Telika den einai thema texnikis...

Fonitika...ti kai an prospatheis na ekselixtheis...na veltioneis texniki kai loipa. Den exei nohma.
The prepei na eisai prikismenos apo tin fisi. Einai afto pou leme peri antoxis kai diarkeias.
As poume o Halford kapote gamouse kai ederne (mallon to antitheto sinevene alla katalavenete ti thelo na po) alla tora to exei xasei kai to exei girisei se simeia akomi kai se brutalies.
O Tate tora pia exei allaksei tis grammes pollon komation gia na min pigainei poli psila (den ksero an mporei akomi i oxi).
ALLA proxthes akousa to Mistreated apo ton Glenn Hughes sto Tokyo. Den exo akousei stin zoh mou kaliteri diaskevi... Se ilikia 64 soularei tin foni tou apistefta kai pianei kati grezia trela kai kati notes pou nomizo i ipsiloteri pou epiase itan tria imitonia nomizo kato apo tin tsirida tis gomenas sto Phantom of the Opera.

Kai les "ti kanei o tipos" kai se stelnei spiti sou...

Pistevete oti einai thema fisis prota to thema ton fonitikon kai meta thema texnikis i theoreite pos an eksaskeis tin texniki poli kalitera apo tous "proikismenous" mporei se kapia stigmi na tous ftaseis?
I parapano erotisi mporei na isxisei kai se alla organa oxi mono afto tis fonis.

einai 8ema synais8hmatwn kai ikanothtas ekfrashs autwn

Me mia prwth skepsh, 8a elega pws ena metrio talento sth fwnh me pollh e3askhsh kai epimonh mporei na kataferei arketa. Apo thn allh omws, an kapoios einai gennhmenos gia na tragouda exei megalo pleonekthma. Auto, wstoso, xwris thn apaitoumenh e3askhsh kai swsth texniki de mporei na e3elix8ei sto ba8mo pou 8a htan dunato.

Ta parapanw xwris thn upar3h sunais8hmatwn kai swsths ekfrashs autwn (vl. StationEleven) den lene apolutws tpt.

well breathing control - elaxistoi den mporoun na tragoudhsoun nomizw. anyhow ... tha epanelpthw...

I think tha simfoniso me Coroner...

milame panda gia clear vox etsi????

Esy omorfe Ethir eisai gennhmenos vocalist 'h oxi? .. den mas eipes. :D

xreiazete kai to xarisma gia na mporeis na tragoudiseis gamata alla skepsou kai tin periptosi tis kavlomenis manas me tin opera pou paei to koritsaki tis apo mikro stin daskala fonitikis kai to xeskizei stin praktiki kathe mera. Tespa exo ena filo pou pigene 1 xrono peripou mathimata fonitikis kai eixe anevei 4-5 notes. pistevo oti ekane kali proodo. ara prepei na matheis kai na xrisimopoieis ti foni sou.

Ethir, stamathses ta ma8hmata?






























Xwris plaka, an den exeis fwnh kai fusika to legomeno feeling, ti 8a sou kanoun ta ma8hmata? Ta talenta omws einai gia na kalliergountai.

Emfuth einai h xroia ths fwnhs. Einai dunato na mathei kapoios na tragoudaei swsta xwris auto na shmainei oti exei wraia fwnh. Twra se sxesh me thn antoxh kai to na ftanei kapoios tis psiles notes akomh kai se megalh hlikia, exei na kanei me polla pragmata, opws th swsth diatrofh, thn gumnastikh, thn eksaskhsh twn xordwn kai poso prosexei tis xordes tou.

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milame panda gia clear vox etsi????

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E nai alla mporeis na thikseis to thema kai gia organa...Genika gia tin mousiki.

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Esy omorfe Ethir eisai gennhmenos vocalist 'h oxi? .. den mas eipes. :D

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Ta aftonohta paraleipontai... :P

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Ethir, stamathses ta ma8hmata?

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Oxi...giati?
Malista apo ton epomeno mina tha kano kai me dio daskalous. Mia sto odeio kai me ton Aksioti.

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milame panda gia clear vox etsi????

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E nai alla mporeis na thikseis to thema kai gia organa...Genika gia tin mousiki.

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Den nomizw oti einai to idio h fwnh me ta organa. Giati h fwnh afora apokleistika stis xordes sou, ton ogko sou klp klp. Profanws genniesai me proikismenes fwnitikes xordes, kai tis ekseliseis. Den genniesai omws me tin dynatothta sta daxtyla na paizeis ypergamato piano 'h bioli. Afto to mathaineis kai to ekseliseis. Gnwmh mou.. :roll:

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milame panda gia clear vox etsi????

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E nai alla mporeis na thikseis to thema kai gia organa...Genika gia tin mousiki.

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Den nomizw oti einai to idio h fwnh me ta organa. Giati h fwnh afora apokleistika stis xordes sou, ton ogko sou klp klp. Profanws genniesai me proikismenes fwnitikes xordes, kai tis ekseliseis. Den genniesai omws me tin dynatothta sta daxtyla na paizeis ypergamato piano 'h bioli. Afto to mathaineis kai to ekseliseis. Gnwmh mou.. :roll:[/quote:38xnoe8a]

egw den to upostirizw afto pou les...kai sta organa thelei talendo sunaisthima ktll....opws kapoies lekseis boreis na tis tragousiseis stegna i pathiasmena kai na vgaleis allo sunesthima, etsi kai sta organa uparxei diafora....ara uparxei diafora ston proikismeno organopaixti kai ston min proikismeno...(an vevea(sic) ifistatai(sic) ennoia proikismenos i mi proikismenos)

ola kala - alla THES KAI AKSENT na mhn exeis :P gelame syxna me pollous pop kai mh tragoudiarhdes pou tragoudane sta egglezika..... apo ton aksiwth malaka prosekse mhn kollhseis syndromo halford :P

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egw den to upostirizw afto pou les...kai sta organa thelei talendo sunaisthima ktll....opws kapoies lekseis boreis na tis tragousiseis stegna i pathiasmena kai na vgaleis allo sunesthima, etsi kai sta organa uparxei diafora....ara uparxei diafora ston proikismeno organopaixti kai ston min proikismeno...(an vevea(sic) ifistatai(sic) ennoia proikismenos i mi proikismenos)

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Allo h emfyth dynatothta pou mporei na exei kapoios na antilambanetai grigorotera apo kapoion allon ta stoixeia pou xreiazetai gia na paiksei ena organo. Einai san na xtypas prokes me ena sfyri. Den genniesai me prokokarfwtiko talento, sto deixnoun, to matheneis, kai an sou aresei to kaneis polles fores kai ginesai megistos sto karfwma. Gi'afto eipa oti allo to organo kai allo h fwnh.
Kai fysika, alloi exoun talento stin synthesh kai alloi oxi, ekei den xwraei didaskalia. Alla afto einai allo thema. Sto organo den yparxei kati na se periorizei (opws symbainei me thn fwnh). Oso to goustareis kai to proxwras, anevaineis...

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egw den to upostirizw afto pou les...kai sta organa thelei talendo sunaisthima ktll....opws kapoies lekseis boreis na tis tragousiseis stegna i pathiasmena kai na vgaleis allo sunesthima, etsi kai sta organa uparxei diafora....ara uparxei diafora ston proikismeno organopaixti kai ston min proikismeno...(an vevea(sic) ifistatai(sic) ennoia proikismenos i mi proikismenos)

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Allo h emfyth dynatothta pou mporei na exei kapoios na antilambanetai grigorotera apo kapoion allon ta stoixeia pou xreiazetai gia na paiksei ena organo. Einai san na xtypas prokes me ena sfyri. Den genniesai me prokokarfwtiko talento, sto deixnoun, to matheneis, kai an sou aresei to kaneis polles fores kai ginesai megistos sto karfwma. Gi'afto eipa oti allo to organo kai allo h fwnh.
Kai fysika, alloi exoun talento stin synthesh kai alloi oxi, ekei den xwraei didaskalia. Alla afto einai allo thema. Sto organo den yparxei kati na se periorizei (opws symbainei me thn fwnh). Oso to goustareis kai to proxwras, anevaineis...[/quote:lw3nfnwr]

ma kai sti fwni afto sumvainei....vlepeis fame story pane ola ta kagouria kai otan vgainoun exoun ena arketa anevasmeno epipedo fwnis....kai egw apo ta tsigara epiana si me to zori kai ekana 2-3 askisoules kai twra vgazw mexri to sol.....episis pistevwp ws ama asxolithw tha boresw na ftasw upsos....ola einai kathara thema eksaskisis...at least imo

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ma kai sti fwni afto sumvainei....vlepeis fame story pane ola ta kagouria kai otan vgainoun exoun ena arketa anevasmeno epipedo fwnis....kai egw apo ta tsigara epiana si me to zori kai ekana 2-3 askisoules kai twra vgazw mexri to sol.....episis pistevwp ws ama asxolithw tha boresw na ftasw upsos....ola einai kathara thema eksaskisis...at least imo

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Nai, alla oso kai na eksa-skisteis, den proketai na gineis san ton Fragkoulh pou na xtypas ta prwktomouskoula sou... :D

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ma kai sti fwni afto sumvainei....vlepeis fame story pane ola ta kagouria kai otan vgainoun exoun ena arketa anevasmeno epipedo fwnis....kai egw apo ta tsigara epiana si me to zori kai ekana 2-3 askisoules kai twra vgazw mexri to sol.....episis pistevwp ws ama asxolithw tha boresw na ftasw upsos....ola einai kathara thema eksaskisis...at least imo

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Nai, alla oso kai na eksa-skisteis, den proketai na gineis san ton Fragkoulh pou na xtypas ta prwktomouskoula sou... :D[/quote:3fksulgw]

me tin idia logiki kai sto bass oso na xtipiesai den tha gineis san ton jaco pastorius akoma kai an valeis upervionika daxtula.

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me tin idia logiki kai sto bass oso na xtipiesai den tha gineis san ton jaco pastorius akoma kai an valeis upervionika daxtula.

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Oxi, sto bass an gamitheis yperbolika, tha gineis Pastorius. (kapoia
stigmh)
Kai sto piano ama gamitheis tha gineis Sgouros, kai sto violi tha gineis Anne-Sophie Mutter, kai stin kithara tha gineis necropethamenos (ligo dyskolo afto, alla efikto).

[quote=Eric Theodore Cartman]

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me tin idia logiki kai sto bass oso na xtipiesai den tha gineis san ton jaco pastorius akoma kai an valeis upervionika daxtula.

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Oxi, sto bass an gamitheis yperbolika, tha gineis Pastorius. (kapoia
stigmh)
Kai sto piano ama gamitheis tha gineis Sgouros, kai sto violi tha gineis Anne-Sophie Mutter, kai stin kithara tha gineis necropethamenos (ligo dyskolo afto, alla efikto).[/quote:gfp4isio]

nai an eksaskise 25 wres to 24wro isws gineis pastorius se kamia 1000 xronia....






























ok eimai upervlikos ...to kserw...

[quote=Eric Theodore Cartman]

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me tin idia logiki kai sto bass oso na xtipiesai den tha gineis san ton jaco pastorius akoma kai an valeis upervionika daxtula.

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Oxi, sto bass an gamitheis yperbolika, tha gineis Pastorius. (kapoia
stigmh)
Kai sto piano ama gamitheis tha gineis Sgouros, kai sto violi tha gineis Anne-Sophie Mutter[/quote:w8hp9alu]Παπάρια. Πιστεύεις ότι δεν υπάρχουν πολλοί μπασίστες που έχουν μελετήσει περισσότερο από τον Pastorius(αλλά είναι σαφέστατα υποδεέστεροι);

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Den nomizw oti einai to idio h fwnh me ta organa. Giati h fwnh afora apokleistika stis xordes sou, ton ogko sou klp klp. Profanws genniesai me proikismenes fwnitikes xordes, kai tis ekseliseis. Den genniesai omws me tin dynatothta sta daxtyla na paizeis ypergamato piano 'h bioli. Afto to mathaineis kai to ekseliseis. Gnwmh mou.. :roll:

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Den tha simfoniso mazi sou. Gia ton logo oti o allos mporei na genithei me kati daxtilares kai na exei kati anoigmata pou na pianei 9 tasta pou leei o logos.
Episis exo gnorisei atomo pou me tin mia kourdize kithara me tin mia xoris na sigrinei me tis alles gia na dei ton ixo. Kai tin kourdize teleia mono me to afti. Entaksei einai kai i mousiki antilipsi pou kata tin gnomi mou prota erxete os talento apo tin fisi kai meta ekselisete me tin eksaskisi.

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apo ton aksiwth malaka prosekse mhn kollhseis syndromo halford :P

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Exei gamati texniki...As paro merika stoixeia apo tin texniki tou kai na kano kai ligo tous fthogous kai tha eimai mia xaroula. Tha voithisei mia xaroula o Vasilis.

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Nai, alla oso kai na eksa-skisteis, den proketai na gineis san ton Fragkoulh pou na xtypas ta prwktomouskoula sou... :D

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Den ksero ti ksereis apo fonitiki...alla ston xoro ton tenoron o Fragoulis theoreite oligon gia ton poutso (kai kiriolektika kathos einai megali lougra...nomizete oti anevike me to spathi tou i to koli tou?).
Trava paradeigmata einai periptosei pou rixnei kourdisma se komatia (paroti tenoros!!!) kai episis an to dei kaneis se ipsiles notes petagontai oi fleves ston laimo tou (simadi oti trava polla zoria...kai se klasiki topothetisi den prepei na simvainei afto). Anyway...

xm xroia prepei na xeis- ti na tin kaneis th fwnh - an akougesai generic ?
bebaiws - o dickie px an ton akouseis XERO kai sto tears of the dragon .
i poutsa me th bourtsa. apla pisteuw oti me mia kalh fwnh - kai eksaskhsh mporeis na gineis palikari...

zestasia prepei na xeis.... px - lakis sto lady of rain - shkwnei trixes. o atimos.

elleipsh aksan. oxi alla gouixtory apo germanous, kai PAAAAouER apo ellhnes :P PREPEI basika na kses agglika kiola - it helps godamnit.

ehm kai basika TRAGOUDIA E ??? an tragoudas pipes... kai fwnh na xeis :P

oh basika 2 things pou den prepei na xeis ki exoun dysthxws polloi
KALAMI gia kabala kai na pisteueis se self publicity oi kollakies :P

panta na skeftesai oti eisai malakas kai metrios kai mporeis kai kalytera.
alliws ginesai malakas... exw trana paradegmata autou...

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Den nomizw oti einai to idio h fwnh me ta organa. Giati h fwnh afora apokleistika stis xordes sou, ton ogko sou klp klp. Profanws genniesai me proikismenes fwnitikes xordes, kai tis ekseliseis. Den genniesai omws me tin dynatothta sta daxtyla na paizeis ypergamato piano 'h bioli. Afto to mathaineis kai to ekseliseis. Gnwmh mou.. :roll:

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Den tha simfoniso mazi sou. Gia ton logo oti o allos mporei na genithei me kati daxtilares kai na exei kati anoigmata pou na pianei 9 tasta pou leei o logos.
Episis exo gnorisei atomo pou me tin mia kourdize kithara me tin mia xoris na sigrinei me tis alles gia na dei ton ixo. Kai tin kourdize teleia mono me to afti. Entaksei einai kai i mousiki antilipsi pou kata tin gnomi mou prota erxete os talento apo tin fisi kai meta ekselisete me tin eksaskisi.


siga tavga....afto to kanoun oloi pou asxolounde sovara....

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Den nomizw oti einai to idio h fwnh me ta organa. Giati h fwnh afora apokleistika stis xordes sou, ton ogko sou klp klp. Profanws genniesai me proikismenes fwnitikes xordes, kai tis ekseliseis. Den genniesai omws me tin dynatothta sta daxtyla na paizeis ypergamato piano 'h bioli. Afto to mathaineis kai to ekseliseis. Gnwmh mou.. :roll:

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Den tha simfoniso mazi sou. Gia ton logo oti o allos mporei na genithei me kati daxtilares kai na exei kati anoigmata pou na pianei 9 tasta pou leei o logos.
Episis exo gnorisei atomo pou me tin mia kourdize kithara me tin mia xoris na sigrinei me tis alles gia na dei ton ixo. Kai tin kourdize teleia mono me to afti. Entaksei einai kai i mousiki antilipsi pou kata tin gnomi mou prota erxete os talento apo tin fisi kai meta ekselisete me tin eksaskisi.

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siga tavga....afto to kanoun oloi pou asxolounde sovara....[/quote:t5bh6sy9]
Den ksero...apla mou fenete komataki diskolo na kourdizeis kithara from scratch kserontas kathe nota xoris na xaneis moria...kai xoris na exeis diapason i na kourdizeis me vasi tis alles xordes.

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Den nomizw oti einai to idio h fwnh me ta organa. Giati h fwnh afora apokleistika stis xordes sou, ton ogko sou klp klp. Profanws genniesai me proikismenes fwnitikes xordes, kai tis ekseliseis. Den genniesai omws me tin dynatothta sta daxtyla na paizeis ypergamato piano 'h bioli. Afto to mathaineis kai to ekseliseis. Gnwmh mou.. :roll:

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Den tha simfoniso mazi sou. Gia ton logo oti o allos mporei na genithei me kati daxtilares kai na exei kati anoigmata pou na pianei 9 tasta pou leei o logos.
Episis exo gnorisei atomo pou me tin mia kourdize kithara me tin mia xoris na sigrinei me tis alles gia na dei ton ixo. Kai tin kourdize teleia mono me to afti. Entaksei einai kai i mousiki antilipsi pou kata tin gnomi mou prota erxete os talento apo tin fisi kai meta ekselisete me tin eksaskisi.

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esena an se poun na tragoudiseis ena A apeksw den kses?


siga tavga....afto to kanoun oloi pou asxolounde sovara....

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Den ksero...apla mou fenete komataki diskolo na kourdizeis kithara from scratch kserontas kathe nota xoris na xaneis moria...kai xoris na exeis diapason i na kourdizeis me vasi tis alles xordes.[/quote:3dkxltep]

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ithela na grapsw....

"dld esena ama sou poun na peis ena La den tha to peis amesws....xreiazesai an sto dosoun?

h ekfrash synaisthimatwn einai no 1 kanonas gia th mousikh kai ta mousika organa.
wraia ola ayta alla xwris thn texnikh katartish den mporeis na ekfraseis auta pou theleis.
.kai -

twra poupes tin fifa sou skase kai min ksetahveis topix :D

sagapw. :D

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
ougk ithela na grapsw ki egw kammia blakeia edw

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wxwxwxw! me erwtheythke...

kserw eimai polu wraios kai paizw mpaso san ton sean malone alla mhn kaneis etsi...