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An eixes parakolou8hsei apo thnarxh 8a evlepes oti aloi xekinhsan na sxoliazoun tis dikes mou apopseis prwtoi opote den borousa na meinw ametoxos.Na sth lene atoma pou exoune faei to hammer me to koutali adigrafontas tis apopseis tou akoma kai ston proforiko tous logo e paei poly provalontyas xwris na to katalavainoun thn pantelh elleipsh proswpikothtas tous kai proswpikou tous goustou.
Aporw epishs akoma pws den petaxthke kapios gia na me koroidepsei gia thn apopsh mou oti Train of Though Six Degrees Falling into infinity kai When einai gia ton poutso aneva.Aytoi xekinhsan stormrider na sxoliazoun tis apopseis mou mh les mono gia mena.
den tin lew mono se sena..Quote:
Originally Posted by Joey_Allen
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Originally Posted by Joey_Allen
Με 3 κουβέντες έχω να πω: άντε και γαμήσου.
Πρωτού πεις οτιδήποτε περαιτέρω περί προβάτων κτλ να θυμάσαι ότι εσύ το άρχισες.
Εγώ πάντα έχω όρεξη να βριστώ με κάποιον άγνωστο. Όσο για το "σοβαρό δίσκο 5 χρόνια" να σου πω το εξής. Πιάσε εσύ μια κιθαρούλα και άμα μπορείς βγάλε δίσκο όπως το 6DoIT ή το FII. Άμα είσαι μάγκας βγάλε και το Awake του 2004. ΤΟΤΕ θα έρθεις να μου μιλήσεις περί "σοβαρών" δίσκων. Προς το παρόν άσε τους DT στην άκρη (γιατί είναι προφανές ότι άκουσες τους δίσκους μετά το Awake εντελώς επιφανειακά οπότε δεν περιμένω να καταλάβεις κομμάτια όπως Trial of Tears, Blind Faith, Stream of Consciousness) και μίλα σε κάποιο άλλο thread ή ακόμα καλύτερα φύγε από το forum όπως μας ανακοίνωσες το απόγευμα. Φιλούθκια.
To kalytero prograssive group einai oi TOOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Joey_Allen
[quote=The Nerd]To kalytero prograssive group einai oi TOOL[/quote:1ech3klm]Quote:
Originally Posted by "Joey_Allen":1ech3klm
sinfwnw alla oi tool exoun vgalei 3 h 4 albums kai oi dt girw sta 10..
[quote=The Nerd]To kalytero prograssive group einai oi TOOL[/quote:3d52tpug]Quote:
Originally Posted by "Joey_Allen":3d52tpug
Right.
Mono pou den einai progressive.
Oute to kalytero.
Kai gia to group to syzhtame.
joey allenZ wannabhdes :twisted:
Siga mhn einai kai h kalyterh mpada tou sympados oi Stool.
H kalyterh progressive mpada markan einai oi Shadow Gallery.4 diskoi oloi diskares.
mazi sou alla to legacy den itan ligo vareto? de mporesa na to fxaristithw oso perimena.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joey_Allen
To poso megalo group einai oi Theater telika fainetai apo to oti ena thread gi autous kataligei se flame, opos gia tous Metallica, tous Maiden, merikes fores ton Sabbath kai ton Manowar. Diladi uparxoun ta megala sugkrotimata kai oi Manowar.
Sumfonaw. Epishs to Train Of Thought einai gamw tous diskous...Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoebus
To Change Of Seasons einai apo ta kalutera kommatia EVER! To kalutero kommati DT, to opoio to akous kai de katalavaineis pws perasan ta 23 lepta tou (eyeamflesch se paw).
To na sugkrinei kanei Shadow Gallery me DT einai polu "kako" gia tous SG. Mprosta stous DT einai ....de to lew kalutera. Oi SG mou aresoun, alla prepei na anagnwrisei kaneis oti exoun ephreastei para polu apo theater kai oti se kamia periptwsh de dia8etoun thn poikilia kai thn e3eli3h twn DT. Kanenas tous diskos de sugkrinetai me Metropolis II, Train of thought (den anaferw ta anamenomena gia eunohtous logous).
Meta to Legacy epanalamvanontai, xwris na fainetai pws einai ikanoi gia kati neo kai e3isou kalo.
Kapoios eipe pws oi Theater den exoun ena kommati pou na meinei klassiko. Auto isxuei gia ton polu kosmo men, wstoso gia tous filous twn DT h pleiopsifia ths mousikhs tous milaei kateu8eian sth kardia kai h pleiopsifia twn kommatiwn tous einai klassika. Mporei na exoun kapoia hitakia ta opoia gnwrizei h pleiopsifia twn "metalheads", alla h pragmatikh tous mageia einai se kommatia tupou Learning to Live, Change Of Seasons, Trial Of Tears, Dissapear, The Killing Hand, Scarrer ktl...
Opws kai na xei gousta einai auta. Apla, parathrw ena menos kai mia apex8eia pros tous DT apo polu kosmo, h opoia de dikaiologhtai. Den aresoun se kapoin? Me geia tou me xara tou. Apla, pisteuw pws einai apo ta liga group pou a3ia exoun kerdisei auto pou leme sevasmos.
Mpeeeeeeeeeee........................
RE ANEBA PANW NA TZAMEPSOYME TO TRAGOYDI :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Coroner
THYMITHIKA OTI OTAN TOXA PRWTOPAREI TO "EP" KSYPNOYSA MISI WRA NWRITERA GIA NA TAKOYSW TO TRAGOYDI PRIN PAW SKOLEIO :D
eyeamflesch, to Change Of Seasons htan ena apo ta prwta kommatia pou phgame na diaskeuasoume me Dragonlord kai Utmost. Tote vevaia mas eleipan pentaxorda kai eftaxordes. Twra pia oxi, opote gia to jam pou eleges...
8a ta poume kai sto ER live...
To Change Of Seasons exei tous kaluterous DT stixous ever.
............................
I'm sick of all you hypocrites
holding me at bay
and I don't need you sympathy
to get me through the day.
Seasons change and so can I
hold on boy, no time to cry
untie these strings, I'm climbing down
I won't let them push me away...
Ok symfonw sta peri Dt (ektos apo ayta gia to ToT, pou pleon to theorw vareto oso den paei).Quote:
Originally Posted by Coroner
Oi SG paizoun allou teleiws. Den exoun ephreastei apo DT se kamia periptosh (eksallou to prwto SG vghke to 92 kai einai stin ousia demo). Apla eixan koina prog rock akousmata (oi DT perissotero Yes, oi SG perissotero Kansas). Twra gia poikilia kai ekseliksh den diafonw (alla einai adikh h sygkrish efoson oi SG exoun ligotera albums), alla metraei i empneysh. Oi DT exoun synaisthimatikes stigmes, enw oi SG einai ena synexes overdose synaisthimatwn. Kai nomizw pws einai asteio na leme pws to ToT einai kalytero apo to Tyranny, 'h to Carved In Stone. Gia mena vasika to mono album twn DT pou kseperna to "Tyranny" einai to "Images And Words".
Apla diskoi opws:
Images And Words
Awake
Change Of Seasons EP
Scenes From A Memory
den ksanavgainoun.
Kaloi kai oi Shadow Gallery gia paradeigma, alla kai pali mprosta stous Theater wxrioun. Mono oi Queensryche tou Operation mexri kai to Promised mporoun na stathoun dipla tous.
Apla oti kalutero exei na epideiksei o xwros tou rock in generally.
Ase pou o Petrucci einai makran o korufaios kitharistas pou uparxei pleon.
THEOS
Koryfaia mpanta me megalh istorikh spoudaiothta methinks
Epeidh tous ezhsa sthn epoxh tous, ena sas leo...to metal den eixe dei allo tetoio group.
Synexiste
Συμφωνώ απόλυτα και με τα σχόλια και με το avatar σου. ΧΑ ΧΑ ΧΑQuote:
Originally Posted by dyingfreedom
Aπλά πρόσθεσε στη λίστα και το Train of thought
to perimena oti oi perissoteroi tha miseitai tous dream theater!Apla exo katalavei oso kai an akougetai koultouriariko: H TEXNH EINAI GIA LIGOUS
oi ligoi parakalountai na baloun thn texnh ekei pou kseroun, afou doun aggelopoulo kai kamia galliki tsonta mpas kai ksexarmaniasoun.... :D
auto akrivos. kai an einai gia ligous tote pos exigountai oi ordes twn theateradwn twn opoiwn omos i sxesi me tin "texni" periorizetai sto DT, stous nevermore(! :rofl: :rofl: ) ante kai stous Yes?Quote:
Originally Posted by rockavlon
Οι Shadow Gallery σε χύνουν στο μάτι.Quote:
Originally Posted by dyingfreedom
Για να πώ και εγώ την μαλακία μου και να τσατίσω κάποιους,το Train of Thought είναι για τον πούτσο,δεν νοείται ένα group σαν τους DT να χώνει με τόσο εμφανή τρόπο στοιχεία από Tool,Metallica και nu σε ένα album που απλά παίζουν τις κάλτσες τους με αποτέλεσμα να καταντάει βαρετό!!!Το μόνο αξιόλογο album τους είναι το Metropolis pt II:scenes from a memory.
Proswpika, pou goustarw trela to TOT, de me tsantizeis ka8olou. Apo ti stigmh pou aresei SE EMENA, st' arxidia mou h gnwmh twn allwn (xwris pare3hghsh ;)).Quote:
Originally Posted by Eloch
Oi DT einai moysikos aynanismos. Texnika kommatia, xwris feeling omws, aplh epidei3h virtoyozilikioy. San na pas se live sex show kai na vgei enas typos kai na thn paizei, texnh alla no feeling.
kala oti peite paidia!To athanato ellada me tis apopseis toy zei kai vasileuei!Ante tora na apotheosoume ton Cavalera me tous soulfly kai tous Iced Earth etsi gia na rthoume sta isia mas!Kai meta leme oti den yparxoun sygkrothmata ellinika me kariera sto eksoteriko!EDO DEN YPARXEI KOINO KALA KALA ....
Oydepote yphr3e oikonomika isxyro metal koino sthn ellada. Oi pio polloi otan megalwnoyn kai ta exoyn, protimane thn Kokkinoy apo toys Iron Maiden.Quote:
Originally Posted by psych/prog
Auth einai h DIKH sou apopsi. Se kamia periptwsh de mporeis na amfisvhteiseis oti aggizoun th kardia kai to psuxh kapoiou kosmou.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nerd
to athanato ellanta me tis apopseis "den akoute afto pou mou aresei opote eiste ellinares".Quote:
Originally Posted by psych/prog
eisai o kainourgios joey allen?
joey allen junior
molis 16,5 xronone
NEO AIMA
ayto. k intint "kommatia", tragoudia oloklhrwsan mono sto ToT.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nerd
(hoho rixte)
nai fisika tha "riksoume", giati opws sou xw xiliopei einai akyro na to les ayto gia ToT,(to "oloklirosan tragoudia" - eleos btw dld ta alla einai misoteleiomena?) afou isxyei poly perissotero se alla albums (den einai thema "goustou" ayto)
ase me na vristw me kana allo =(
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Originally Posted by Kain
AKYRO.
Nai re filaraki ti mas les na poume diladis, epeidi esu eisai koufos paei na pei oti einai kai oi alloi? Diladi tragoudia opos to Space Dye Vest kai to Hollow Years den einai olokliromena eno to Honor Thy Father pou teleionei sti mesi einai? To Trial Of Tears den einai 13 lepta olokliromeno tragoudi? To Change Of Seasons den einai 23 lepts allages epoxon kai oloklirosi ton skepseon tou mousikou gia tin zoi kai tin poreia tis mesa sta xronia? Ante tora mia ta paro. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by VirusXI
to pio periektiko mhnyma pou ginetai na grapsei kaneis gia to themaQuote:
Originally Posted by freak brother
entaxei, me exairesh to scenes pou einai kai poly kalh mousikh
Poios einai autos re file?Quote:
Originally Posted by necropethamenos
Egw pali na pw thn apopsh mou xwris na sxoliasw twn ypoloipwn, mias kai exei ksefygei h mpala...
Tous akousa prwth fora to 92 kai mou fanhkan varetoi kai flwroi. To 94, enas filos mou me eprikse oti "xanw" kai "tha goustarw poly" opote tsekara Images kai Awake. Arghsan na mou kanoun klik, alla telika mou aresan para poly.
Se ayto to shmeio na parathrhsw oti osoi sxoliazoun thn elleipsh synaisthimatwn kanoun lathos. Lypamai, alla ayto den einai thema goustou. Yparxei polys kosmos kai kosmos pou en pasei periptwsei den masaei koutoxorto, pou exei syndethei synaisthimatika me thn mousikh tous, pou exoun proslavei ayta pou metadidoun. An gia kapoio logo esas den sas sygkinoun, ok, alla eteron ekateron...
Synexizw gia DT... To Change of Seasons fovero EP, stathera apsogoi... To FII me ksenise, opws ksenise kai poly kosmo, oxi giati erikse tous tonous alla giati yphrxe poly emporila mesa kai kyriws polla kommatia den kathontan san ta ypoloipa, gia mena einai akoma anomoiogenhs diskos... Se telikh analysh mou aresoun kapoia kommatia alla se genikes grammes den tha to sygrina me tis prohgoumenes douleies tous...
Se aythn thn periodo tous eida kai 2 fores live. Sthn Agglia emeina me anoikto to stoma, kataplhktiko performance, poly zwntania kai foverh apodosh... Sthn Ellada, sto Lykavvhto, poly pio metria emfanish. Edw mou ekane entypwsh oti to live ektheiasthke apo ta periodika kai apo poly kosmo, alla fantazomai oti prwton kapoioi htan toso enthousiasmenoi pou tous evlepan pou to kataeyxaristithikan (kai htan kai oi kerdismenoi ths ypotheshs) kai kapoioi tous evgalan theous epeidh vasika einai oi Dream Theater opote stantar paizoun teleia... (mia merida kosmou pou dystyxws spaei kai ta nevra twn ypoloipwn...)
Synexizw... Otan vghke to Liquid Tension Experiment, to phra pio poly gia opadikous logous, xwris na perimenw na goustarw idiaitera. Antitheta me to palikari pou den tou ekane aisthisi, egw proswpika epatha thn plaka ths zwhs mou. Ekplhktikh mousikh kai tromerh xhmeia sthn mpanta. To live jamming synaisthima diaxyto kai genikws apeirws (alla apeirws milame) anwterh douleia apo to FII. Se ayto to shmeio arxisa na parakalaw ton kalo theoulh na fygei o (kata t'alla sympathestatos) Sherinian kai na paroun ton Rudess, pou tous phgaine poly perissotero...
Kai etsi kai egine, epeidh eimai poly kalo paidi, eisakousthke h proseyxh mou kai efyge o Derek...
Perimena loipon diskara, antaksia tou Awake, alla me allo xrwma (diafora Moore/Rudess profanws).
Kai edw arxizw ta airetika... Dioti emena to Scenes me apogohteyse para poly. Legane oti tha antidrasoun sthn emporikh kateythynsh tou FII kai tha vgaloun heavy disko alla telika kanane ousiastika to idio pragma! Vgalane enan disko pou tha ikanopoiouse thn syntriptikh pleiopshfia twn opadwn: heavy kai ypertexniko. Kai osoi me gnwrizoun, kseroun oti otan prokeitai gia heavy den exw kamia antirrhsh (eimai kafros koinws). Alla na to shkwnei kai h mpanta. O Rudess den mou edwse kamia entypwsh mousikou pou trelainetai gia ashkwta riff kai daidalwdeis syntheseis kai allages... Pio poly rolo komparsou eixe, "paikse ypergrhgora ala Metropolis"...
O diskos kalos einai fysika, aloimono, kai exei kai foveres stigmes, eidika o Petrucci kai o Portnoy deixnoun na to eyxaristiountai idiaiterws... To provlhma mou me ton disko einai oti o Rudess pou lampei sto LTE, den deixnei thn aksia tou (thn mousikh, oxi thn texnikh), den afhnei to stigma tou. Einai mia mpanta pou o Rudess den einai melos ths tropon tina... Ara einai mia mpanta me meion ena melos, dioti o Moore (kai o Sherinian ws ena vathmo) exei safestato stigma sta album pou symmetexei. O Rudess? Krima... Enas diskos Dream Theater ek tou asfalous, xwris ekplhkseis hxhtika kai mousika... Poly wraies kapoies syntheseis pantws...
Edw tous eida alles dyo fores. Pali mia Agglia pou gamhsan kai edeiran kai mia Ellada, sto Rockwave pou htan METRIOTATOI (kai tous esvhsan kyriolektika oi In Flames pou pote den mou aresan kai live me kerdisan).
Symperasma gia ta live twn Theater: Ekplhktikoi se kleisto xwro, se klamp typou Gagarin / Rodon an yparxei o hxos vevaia) kai poly metrioi se anoixtes, megales synavlies... Den tous eida stis teleytaies gia na exw apopsh...
Kai vgainei kai to 6 Degrees... Kai pali ginomai o airetikos ths ypotheshs kai mou aresei apeires fores perissotero apo to Scenes, enw polys kosmos to vrhke poly pio vareto. Dystyxws kai aytos pasxei apo to syndromo "prosexoume ti paizoume, exoume kai kapoia ekatommyria opadwn na eyxaristhsoume" alla edw yparxei mia safhs diathesh peiramatismou kai o Rudess dinei epitelous kai to diko tou stigma kai genika akous Dream Theater se mia diaforetikh ekdosh apo to parelthon. Akoma pantws to yperheavy, akougetai epithdeymeno sta aytia mou. Eipame, eimai karakafros, alla thelw na einai kai karakafroi oi mousikoi pou paizoun kafrika... Den niwthw apo ton disko oti oloi oi mousikoi einai mesa sthn fash... Den kserw an ginomai katanohtos, an me exei diavasei kaneis mexri edw, alla synexizw...
Kai ftanoume kai sto Train of Thought kai sto eksis periergo apotelesma. Exw ton disko apo ton kairo pou vghke. Kai akoma den exw niwsei thn kavla na katsw na ton valw katw na ton akousw me thn prosoxh pou tou aksizei. Sta dyo akousmata pou den eixa dwsei thn full prosoxh mou, mou arese ('h phra thn aisthisi oti tha mou aresei) oso kai to 6 Degrees apo apopsh synthesewn. Den akousa omws kati synarpastiko kai pragmatika progressive, mia mpanta sthn kosmara ths vre aderfe, pou oloi oi mousikoi trelainontai gia ayto pou kanoun. Epifylassomai gia mia pio prosektikh akroash (to sygkekrimeno post mou tous thymise pantws kai isws to akousw kai shmera!)
A! To LTE 2: Diskara! Ekplhktiko kai omws ksanapianoun ayto to live jamming/empneysh session tou prwtou, me dikh tous taytothta kai me mia freskada genika. Tous fantazesai pali na tzamaroun, 4 mousikoi, na kanoun paixnidia metaksy tous (mousika milaw panta!) na thn karavriskoun... Krima, poly krima pou kati tetoio den to akouw stous Theater...
Ayta ta oliga (!). Den thelw na symfwnhsw me ton Rockavlon kai na pw oti ekane eraly peak h mpanta, nomizw exoun xronia mprosta tous kai fantazomai oti tha exoume diafores epoxes, me ta skampanevasmata tous, pantws h twrinh epoxh den me sygkinei oso h prwth. Still, mia tromera aksiologh mpanta kai tha thn parakolouthw me endiaferon...
Kai paides, ksypnhste merikoi. Den yparxei kalyteros kai xeiroteros kitharistas... Kalos o Petrucci, foverh texnikh, kales idees sta solo, alla yparxei polys kosmos ekei eksw eksisou kalos kai polles fores anwteros...
Και με μένα συμβαίνει το ίδιο. Πήρα με λαχτάρα το δίσκο από την ημέρα που βγήκε. Τον άκουγα συνεχώς για κανά δυο βδομάδες, ένιωσα γενικώς ότι είναι αξιόλογος, αλλά έκτοτε δεν έχω νιώσει ποτέ την ανάγκη να τον ακούσω ξανά! Όποτε τον βλέπω στη δισκοθήκη κάτι αδιευκρίνιστο με απωθεί, νιώθω ότι δεν έχει να μου προσφέρει κάτι και προτιμώ παλιότερα άλμπουμ τους που τα έχω ακούσει πολύ περισσότερες φορές αλλά εξακολουθώ να τα βρίσκω συναρπαστικά.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vic
oi theater me to fii edeiksan oti diakrinontai apo anisyxo pneyma k oti mporoun na einai pragmatika proodeytiki mpanta. to oti omws to album antimetwpistike me dyspistia apo ti megalyteri merida twn akroatwn (kata symptwsi i megalyteri merida twn akroatwn einai ayti pou arkeitai sta gnwsta agapimena motiva k den mporei na akolouthisei tin eilikrini ekfrasi twn anisyxiwn kathe kallitexni - katholou katakriteo ayto, apla mia paratirisi) k dedomenou oti oi theater einai full-time mpanta, koinws ama den poulisoun tha peinasoun, tous ekane IMO apo ekeini ti stigmi k meta na skeftontai perissotero emporika.Quote:
To FII me ksenise, opws ksenise kai poly kosmo, oxi giati erikse tous tonous alla giati yphrxe poly emporila mesa kai kyriws polla kommatia den kathontan san ta ypoloipa, gia mena einai akoma anomoiogenhs diskos... Se telikh analysh mou aresoun kapoia kommatia alla se genikes grammes den tha to sygrina me tis prohgoumenes douleies tous...
oi theater einai to prwto group pou mou erxetai panta sto myalo otan antimetwpizw to (arketa syzitimeno k edw mesa) zitima "texni-fraga". k de lew oti thysiasan to ena gia xari tou allou, alla SIGOURA MA SIGOURA prospathisan na ta symvivasoun.
btw o vic mou thymise twra poso gamouse to 6 degrees, tha valw na t'akousw. diafwnw mazi sou pantws Vic oti sto scenes o rudess den afise to stigma tou. thewrw oti xwris auton to album tha itan poly pio "epipedo" k "synithismeno" theater, stirigmeno stin portnoy-petrucci synthetiki nootropia twn awake/i&w, enw twra mporei o opoiosdipote na diakrinei k "ksena" (rudess) endiaferonta stoixeia.
liga logia gia na ginetai kouventa. "oloklirwmena" ti gnwmi mou gia tous theater den exei noima na prospathisw na ti grapsw etsi k alliws...
