Oi 10 spoudaioteroi Ellhnes apo to 1800 kai meta

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Originally Posted by Carcass_

kanena den kserw, alla kai pali auto den ton kanei korufaio.
Epishs den kserw to ergo tou idiou, me tis toses moufes pou paizoun.
Pare tous upoloipous episthmones sto eidos kai sugkrine ton. Den mporei na einai korufaios dioti uparxoun alloi pou einai korufaioi.
To na peis kapoio "einai apo tous kaluterous " to kaneis sugkritika me tous upoloipous. To oti kaneis mia kainotomia, den se kanei korufaio.

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Συζητάμε σε εθνικό επίπεδο, οπότε τον συγκρίνω μόνο σε σχέση με άλλους Έλληνες επιστήμονες. Δυστυχώς τα ονόματα των λαμπρών ανθρώπων αυτής της κατηγορίας είναι λίγα και ανήκει μέσα σε αυτά. Εφόσον, όπως παραδέχεσαι, δε ξέρεις το έργο του, γιατί έχουμε αυτή τη διαφωνία εξ'αρχής; Την άποψη μου τη βασίζω στο επιστημονικό του έργο κι όχι τις υπόλοιπες μαλακίες, όπως τον όποιο θαυμασμό είχε ο Einstein προς αυτόν, κ.λπ. (θέματα τα οποία τα είχαμε συζητήσει σε άλλο thread και οι απόψεις μας συμφωνούσαν).

EIMAI h kathhghtria ths filosofias apo to sxoleio.

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H diafwnia htan sto oti egw thewrhsa oti esy ton thewrouses lampro episthmona se pagkosmio kai oxi se ethniko epipedo ( diavasa lathos dld ).
Auto pou mou thn dinei me ton sugkekrimeno , einai oti exei ftiaxtei mia oloklhrh mythologia gyrw toy.
Telos, opws eipes swsta panw apo to shmeio " den gnwrizeis to ergo tou " kai meta, to idio isxuei kai sto gegonos oti oute esy gnwrizeis ergo upoloipwn ellhnwn ekswterikou kai an den uphrxe olos autos o priksarxidismos me ton karathewdorh paizei kai na mhn ton ikseres.
Enigouei, opws eipes den exei nohma h diafwnia.

gia to papou mou ipate?

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Originally Posted by katwrimos

o konstantinos kai to soi tou einai danoi kai oxi vavaroi. Vavaros itan o othonas, min ta mplekete.

Episis o konstantinos itan xalara apo tous pio adiaforous vasileis pou eixe i ellada. O othonas, o paulos kai o georgios itan apeiros simantikoteroi. Simperasma, oi anistoritoi anoixte kana vivlio prin petaksete tin kotsana sas :D



edit: Tora ida oti sigrinete tin kalas me tin mpelou. ELEOS. I kalas theoreitai mia apo tis korifaies fones EVER, einai ektos sinagonismou. Ntaks katalavaino na theoreis ti mpelou megaliteri prosopikotita, alla sto thema fonis den iparxei sigrisi.

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Goustareis na ginesai MALAKAS oli tin wra?

ase tous xaraktirismous kai pes tin apopsi sou epi tou thematos giati an arxisoume m'auta...

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Originally Posted by jimid

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Originally Posted by katwrimos

o konstantinos kai to soi tou einai danoi kai oxi vavaroi. Vavaros itan o othonas, min ta mplekete.

Episis o konstantinos itan xalara apo tous pio adiaforous vasileis pou eixe i ellada. O othonas, o paulos kai o georgios itan apeiros simantikoteroi. Simperasma, oi anistoritoi anoixte kana vivlio prin petaksete tin kotsana sas :D

edit: Tora ida oti sigrinete tin kalas me tin mpelou. ELEOS. I kalas theoreitai mia apo tis korifaies fones EVER, einai ektos sinagonismou. Ntaks katalavaino na theoreis ti mpelou megaliteri prosopikotita, alla sto thema fonis den iparxei sigrisi.

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Goustareis na ginesai MALAKAS oli tin wra?

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Vlepeis kati sta prapano me vasi to opoio mporeis na dikiologiseis to xaraktirismo sou?
Grafeis ti kotsana sou, me les kai malaka apo pano epidi se diorthosa! Fantasou na itan sosto afto pou eixes pei pos tha ekanes!!!

Anyway, an exeis na diafoniseis kapou pano se afta pou eipa, be my guest. Allios vale tous ftinous xaraktirismous ston gkolo sou. Arketa asxolithika

Loipon, gia na tekeiwnoume opws les.

Dyo pragmata mporei na symvainoun:
1) Den thewreis simantiko kefalaio tis neoelinikis istorias ti dikatoria tou 67.

2) DEN KSEREIS TI STOMPOUTSO EGINE.

Dialekse kai pare. Pou tha me peis kai anistorito kampleksike kserola.
Na me diorthwseis e? :rofl:

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vale tous ftinous xaraktirismous ston gkolo sou.

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Den se adikw... Pragmatika pistevw pws den exeis tin noimosyni na katalaveis ti les wres wres...

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Loipon, gia na tekeiwnoume opws les.

Dyo pragmata mporei na symvainoun:
1) Den thewreis simantiko kefalaio tis neoelinikis istorias ti dikatoria tou 67.

2) DEN KSEREIS TI STOMPOUTSO EGINE.

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Ok, pes mas ti egine esy pou ksereis, gia na fanei poios einai o anistoritos.
(afto diladi pou eprepe na kaneis apo tin arxi, anti na arxiseis na me vrizeis)

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Dialekse kai pare. Pou tha me peis kai anistorito kampleksike kserola.
Na me diorthwseis e? :rofl:

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Se periptosi pou den katalaves ti postares: Ego apla ida kati pou einai lathos kai to eipa. Esy anti na mou peis pou diafoneis, arxizeis na oriesai kai na me les malaka!!! Poia apo tis dio einai simperifora kompleksikou? I diki mou i i diki sou?

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Den se adikw... Pragmatika pistevw pws den exeis tin noimosyni na katalaveis ti les wres wres...

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afto den mpaizei :D

Tbh, δεν υπέδειξες απλά ένα λάθος, τον είπες και ανιστόρητο. Πώς περιμένεις να αντιδράσει ο άλλος μετά;

Ok. Ksekatharizw.

Malaka se eipa epeidi mou epitethikes xwris logo, aka me eipes anistorito.

Epi tou thematos. Ta 2 proswpa pou kathorisan to plitiko skiniko ekeini tin epoxi vriskontai kai ta 2 sti lista mou. Papandreou G kai Kwn/nos.

Epi troxadin twra giati nystazw:

Kyvernisi einai o Papandreou kai vgainei sto proskinio pws o gios tou mporei na einai pisw apo mia parastratiwtiki organwsi onomati "aspida" i opoia eixe kanei ena sampotaz kapou sti thraki nomizw vazontas zaxari sta tepozita strtiwtikwn oximatwn kai axristeunotas ta.

O G Papandreou zitaei apo ton vasilia na analavei to ypourgeio dikaiosynis. Ekeinos arneitai afou to ypourgeio ekeinon ton kairo eixe analavei tin ereuna peri "aspida".

O Papandreou paraiteitai. I enwsi kentrou kerdizei kai pali tis ekloges.
O Papandreou ws proypothesi gia na sximatisei kyvernisi zitaei kai pali to ypourgeio dikaiosynis. O Kwn/nos arneitai kai pali me tin idia aitiologia.

O Papandreou ksanaparaiteitai kai o Kwn/nos orizei ypiresiaki kyvernisi me prwthypourgo ton Kannelopoulo (nomizw...).

Enamisi xrono meta peripou eixame to praksikopima to opoio itan ameso apotelesma tou xaous pou proklithike logw tis "kontras" autis metaksy twn 2 atomwn sta opoia anaferthika.

Panw katw auta eginan. Ksanalew! Den eipa oti prosferan ston topo kai gi'auto tous epeleksa alla synevallan kathoristika stin diamorfwsi mias ek twn simantikoterwn periodwn tis sygxronis istorias tis Elladas.

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Originally Posted by Deggial

Tbh, δεν υπέδειξες απλά ένα λάθος, τον είπες και ανιστόρητο. Πώς περιμένεις να αντιδράσει ο άλλος μετά;

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"den eimai anistoritos kai o konstantinos einai simantikos gia tous X,Y logous"

is that too much to ask?

An pragmati eisai eksypnos, min kaneis ton vlaka. Xeirotera tha antidrouses esy.

PS: S'euxaristw pou mou apantises btw... :| Tsampa kathomoun ki egrafa.

Oriste, apantao, xtes imoun poly kourasmenos

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Ok. Ksekatharizw.

Malaka se eipa epeidi mou epitethikes xwris logo, aka me eipes anistorito.

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To "anistoritos" den einai vrisia i kati tetoio, einai enas arketa ipios xaraktirismos kai sigoura den einai aformi gia na arxiseis vrisidia pou sigoura tha odigisoun se flame.

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Epi tou thematos. Ta 2 proswpa pou kathorisan to plitiko skiniko ekeini tin epoxi vriskontai kai ta 2 sti lista mou. Papandreou G kai Kwn/nos.

Epi troxadin twra giati nystazw:

Kyvernisi einai o Papandreou kai vgainei sto proskinio pws o gios tou mporei na einai pisw apo mia parastratiwtiki organwsi onomati "aspida" i opoia eixe kanei ena sampotaz kapou sti thraki nomizw vazontas zaxari sta tepozita strtiwtikwn oximatwn kai axristeunotas ta.

O G Papandreou zitaei apo ton vasilia na analavei to ypourgeio dikaiosynis. Ekeinos arneitai afou to ypourgeio ekeinon ton kairo eixe analavei tin ereuna peri "aspida".

O Papandreou paraiteitai. I enwsi kentrou kerdizei kai pali tis ekloges.
O Papandreou ws proypothesi gia na sximatisei kyvernisi zitaei kai pali to ypourgeio dikaiosynis. O Kwn/nos arneitai kai pali me tin idia aitiologia.

O Papandreou ksanaparaiteitai kai o Kwn/nos orizei ypiresiaki kyvernisi me prwthypourgo ton Kannelopoulo (nomizw...).

Enamisi xrono meta peripou eixame to praksikopima to opoio itan ameso apotelesma tou xaous pou proklithike logw tis "kontras" autis metaksy twn 2 atomwn sta opoia anaferthika.

Panw katw auta eginan. Ksanalew! Den eipa oti prosferan ston topo kai gi'auto tous epeleksa alla synevallan kathoristika stin diamorfwsi mias ek twn simantikoterwn periodwn tis sygxronis istorias tis Elladas.

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Kai ola afta sou lene oti o konstantinos itan simantiki prossopikotita? Signomi alla ta parapano einai mia tipikotati simperifora enos sintiritikou vasilia. OPOIOSDIPOTE itan sti thesi tou tha eixe kanei to idio. Pouthena sto parapano den fenetai mia stoixeiodos isxiri prossopikotita, giati prin ti xounta itan POLY SINITHISMENO o vasilias na leei OXI ston prothipourgo, idios otan o prothipourgos den einai deksios. Diladi eleos, to gegonos oti ETYXE na einai o konstantinos vasilias otan egine i xounta, den ton kanei simantiki prossopikotita, einai ena kathara sigiriako gegonos.

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Originally Posted by katwrimos

Diladi eleos, to gegonos oti ETYXE na einai o konstantinos vasilias otan egine i xounta, den ton kanei simantiki prossopikotita, einai ena kathara sigiriako gegonos.

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Nomizw oti den aparaithto gia na 8ewrhsoume shmantikh mia proswpikothta na antlei thn shmasia ths apo eswterika apo8emata dynamismou h otidhpote allo. Arkei na antanakla sth syberifora ths thn shmasia sygekrimenhs politikhs h allhs sygkyrias.

ps0. To anistorhtos den einai elafrys xarakthrismos alla safestata pio o3ys apo to malakas.

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Originally Posted by katwrimos

Kai ola afta sou lene oti o konstantinos itan simantiki prossopikotita? Signomi alla ta parapano einai mia tipikotati simperifora enos sintiritikou vasilia. OPOIOSDIPOTE itan sti thesi tou tha eixe kanei to idio. Pouthena sto parapano den fenetai mia stoixeiodos isxiri prossopikotita, giati prin ti xounta itan POLY SINITHISMENO o vasilias na leei OXI ston prothipourgo, idios otan o prothipourgos den einai deksios. Diladi eleos, to gegonos oti ETYXE na einai o konstantinos vasilias otan egine i xounta, den ton kanei simantiki prossopikotita, einai ena kathara sigiriako gegonos.

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Twra to "etyxe na einai autos" den nomizw pws stekei.
I skliri tou stasi einai akoma pio simantiki ean skefteis tis politikes zymwseis tis epoxis. To politeuma itan gnwsto oti kindyneue amesa.

Kai ksanalew oti thewrw simantiko ton rolo twn 2 proswpwn autwn apokleistika epeidi odigise sto praksikopima.

xaxa to kapsate

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Originally Posted by katwrimos

Twra to "etyxe na einai autos" den nomizw pws stekei.
I skliri tou stasi einai akoma pio simantiki ean skefteis tis politikes zymwseis tis epoxis. To politeuma itan gnwsto oti kindyneue amesa.

Kai ksanalew oti thewrw simantiko ton rolo twn 2 proswpwn autwn apokleistika epeidi odigise sto praksikopima.

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To begin with, to erotima einai sxetika me tis simantikoteres prosopikotites oxi sxetika me to poios epekse megalo rolo.

Defteron, I skliri tou stasi einai i idia sintiritiki grammi pou kratouse to palati ta proigoumena 100 xronia apenanti se olles tis mi deksies kiverniseis tis ellados. To na akoloutheis tin pepatimeni den dixnei prosopikotita, malon to antitheto dixnei.

isws oi kyrioi moderators na splittaroyn th syzhthsh gia ton Kwnstantino? tha einai pio eykolo na apantame kai sta dyo threads an diaxwristoyn. (kai na sbhsoyn to paron post, otan ginei.)

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Originally Posted by katwrimos

To begin with, to erotima einai sxetika me tis simantikoteres prosopikotites oxi sxetika me to poios epekse megalo rolo.

Defteron, I skliri tou stasi einai i idia sintiritiki grammi pou kratouse to palati ta proigoumena 100 xronia apenanti se olles tis mi deksies kiverniseis tis ellados. To na akoloutheis tin pepatimeni den dixnei prosopikotita, malon to antitheto dixnei.

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Den leei kati tetoio to topic. Egw to ekselava alliws opws eksigisa kai prin 2-3 selides.

to topic milaei gia tous 10 spoudaioterous ellines, oxi gia tous ellines me tous simantikoterous rolous stin istoria. Me afti ti logiki o PAP einai asimantos giati den epaikse kanena simantiko rolo pote kai pouthena, alla xari se afton sothikan polles gynaikes se olon ton kosmo.

Anyway ta offtopic as svistoun, den xriazetai kan split, den nomizo oti exei kaneis na prosthesei kati

Ti den katalaves apo auto pou egrapsa prin? :|

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Originally Posted by katwrimos

Me afti ti logiki o PAP einai asimantos giati den epaikse kanena simantiko rolo pote kai pouthena

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???

Papanikolaou

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Originally Posted by jimid

Papanikolaou

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profanws.

Εννοεί ότι θα ήταν άλλος ένας γιατρός(αν ήταν να λαμβάνουμε υπόψη μόνο τη θέση).
Μη με κάνετε να υπερασπίζομαι τον κατώριμο.

as mhn ksexasoume kai to antipraksikopima-fiasko.Ton Kwko den 8a ton xarakthriza koryfaio Ellhna me tipota,alla epaikse shmantiko rolo sta gegonota ths epoxhs ekeinhs.Oso gia tous xarakthrismous tou styl "anistorhte" ktl einai toulaxiston asteioi.

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Originally Posted by Rush

as mhn ksexasoume kai to antipraksikopima-fiasko.Ton Kwko den 8a ton xarakthriza koryfaio Ellhna me tipota,alla epaikse shmantiko rolo sta gegonota ths epoxhs ekeinhs.Oso gia tous xarakthrismous tou styl "anistorhte" ktl einai toulaxiston asteioi.

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E auto loipon.

Apo autin ti skopia milisa arxikws.

EGW :headbang: