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    και θα ξαναρωτήσω, πόσοι ξέρουν το όνομα γουόρχολ πίσω από αυτά τα μαζικά προϊόντα κουλτούρας;
    Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam; spam bacon sausage and spam; spam egg spam spam bacon and spam; spam sausage spam spam bacon spam tomato and spam;

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    Αυτή είναι μια πολύ χαζή ερώτηση σε μια πολύ χαζή κουβέντα, όταν α) μπορώ να σε ρωτήσω το ίδιο ακριβώς για τον Dylan και το Like a Rolling Stone β) δεν έχει καμία σημασία για το πόσο σημαντικός είναι ο καλλιτέχνης απο πίσω και ΕΙΔΙΚΑ στην περίπτωση του warhol αυτό ακριβώς ήταν το όλο ζητούμενο γ) δεν υπάρχει κανένα σοβαρό πλαίσιο σύγκρισης μεταξύ dylan και γαμημένου warhol, pollock κλπ, ευθύς εξαρχής.

    Γιατί δε λες απλά «ω πόσο μαρέσει ο dylan, είναι ο αγαπημένος μου αμερικανός, είμαι ένα χαρούμενο ξανθό μικρό κοριτσάκι όταν τον ακούω!», να επιστρέψει και το thread στον πάνκη του.

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    ο Ντυλαν ειναι μεγαλος γιατι ενηλικιωσε το ροκεντρολ, του φυτρωσε τριχιες σταρχιδια του και του ταισε μυαλο...απλα πραματα

    επισης ο Warhol ηταν ΠΑΟΚτσης

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    Για τον Elvis θα σχολιασει κανεις?
    Let The Freak Flag Fly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reject View Post
    Το καλύτερο heavy metal που γράφτηκε ποτέ.



    ίσως όχι το καλύτερο, αλλά
    Rock or Nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by VidnaObmana View Post
    Περι Elvis κατα ποσο ισχυει οτι κατακλεψε/πατησε πανω σε μαυρους μουσικους?
    country και blues ακουγε...country και blues επαιζε
    το ''κατακλεψε'' ειναι λιγο αστειο ε?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00i00 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by VidnaObmana View Post
    Περι Elvis κατα ποσο ισχυει οτι κατακλεψε/πατησε πανω σε μαυρους μουσικους?
    country και blues ακουγε...country και blues επαιζε
    το ''κατακλεψε'' ειναι λιγο αστειο ε?
    Δεν γνωριζω καθολου γι'αυτο ρωταω, αναφερομαι σε αυτου του ειδους τις συζητησεις

    Elvis racism — it’s a concept based on the belief by some that Presley somehow “stole” a genre of black music in the 1950s and unfairly profited from it. That belief still rankles some critics fifty years later.

    Of course, Presley supporters contend that his genius came in fusing a combination of many musical forms, of which rhythm and blues was just one, to help popularize rock ’n’ roll in the 1950s. Also included were gospel, country, and pop sounds.

    Some black artists in the R&B field, though, thought Presley had taken too much from their acts. Little Richard, for instance, was once quoted as saying, “Elvis was paid $25,000 for doing three songs in a movie and I only got $5,000, and if it wasn’t for me, Elvis would starve.” And, after hearing Presley’s version of the song “Trouble,” blues legend Muddy Waters thought it sounded an awful lot like his recording of “Hootchie Coochie Man.” “I better watch out,” he concluded. “I believe whitey’s pickin’ up on things that I’m doin’.”

    In her 2002 article in The Guardian, Helen Kolawole claimed, “Black music never stays underground. White people always seek it out, dilute it and eventually claim it as their own … This is fine, but be honest about it.” But Elvis Presley, in his public statements at least, consistently was “honest” about the debt his style of singing owed to black rhythm and blues.
    Let The Freak Flag Fly!

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    κοιτα...οι μαυροι εχουν καθε δικιο να αισθανοταν τοτε αδικημενοι
    δεν ειναι και λιγο πραμα να βλεπεις τους λευκους καραβλαχους να γνωριζουν την δοξα παιζοντας την μουσικη τους
    παρολαυτα το παραπονο του Muddy Waters το βρισκω λιγο ακυρο γιατι πιστευω οτι δεν μπορεις να κλεψεις απο blues ασμα

    η πκρια τους βεβαια εχει και μια βαση στο οτι ολοι αυτοι ηταν αυτο που λεμε ''λευκα σκουπιδια'' (ειρωνια...ο Ελβις εχει γυφτικο αιμα)
    ο ρατσισμος του Ελβις υπηρχε αλλα υπηρχε και σεβασμος, ενα παραξενο πραμα

    εχει ενδιαφερων παντως να δουμε και πως οι μαυροι γκουρουδες αντιμετωπισαν τους αγγλους οι οποιοι τους ειχαν θεους
    βλεπε την πρωτη επισκεψις των Stones στην αμερικη για να ηχογραφησουν

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    Πώς τους αντιμετωπισαν? Με προχειρο google δεν βρηκα κατι ...

    Παρεπιπτοντως πρωτη φορα που ακουσα για αυτο το θεμα ηταν απο αυτο το ασμα

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    I said, Elvis Presley ain't got no soul (huh)
    Chuck Berry is rock and roll (damn right)
    You may dig on the Rolling Stones
    But they ain't come up with that style on they own (uh-uh)
    Elvis Presley ain't got no SOULLLL (hell naw)
    Little Richard is rock and roll (damn right)
    You may dig on the Rolling Stones
    But they ain't come up with that shit on they own (nah-ah)

    Guess that's just the way shit goes
    You steal my clothes and try to say they yo's (yes they do)
    Cause it's a show filled with pimps and hoes
    Tryin to take everything that you made or control (there they go)
    Elvis Presley ain't got no SOULLLL
    Bo Diddley is rock and roll (damn right)
    You may dig on the Rolling Stones
    But they ain't the first place the credit belongs

    ...


    (huh) I ain't tryin to diss
    but I don't be tryin to fuck with Limp Bizkit
    "The fuck is on your mind?"
    When I get down in my zone
    I be rockin Bad Brains and Fishbone
    I ain't tryin to slow your groove
    But that ain't the way I'm tryin to move
    I don't turn on Korn to get it on;
    I be playin Jimi Hendrix 'til the dawn
    That's my word is bond
    Sittin up on my front lawn
    Got the volume turned to ten
    Playin Albert King the best again (black)
    When the mornin in the cooker
    Got to turn on some John Lee Hooker
    When I want some rock and roll
    Go to Otis Redding to get some soul

    Say, James Brown got plenty of soul
    James Brown like to rock and roll
    He can do all the shit fo' sho'
    that Elvis Presley could never know (black people)
    Said, Kenny G ain't got no SOULLLL
    John Coltrane is rock and roll (uh-huh)
    You may dig on the Rolling Stones
    but they could never ever rock like Nina Simone
    Let The Freak Flag Fly!

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    υπαρχει παλαιο δημοσιευμα-αφιερωμα στο ποπ+ροκ

    δε θυμαμαι αν ηταν ο Muddy Waters η ο Dixon o Willy που τους κουβαλουσε τα μπαγκαζια
    φαντασου το σοκ τους ε?

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    "When Chess Records was founded (as Aristocrat in 1947), the company did not have a recording studio, and over the following decade it recorded most of its artists at Universal Recording Studio (at various locales in Chicago). In 1954, Chess moved one block north from its location on Chicago’s 49th Street to 48th and Cottage Grove, and there built its first rehearsal studio, but its poor quality forced the company to continue to rely on Universal for most of its recording production. Finally, the company established a first-rate in-house studio – called Chess Studios – in1957, when it relocated to 2120 S. Michigan Avenue, and it rented the second floor to Sheldon Recording Studios, operated as a Chess subsidiary by engineer Jack Wiener. The studio featured a set of matched echo chambers.

    Under Wiener, Sheldon took in considerable outside work, recording sessions for Atlantic and Mercury, for instance. In 1958, Chess took over the studio directly and hired Malcolm Chisholm, who had been the engineer for a considerable number of recordings for Chess when the company was recording at Universal, as sound engineer. When he left, he was replaced in 1960 by Ron Malo, who stayed with the studio until its demise in 1975. Malo upgraded the studio and ran the sound into dual echo chambers in the basement. Almost all the Chess artists were recorded with echo, sometimes to excess. Among the legendary blues and rock ’n’ roll artists recorded in this studio were Muddy Waters, Sonny Boy Williamson II, Howlin’ Wolf, Chuck Berry and Bo Diddley. The company also built an impressive jazz series, and recorded such artists as the Ramsey Lewis Trio, Ahmad Jamal and Sonny Stitt.

    Malo supervised the engineering at recording sessions for most of the company’s artists, which by the 1960s meant primarily soul artists: Etta James, the Dells and Billy Stewart, for example. Malo was also the engineer for many sessions with outside artists. In June 1964, for example, the Rolling Stones, seeking to emulate the sound of their legendary blues heroes, came to Chicago to record at the Chess studio; the studio produced half of the tracks on their LP, 12X5, one of the songs on which was titled in tribute ‘2120 South Michigan Avenue.’ The Rolling Stones subsequently recorded about 20 more tracks at Chess during 1964-65, and in 1965 the Yardbirds record ‘I’m a Man’ there. By 1965, the studio had changed its name to Ter-Mar Recording Studio.

    In September 1966, Chess moved all its operations around the corner to 320 E. 21st Street, relocated the Ter-Mar studio there and added a small rehearsal studio. After Leonard Chess died in late 1969, the company went into decline. Malcolm Chisholm rejoined the operation in 1970, but, within two years, the Chess studio was almost inoperative. As a result of its failure to introduce new equipment and to keep up with new trends, the studio had developed a second-rate reputation. When Chess closed its doors in 1975, the studio was dismantled and its equipment sold.

    In 1990, the building at 2120 S. Michigan Avenue was dedicated as a Chicago landmark, and hailed as the studio that recorded Chuck Berry, Muddy Waters and other legendary artists. A few years later, the widow of Willie Dixon, Marie Dixon, purchased the building and began a restoration project. In 1997, the building was reopened as a dual-purpose complex: an educational foundation for black artists and a museum of Chess Records and its famous studio."
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    Quote Originally Posted by rat_poison View Post
    και θα ξαναρωτήσω, πόσοι ξέρουν το όνομα γουόρχολ πίσω από αυτά τα μαζικά προϊόντα κουλτούρας;
    o γουορχολ ενας μαλακας και μισος ηταν.καμια επαφη με τεχνη.σιγα την τεχνη.πολυ σημαντικοτερος του ο ντυλαν.αλλά εχει κάτι πόλλοκ και ροθκο κάτι τζον κειτζ και γκερσουιν και μαιλς ντειβις και κολτρειν, κάτι ελλιοτ, παουντ, εμιλυ ντικινσον,χεμινγουει και ουιτμαν, μπουκοφσκι,σταινμπεκ και μαρκ τουειν, φωκνερ και χενρι μιλλερ και σαλιντζερ, γκινσμπερκ και κορσο και κερουακ και μπαροουζ και χιρσμαν τους οποιους ευτυχως η δυστυχως ο ντυλαν δεν τους φτανει.δεν φτανει καν τα ποιηματα του μορισον...ο οποιος ηταν ποιητης σε αντιθεση με τον ντυλαν που δεν ηταν...

    ο ντυλαν ηταν καιροσκοπος(το ανεφερε καποιος γιαυτο το λεω).το καταλαβαινει κανεις βλεποντας το no direction home, αλλα την ευκολια να κανει τραγουδια κειμενα οπως το Like a rolling stone, visions o johanna, desolation row κλπ δεν την ειχε κανενας...

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    Quote Originally Posted by landy View Post
    δεν φτανει καν τα ποιηματα του μορισον...ο οποιος ηταν ποιητης σε αντιθεση με τον ντυλαν που δεν ηταν...
    εσυ μα το θεο θα φας πολυ ξυλο

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    μιλάω για τα ποιήματα του μορισον ρε μαλακα...οχι για τους στιχους των ντορς(οι οποιοι περιειχαν και ψηγματα ποιησης.το δι εντ ας πουμε είναι ολόκληρη επιστροφη στις ρίζες..μεγαλη κουβεντα).και πιστεψε με...ειχε γραψει ποιηματα ο μορισον.

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    δε τα εχω διαβασει...
    ενταξει ολιγον τι προκατιλλημενος (πως γραφεται...) με τον καταγαμημενο μυθο γυρω του

    τεσπα το θεμα μας ειναι οτι ο Ντυλαν ενηλικιωσε το ροκεντρολ που μεχρι τοτες ελεγε πιπιτσα=μουνι με ποδια, και γενικα ξεκινισε το ολο τριπ
    ο Τζιμ ο Μορρισον τι ηταν...ενας φαντασμενος proto-Ρουβας...το Δι Εντ εχει απομυθοποιηθει απο τον ιδιο τον Μαντζαρεκ...αυτα ειναι γνωστα
    απατεωνισκςος ηταν ο Μορρισονς αυτα ειναι γνωστα

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