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[The Nerd]

profanos me kseris kairo ....e?

Den se 3erw ka8oloy...
Alla o tropos poy ta grafeis einai pozeristikos (eidika kati sxolia gia deinosayroys typoy AIX)

[ramrunner]

parolo pou den theoro oti milisa pozeristika
a) dose mou to dikeoma na to kano giati doulevo arketa xronia san admin kai programmatistis
pano se afta ta mixanimata
b) to aix mporei na ine dinosavros , alla tha sou zitousa na mou pis tin teleutaia tripa pou thimase
na exei kai akoma kai na mou vris , tha mporouses na tin kanis exploit?
c) ta rs/6000 ine mixanimata me APisteuto hardware , mias kai sti doulia mou doulevoume me afta san high end servers (me poly megala loads) apo to 95-96 ... vale ena pc na kani to idio
d) oti ipa to aitiologisa . dld sou ipa giati den theoro kalo to linux gia kapion pou psaxnetai..
an diafonis be my guest na milisoume sovara kai oxi tou tipou "to linux ine kalo epidi bootari pio grigora"
e)eilikrina pistevis oti exo lathos se afto pou leo , oti den ine aparetito na vali olos o kosmos unix?
pera apo to open source epixirima , to opio to theoro simandiko mono otan DIAVAZEIS ontos to source sou , o ipolipos kosmos to xriazetai? dld exo filous pou vazoun linux me kde kai winex kai oti alli malakia thes , gia na peksoun to warcraft3 as poume.. afto ine ilithio.
fandasou poso tha douleves esy kapion pou tha ithele na vali sendmail + apache pano se win98.
dld .. kai ta windows exoun to skopo tous.
to unix ine gia doulia . kai mono gia afto.
akoma kai ego an ithela pote na pekso pexnidia , tha evaza win. eleos.
kali fasi na iparxi ligo support , alla edo kinoumaste sto na ginei aftoskopos.

afta eixa na sou po .. elpizo na deis piso apo to "elitistiko" mou yfos.

[The Nerd]

parolo pou den theoro oti milisa pozeristika
a) dose mou to dikeoma na to kano giati doulevo arketa xronia san admin kai programmatistis
pano se afta ta mixanimata
b) to aix mporei na ine dinosavros , alla tha sou zitousa na mou pis tin teleutaia tripa pou thimase
na exei kai akoma kai na mou vris , tha mporouses na tin kanis exploit?
c) ta rs/6000 ine mixanimata me APisteuto hardware , mias kai sti doulia mou doulevoume me afta san high end servers (me poly megala loads) apo to 95-96 ... vale ena pc na kani to idio
d) oti ipa to aitiologisa . dld sou ipa giati den theoro kalo to linux gia kapion pou psaxnetai..
an diafonis be my guest na milisoume sovara kai oxi tou tipou "to linux ine kalo epidi bootari pio grigora"
e)eilikrina pistevis oti exo lathos se afto pou leo , oti den ine aparetito na vali olos o kosmos unix?
pera apo to open source epixirima , to opio to theoro simandiko mono otan DIAVAZEIS ontos to source sou , o ipolipos kosmos to xriazetai? dld exo filous pou vazoun linux me kde kai winex kai oti alli malakia thes , gia na peksoun to warcraft3 as poume.. afto ine ilithio.
fandasou poso tha douleves esy kapion pou tha ithele na vali sendmail + apache pano se win98.
dld .. kai ta windows exoun to skopo tous.
to unix ine gia doulia . kai mono gia afto.
akoma kai ego an ithela pote na pekso pexnidia , tha evaza win. eleos.
kali fasi na iparxi ligo support , alla edo kinoumaste sto na ginei aftoskopos.

afta eixa na sou po .. elpizo na deis piso apo to "elitistiko" mou yfos.

a) Den eisai o monos edw mesa ...
b) Ola einai 8ema admin. Kanena OS den einai secure ektos an den pesei polys kopos (kai fysika 3ereis oti apolyto security den yparxei). To pote vghke exploit gia AIX teleytaia fora (kai to severity aytoy) den 3erw giati den asxoloymai me computer security.
c) Den vazw ena PC, vazw ena cluster kai eimai kirile. An paizei mh-x86 periorismos, solaris logw support symvolaioy.
d) Gine ligo pio analytikos giati kapoios DEN prepei na valei linux an einai na asxolh8ei me *nix?
3) Symfwnw me oti les alla oxi me ton tropo soy

[ramrunner]

tha diafoniso trela sta 2-3 .
a) den OLA thema admin . dld esy ti protimas ? ena sistima pou vgenoun vulns me sixnotita 1 server / month? kai an ekini ti stigmi koimase kai o allos kanei full discolosure sto bugtraq to proi kanena malakismeno script kiddie tha sou exi vali rootikit .. ti ftes?
giafto ine kalo to openbsd . check it out.
b) oso gia to clusteroma epidi kai ego exo cluster sou leo :
kapies fores DEN thes cluster , px . sto fysiko trexoume parallel algorithms ta opia theloun
parallel OXI cluster. etsi exoume ena 8way hp.
(mporis na to kanis kai me clustering alla me tromero performance loss)
episis to solaris gamai genikos (fandasou exo trexo to cluster me sun grid engine)
oso giati den mou aresei to x86 o vasikos logos ine oti eno to protipo ypostirizei execute only
memmory pages , i intel den to evale pote. tora to giati .. go figure.
(se andithesi me sovares cpu opos oi power kai oi sparc64)

episis .. giati den theoro kalo to linux.
o kodikas tou DEN ine kalogrammenos (skepsou oti enas developer tou netbsd vrike to 99 mia axristi sleep() sto init.c tou linux to opio to ekane na kathisteri to boot gia 5 sec . fandasou toso opensource kai den to eixe dei kanis)
kai giati o kodikas tou DEN pernai auditing procedure . pali des to openbsd to opio exi ena team 20 programmatiston pou kanoun MONO audit ton kodika .
kai giati thisiazontas tin piotita gia to compatibility kai tin taxitita vgenoun polles fores ektos
POSIX compatibility.
kai kataligontas (epitelous) theoro to GNU license perioristiko gia ton developer... isos ligo
koummounistiko ..dld ok . eleutheria ypo periorismous. se andithesi me to BSD license to opio
mporei na ine pio weak alla ine i apoliti eleutheria.
kai nai. eki fenete i magia ton programmatiston dld. ok ekana kati gamato , den me pirazei na to pari kai i m$ na to vali sto source tis , giati voithisa sto na exoun OLOI kaliteri piotita sto leitourgiko tous.
kai ligo edo afta ta posts giati malakizomai kai ego pou ipostirizo to "shut up and code"
an theli kapios na tou mini kati apo ola afta pou ipame ine :
www.openbsd.org
www.opensource.org

[Ingolemo]

To thema einai oti egw toulaxiston (opws mallon kai oi perissoteroi) exw linux logw anagkhs (ergasies klp) opote den me noiazoun sxedon katholou ta bsd, an einai kallitera apo unix kai ola auta.

Kai gia th douleia pou thelw egw ta windows einai kallitera apo linux/bsd, kyriws logo uposthrikshs kai synhtheias.

Ennoeite oti an pote esteina kana server den tha to ekana sta windows...

[The Nerd]

tha diafoniso trela sta 2-3 .
a) den OLA thema admin . dld esy ti protimas ? ena sistima pou vgenoun vulns me sixnotita 1 server / month? kai an ekini ti stigmi koimase kai o allos kanei full discolosure sto bugtraq to proi kanena malakismeno script kiddie tha sou exi vali rootikit .. ti ftes?
giafto ine kalo to openbsd . check it out.
b) oso gia to clusteroma epidi kai ego exo cluster sou leo :
kapies fores DEN thes cluster , px . sto fysiko trexoume parallel algorithms ta opia theloun
parallel OXI cluster. etsi exoume ena 8way hp.
(mporis na to kanis kai me clustering alla me tromero performance loss)
episis to solaris gamai genikos (fandasou exo trexo to cluster me sun grid engine)
oso giati den mou aresei to x86 o vasikos logos ine oti eno to protipo ypostirizei execute only
memmory pages , i intel den to evale pote. tora to giati .. go figure.
(se andithesi me sovares cpu opos oi power kai oi sparc64)

episis .. giati den theoro kalo to linux.
o kodikas tou DEN ine kalogrammenos (skepsou oti enas developer tou netbsd vrike to 99 mia axristi sleep() sto init.c tou linux to opio to ekane na kathisteri to boot gia 5 sec . fandasou toso opensource kai den to eixe dei kanis)
kai giati o kodikas tou DEN pernai auditing procedure . pali des to openbsd to opio exi ena team 20 programmatiston pou kanoun MONO audit ton kodika .
kai giati thisiazontas tin piotita gia to compatibility kai tin taxitita vgenoun polles fores ektos
POSIX compatibility.
kai kataligontas (epitelous) theoro to GNU license perioristiko gia ton developer... isos ligo
koummounistiko ..dld ok . eleutheria ypo periorismous. se andithesi me to BSD license to opio
mporei na ine pio weak alla ine i apoliti eleutheria.
kai nai. eki fenete i magia ton programmatiston dld. ok ekana kati gamato , den me pirazei na to pari kai i m$ na to vali sto source tis , giati voithisa sto na exoun OLOI kaliteri piotita sto leitourgiko tous.
kai ligo edo afta ta posts giati malakizomai kai ego pou ipostirizo to "shut up and code"
an theli kapios na tou mini kati apo ola afta pou ipame ine :
www.openbsd.org
www.opensource.org

Protimw swsto incident response plan kai na skasei forensics team (kleftes na ginoyne?) kanonika den 8a eprepe na se anyshxei to script kiddie alla kapoios parapanw sthn trofikh alysida twn hacker (mhn grapsei kaneis cracker kai loipes politically correct malakies)
Epishs to openBSD poy toso fanatika yposthrizeis den einai kai toso trela secure, an den apatomai prwta eixe vre8ei h ptrace se linux kai meta sta *BSD (kai fysika patsaristhke).

Oso gia linux, dexomai a priori, oti o kwdikas toy se merika shmeia isws einai skata, alloy gamaei ktl. Pantoy etsi einai (to synexes source tree forking einai kai kalo kai kako analoga an ayto poy 8es yposthrizete apo vanilla )

Peri clustering, den eipa oti einai monodromos, alla px giati h google diale3e linux cluster kai oxi merika gaidoyrakia...

POSIX oloi to gamane kata voylhsh, den einai mono sto linuxi ayto

GPL vs BSD einai gia apeiro flame kai gnwsto geek subject kai proswpika pisteyw oti h pleiopshfia twn paidiwn poy diavazoyn to forum den toys noiazei h den 3eroyn ti einai opote as mhn to e3antlhsoyme.

Allos enas unixas sthn parea mas loipon