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as bgei h nd , edw 8a maste kai 8a ta leme...
alites poulimenoi,eseis diaspate to kinima!oi monoi gnhsiooi oikologoi einai tou bergh!apaito na mpei parayta san epilogi sto dimopsifisma!xoris plaka tora leo na psifiso bergh.Quote:
Originally Posted by After Dark
Otan emfanizetai o idios o ypourgos kai to bgazei sthn epifanei deixnei kati... proswpika pisteyw oti tha mporouse na perasei h tropologia sto ntoukou kai ESY ws poliths na mhn pareis xampari. Alla tespa...Quote:
Originally Posted by Magellan
Katalaba ti ennoei o magellan, apla mhn nomizeis oti oi lamprakhdes einai emmesa politeyomenoi mesw tou PASOK... oti yparxei diaplokh to dexomai, yparxei se ola ta epipeda ths nomothetikhs eksousias, toso sthn kybernhsh, oso kai sthn antipoliteysh, aksiwmatikh kai mh. To thema einai oti to PASOK toso kairo prospathei toulaxiston stis diadikasies metaksy kratous-polith na kanei tis synallages pio diafaneis, se antithesh me thn ND pou tha prospathei kai tha epidiwkei thn synergasia me tous epixeirhmaties. Twra an esy Antwnh den mporeis na to katalabeis ayto, egw den ftaiw, oute prokeitai na sou pw "traba diabase ligh istoria 'h mila me kapoion megalytero sou", apla katse kai des pragmatika thn eikona pou probalei h ND sta MME kai meta ela esy pes mou an exei kamia diafora apo thn eikona pou exei to PASOK. Ama mou peis "nai exei diafora" nomizw oti kaneis megalo lathos, giati einai emfanes oti tous teleytaious 24 mhnes h deksia krybei to pragmatiko ths proswpo, kai tha htan megalo lathos gia thn koinwnia genikotera, ase emena eksw pou eimai eksasfalismenos, na bgei mia deksia h opoia yposxetai "nees theseis ergasias", me enan ekproswpo typou pragmatiko dhmagwgo, kai enan ekproswpo neolaias pou einai kryptofasistaki. ok? Mporw na sou brw kai eksisou athlia paradeigmata apo ton xwro tou PASOK, px o gios tou Kedikoglou(o opoios molis bghke apo thn koinobouleytikh omada tou PASOK) pou phge sthn ND, kai o bouleyths tou PASOK k.Petsos pou epeidh den ton balane se mia epitroph phge sthn ND... h opoia fysika ton dexthke me anoixtes agkales...Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddy Lackey
pantws ama bgei to pasok den sas blepw na pernete prwta8lima :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by StationEleven
(ta simferonta pou legame)
de diafwnw
den mporeis na ypotheteis pws ISWS tha einai i NDQuote:
To thema einai oti to PASOK toso kairo prospathei toulaxiston stis diadikasies metaksy kratous-polith na kanei tis synallages pio diafaneis, se antithesh me thn ND pou tha prospathei kai tha epidiwkei thn synergasia me tous epixeirhmaties.
eidika efoson o kyklos epixeirimaties - MME - ypostiriksi PASOK einai toso ahdiastika emfanhs.
o lamprakhs den einai politevomenos , so what?
i dhmofilesterh efhmerida (NEA) einai diki tou kai einai gnwsto pion (anoixta) ypostirizei, ayto einai ena paradeigma mono
epishs o efthimiou (ftou tou) einai diko tou gennhma - threma
gia na min poume gia mpompola kai to BHMA (olokliri egnateia anelave na ftiaksei...) kai to MEGA tou,
KOURHS - to alter tha htan paranomo na ekpempei ypo alles sinthikes
i sinergasia PASOK me epixeirhmaties (pou na poume kai gia ton swkrati - nai ton kokalh) einai tragika eleinh.
i diafaneia pou les den leei TIPOTA otan vgenoun ston dromo oi geroi gia na paroun ena psilo parapanw kai tous varane ta MAT , profanws oxi kat'entolin tis ND
i otan oi agrotes exoun trellathei kai einai se apognwsi , enw esi epimeneis oti to PASOK einai konta tous.
kai epeidi milises gia dhmagwgo ekprosopo typoy, vres mou pio DHMAGWGIKH ataka tis ND , apo ta legomena tou giwrgakh gia "xartziliki" stous neous kai oxi asfaleia
meta3i mas ... eok/nato the same sindikato so...opoios kai na bgei...thats our daddy :P
fantasou posa tetoia exoun perasei xwris na ta katalabei kaneis kai posa akoma 8a perasoun eite me tous men eite me tous de...Quote:
Otan emfanizetai o idios o ypourgos kai to bgazei sthn epifanei deixnei kati... proswpika pisteyw oti tha mporouse na perasei h tropologia sto ntoukou kai ESY ws poliths na mhn pareis xampari. Alla tespa...
min eisai toso sigouros gia auto...an to pasok exei tosa xronia tin eksousia nomizeis oti ofeiletai mono stn ideologia tou ?? den exeis akousei tipota gia ti diaf8ora sto dimosio tomea??tis proslipseis ???ktl ktl ktl. mipws exei bolepsei me ton enan i me ton allo tropo tous "dikous" touQuote:
To thema einai oti to PASOK toso kairo prospathei toulaxiston stis diadikasies metaksy kratous-polith na kanei tis synallages pio diafaneis, se antithesh me thn ND pou tha prospathei kai tha epidiwkei thn synergasia me tous epixeirhmaties.
pragma pou eimai sigouros 8a ekane opoiosdipote pou exei tin eksousia
kai epidi tous teleutaious dio mines kai gia ligo kairo akoma akoma 8a douleuw se enan tomea pou exei amesi sxesi me tin katanomi tou dimosiou xrimatos , exw dei kai exw akousei para polla
Ta MME elegxontai apo to PASOK? Ayto les?
Gia kathe "elegxomenh" efhmerida pou mou les mporw na sou brw kai mia efhmerida pou yposthrizei th deksia. To idio kai gia ta kanalia...
To thema me ton Kourh einai POLY pio syntheto ap'oti nomizeis, giati kaka ta psemmata h politikh den shmainei mono diafaneia, shmainei na kaneis kai brwmikes douleies kai o Kourhs einai to ergaleio gia ola ayta.
Egw Antwnh ezhsa thn metarythmish ths paideias sto petsi mou, den kserw gia sena...
BTW giati den anafereis kai thn Kathimerinh?
Oloi oi epixeirhmaties exoun synallages me olous. OLOUS. BALTO STO KEFALI SOU AYTO. 'H exeis thn entypwsh oti ths ND einai panagitses? 'H akomh kai tou KKE? :)
Oso gia ayto pou eipes, gia tous mpatsous, den sxoliazw, kathws fainetai na agnoeis thn prospatheia twn syndikalistwn na dhmiourghsoun ena asfalistiko systhma, thn stigmh pou paliotera, otan h deksia eixe thn eksousia, h leksh "enshma" kai "syntaksh" htan anyparktes.
Oi agrotes den exoun trelathei logw PASOK, agnoeis oles tis synthikes telika, olh h agora (nai kai h pagkosmia agora) pernaei krish kai o prwtos tomeas pou dexetai ta isxyrotera plhgmata einai o tomeas prwtogenous paragwghs. 'H nomizeis oti h ellada den prepei na ephreazetai genikotera apo tis eksellikseis opws nomize o Stalin gia ton rwsia? H ellada nomizeis oti mporei na einai ena margaritari sto wkeano?
Kai gia na elafrwsw to klima, dhmagwgikh ataka ths ND: Dwrean Internet stous foithtes...
oi megaliteris kikloforias efhmerides, einai PASOK , aytes poy yposthrizoun ND einai apeirws mikroterhs kikloforias kai me apeirws ligotero kefalaio apo pisw tous. epishs einai ligoteres kai merikes emfanistikan twra teleytaia.Quote:
Gia kathe "elegxomenh" efhmerida pou mou les mporw na sou brw kai mia efhmerida pou yposthrizei th deksia. To idio kai gia ta kanalia...
safws kai ezhsa tin metarithmisi tis paidias, so ? pes mou kai oti to klima itan yper ths ..
kai fisika oloi exoun synallages me olous apla esy milises les kai einai panagitsa to PASOK legontas ypothetika oti kai i ND tha exei .
epishs gia poso palaiotera les gia enzyma kai sintaksi ? pro xountas , entaksi den zoume to 1965 ksereis , gia TWRA MILAME.
oi agrotes einai opws les , ALLA tpt apo osa tous yposxethike to PASOK den egine (haha twra tous dosane kati poy tous ofeilane), oute kan tous VOITHAEI KANEIS.
elpizw na pisteveis oti to "dwrean internet stous foithtes" einai ligotero psarwtiko kai ypoulo apo to peri "nai sto xartziliki, oxi stin asfaleia" tou giwrgaki
Agnoeis mou fainetai pws douleyei tou asfalistiko systhma. H syntaksh pou tha pareis proerxetai apo kapoia lefta pou dineis esy sto IKA 'h TEBE 'h wherever. Otan paliotera den yphrxe kati tetoio pws perimeneis na broume twra lefta gia na dwsoume syntakseis?Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddy Lackey
Otan esy kaneis mia symbash ergasias epiballetai apo ton nomo na se asfalizoun (koinws na sou kollane enshma). Paliotera (nai to 1965 pou les) den kollagane enshma, kai apo tote pou dhmiourghthike to asfalistiko systhma, to 81, o kosmos arxise apo tote na pairnei officially ta enshma tou, dhladh na bazei merika lefta kathe mhna se ena tameio me thn skepsh otan stamathsei na douleyei na ta pairnei ws syntaksh. To 1965 pou les exei TERASTIA shmasia, ta atoma pou stamathsan na douleyoun TOTE theloun syntaksh TWRA. Kai to erwthma einai PWS efoson POTE DEN PLHRWNANE GIA ASFALISH STA XRONIA 1965-1981. Kai edw einai pou h kybernhsh kanei KOINWNIKH POLITIKH (kati pou tha agnoouse pantelws h ND) kai prospathei akoma kai aytous pou den exoun kanena enshmo gia ayta ta xronia (pou h ND tha tous elege "lypoumaste alla den dikaiouste ta enshma gia ayta ta xronia") na tous dwsei mia syntaksh na zhsoun. Kai ayto eite to gnwrizeis 'h oxi einai thema PORWN. Dhladh prepei na yparxoun LEFTA wste na ta dwsoume sta tameia asfalishs kai na plhrwsoun tous syntaksiouxous. Kai twra mhn mou les gia psila pou theloun oi syntaksiouxoi, kserw apo PRWTO XERI ti exoun parei merikoi syntaksiouxoi, kai ti allages exei epityxei to syndikalistiko kinhma.
H metarrythmish sto asfalistiko tha epityxei otan stamathsoun na yparxoun syntaksiouxoi pou exoun ksekinhsei douleia prin to 1981, kai AYTO EINAI EPITYXIA TOU ARISTEROU PASOK. Twra an esy PALI DEN MPOREIS NA TO DEIS AYTO den ftaiw, 'h an nomizeis oti mporouse na ginei kalyterh diaxeirhsh porwn wste na fygoun lefta apo to AEP kai na pane stis syntakseis... pali den kserw an ftaiw. Kai kleinw, kai sou lew oti TWRA oi syntakseis einai POLY kalytera thn stigmh pou logw twn agwnwn ths GSEE h katwterh syntaksh einai konta stis 150 xiliades drx, thn stigmh pou paliotera htan 40. Alla mallon agnoeis oti paliotera yphrxe kai kosmos pou den epairne KAN SYNTAKSH kai twra pairnei...
Kai to xeirotero olwn, epeidh nomizeis kai esy kai polloi alloi oti "to PASOK kyberna ta teleytaia 20 xronia" (dhladh to 93 poios kybernouse? To PASOK?) ayta pou biwneis shmera ws poliths, kai ayta se 3 lekseis einai h ANAKSIOKRATEIA, h GRAFEIOKRATEIA, kai to ROUSFETI, einai mhxanismoi ths DEKSIAS, pou akoma leitourgoun kai to PASOK eite to thes eite oxi ta katapolema... H leksh ASEP sas leei kati paidia? 'H akoma elpizete na mpeite sto dhmosio epeidh exete conne?
Tespa, einai emfanes oti milaw MONOS MOU, kai kanenas den mporei na mou parousiasei mia orthh politikh thesh me epixeirhmata (akoma kai kapoios aristeros na mou kanei ton dikhgoro tou diabolou, den exw problhma). Den eimai PASOKos opws merikoi tha nomizete, apla niwthw mia ypoxrewsh na yperaspistw tous agwnes pou ekane h ergatikh taksh, kai na pistepsw oti ta oneira pou ekane o ellhnikos laos me to 48% tou PASOK tou 81 na theloume akoma na ta pragmatopoihsoume. Kai den milaw gia politika programmata, milaw gia mia koinwnikh eyhmeria, xwris ksenofobia, xwris akrothtes, xwris fanatismo. Den mporei o kathenas na erxetai kai na katastrofologei...
Ayta, kai epeidh thelw katharh kai paragwgikh syzhthsh, kai bariemai na apantaw sta monolektika sxolia tou kathenos, kai epeidh grafw kai mathima se 7 wres... kalhnyxta sas.
ma aplws ksanales ta hdh gnwsta
ta atoma pou stamatisan na doulevoun to 65 exoun pethanei ..(ektos an einai 100 xronwn)
ara mpourdes les (kai ayto to lew me apoliti elleipsi aftou pou zhtas sto telos)
otan yposxetai mia kyvernhsh kati, EPIVALETAI na to kanei
to PASOK den to ekane
as min yposxotan AN THELEI na onomazetai aksia, vasismenh sthn alithia klp
apla kai omorfa
epishs an pisteueis oti 23 xronia alloionontai apo to dialleima twn 3wn kai oti 20 alla xronia oloklirwn nomwn, epireazontai apo ta 3 tis ND, kai oti anaksiokrateia, rousfeti klp einia paragwgo aftwn twn 3 xronwn kai oxi twn allwn 20, kai dld stin ousia les oti gia tin katastasi tis elladas ftaiei to ergo 3wn xronwn kai oxi afto twn 20 tote nai eisai pasokos .- (kai les kai mpourdes pali)
kai min perimeneis afto pou zhtas sto telos akrivws, afou den apantas se tpt apo oti lew.
a epishs milas gia epityxies tou aristerou pasok SE OLA TA POST SOU
exei kamia sxesi ayto me to shmerino "PASOK" ?
eeexeiiii?????????????
Apla tha sou pw oti den diabazeis ta panta. Den lew oti kapoios stamataei na douleyei to 1965... nomizw einai safes otan lew "Kai to erwthma einai PWS efoson POTE DEN PLHRWNANE GIA ASFALISH STA XRONIA 1965-1981". Ara ola ayta ayta pou eipes peri mpourdas ktl ktl nomizw pane strafh... Ektos kai an ksereis kanenan na plhrwnei to IKA me thn syntaksh tou... O.oQuote:
Originally Posted by Buddy Lackey
Ta 23 xronia pou les... o laos edwse mia nea eykairia tote sthn ND, eide amesws ti lathos ekane kai ksanaedwse thn eksousia sto PASOK. As epanalhfthei h istoria, den exw kanena problhma, egw sou exw pei 2 pragmata 1) eimai eksasfalismenos 2) den eimai PASOktzhs. Tha apanthsw sta ypoloipa erwthmata sou ayrio to apogeyma pou tha gyrisw spiti. Twra eilikrina prepei na paw gia ypno.
Kalhnyxta
sweet dreams
kai kalo ksimeroma me ton prasino hlio
ton poion ?
tha peis kai tha xeis dikio
