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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingdom Gone View Post
    Κάθε ταινία έχει ένα λανθάνων κοινωνικοπολιτικό στοιχείο, αλλά για να μη το πάμε σε τόσο βαθύ επίπεδο, νομίζω πως το όλο ζήτημα περί βιωσιμότητας του δυτικού μοντέλου (οικολογικές καταστροφές, λιώσιμο των παγόβουνων, peak oil και δεν συμμαζεύεται) έχει μπει αρκετά στην ατζέντα διεθνώς , οπότε μια ταινία που ασχολείται με αυτό το ζήτημα ως κεντρικό είναι λίγο δύσκολο να απέχει του κοινωνικοπολιτικού. Πόσο μάλλον που τα Μπάτμαν είχαν κ αυτά άμεση αναφορά στα τεκταινόμενα στην Αμερική (αυτό με τον Τζόκερ στον πόλεμο κατά της τρομοκρατίας και στη χρήση βασανιστηρίων και αυτό με τον Μπέην στο occupy). Ο Νόλαν για μένα δεν είναι ούτε άσχετος ούτε αθώος, νομίζω ότι έχει πολύ συγκεκριμένη άποψη για τα πράματα και την περνάει στις ταινίες.
    Το εντυπωσιακό είναι ότι αν το καλοσκεφτείς, ΔΕΝ ασχολείται με το πρόβλημα της γης, για αυτό και είναι απροσδιόριστος ο λόγος που γίνεται η καταστροφή (κάτι για τις μπάμιες λέει λολ). Ουσιαστικά είναι μια αφορμή για να ξεδιπλώσει το φανμποϊλίκι του για space exploration ο Νόλαν. Κοίταξα μία συνέντευξη και είδα αυτή από τον αδελφό του (που έγραψε το πρώτο σενάριο) και η μόνη αναφορά στο θέμα είναι (αφού παραπονιέται ότι το space race έχει τελειώσει κλπ κλασικά)


    I mean, look, there’s an awful lot of things that still need to be fixed here on Earth, right? You know, problems that never seem to go away. Poverty, disease and a lot of stuff that we turned our attention to that is a good thing. We’re also just kind of sucked in the bullshit. I was talking downstairs, I grew up in Apollo space travel, we were promised jetpacks and fucking teleportation and instead we got fucking Facebook and Instagram. That’s a bummer.
    http://www.slashfilm.com/jonathan-no...r-interview/3/

    ναι ναι, φτώχια εντάξει, αλλά fucking jetpacks

    Όλα αυτά πάλι εμένα δε με ενοχλούνε πολύ επειδή έχω το ίδιο φανμποϊλίκι, αλλά είναι όντως εντυπωσιακά περιορισμένα για κάτι που μας το περνάνε ως Μεγάλη Τέχνη (animae) και ναι, όταν μας προετοιμάζουν για καλύτερη ταινία της χρονιάς και τέτοια, φυσικά και να πάμε (ίσως) και φυσικά να κάνουμε κριτική.

    Στο μεταξύ βρήκα και ένα τύπο σε ένα κόμμεντ κριτικής που το σάι φάι τεχνοκρατικό της υπόθεσης το σφάζει, δεν ξέρω εάν είναι σωστά όσα λέει αλλά εκεί με το drone και το touchpad, ε γέλασα.

    Spoiler
    -the Okra crop failed? Okay wheat is globally important, maybe corn but Okra? what exactly is that?
    -Combines running around in fields doing nothing. Combines are for harvesting, no harvesting going on in these fields why are there combines running around?
    -Tractors running around in the fields with no implements -- WHy?? Someone clearly has no idea even how basic agriculture works.
    -World can't produce enough food for everyone but the population is so small they use robotic agricultural equipment --huh???
    --What exactly caused this global catastrophy? No mention of global warming, corn looks pretty good so there must be enough rain. Still producing fossil fuels so that can't be the problem, crops are getting blights and that requires burning?? Bit vague there. And there are other crops besides wheat, corn and OKRA (hahahaha) that could be grown. Little mixed farming anyone?
    -Somehow an INDIAN drone comes down middle of american continent and farmer boy Cooper connects to it with a laptop he just happened to have in his truck as he was driving his kids to school. So he knows the secure communication frequencies, the encryption codes, the programming language, the control code sequences and I guess can read and write Hindi, and his laptop just happens to have a military grade tranceiver on board that lets it talk to the drone -- ha, ha, ha ha. That's as stupid as 4th of July where Aliens have a USB interface on their computers.
    -Oh and he controls the drone with a touch pad. Nothing like a 2D controller in a 3D world.
    -So they manage to dismantle the drone, load it up in the truck and still get to the parent teacher meeting they were already late for on time. Wow quick work Cooper dudes and dudettes. You really can manipulate time.
    -Oh and does anybody wonder how that truck he is driving which has to already be about 30 or 40 years old look identical 23 years later? Great truck!!
    -So they have "corrected" text books to say the space race was all made up. But, but, but, Cooper is only 37 (as proven when his 12 year old said 23 years later that she was now the same age as when he left). Nasa test pilots are all ex-military, oops they have not had armies for 20 years, okay so somehow he became a test pilot at maybe 25, which is very young, he would have been flying for Nasa sometime in his late 20s, early 30s, WHEN HIS KIDS WERE ALREADY BORN, so we are expected to believe that everyone has forgotten about NASA, his kids don't know he was a test pilot and Nasa lost track of their best test pilot in a couple of years. And they expect to find new planets??? Maybe their arse with a map
    --They need lots of farmers apparently. ALthough Coops spread uses robotic farm machinery and seems to be literally as far as the eye can see but they need more farmers. Not Biologist or Biochemists or Geneticists to produce crops that use less water and resist the blights, but farmers to keep growing crops that die. Jeez this is just so dumb.
    --So did Nasa only have one test pilot who flew? I don't think so. Where were all the other test pilots he would have been working with? Did they lose them all in the last five years?? Wow those guys are careless.
    --Okay and they put all that other hardware out into space how?? With no pilots?? They sent all their other pilots to the other planets. Oops, should have kept one of those guys around with some experience I guess. Wow this is stupid.
    --They finally find Nasa, what a coincidence that the secret base is within driving distance from their farm but no one ever seems to have noticed that there must be thousands of people driving to work there everyday, not to mention the massive amounts of material, fuel, food, power etc that needs to be made.
    --So these cute little spaceships they have can do multiple single stage to orbit trips with no evident fuel supply, but they need a massive three stage Saturn like rocket to get to the space station -- huh???
    --How did secret NASA manage to get all these other people out to 10 planets (was it 12?) build an ass kicking space station, develope cryo-sleep technology, build a bunch of those cute single stage to orbit space ships all without anyone knowing? Oh and gather up a bunch of fertilized embryos, develope artificial wombs to grow them and artificial whatevers to raise the kids. All on the down-low.
    Last edited by phthoggon; 28-11-2014 at 23:43.
    "we are not evacuating this house, we don't believe in you and your wrecking crew"

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