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blue_limestone

13-11-2003, 11:07

Exontas akousei to album 3-4 fores epifilasomai gia afta pou tha pw. katarxin exo psiloapogoiteftei. Den vriskw kanena eirmo skepsis melodias kai sinaisthimatos, mou fenetai sa na mpikan sto stoudio, paiksan oti kseran san ypermousikoi pou einai kai meta kollisan ta kommatia gia na vgaloun 7. Diladi oi sindesmoi kai oi armoi einai poly leptoi kai nomizw oti i tha spasoun kai tha katarefsi olos o diskos i apla tha epelthei mia alli isoropia pou afti ti stigmi egw proswpika den diakrinw.
Entaksei oloi kseroume oti oi DT einai metal, den xreiazotan na mas to apodiksoun, oloi episis kserame oti oi DT einai tromeroi sto paiksimo, oute afto ithele apodeiksi. E twra ti tous epiase kai kanan enan disko dinamititi men, alla anef ousias telika. Den kserw ti lete eseis, alla egw den vriksw (oxi melodia exei) sinaisthima katholou sto disko, einai mia soupa metal riffs me solos pou vazoun fwtia stis xordes kai ta pliktra. Kai ante meta na peisw gia to antitheto aftous pou me prizoun xronia oti oi DT paizoun mono solos kai einai aftoepdikies meta apo afto to cd.
Den tha to aporipsw vevaia teleiws. Exei kai kala simeia alla paramenoun asyndeta opws proeipa. Tha tou dwsw kai alles efkeries, tha to akousw poly kai meta tha vgalw to teliko symperasma. mexri stigmis:
6.5/10

Dragonlord

15-11-2003, 17:35

well to akousa mia-h mallon mish fora.nta3ei oi theater 8eloun polles akroaseis,pantws mporw na pw pws den apogohteuthka ka8olou-an kai to as i am de mou eixe afhsei tis kalyteres twn entypwsewn kai to akousa me to ftyari sto xeri.to endless sacrifice kata prwto logo alla kai to in the name of god einai KOMMATARES pou mono oi theater 3eroun na grafoun,to ypoloipo album fainetai na kymainetai sta synh8ismena pshla epipeda poiothtas.auto pou m'aresei (kai to perimena) einai pws einai pio "sygkentrwmeno" album,se anti8esh me to 6doit pou htan poly otinanai.8a to parw entos twn hmerwn kai 8a epanel8w gia perissotera

symposium_lexotanil

16-11-2003, 03:34

to akouo tora proti fora olokliro kai psiloprosextika.
gamaei apogoiteumenous.
a kai ta fonitika tou labrie einai theika.psofiste isixa

Elfstone

16-11-2003, 05:09

Auto pou exw proseksei einai oti panta otan ena sygrotima vrisketai sthn koryfh dexetai pyra apo pantou (kyriws apo "psagmenous" pou thavoun otidhpote vrisketai kapou pshla). Oson afora tous Dream Theater akoume sxolia tou typou
1. den exoun synaisthima (synithos apo atoma pou pisteuoun pws otan to kommati exei solo tote den exei synaisthima)
2. den exoun synoxh (apo atoma pou mperdeuontai me kommatia panw twn 4 leptwn)
3. aneleito thapsimo tou LaBrie (isws einai thema goustou alla apo ena shmeio kai meta einai apla thema kakias. sto studio to atomo einai APSOGO kai opoios leei to antitheto as episkeutei ton analogo giatro).

Meta apo arketes akroaseis exw na pw gia to "Train Of Thought" ta ekshs :
Einai ontws pio "sygkentromeno" album apto Six Degrees, oi DT synexizoun na peiramatizontai, panta omws ta kommatia tous einai prosegmena kai domhmena sthn enteleia. To mono pou me enoxlei einai pragmata opws px h fwnhtikh grammh tou Blackend sto This Dying Soul. Apokleietai na einai tyxaio efoson oi DT einai megaloi opadoi twn Metallica alla de mporw na eksigisw giati to kanan auto. Tous arese toso kai eipan "e, poios thymatai twra ena album pou vgike to 88?". Anyway, ptaisma otan milame gia liga deuterolepta.
Sta 3 kalytera ths xronias gia mena, perastika s'autous pou akoma de katalavan to metal fainomeno ths perasmenhs dekaetias.

Moments wasted!
Isolated!
Time escaping!
Endless sacrifice!

Kingryche

16-11-2003, 07:36

Elfstone tha elega oti simfono para poli mazi sou...
Einai i seira ton Theater na ginoun oi mainstream apodektes genikoteris amfisvitisis.
Oson afora to Blackened mallon os foro timis (nai allon ena) sto group pou agapisane kai sevontai to eklambano.Kai opos eipes merika seconds einai.Alla vlepeis oi Metallica efxaristousan tous Limp Bizkit kai tous Sum 41 kai opoiodipote allo sigrotima KATAKREOURGOUSE ta kommatia tous sto MTV Icon (kai na thelan mporousan na paiksoun kana solo?) kai gia tous Theater pou paizan olo to Master kouventa...Sorry ksefiga apo to thema alla aei sixtir epitelous...
Akomi meta apo polles akroaseis to theoro disko ths xronias gia para pollous logous kai kathe akroasi prosthetei pontous sto album.Gamaei.Etsi apla...

FIXXXER

16-11-2003, 14:41

Auto pou mou aresei sta forums kai anekathen mou arese einai oti o kathenas milaei eite xerei eite oxi. Re sy Kingryche na se rotiso kati... otan eleges gia tous Limp Bizkit kai tous Sum41 kai kati peri katakreourgisis ton solos eixes dei tin en logo sunaulia i etsi to leges? Giati exo olo to MTVIcon se video kai pistepse me, to solo tou Master Of Puppets o pitsirikos apo tous Sum41 to paizei opos to paizei o Hammett sto CD, apla i diafora einai oti exei kalutero ixo.

Oson afora to Train Of Thought tora pou to exo akousei polles fores, boro na po oti to CD einai polu gamato, alla polu epitideumeno ki auto mou ti spaei, giati an eixan afisei tous eautous tous pio eleutherous, tha eixan kanei polu kalutero album. Episis, to Six Degrees itan polu pio gamo pou itan oti nanai. Ama thelo na akouso ena album pou ta kommatia na einai sto idio stul, tote de tha valo Dream Theater, ekei einai i mageia tous. Alla de vlepo na sumvainei kati tetoio oute sto Train Of Thought.

To As I Am einai KOMMATARA kai entelos paradosiako Dream Theater os pros tin domi, Metallica os pros tin mousiki. To This Dying Soul einai ena kommati pou to proto miso se afinei malaka giati de perimenes pote apo tous Theater na vgazoun toso sunaisthima se tetoiou eidous kommati (ax pou einai to Trial Of Tears kai to Finally Free...) kai sto deutero miso se afinoun malaka me auta pou kanoun, ta opoia oses fores kai na akouseis panta se entuposiazoun. To Endless Sacrifice einai gia mena isos to kalutero tou diskou, me xalaei omos pou sto telos to gamane les kai einai oi Manowar se sunaulia... (flame war start will I, Yoda). To Honor Thy Father einai ena kommati pou exei mesa duo-treis GAMATES idees, alla akoma den exo katalavei giati sto deutero miso exoun samples me dialogous kai apo piso kati organa na paizoun mia vareti klimakosi enos riff gia 5 lepta, mallon thelan na kanoun kai auto to kommati 10lepto, etsi gia ti fasi. To Vacant einai APISTEUTO. Apodeiknuei poso gamane oi Theater stis melodikes tous stigmes. Krima pou einai mono ena kommati ston disko etsi. To Stream Of Consciousness epitelous einai ena gamato instrumental kommati meta apo ta pliros apogoiteutika Overture kai About To Crash (Reprise), afou ki auto ousiastika to rolo tou indtrumental eixe sto CD. Mou thumizei Liquid Tension, ki auto mono kalo einai. To In The Name Of God, ti na po gi auto to kommati. Einai polu gamato, exei kai gamo ta riffs, alla gia kapoio logo theoro oti se 2 xronia de tha exo kamia anagki na to valo na to akouso se antithesi me Trial Of Tears opos eipa pio prin.

Teliko sumperasma, polu kalo album, ta kommatia eprepe na einai pio mikra giati uparxoun simeia pou apla bikan gia na ginoun ola 11lepta, ki auto me xalaei para polu, tha protimousa 10 7lepta kommatia para 7 10lepta. H mia mesi lusi telos panton re file, mi ta kaneis ola 11lepta gia na se poun psagmeno kai gamo ta groups. Episis, theoro oti oi Theater einai gia megalutera pragmata, alla afou auto goustaroun na paizoun, magkia tous, de me xalaei, apla kati allo tha me eftiaxne perissotero.

FIXXXER

16-11-2003, 14:45

Entometaxu ennoeitai pos o Labrie einai gamatos se auto to album, alla oxi mono... Kala i melodia sto Endless Sacrifice pou akouo tora ta gamaei ola... o Petrucci exei valthei na xeperasei ton Hetfield se posotita (poiotita?) riffs se ena album meta to Saint Anger :P :P :P

Magellan

17-11-2003, 03:17

lipon to album einai para ma para poli kalo.......

exw na kanw 2 paratiriseis
8a i8ela na iparxei estw ena komati se fasi finally free i misunderstood
kai akoma orismena komatia 8a eprepe na einai pio mikra se diarkeia

paw na akousw scenes twra :D

Kingryche

17-11-2003, 03:17

Fixxxer to exo dei to MTV Icon ennoeitai, giati na miliso gia katio pou den ksero?Otan leo gia solos den thimamai px tous Limp Bizkit,tous Korn i tous Staind na paizoun ta solo ton kommation.Tora tous Sum epeidi den mou kanan kai kammia idiaiteri entiposi den tous paratirisa.Dld poia ektelesi tou Sanitarium itan kaliteri: apo Dream Theater i apo Limp Bizkit?Den nomizo oti oi Metallica itan pote konta stin fasi tou nu metal.Lefta mirizoun kai pane apo konta kai afto einai krima...Kai mporei na min eimai o megaliteros opados tou nu metal alla polla pragmata m'aresoun kai to psaxno os ena simeio.
Kai epeidi eimaste se Theater forum gia alli mia fora leo oti to Train Of Thought einai gamistero.Sto Stream Of Consciousness den peftoun stin pagida tou na arxisoun na paizoun "papades" alla dosan vasi sto na grapsoun melodies kai to kommati einai super.

Buddy Lackey

17-11-2003, 08:00

grafw oti egrapsa kai sto album reviews, giati bariemai na grapsw alla:
ti maresei sto neo theater:
to oti einai xalara to pio kitharistiko tous album
to oti o labrie tragoudaei toso gamata oso eixe kairo na tragoudisei
i paragwgi (apistefti)
to oti exei stigmes kai idees ekswpragmatika kales.
to "in the name of god" (PARA poli)
ti "demaresei" sto neo theater:
to oti epanalamvanoun sinthetiki nootropia
to oti akougetai san ena scenes part 2 me pio polla riff
to oti enw o rudess fenetai na exei trelli empnefsi apo ta liga shmeia pou paizei ta dika tou, den akougetai oso prepei, enw tha prepe (eidika me tin sigekrimeni empnefsi)
oti den einai oso peiramatiko perimena (kai perimena kati peiramatiko)
genikws kai adiakritws to album gamaei , ta telika simperasmata vevaia opote kati afora theater sinithws argoun na vgoun.
peri "paraeinai metal " klp , perastika sas , to na les "de maresei toso epeidi einai poli metal" einai toso xazo oso na leei kapoios "de maresei epeidi den einai metal"

blue_limestone

17-11-2003, 23:51

Kapioi sinexizoun na ypostirizoun tin aniparksia epixeirimatwn legontas vlakeies 13xronwn. Sas arese to albumaki, magkia sas! De sas arese gia kapoious logous, pali ok. EMENA DE MARESE! A mou fenete oi Theater exoun ginei (dystyxws) akousma kai savouroakroarwn, krima...
Oso gia to oti einai poly metal kai de marese afto simainei oti den mou vgazoun oi Theater to metal feeling pou mou vgazoun alloi. Mou fenete ligo geloio na prospatheis na eisai kati pou den eisai.
Einai ena kalo album gia ena x,y groupaki texnikou metal alla metrio gia Theater...Sinthetika mas doylevoun kanonika, paizoun ateleiwta solos pou den odigoun pouthena kai ta fonitika fainontai san na einai ksekremasta. Mia epanalipsi kai mia prospatheia entypwsiasmou alla xwris ypovathro opws se alla albums (pou einai kai to zoumi telika). Gia mena den eixan oreksi kai empnevsi kai vgike afto pou vgike. O Rudess pou einai???
A kai osoi tous vrizan prin, twra tous ektiazoun?
Vgalte tis metal paropides kai meta krinte ena disko antikeimenika...

Dragonlord

18-11-2003, 01:00

o ruddess exei dwsei liga pramata logw ths heavy kateu8ynshs tou album,alla o,ti exei dwsei einai gamato.ta agaphmena mou plhktra se theater album apo otan efyge o moore.
epishs h8ela na pw pws fainetai na exoun katalavei to mege8os ths apwleias tou moore kai na kanoun kapoia pragmata sto diko tou styl,px ta mpolika pianakia kai ta "symfwnika" merh,ka8ws kai ta samples apo tainies

daydreamer

18-11-2003, 01:08

Πιθανώς να έχουμε ακούσει άλλο δίσκο...
Εμένα μου φαίνεται πως τα solos και οι όποιες instrumental-ιές του άλμπουμ είναι άρρηκτα συνδεδεμένες με το κάθε τραγούδι.
Τα φωνητικά πάλι, αν και συνεχίζω να έχω μια επιφύλαξη σε ότι αφορά τη φωνή του LaBrie όταν θέλει να ακουστεί σαν Hetfield και δεν τα καταφέρνει, δένουν απόλυτα με το κάθε τραγούδι... από που κι ως που ξεκρέμαστα;

Oso gia to oti einai poly metal kai de marese afto simainei oti den mou vgazoun oi Theater to metal feeling pou mou vgazoun alloi. Mou fenete ligo geloio na prospatheis na eisai kati pou den eisai.

Entaksei oloi kseroume oti oi DT einai metal, den xreiazotan na mas to apodiksoun

...χμ...

Επίσης το instumental τους είναι για μένα το καλύτερο τους instrumental κομμάτι και αυτό γιατί δεν είναι φτιαγμένο απλά και μόνο για επίδειξη, όπως ίσως το Dance Of Eternity...

Ποιους εννοείς σαβουροακροατές;

blue_limestone

18-11-2003, 12:17

To xtesino mou post itan orgismeno epidi vlepw oti ta aprosopa forums odigoun se katastaseis opou o kathenas vrizei kai poulaei magkia tzampa kai xwris na exei na pei kati.
Daydreamer den katalaves ti thelw na pw: lew oi Theater einai metal kai den xreiazete na mas to apodiksoun, ara giati paizoun les kai theloun na to traviksoun sta akra? Gia na poune osoi den tous thewrousan metal oti einai? Afto lew.
Kai san epakoloutho lew oti einai poly metal gia Theater kai den maresei na vgazoun afto to feeling to opoio den tous paei kai den einai kai o logos pou ginan gnwstoi sto katw katw. An theloun na paizoun opws ena opoiodipote metal group dikaiwma tous, egw den tha tous akolouthisw, kai afto den simainei tipota, eimai meiopsifia apoti fainetai...
Kai ontas megalos opados tous, eixa pei oti an vgaloun kati pou de maresei tha to pw prwtos, alla apoti fainetai merikoi den kserw ti provlima exoun arxizoun ta kantilia xwris logo kai moirazoun efxes tou styl "gamaei".
Mousika krinwntas to gia mena einai katwtero twn allwn diskwn kai afto einai i megaliteri apogoitefsi. Stin teliki xestika an einai metal i oxi. An vgazan ena disko pio pop opws to falling oi timites tous tha trexan prwtoi na tous vrisoun, enw twra lene oti gamane...
Emena me noiazei pou mousika den plirei ta ipsila standrads tous.-

Dragonlord

18-11-2003, 13:13

emena de me noiazei an einai pop h metal,to 8ewrw kalytero apo to falling px pou aneferes.me thn idia logikh tou "giati paizoun les kai theloun na to traviksoun sta akra? Gia na poune osoi den tous thewrousan metal oti einai?" mporei kapoios na pei oti px sto space-dye vest,sto wait for sleep kai sto dissappear paizan les kai h8elan na to travh3oun sta mh-metal akra,prospa8wntas na peisoun kai mh metallades akroates.einai ola stoixeia twn dream theater,opws eipa kai pio prin th mia fora tonizoun mia pleura ths mousikhs tous,thn allh kapoia allh..pantws me tis liges mexri twra akroaseis to 8ewrw gamato gi'auto pou einai-elpizw na mhn to vare8w syntoma opws to nevermore

FIXXXER

18-11-2003, 15:06

Gamata kai ta Endless Sacrifice, In The Name Of God, This Dying Soul, kai ola ta kommatia tou CD, alla brosta se ena Trial Of Tears i ena Finally Free, i akoma ki ena Misunderstood ti na mas poun...

daydreamer

18-11-2003, 15:28

Μπροστά στο Trial Of Tears μου λένε πιο πολλά!! Αλλά γούστα είναι αυτά! :wink:

Βασικά όντως προσπάθησαν να είναι πιο metal, αλλά το κατάφεραν!! Δεν είμαι μεταλας...
Πάντως blue limestone, έχω την εντύπωση (για να μην πω σιγουριά) πως σε λίγο καιρό θα έχεις αλλάξει άποψη και θα σου αρέσει.

Σε σχέση με το Falling Into Infinity το θεωρώ ανώτερο, και όχι επειδή το FII είναι pop (ήμαρτον!).

FIXXXER

18-11-2003, 17:14

Nai, otan kati den to katalavainoun merikoi to vaftizoun pop giati tous voleuei na fainontai pio psagmenoi kai gamatoi.

blue_limestone

19-11-2003, 11:58

An kai to thema mas den einai to FII tha anaferthw se afto. Pisteyw oti einai to pio emporika prosanatolismeno album twn Theater. Den exei polles heavy kithares, exei polla irema kommatia se analogia me allous diskous. Exei to "You not me" to opoio einai o orismos tou pop komatiou. Den to eksetazw apo tin apopsi tou an maresei i oxi. Diladi den maresei kati epeidi einai pop i metal i alternative. Oi perissoteroi omws exoun afto to eswteriko agxos na einai true. Syptwma tou metal koinou. Kata 99% den maresei i pop mousiki simera giati einai xalia apoles tis apopseis. Wstoso i pop mousiki tou 80 itan aksiologi kai exei afisei kommatia pou akougontai efxarista simera, se antithesi me ta simerina pop idols pou den afinoun tipota para mono gia 1-2 xronia kai afto logo proothisis kai plisis egkefalou apo ta mesa.
Twra oson afora to heavy styl tou Train of Thought, de me xalase i mousiki i idia kathws ta riffakia skizoun polles fores, oute genika san synolo mousikwn pou sigoura ta spane ola, alla me xalasan ta fonitika pou oso ta akouw toso me eknevrizoun! O Labrie den mporei na tragoudisei agressive kai na akougetai kala, prepei na tragoudaei alliws, pws na to kanoume twra, den kolaei, kai ta effe pou tou vazoun sta teleytaia 2 albums emena mou lene polla. Episis ta polla instrumental simeia mou lene polla. Skeftomai wres wres oti oi alloi ton exoun strimwksei..krima giati prosvpika twn trewrw fonara alla exei kanei ta lathi tou stis epiloges tou pos tha tragoudaei. Den thelw na vgazei korones opws sto I&W kai exei piesei ti foni tou poly kai exei psiloprovlimata me aftin twra.
Makari na mporousa me 2-3-4 akroaseis parapanw na ton ektimisw perissotero, alla den ginetai me tipota. Me xalaei pou exoun parei stoixeia apo klassika metal groups kai ta exoun valei sti mousiki tous oxi mpoliasmena kai diakritika alla entona kai polles fores eknevristika profani. Den maresei o tropos pou exoun kanei ta kommatia pompodi kai epivlitika alla me eksezitimeno tropo. Kravgalea tha elega, opws kai sto 6DOIT exoun mia "epiki" diastasi pou se kourazei kai einai san theloun na se kerdisoun me tin "entasi" tous kai oxi me tin aksia tous opws paliotera mi kravgalea kommatia. Kala tha mou peite pompwdi kai me fanfares kommatia eixan apo palia oi DT, nai alla 1 den kollouses safto kai 2 itan poly anwtera sinthetika kai den se xalouse afto, antithetos se eftiaxne.
Episis me xalaei pou exoun afti tin epistrofi stis rizes toy metal pou den mporw na pw oti einai simadi ygeias gia ena prog sigkrotima. Episis de mou fainetai simadi ygeias na exoun orimasei mousika kai na theloun akoma na ta "spane ola".
Me xalaei pou o foveros Rudess exei paragkonistei giati ta to yliko einai heavy kai den xoraei...einai sa na paizoun me 3 sto megalitero meros kai afto einai aparadekto gia tous DT. O Rudess to mono pou kanei einai na gemizei ta kena metaksy twn heavy simeiwn kai na anevokatevenei skales? E oxi, den to thewrw mousikothta afto.
Merika solos tou Petrucci einai aparadekta, paizei 1000 notes to lepto, entypwsiazei alla mousika einai poly ftwxa, apolyta provlepsima kai thimizoun solos apo kapoion pou apla kanei epidiksi.
Gia ola ta parapanw kai gia alla thewrw to TOT twn xeirotero dikso DT pou apogoitevse pollous Die hard opadous tous, opws emena alla kai alla 6-7 atoma pou kserw ta opoia eixan aneksartita apo mena tin idia apopsi panw katw. Mou fainetai oti poly fans apogoiteftikan alla alloi pali entousiastikan. De tha pw tipota gia aftous pou tous arese, einai kali fasi na saresei kati den thelw na to xalasw, apla nomizw oti kathe opados tous tha prepei na tous krinei akoma pio afstira, oi idioi ethesan ton pixi psila...

Dragonlord

19-11-2003, 13:31

proswpika hmoun para poly epifylaktikos gia to disko,toso pou eixa pei pws 8a to akousw kai an den to 8ewrhsw kati idiaitero de 8a to agorasw.ok einai h gnwmh sou kai einai sevasth alla egw den ta vlepw ola auta ta arnhtika.
kai diafwnw kai gia th sygxronh pop,oi tatu,shakira,robbie williams kai kapoioi alli koitane sxedon sta isa poiotika ta 80s

symposium_lexotanil

20-11-2003, 18:34

axaxaxaxax ma einai kathysterimenos o anthropos
blue limestone pare na akouseis kai to train of thought apo dream theater.auto tha saresei sigoura

spacedyevest83

21-11-2003, 03:47

:shock: Hmmm nai ok.

Gamata kai ta Endless Sacrifice, In The Name Of God, This Dying Soul, kai ola ta kommatia tou CD, alla brosta se ena Trial Of Tears i ena Finally Free, i akoma ki ena Misunderstood ti na mas poun...

Kai ego gi auto den eimai tis apopsis oti to ToT einai albumara...Mono na katseis na skefteis poses tragoudares exoun grapsei oi theater,apogoiteuesai apo tis kainouries sinthetikes prospatheies,oi opoies fisika kai den einai asximes (eidika an sigrinoume me to ipoloipo fasma tis "metal" mousikis einai korifees tha elega :roll: ) alla den mporo na tis valo se kammia periptosi pio psila apo tis proigoumenes douleies tous.Den exei na kanei an einai metal i oxi,apla den theoro ta kainouria tous tragoudia kai toso fovera sinthetika se sxesi me ta paliotera & sigoura elaxista eos katholou prototipa.Kala mallon afto den xalaei kai poli kosmo,alla prosopika metraei poli gia mena.

Buddy Lackey

21-11-2003, 14:10

tote as akoume mono to master of puppets apo metallica, kai oxi kai to black album, mono to 7th son apo maiden, kai oxi kai to piece of mind, kai mono to rage for order apo ryche, kai oxi to empire

FIXXXER

21-11-2003, 14:14

Re blue limestone, eipame, to album isos den einai to kalutero ton Theater alla esu to gamises.... san na milas gia to proto tous album einai. hahahaha

Anywayz, to mono pou de me xalaei oute se ena simeio sto disko einai o Labrie. Ma oute se ena simeio omos.

Phoebus

23-11-2003, 16:37

Lyrics? :( :puke:

fysika anaferomai ston MP o opoios prepei sobara na skeftei ti kanei sthn mpanta... drums paizei, ayto einai telika pou dinei ston kosmo... den prokeitai pote na ton thymomaste gia tis "skhnothetikes" tou dynatothtes... Afhnw kata meros to an thewrw thn mousikh pia epithdeymenh... Opote thelei grafei me poihtikh "dhthen" glwssa kai opote thelei grafei me profanity me to kai kala "angry" yfos. Dhladh eleos... ta idia kai gia ton JP se faseis, an kai telika einai o monos pou telika grafei kati afou to exei kapws analysei para san ton MP pou egrapse tous stixous tou Honor Thy Father meta apo mia meshmerianh siesta, phge sthn kouzina, phre ena kommati xarti kai ena molybi, eftiakse ena santouits me mortadela kai magioneza kai arxise na grafei gia mia eikonikh sxesh me ton patera tou enw htan mpoukwmenos kai ta salamia kai oi saltses peftane panw sto xarti kai ta eblepe kai gelage (meta epine kai 1 koutaki koka kola kai reyotan enw diabaze tis ahdies pou eixe grapsei)... Gia tetoio bathos milame stous stixous...

Telika skeftomai oti oi DT mporoun na apodwsoun enan disko pou antikeimenika tha GAMAH mono otan doulepsoun katw apo piesh... Grace under pressure tha elegan kapoioi. Oxi oti kallitexnika yphrxe kathodhghsh apo tis palies tou diskografikes, apla twra pou exoun toso megalh eleytheria katapiezoun kai ton akroath logw tou onomatos tous... Dhladh egw pou tosa xronia akouw theater kai bgainei enas diskos o opoios nai men mousika einai para poly kalos (fysika gia ta epipeda twn theater, yparxei pantelhs elleipsh bathous stis syntheseis) kai stixourgika... mhn xarakthrisw... egw anagkazomai ws die hard fan na ton parw... Den einai oti den exw ta lefta, apla thelw na epigkentrwthw sto ekshs. An den blepate to onoma theater mprosta tha agorazate ton disko? Egw proswpika OXI, protimw na ton katebasw giati poly apla den ton thewrw disko pou h mousikh istoria pou tha grapsei aksizei na ton exw sthn diskothhkh mou (oxi oti bebaia oloi oi diskoi mou aksizoun kai einai pragmatika kaloi, apla oi diskoi twn theater ola ayta ta xronia exoun thn dikh tous gwnia...).

An parablepw olous aytous pou lene "to ToT einai gtp" kai dw poioi lene oti gamah... poioi einai aytoi? Paw sto official forum twn DT kai milaw kai blepw oti to 90% aytwn pou lene oti gamah einai NEOI opadoi. Milame gia atoma pou o prwtos diskos pou akousan einai to SDoIT... 'h kai to ToT. Oi palioi opadoi, toulaxiston ena megalo pososto tous, einai apogohteymenoi, oxi giati telika oi theater grapsane enan kako disko (ayto einai poly dyskolo giati kaka ta psemmata, ta atoma kseroun na grafoun kalh mousikh), apla giati telika oi DT DEN prwtotyphsan, DEN ekanan kainotomies (mhn mou pei kaneis gia tis rapping ahdies), DEN ekanan kati pragmatika aythormhto(na dw dhladh pws tha eniwthe o rudess an telika den ekane ta proswpika tou album), kai telika ANTI na dhmiourghsoun tis nees taseis, TIS AKOLOUTHOUN.

Kai an kapoios problhmatisthke gia ton an oi DT dinoun telika to 100% tou eaytou tous... egw proswpika den nomizw oti to kanoun... Oxi oti kanoun kai ta apeira proswpika album o kathenas (mono o rudess einai aytos, alla einai kai 50 xronwn anthrwpos) kai na mporesw na pw oti dioxeteyoun thn energeia tous allou, apla telika mou dinoun thn entypwsh telika oi Dream Theater oti einai oi Mike Portnoy, John Myung, John Petrucci, Jordan Rudess kai (sthn afaneia sthn ousia, alla prwtos stis promo pics opws epiballei h moda) James LaBrie, anti na einai ena synolo, oi Dream Theater.

Ayta pros to paron...

FIXXXER

23-11-2003, 17:01

Eisai theos re Phoebus.... an kai ta les polu xontra, giati kaneis to ToT na fainetai ena apotuximeno diskaki pou de tha to thumatai kaneis se 3 xronia eno den einai etsi, alla i alitheia einai oti ki ego san semi-palios fan ton Theater perimena na vgaloun kati PROTOTUPO kati ENTELOS KAINOTOMO kai mono auto den evgalan....de peirazei omos. Ti na kanoume.

Buddy Lackey

23-11-2003, 17:55

Sigoura pantws den tha ksereis pote an kapoios dinei to 100% tou eaftou tou 'h oxi .
oson afora to osoi lene oti "gamaei" einai neoi opadoi, des afto to forum gia paradeigma, poioi lene oti "GAMAH" kai pioi oxi.
isa isa , egw nomizw to antitheto apo afta pou nomizeis esi, afou epeidh to "ToT" exei kati stigmes ENTELWS images and words, kanei palious opadous poli efxaristimenous.
ama koitakseis tin MOUSIKI kai mono tin MOUSIKI tou "ToT" den ginetai na min diloseis oti "GAMAH" etsi apla, kai egw perimena kati poli perisotero peiramatiko, alla siga min kathomai na gkriniazw, iparxoun ta panta= melwdiares, riffares, fwnitika gamata,empnefsh... opote den iparxei anagki na skeftw kati pou mporei kai na me enoxlouse.
mexri kai to "as i am" maresei pleon pou stin arxi to theorousa metrio (paramenei to ligotero kalo tou abum vevaia).
kai min kaneis katagrafh twn DT fans apo to forum tous , an pas afti ti stigmi sto official forum twn Nevermore, tha nomizeis oti oi Nevermore einai clowns gia paidia nipiagogiou (o Panos kai o Nikodimos kseroun)

Dragonlord

23-11-2003, 18:43

oi stixoi einai amesoi kai dynatoi,opws kai h mousikh.opws prepei

they've been trying
to justify you
in the end they will
just defy you

Dragonlord

23-11-2003, 18:50

ps:to honor they father den anaferetai se "eikonikh sxesh" tou portnoy me ton patera tou.me ton patera tou exoun poly kales sxeseis-to kommati anaferetai ston patrio tou.gia mena stixourgika einai to dyers eve twn theater (moiazei kai sthn eisagwgh kai kati mou leei pws den egine kata la8os)
overall mallon protimw stixourgika to tot apo to scenes px

Phoebus

23-11-2003, 20:55

Nai, fysika kai ta paei mia xara me ton patera tou, ayto to hksera, ayto pou den hksera einai oti ta paei xalia me ton patrio tou... pou kai pali... ntaks, den poulas kati tetoio. Den kaneis kommati gia na ta xwseis ston patrio sou kai na tou les oti tha pethanei monos kai erhmos kai oti exei pathetic little plans :)

Dhladh ELEOS...

Oso gia to an oi stixoi genikotera einai amesoi... den to nomizw ayto. Einai prospatheia na einai amesoi, alla telika katalhgoun na leitourgoun opws leitourgoun ola ta amerikanika slogan propagandas pou ek prwths opseos exoun nohma alla telika den exoun kanena kai apla sou dhmiourgoun mia entypwsh. "Drink the scotch", "Eat the burger", "Take me as I am".

Paparia dhladh, apogohteyomai PLHRWS, giati pantote thewrousa tous stixous twn theater poihsh, kai fysika OXI amesous. Htan stixoi pou panta htan food for thought... pou tous akouges, kai tha ystera kathosoun kai tous metefrazes opws htheles, kai fysika eixa thetikh epirroh panw sou. Twra peite mou eseis ENAN stixo apo to ToT (afhste to ITNOG eksw giati ayto KAPWS exei nohma) kai breite mou to kai kala "ameso" nohma tou. Ma fysika kai den yparxei nohma. Mhpws me to As I Am oi DT theloun na poun stous opadous amesa "den kseroume ti kserete gia mas, alla emeis twra etsi eimaste kai ama sas aresoume"? Kati san 50 Cent kai Snoop Dog na tragoudane P.I.M.P. kai gkomenakia me byzares na xoreyoun gyrw gyrw.

To those who understand
I extend my hand
to the doubtful I demand
Take me as I am

<metafrash>
Elate neoi opadoi (16xrona pou thelete na akousete kai kala "heavy" mousikh)
na paroume ta lefta sas
kai seis palioi opadoi
bgalte ta brakia sas
(giati apla eimaste oi theater kai mporoume na sas gamhsoume apo ton kwlo kai den prepei na bgalete kai tsimoudia)
</metafrash>

Tha mporousa na epektathw kai sthn mousikh bebaia, pws dhladh oi stixoi ephreazoun thn mousikh, alla dystyxws m'aresei h mousikh tou ToT kai den exw epixeirhmata :p

Ayta pros to paron, paw na etoimastw gia to party twn Pilgrims

Buddy Lackey

23-11-2003, 21:03

katse re twra giati tha trellathw
oi stixoi tou "another day" ti to mh ameso exoun?
h tou "learning tou live", "space dye vest", "the spirit carries on " ?
psaxnete gia psilous staxira i think
kai gia thn ermhneia sou stous stixous tou "as i am" nomizw oti les malakies

Phoebus

23-11-2003, 21:36

ti les re buddy, otan esy diabazes falling through pages katalabes ti ennoouse?

'h once i reached for love and now i reach for life?

'h they took pictures of our dreams, run to hide behind the stairs?

Den psaxnw psilous sta axyra, kai ayta pou sou lew den einai entypwseis mono apo to ToT. O Mike exei dhmiourghsei mia nootropia (h opoia exei perasei kai sta ypoloipa melh) thn opoia den tha katsw na sthn ekshghsw, apla ntrepomai gia logariasmo tou (ola arxisan basika apo thn mera pou ekane dhlwseis gia to thema ths 11hs septembriou, kai epeita gia to afghanistan kai ton polemo sto iraq, pragma pou deixnei oti telika einai PLHRWS anhmerwtos kai telika malakas, alla me thn xontrh ennoia) kai peran aytou polla exoun eipwthei gia to an telika einai progressive drummer 'h oxi, gia to an mporei na paiksei mousikh gia to kommati kai oxi gia ton eayto tou ktl ktl, kai den thelw na afhsw kai ap'eksw to gegonos oti phge arxes 2003 kai epaikse sto modern drummer festival kai anarwtiemai me ti moutra bghke ekei... mhn anaferw kai to gegonos oti ekane kai disko me ton allo afelh malaka, ton Neal Morse, pou o idios o Neal leei sto proswpiko tou online hmerologio oti o MP to PLHRWSE gia na paiksei ena sygkekrimeno gyrisma sta drums se ena shmeio pou o Neal den hthele... ntaks einai kai polla polla alla pou nomizw den ksereis, alla apo proswpikh sou empeiria otan eixame brethei prin kati xronia sto party tou infinite dreams kai eixe erthei o portnoy kai ekeinh thn periodo tou eixes pei gia to sxolio peri "cheeseryche"... ayto htan apla h arxh mias stadiakhs allaghs nootropias kai symperiforas tou MP pros olous, poso mallon pros tous opadous, pou otan eixe o MP apofasisei na dhmiourghsei ta "official" bootlegs apo to archive tou, kai merikoi eixan bgei sto forum twn theater "o mike to kanei ayto giati thelei allh mia fora na mas ta parei" kai bghke o idios o MP sto official forum (zhthma na exei kanei ekei 10-20 posts) kai leei kati se yfos "egw ftaiw re kwlopaidia pou sas skeftomai kai thelw na bgalw pragmata na akousete"... ta project tou stous transatlantic, h periodeia tou m'aytous, to live(!!!!!!!!) cd pou ekane mazi tous, to DVD(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) mazi tous (se synergasia ayta me ton Neal Morse) kai POLLA alla... Ta sxolia tou, oi synenteykseis tou... ola... Kai ola ayta ta ekane telika giati eixe dhmiourghthei ena apisteyta pisto fanbase. Kai to ekmetalleythke...

Tespa oso gia thn metafrash tou As I Am einai profanes oti kanw plaka, mhn ta pairneis ola toso katakarda. Ama thes omws pragmatika na sou pw thn alhtheia, POTE oi theater gia mena sthn eyrwpaikh agora (pou ekei sthn ousia exoun kai tous pio die hard opadous tous-giati fysika oi theater sthn mousikh tous eixan ws epi twn pleistwn "eyrwpaika" stoixeia) den xreiasthkan to gamato opener opws to eipe kai o idios o MP to As I Am oute xreiazontai TWRA na anoixtoun se ena neo koino... Thewrw thn mousikh epithdeymenh, NAI mporei na thn goustarane, mporei na thn skefthkane 300000000 wres, mporei na kanan o,ti thes, to thema einai oti den paizoun kati neo wste na mou kanoun ta sagonia na pesoun (kai den milaw texnika, yparxoun 5234895724895 diaforetikes mpantes pou einai 483920489302 pio texnikoi apo tous DT) kai parapera otan epistrepsw mporw na sou epektathw gia to an to internet kai genikotera olh ayth fash exei ephreasei thetika thn mousikh twn DT, giati paromoia pragmata me ayta pou ginontai twra eginan kai gia to SDoIT... ktl ktl ktl

Kai telika ola ayta na pou apotypwnontai sthn ousiastikoterh dhmiourgia tou MP, tous Dream Theater, san HLITHIOI toulaxiston stixoi, stixoi pou tha eprepe na grapsei to kakopoihmeno 18xrono paidi, oxi enas anthrwpos pou einai 30+, phge kai spoudase sto berkeley, kai apo ta 16 tou eixe ta fragka na exei ena drum kit oso megalo htan to purple monster... kai meta na erxetai na mou leei gia ton patrio tou or whatever. Oxi den to dexomai. Eilikrina.

Oso kai an m'exoun aggiksei oi stixoi tou merikes fores px ACoS, The Mirror ka telika niwthw oti o MP grafei pia epithdeymena, kai stixous kai mousikh, to yfos tou genikotera... ola. Me exei kourasei. Kai thewreitai kai o spokesman ths mpantas... fantasou dhladh.

Tespa, ayto to mhnyma to exei parei o Mike, elpizw na allaksei, giati etsi opws pane oi DT tha xasoun oxi logw mousikhs alla logw symperiforas tous to palio tous fanbase, ta atoma pou tous akoune apo to 89...

Ayta, prepei OPWSDHPOTE na fygw, tha arghsw!
Makia

Dimitra

23-11-2003, 21:59

An den blepate to onoma theater mprosta tha agorazate ton disko?

NAI!! Me xilia! Kai gia mena kai ta dika mou gousta aksizei ta lefta tou ws to teleutaio lepto!
Oso gia ti...metafrasi tou As I am an thes akou ti diki mou optiki : Osoi katalabainoun ti mousiki tous poreia as akolouthisoun, oi upoloipoi (blepe : doubtful) as sunexisoun na agorazoun ta album mono gia to onoma (Theater)
Se oti afora stous stixous, sorry alla den nomizw oti einai o kathenas se thesi na krinei tous stixous tou kathe kallitexni. Pes oti stamatisan na SE ekfrazoun, na tautizesai mautous, na sou kanoun aisthisi anyway, alla auto isxuei mono gia sena. Den mporeis na ksereis tin psychologia tou Portnoy h tou Petrucci h opoioudipote allou otan tous egrafe. Stin teliki, o kathenas lambanei tous stixous diaforetika kai tous dinei diaforetiko noima kai ermineia. Auto einai kathara upokeimeniko kai den mporeis pote na eisai sto mualo autou pou tous grafei.
Auta pros to paron.... :roll:

Dragonlord

24-11-2003, 00:35

auto akrivws.dld ki egw pou tous akouw apo to 97 ki exw parakolou8hsei thn poreia tous,giati mou fainetai to pio logiko vhma h kykloforia enos tetoiou album?mou fainetai apla pws thn exeis dei strava th fash giati opws eipa kai pio panw oute oi stixoi tou scenes htan tpt sovaro (mono h kentrikh idea htan pane3ypnh) alla den eida na paraponiountai polloi.

oso gia auta pou les gia to modern drummer,elpizw na mhn einai alh8eia giati an epalh8eutei pws o portnoy den einai o pio gamisteros progressive drummer ston kosmo den 3anakouw theater :roll: :roll:

Elfstone

24-11-2003, 02:28

Den thn katalavainw olh auth thn grinia...Oi Dream Theater paizoun epithdeumena edw kai poly kairo. Pisteuete einai dyskolo na paikseis authormhta? To antitheto. An pareis thn kithara kai ksyneis vgazeis authormitismo. To Falling Into Infinity htan epithdeumeno. To Scenes From A Memory epishs. Oi Dream Theater exoun thn polyteleia na apofasizoun ek twn proterwn ti tha paiksoun giati einai apla paixtarades. Kai mporei na mh kanoun kainotomies alla sigoura de paizoun ta idia kai ta idia.
Pantws to oti o Portnoy thn exei dei kai vgazei poly asxhmh eikona san amerikanaki einai alhtheia. Autes omws einai perittes entypwseis otan yparxei h mousikh...sigoura yparxoun kai pio gamatoi drummer apton Portnoy alla perimenw na tous dw sth diskografia ki oxi se drum festivals. Ws tote o Portnoy tha paramenei koryfaios kati pou tha enisxyei thn asxhmh symperifora tou.

Kingryche

24-11-2003, 02:55

Diafono katheta me ta osa leei o Phoebus.
Kai xoris afto na simainei aparnisi pros tous "toso palious" opadous ton Theater kalitera na xasoun 10 tetoious opadous kai na kerdisoun 1000 neous.
Opos exo pei kai sto album review kapou o Portnoy simmetexei se 3 katapliktikous kai diaforetikous diskous ToT,O.S.I. kai tou Neal Morse.An i poiotita ton diskon stous opoious simetasxei enas mousikos den ton krinoun os mousiko kai os kallitexni tote apo ti akrivos krinetai?
Sigoura iparxoun pio texnikoi drummers apo ton Portnoy kai pio texnikoi kitharistes apo ton Petrucci omos ego ksero pora paidia pou os efaltirio gia na arxisoun na paizoun kithara i drums eixan aftous tous 2 kai oxi tous pio texnikous.Kai stin teliki metraei to na balancareis anamesa stin texniki kai stin melodia kai afto oi Theater to katafernan panta para poli kala kai to idio o Portnoy.
Den me poliendiaferei o xaraktiras tou (an kai logikes krino tis opoies sinentefkseis tou exo diavasei).Me afti ti logiki polla pragmata den tha akougame...
Profanos aftoi pou ton kalesan na paiksei sto modern drummer kseroun perissotera apo emena kai esena.Oson afora ton Neal Morse ton theoro katapliktiko kai talantouxo mousiko kai den thimamai pote na exei prokalesei gia na ton valei kaneis sto mati.To oti akolouthei to prosopiko tou orama kai to pistevo tou den nomizo oti einai katakriteo.Alimono an katakrinoume kai tin eilikrinia.
Oson afora to stixourgiko tou talento den eipe kaneis oti einai o kaliteros stixourgos tou kosmou alla oi stixoi tou einai mia xara gamatoi.Exei kai kati sovaro na pei otan katapianetai me ena thema.Ok kai emena m'aresoun kai me ekfrazoun kalitera oi stixoi tou Gildenlow.So what?Tora dld einai kaliteroi oi stixoi pou den exoun ameso noima kai prepei na to psakseis?De nomizo...
Kathe fora pou ena sigrotima megalonei os onoma xalaei gia aftous pou tous akougan prin megalosoun.Ti sto kalo, gia na tous akoune kai alloi afto simainei oti xalasan, vazoun stoixeia gia na proselkisoun kosmo kai paizoun me tin noimosini mas.Panta afto ginetai?An oi Theater den aksizoun kai paizoun me ti noimosini mas, ti kanoun tote oi perissoteres mpantes?

Phoebus

24-11-2003, 06:07

Kingryche... ayto pou les... gia to an enas kallitexnhs krinetai MONO apo ayta pou parousiazei ston kosmo. H alitheia den einai einai etsi... FYSIKA kai den krinetai mono apo ayto. Kai gia na to katalabeis, tha sou ferw ena aploustato paradeigma pou paei sta akra gia na deis oti ayto pou les den isxyei. Pes oti egw goustarw enan mousiko... Estw X to onoma tou. Kai aytos o mousikos pes oti bgainei kai leei "Na skotwsoume olous tous mayrous".

Egw den prokeitai pote na ksanakousw mousikh apo ayton. Kai eimai kathetos s'ayto. Opws tha krinw enan poihth (pou ama thymasai otan anelyes to poihma enos poihth PANTA anaferosoun kai sthn proswpikh tou zwh) tha krinw kai ton mousiko.

H texnh den einai mono ta erga sou. H texnh einai mia stash zwhs.

H emporeymatopoihsh ths texnhs exei odhghsei s'ayth thn nootropia tou "xesthka ti leei kai ti kanei, h mousikh tou einai theikh kai goustarw". Mporeis na diabaseis opoiodhpote filosofiko biblio panw se themata texnhs, aisthitikismou ktl ktl kai tha to deis AKRIBWS oti einai etsi.

Alla peran aytou, tha to ektimousa na diabazate ta posts mou, den kathomai apla na grapsw 3 grammes, kanw oloklhrh analysh pou leei o logos. Pote den eipa oti oi stixoi tou ToT den einai amesoi. Einai epithdeymena "amesoi" alla fysika xwris kanena nohma, pou telika h amesothta tou mhnymatos pou thelei o MP 'h o JP na perasei telika... den yparxei. Akoma perimenw na mou peite kommati kai na mou analysete tous stixous...

Oso gia to an einai epithdeymeno 'h oxi mousika, nai einai, apla ennow oti ta atoma den paizoun kati apla gia na entypwsiasoun, alla telika akolouthoun mia grammh, kai ayto einai to megalytero lathos, giati POTE oi theater, kai to lew kathgorhmatika ayto kai opoios mporei an mou dwsei ENA, MONO ENA paradeigma, POTE den akolouthisan grammh (px na poun tha bgaloume kati pou tha einai heavy 'h classic 'h whatever).

P O T E.

Ta atoma apla paizan o,ti na'nai, ayto kanane Elfstone, den paizane epithdes texnika. Ama paizane epithdes texnika tote to Train of Thought tha htan ena synexes solo me 6hxa sto 180. Kai fysika den paizoun ta idia kai ta idia... apo album se album ennow. STO TRAIN OF THOUGHT PAIZOUN TA IDIA KAI TA IDIA. Apla bgalane "metal" disko. Kai to "metal" se eisagwgika les kai oi theater eixan anagkh na mas peisoun an mporoun na paiksoun metal... Oso gia ton MP kathara sto modern drummer... mallon den exeis dei ti esti modern drummer, ekei pragmatika o drummer mporei kai ksediplwnei to talento tou kai ekei pragmatika leei tis skepseis tou. Ekei einai pou mporei pio kathara na pei ayta pou thelei kai an ekfrastei san kallitexnhs, alla tespa to afhnw.

Pano, pote den sou eipa oti m'aresan oi stixoi tou scenes. Ama thymasai (mporei kai na hsoun mesa sto kanali) eixame ginei mpaxalo egw, dreamer kai scythe gia to an to scenes exei poiotikous stixous, kai gw fysika elega oxi. Kai eixame ginei mpaxalo kai ayto mporei na sto epibebaiwsei kai o dreamer kai o scythe. Oso gia to an sou fainetai logiko ayto to album na kykloforhsei twra... emena proswpika den mou fainetai... Dhladh panta eixa sto myalo mou oti oi DT argotera tha ginoun ena metal/fusion sxhma, kai fysika milaw gia wrimothta stis syntheseis, sta solos, stous stixous, sta panta...

Dimitra, den eimai agnwstikisths, oute prokeitai na ginw, giati m'ayta pou les tote kanenas den mporei na krinei kanenan giati kanenas den einai sto myalo tou allou. Sthn texnh yparxoun antikeimenika krithria, poso mallon sthn mousikh, se kati toso emporeymatopoihmeno. Kai mhn nomizeis oti oi DT ethesan m'ayto to neo album nea standards, giati DEN to ekanan. To antitheto malista, prosarmosthkan sta yparxonta. Makari dhladh na eftanan se ena mousiko epipedo pou tha elega "ok den mporw na krinw tous DT m'ayta pou kserw, akouw kati entelws neo". Ayto den exei ginei se kanena album tous sthn ousia.

Ayta loipon, sas parakalw diabazete ta posts mou, grafw tosa polla gia na eimai ksekatharos, oxi gia na dhmiourgw entaseis :) Den gkriniazw adika, oute eimai kapoios pou perimene me to ftyari to album (ayto mporeite na to deite se paliotera posts mou prin bgei to album) kai den bghka prwth mera kykloforias na pw san kati allous "To ToT einai GTP". Toso kairo o kosmos me rwtaei "re mlk foibo to ToT sou arese?" kai apantaw "re c den kserw einai periergo album". Koitaw antikeimenika to album kai genikotera thn poreia twn theater. Kai ANTIKEIMENIKA kai ayto einai ADIAMFISBHTHTO oi theater den ekanan oute sto elaxisto mia prospatheia KAINOTOMIAS. Paiksane dhladh mono ena kalo instrumental me ena nintendo section kai kati trexei sta gyftika...

Loipon, ayta. Epanerxomai se kamia bdomada afou to akousw alles 54289483290 fores to album. Mexri tote anti na bgeite kai na peite "oxi foibo exeis lathos" apla kathiste kai skefteite ayta pou eipa. Isws yperballw se merika shmeia (fysika kai den ennow ayto pou eipa me to santouits), alla apla thelw na perasw ena mhnyma across.

Kalo brady, 'h mallon kalhmera sas (5:07 am)

marianna2525

24-11-2003, 15:05

otan megalosete, kai afou ehete zisei katastaseis apo evdomo ourano eos evdomo ypogeio, tote tha katalavete tous stihous tou t.o.t.

Dragonlord

24-11-2003, 15:37

Alla peran aytou, tha to ektimousa na diabazate ta posts mou, den kathomai apla na grapsw 3 grammes, kanw oloklhrh analysh pou leei o logos. Pote den eipa oti oi stixoi tou ToT den einai amesoi. Einai epithdeymena "amesoi" alla fysika xwris kanena nohma, pou telika h amesothta tou mhnymatos pou thelei o MP 'h o JP na perasei telika... den yparxei. Akoma perimenw na mou peite kommati kai na mou analysete tous stixous...
floup.endless sacrifice,o petrucci milaei gia tis 8ysies pou exei kanei gia na einai full-time mousikos-sygkekrimena gia ta diasthmata pou einai makria apo th gynaika tou kai ta paidia tou

Oso gia to an einai epithdeymeno 'h oxi mousika, nai einai, apla ennow oti ta atoma den paizoun kati apla gia na entypwsiasoun, alla telika akolouthoun mia grammh, kai ayto einai to megalytero lathos, giati POTE oi theater, kai to lew kathgorhmatika ayto kai opoios mporei an mou dwsei ENA, MONO ENA paradeigma, POTE den akolouthisan grammh (px na poun tha bgaloume kati pou tha einai heavy 'h classic 'h whatever).

P O T E.
flap.mhn pame makria,xilioeipwmeno paradeigma:"You Not Me",oi theater stis synenteu3eis tou sfam dhlwnan pws auto to kommati vghke etsi epeidh h etairia tous h8ele na vgaloun kati pou na paixtei sto radiofwno-e3 ou kai h synergasia me ton desmond child

Ta atoma apla paizan o,ti na'nai, ayto kanane Elfstone, den paizane epithdes texnika. Ama paizane epithdes texnika tote to Train of Thought tha htan ena synexes solo me 6hxa sto 180. Kai fysika den paizoun ta idia kai ta idia... apo album se album ennow. STO TRAIN OF THOUGHT PAIZOUN TA IDIA KAI TA IDIA. Apla bgalane "metal" disko. Kai to "metal" se eisagwgika les kai oi theater eixan anagkh na mas peisoun an mporoun na paiksoun metal...
giati,eixan anagkh na mas peisoun oti mporoun na pai3oun otidhpote?me auth th logikh na mhn 3anavgaloun disko.to oti aplws goustaran auto to approach fainetai kai apo tis diaskeues pou kanan prosfata sta master of puppets kai number of the beast

Pano, pote den sou eipa oti m'aresan oi stixoi tou scenes. Ama thymasai (mporei kai na hsoun mesa sto kanali) eixame ginei mpaxalo egw, dreamer kai scythe gia to an to scenes exei poiotikous stixous, kai gw fysika elega oxi. Kai eixame ginei mpaxalo kai ayto mporei na sto epibebaiwsei kai o dreamer kai o scythe. Oso gia to an sou fainetai logiko ayto to album na kykloforhsei twra... emena proswpika den mou fainetai... Dhladh panta eixa sto myalo mou oti oi DT argotera tha ginoun ena metal/fusion sxhma, kai fysika milaw gia wrimothta stis syntheseis, sta solos, stous stixous, sta panta...
ekei hmoun.gia mena to tot einai to pio wrimo tous album.wrimothta stous stixous gia sena shmainei "grafoume poihsh me 7645 metafores/paromoiwseis se ka8e strofh"?yparxei auth h proseggish,yparxei kai h pio straight-se auto to album epele3an th deuterh kai to kanoun gamata imo

Dimitra, den eimai agnwstikisths, oute prokeitai na ginw, giati m'ayta pou les tote kanenas den mporei na krinei kanenan giati kanenas den einai sto myalo tou allou. Sthn texnh yparxoun antikeimenika krithria, poso mallon sthn mousikh, se kati toso emporeymatopoihmeno. Kai mhn nomizeis oti oi DT ethesan m'ayto to neo album nea standards, giati DEN to ekanan. To antitheto malista, prosarmosthkan sta yparxonta. Makari dhladh na eftanan se ena mousiko epipedo pou tha elega "ok den mporw na krinw tous DT m'ayta pou kserw, akouw kati entelws neo". Ayto den exei ginei se kanena album tous sthn ousia.
den eipe kaneis pws e8esan nea standards,apla auto pou paizoun einai gamato.auto den einai to nohma?sthn poutsa mou ama einai prwtoporoi,oi theater yphr3an prwtoporoi arketes fores-opws eipes ki esy pio prin,den exoun na apodei3oun tipota se kanenan

Ayta loipon, sas parakalw diabazete ta posts mou, grafw tosa polla gia na eimai ksekatharos, oxi gia na dhmiourgw entaseis :) Den gkriniazw adika, oute eimai kapoios pou perimene me to ftyari to album (ayto mporeite na to deite se paliotera posts mou prin bgei to album) kai den bghka prwth mera kykloforias na pw san kati allous "To ToT einai GTP". Toso kairo o kosmos me rwtaei "re mlk foibo to ToT sou arese?" kai apantaw "re c den kserw einai periergo album". Koitaw antikeimenika to album kai genikotera thn poreia twn theater. Kai ANTIKEIMENIKA kai ayto einai ADIAMFISBHTHTO oi theater den ekanan oute sto elaxisto mia prospatheia KAINOTOMIAS. Paiksane dhladh mono ena kalo instrumental me ena nintendo section kai kati trexei sta gyftika...
egw anti8eta perimena sxedon me to ftyari to album.mexri pote pisteues pws 8a eixan kainotomies se ka8e album,ka8e dyo xronia dld?ftasame sto evdomo theater album,an8rwpoi einai ki autoi.kai sthn telikh,xwris na lew pws einai apeira prwtotypo auto pou paizoun shmera,sas prokalw na mou vreite estw kai enan (1) disko pou na moiazei me to ToT se ena pososto 60-70%,kati pou 8a dikaiologouse auta pou lete gia followers klp

warlord

24-11-2003, 15:47

:D ayto einai to proto post tou dragonlord pou symfono...
...paei xalase o kosmos...
den to antexo: LES MALAKIES :D

Elfstone

24-11-2003, 15:52

Ta atoma apla paizan o,ti na'nai, ayto kanane Elfstone, den paizane epithdes texnika. Ama paizane epithdes texnika tote to Train of Thought tha htan ena synexes solo me 6hxa sto 180. Kai fysika den paizoun ta idia kai ta idia... apo album se album ennow. STO TRAIN OF THOUGHT PAIZOUN TA IDIA KAI TA IDIA. Apla bgalane "metal" disko. Kai to "metal" se eisagwgika les kai oi theater eixan anagkh na mas peisoun an mporoun na paiksoun metal... Oso gia ton MP kathara sto modern drummer... mallon den exeis dei ti esti modern drummer, ekei pragmatika o drummer mporei kai ksediplwnei to talento tou kai ekei pragmatika leei tis skepseis tou. Ekei einai pou mporei pio kathara na pei ayta pou thelei kai an ekfrastei san kallitexnhs, alla tespa to afhnw.

Ti ennoeis otan les oti paizoun ta idia sto TOT? Oti den diaforopoihthikan apto prohgoumeno album h oti ola ta tragoudia einai idia sto album? Emena pou arkei pou exoun arketa nea stoixeia, akoma ki an auta legontai rap kai nu, wste na mh ginontai varetoi. Emena me endiaferei na pernaw kala akougontas mousikh. An kathomaste kai analyoume me to mikroskopio ti kanei kai ti prepei na kanei kathe mpanta, asto...
Oi Theater fysika den exoun anagkh na apodeiksoun tipota. Auto gia sena dhladh shmainei oti kathe album tous prepei kai kala na apotelei apodeiksh gia kati? Ksexnas oti sth teleutaia tous periodeia ksekolothikan na diaskeuazoun Maiden kai Metallica? Etsi tous kapnise loipon na vgaloun enan "metal" disko. To diko sou provlima pou einai edw?
Den exw dei ti esti modern drummer kai eilikrina den me endiaferei sto elaxisto giati den eimai mousikos, eimai akroaths. M'aresei ki o Gene Hoglan kai o Mark Zonder kai o Nick Barker kai o Portnoy. As vgaloun autoi pou emfanizontai sto modern drummer albums opws auta pou emfanisthkan autoi kai tha tous paradextw. Ws tote giati na me noiazei an einai kalyteroi apton Portnoy?

H emporeymatopoihsh ths texnhs exei odhghsei s'ayth thn nootropia tou "xesthka ti leei kai ti kanei, h mousikh tou einai theikh kai goustarw". Mporeis na diabaseis opoiodhpote filosofiko biblio panw se themata texnhs, aisthitikismou ktl ktl kai tha to deis AKRIBWS oti einai etsi.

OK pes mou oti kaneis plaka. Dhladh prepei na kanw seminario filosofias prin arxisw na akouw mousikh? H mhpws xreiazomai thn viografia tou kallitexnh gia na ektimhsw thn texnh tou? O monos mou endoiasmos se auto to thema einai sto oti de tha ithela na enisxyw oikonomika atoma pou den egkrinw. Atoma opws o Vikernes h o Benton pou mporei omws na mou aresei h mousikh tous. Akraies dhladh katastaseis. Diaforetika osoi asxolountai me polla parapanw apo thn texnh tou kallitexnh einai apla katines.

Dragonlord

24-11-2003, 16:50

dragonlord+warlord mia agaph gennietai

dreamer

24-11-2003, 18:08

Oi apopseis gia to ToT opws se ola ta themata allwste kymainontai apo to ena akro sto allo..kai eilikrina de kserw an mporw ontws na prosthesw kati sth syzhthsh pou den exei eipwthei apo kapoion allo hdh.
Aisthanomai omws thn anagkh na ekfrastw giati oi theater htane ena apo ta 3 sygrothmata apo to xwro tou metal pou mazi me tous guardian kai tous helloween,ezhsa kapoies apo tis pio entones stigmes ths efhvikhs mou hlikias kai oxi mono, kai gia afto to logo panta tha exoun mia eidikh thesh sth kardia mou. Zhtw syggnwmh prokatavolika gia to mhkos tou post.Ennoeitai pws ta parakatw einai imhhho kai oxi prospatheies epivolhs "antikeimenikwn" apopsewn.

a) Oi stixoi den einai pleon afto pou htane. Protimousa afto pou htane. Protimw dld ki egw thn poihsh apo ton pezo logo sth mousikh, gia ton idio logo pou protimw na exw to dikaiwma ths epiloghs apo to na mou serviroun kati sygkekrimeno estw kai an afto to sygkekrimeno einai gamato (pou sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh oute kan einai gamato gia mena): Thn poihsh th metafrazeis opws esy theleis kai mporeis, symfwna me ta dika sou viwmata, pragma pou de symvainei se antistoixo vathmo me ton pezo logo. Vlepe kai c)
b) Gia enan akoma disko, oi epirroes tous fainontai perissotero apo oso tha ithela. An kai se kathe disko tous ama ton akouges prosektika tha anagnwrizes epirroes, mou phre POLY perissotero xrono na diakrinw epirroes sto IAW px, para sto ToT. Afto se allous aresei, se mena pali oxi giati pistevw oti afto einai symptwma synthetikhs kopwshs kai prosfyghs se eukoles lyseis.
c) H synthetikh polyfwnia kai poikilia pou yphrxe mia epoxh pou sto sygrothma syneisferan praktika oloi, kai se ikanopoihtiko vathmo, den yparxei pleon. Stixourgika grafoun ousiastika 2 atoma mono, enw mia epoxh yphrxe plouralismos: Stis epoxes tou WDADU egrafan stixous to 100% tou sygrothmatos (akoma kai o dominici)... xwris na pw oti htane kalyteres epoxes, twra ftasame sto allo akro na grafei mono o portnoy kai o petrucci kata vash. Profanws afto voithaei sto na xeiroterevei h poiothta tou ylikou giati opws kai na to kaneis, prepei na eisai eilikrina spanio syggrafiko talento wste na grapseis stixous gia 3 cd worth of music (xwris na metrhsoume ta side projects) mesa se 2 xronia kai na yparxei kai ikanopoihtiko epipedo sto yliko.
Mousika twra, o rudess enw fainotan sto SfaM na prosdidei ta mala sto sygrothma, me arrangements, conducting, xorwdies, twra exei katalhksei na paizei perissotero rolo session mousikou pou prosthetei pinelies apo dw ki apo ekei para ws ousiastiko melos. De kserw an einai proswpikh epilogh h oxi, alla kai pali de mou aresei. O petrucci exei kollhsei to syndromo malmsteenismou pou panta ypevoske mesa tou. Isws o rudess na ton voithise na to bgalei, isws kati allo, alla gegonos einai oti pistevw pws exei xasei para poly feeling kai ousia gemizontas to dwmatio 32a sto 180 all the frigging time. O portnoy apla einai o synh8hs eaftos tou, pws na mhn einai allwste, afou aftos kata vash einai o band leader. O LaBrie mporw na pw oti se genikes grammes ekane kalh douleia sto disko, an eksairesw ta rap shmeia pou xwris na eimai kata ths rap, de nomizw oti kollane, alla panta htane aftos pou mallon telika prosexa ligotero (can you blame me?).
H euxaristh ekplhksh irthe apo ton myung pou EPITELOUS akougetai se ena disko kai paizei poly perissotero ta swsta pragmata sth swsth stigmh apo oti oi alloi.
An kai o diskos exei kapoies kales stigmes kai wraies melwdies, me apogohteuse. Mou fanhke arketa epithdeumenos se faseis me th logikh "twra tha valoume to unison keyboards/kithara pou tha paizoume me to nefti sto kwlo, meta to prog kopsimo, meta refrain" klp. Paradeigma xarakthristiko afths ths nootropias ta solo meta to 10:30 sto this dying soul. Anousia kai askopa teleiws, apo th dikia mou prooptikh. Pragma pou fanerwnei kai mia allh logikh pou deixnoun na efarmozoun: "prepei na kanoume to kommati pash thysia na pernaei to 10 minute mark", estw kai an telika to kommati arxizei kai xanei poiothta..

De kserw an afta pou thigw einai fainomena antikeimenika, h apla egw megalwnontas kai allazontas siga siga gousta ta anakalyptw enw yphrxan panta ekei.. gegonos omws einai oti ola ta pragmata kanoun ton kyklo tous kai yparxei akmh kai parakmh gia ta panta, estw kai ypokeimenika. Einai asteio na theloun oloi oi opadoi na apaitoun apo tous theater kai to kathe sygrothma na tous ikanopoiei synexws me kathe disko pou bgazoun, idiws th stigmh pou o,ti gia ton ena einai skata gia ton allo einai diamantia. Apla zhlevw ta atoma pou aisthanontai akougontas ta ToT o,ti aisthanomouna otan akouga egw to IAW, giati mou leipei afto to synaisthima kai etsi opws deixnoun ta pragmata de tha to ksanavrw pote apo tous theater.. :roll:

Phoebus

24-11-2003, 19:56

otan megalosete, kai afou ehete zisei katastaseis apo evdomo ourano eos evdomo ypogeio, tote tha katalavete tous stihous tou t.o.t.

umm what's your age again?

blue_limestone

24-11-2003, 22:31

Afto pou maresei sta forums einai i opadoi. Kravgazoun to dikio tou kaimenou tou kalitexni, kanoun to aspro mavro gia na vgei to atimo to 10ari sta 10. Zoun 10 zwes gia na katalavoun ton evdomo ourano kai peftoun ston 7 gremo.
Symfwnw se polla me Foivo kai Dreamer.
defteri vdomada pou prospathw na akousw to disko kai apotygxanw. Einai diki mou apotyxia? Mipos einai twn DT pou de me peisane, de me nikisane opws palia 'h mipos diki mou ypervolikis anagkis na akousw kati fovero apo afto to toso agapimeno mou sigkrotima. Ena einai sigouro, den mou arese. To giati de mou arese sikwnei poly sizitisi. Giati de mas aresoun ta pragmata, oi antrwpoi, oi apopseis? Mipos giati etsi exoume mathei, etsi exoume sinithisei, den exoume ekpaidesvsi oloi ton eafto mas na vlepei me parwpides kai na akouei me wtaspides oti theloume? Vevaia afto den einai 100%, alla se megalo pososto isxyei gia olous mas. Apo tis koinwnikes symvaseis, to ratsismo, mexri tin texni kai ti mousiki.
Oi DT mou mathane na apodexomai to metal oxi ws ekfrasi orgis kai efivikis trelas kai oti mporei na siniparxei me filosofikes anazitisis...to I&W leitourgei os desmos metaksi mousikis kai poihshs. Den lew oti einai TO ergo texnis stixourgika alla i mousiki denei apsoga me tous stixous kai oi stixoi einai lyrikoi kai opws exei ypothei den se petane sto pezodromio, partous na tous fas opws einai me moustarda kai tzatziki.
Edw sto TOT exoume na kanoume me...den kserw, mia prospatheia pou den apoferei karpous, emena mou fenetai steira...mousika sinousiazetai me oles tis notes tis ditikis mousikis alla den genaei paidia distixws...
Stixourgika de me agkizei kai parolo pou kontevw ta 24 thewrw anwrimo na grafeis sta 30fevga gia ton patrio sou. Mou thimizei ton Eminen... Sygnwmi alla apefthinontai se paidia? kai an nai na mas to deiksoun pio amesa giati den kserw mia to As I Am (pos?) mia to HTF kai nomizw oti pane na piasoun tous efivous pou twra anakaliptoun tous DT. Mou fainetai genika oti olo to TOT paei ena megalo vima pisw tou DT pou anti na ginontai pio poly se styl Grace Under Pressure ginontai Countreparts tis agoras tou metal. Nai aploi emporeftes tis mousikis, den exw agorasei to disko kai den kserw an tha to kanw telika, kai afto einai thlivero giati to WDADU pou einai pio straight metal to pira kai de to metaniwsa katholou! Malista to thewrw poly kalytero apo to TOT. Toulaxiston se afto to disko prospathoun...edw den prospathoun, afinoun to oxima na katigforisei sto dromo pou oi idioi aniksan pros tin korifi.
Oneirevomouna mia poreia pio pnevmatiki, pio wrimi kai mesti gia tous DT. Akoma kai to fovero Scenes einai ena mikro pisogyrisma...an parete tous diskous sti seira tha to deite. Vevaia otan mou to elege kapoios afto prin 2 xronia tou elega oti einai xazos, alla twra mallon aisthanomai egw xazos pou den katalava to kritirio tou....metal "epistrofi" xwris noima kai ousia.
Enas filos mou eipe oti to I&W kai to Awake pou itan metal den me xalousan. Nai alla afta ta 2 eixan ola ta stoixeia mesa kai den itan mono metal, eixan tin antithesi kai tin enalagi synaisthimatwn pou ta ekanan toso agapita.
Telika mipos megalwnontas krimounai pio afstira, de milaw gia poiotita oute gia posotita, einai kapoioi pou akoun para polla alla akoma epimenoun na kleinoun ta aftia sto diaforetiko...afto pou elega stin arxi peri parwpidwn. Gia paradeigma kai kleinw, oti exei na kanei me e- sti mousiki prokalei eksanmtimata sot proswpo kathe swstou metala. Afto skeftimai mono kai meta katalavenw giati arese toso to TOT.
Afta to kourasa...

sephiroth

25-11-2003, 01:09

Parakolouthw th suzhthsh apo thn arxh ths xwris na summetexw.
Ante na pw kai egw ta dika mou...
To TOT mou arese para polu. To disko ton xarhka giati htan kati pou to perimena duo xronia kai telika gia mena h anamonh aksize. Den epektinomai parapera se oti afora th mousikh giati den exw na parathesw epixeirhmata pou den exoun hdh grafei. To mono pou mporw na pw einai oti mou ARESE.
Twra oson afora tous stixous. Gia mena oi Theater se elaxista kommatia exaoune auto pou tha elege kapoios TROMEROUS stixous. Se arketa tragoudia eixane kalous kai sta upoloipa(oi 3 teleutaioi diskoi(nai, kai to SFAM), stixourgika einai megalh apogohteush gia mena...) O Petrucci einai ikanos na grafei stixous ekplhhktikous apo kathe apopsh(Scarred, Lines in the sand) alla kai teleiws paidariwdeis(About to crash px). Auto pou me enoxlei, einai oti ston stixourgiko tomea to TOT einai polu metrio(h apla den to exw katalabei akoma...).
Telws pantwn, to TOT ean ekserethoun oi stixoi einai diskara gia mena kai sigoura tha to akouw gia polu kairo akoma.

daydreamer

25-11-2003, 17:30

Σε ό,τι αφορά τους στίχους...

1. As I Am...Αδιάφοροι, αν ήταν όλο το album έτσι στιχουργικά, θα με χάλαγε πολύ.
2. This Dying Soul...Δεν μπορώ να τους κρίνω, αφού συνεχίζουν το στιχουργικό θέμα του The Glass Prison, αν και δεν με ικανοποίησαν όσο εκείνου.
3. Endless Sacrifice...Μου αρέσουν πολύ!
4. Honor Thy Father... Από τη στιγμή που ο Portnoy λέει ότι το έγραψε για τον πατριό του και αφού εκφράζει τα συναισθήματά του, δεν έχω να τον κατηγορήσω για κάτι, μου αρέσει η αμεσότητα τους. Δεν χρειάζεται πάντα να εκφράζεις κάτι μεταφορικά ή ποιητικά.
5. Vacant...Μια χαρά.
6. Stream Of Consciousness...ΓΑΜΑΤΟΙ!!! :P
7. In The Name Of God...όταν λέτε ότι δεν σας καλύπτει στιχουργικά το ΤοΤ δε νομίζω να εννοείτε αυτό το κομμάτι!!!

Σε ότι αφορά τα προηγούμενα δύο album τους, το SDOIT δεν μου έδωσε κάτι ιδιαίτερο, ενώ στο SFAM με ενθουσίασε ο τρόπος που γινόταν η διήγηση της ιστορίας. Αν δεις τους στίχους αυστηρά και μόνο με τα στιχουργικά κριτήρια (μλκια είπα τώρα! αλλά ελπίζω να καταλάβατε!) δεν θα είναι τίποτα το ιδιαίτερο, όμως λειτουργούν υπέροχα για την εξέλιξη του concept!!!

Dimitra

25-11-2003, 18:05

ehm...Basika den exw na prosthesw kati allo...apla ithela na pw oti i apantisi tou Dragonlord ston Phoebus me kalupse plirws! Sumfwnw apoluta me ola tou ta quotes!
Dragonlord, ta eipes ola! 8)

"Not under your command
I know where I stand
I won't change to fit your plan
Take me as I am"

Dragonlord

25-11-2003, 18:15

gamaw eimai 8eos!8a ta poume se kana meeting e :P<--3eligwmenos

FIXXXER

25-11-2003, 19:22

otan megalosete, kai afou ehete zisei katastaseis apo evdomo ourano eos evdomo ypogeio, tote tha katalavete tous stihous tou t.o.t.

umm what's your age again?

Asto de se pairnei. Kapou duo fores tin ilikia sou an kanoume stroggulopoiiseis. Kai tin dikia mou diladi. Sigoura pio konta sta 40 apoti esy sta 30. :P :P :P

Kala genika to exete xasei edo mesa. Ego eimai isos apo tous polu ligous pou auto to album oute me xetrelane oute me xalase. To exo pei vevaia, me xalase polu i nootropia, alla exei kali mousiki, kaneis de borei na to amfisvitisei auto kai kaneis de to kanei alloste. Ego pantos theoro Phoebus oti eisai gamo ta paidia giati eisai o protos edo mesa pou exei kati na pei me toso apoluto xaraktira stin apopsi tou, kai parola auta to kaneis exontas psaxei to thema ki oxi san malakas... opos oi perissoteroi Ellines apoti katalava. Na tora as poume, tha vgei kapoios kai tha pei oti eimai antipatriotis...autos pou to katalave diladis...

blue_limestone

25-11-2003, 23:03

Eisai antipatriotis 8)

epapsa na asxoloume me to album afto,
pame gi' alla.
Yparxoun poly kalytera pragmata na kaneis apo to na akous ena disko pou de saresei...opws to na akous ena disko pou saresei :D
Fixx tha se pigaina poly an den akouges metallica akoma (plaka kanw)
alla re paidi mou an kati den sou kanei kou kou, de se pathiazei tote den exeis logo na to thaveis i na to agapas, sou einai adiaforo, right?
Elpizw se kalyteres meres gia tous Dt alla de to vlepw :(
kala pote den ksereis..
tha ksanagirisei o Moore? :twisted:

P.S. Fixx exeis dei tin tainia tou Rob Zobie? Etyxe na tin dw,isws i pio arwsti tainia pou exw dei. "Pragamtevetai" an mporeis na to peis afto, psyxotikous dolofonous...des to an to vreis...den thimamai titlo twra sorry

Phoebus

26-11-2003, 01:00

Asto de se pairnei. Kapou duo fores tin ilikia sou an kanoume stroggulopoiiseis. Kai tin dikia mou diladi. Sigoura pio konta sta 40 apoti esy sta 30. :P :P :P

Dude, kserw oti einai 45 an den kanw lathos, and I was being sarcastic about it giati perimenw kapws pio leptomereis apanthseis apo megala atoma. Oxi epixeirhmata tou yfous "eisai mikros akoma gia na katalabeis ta megaleia tou album".

Thanx kai gi'ayta pou eipes buddy :)

Kingryche

26-11-2003, 02:11

Vasika afta pou tha ithela na po kata vasin ipothikan kirios apo ton Pano.
An thelo na apantiso se kati einai sto pos krino enan mousiko.Safos kai epireazomai apo ti zoi kai ta pistevo enos mousikou alla an kapoios kataptistos anthropos grapsei oraia mousiki i kanei kati to opoio kallitexnika einai kalo de mporo na po oti den aksizei logo tou viou tou.Vevaia otan to xontrainei to pragma kai leei poli megales malakies ton agnoo.Me afti tin logiki ta misa kai pleon black groups den tha eprepe na iparxoun.Ase pou den to travaei tosooo o Portnoy.
Kai stin telik to album einai ena super album me dinami,texniki,melwdies,liges alla kales kainotomies kai feeling Theater.Isos kai alla.Afta arkoun...
Ase pou pistevo oti sta forums pio poli skeftontai pos tha einai o kathe neos diskos Theater para oi idioi oi Theater.Aftoi mallon oti tous ekfrazei kalitra tin kathe periodo paizoun.S'afti ti fasi vriskontai kai afto theloun na kanoun.Afto tous ekfrazei kai logika den mporei na ekfrazei olous tous opadous tous.Etsi den mporo na diakrino kammia skopimotita kai den mpaino kai sto trip na to psakso.

marianna2525

26-11-2003, 11:17

sephiroth

26-11-2003, 11:54

Oso kai an mou aresoun oi Theater, mallon megalh koubenta eipes. Oi Floyd den nomizw oti tha kseperastoun apo kanenan, h oti mporei kapoia mpanta na sugkrithei mazi tous (IMO).

blue_limestone

26-11-2003, 12:39

Prosypografw ta legomena tou Sephiroth.
Skeftite posous mousikous (simperilamvanomenwn twn DT) exoun epirreasei oi Pink kai skefteitai posous opadous exoun akoma kai simera. Oi Pink exoun pei kai exoun paiksei tosa polla kai toso simantika pou gia mena proswpika einai to 1o rock sigkrotima olwn twn epoxwn, paiksan apo psyxedelia mexri hard rock kai apo ilektronika (entelws protoporiaka) mexri entelws klassikou ixou rock. Imo to ksanalew. Makari oi DT na pairnan perissotera stoixeia apo tous PF para tous Metallica sto TOT...

marianna2525

26-11-2003, 14:31

min anisyheite, den skopevo na apokalithoso tous pink floyd apo to anonato skali tou vathrou, sto opoio tous eho.
eipa apla, pos oi dream theater einai ena kalo ypokatastato kai den xero ti tha ginei sto perasma tou hronou, an kai ola einai pithana.
elpizo na zo meta apo 20 hronia kai fysika na parakoloutho akoma ta mousika dromena tis epohis (ependyo sta mikra mou anipsakia, lol, kapos etsi egine kai me ton megalo mou anipsio kai to paidi afto me kratise sti simerini epohi).

Amnesiac.

26-11-2003, 16:30

to pira kai gw simera kai mporw na pw oti

Kveldssanger

26-11-2003, 19:09

H syzitisi edo einai apo tis pleon endiaferouses alla emena mou exete prokalesei mia sygxisi... Den xero an axizei na paro to disko h tha xeneroso teleios... Telos panton, synexiste kai kapoia stigmh tha vgalo kai ego mia akri... :D

Magellan

27-11-2003, 14:49

grapston kai ama sou aresei parton!

After Dark

27-11-2003, 16:24

Akoma eimai me thn arxikh mou entypwsh:To TOT einai to album ths xronias.-

FIXXXER

27-11-2003, 17:14

To St. Anger itan pio eurimatiko... ki auto de to leo gia kalo profanos...

After Dark

27-11-2003, 17:58

Ontws...Ti na klasei to TOT brosta sta tic tic tic tic toc.Ela nte? :roll:

FIXXXER

27-11-2003, 18:24

Se 5 xronia tha to xepatikosoun ki auto... os tora mexri Load exoun ftasei. :P

After Dark

27-11-2003, 21:05

An akousw apo tous Theater tis paparies tou St. Poutsou,to sigouro einai oti tha poulhsw ta cds tous.O,ti ekana kai tous me tous Metaplyta.

blue_limestone

27-11-2003, 23:41

After dark simfwnw!!!
To TOT einai o diskos tis xronias gia to metal xwro...
Gia ton evritero xwro tis mousikis pou endiaferei emena proswpika (kai 2 3 allous periergous) einai pio xamila stis protimiseis mou. As poume to OSI pou itan poly pio endiaferon apo evrimatikis itan kalitero. Panta vevaia megalwnw ton kyklo epilogis mou gia na aliwsw to apotelesma (eimai ypoulos vlepeis).

Akoma den katalava pws ginetai epi 1 xrono kai vale na milame gia tous Metallica sto forum twn DT. Akoma kai foroum allaksame alla oi Metallica ekei! Mpa ti prama einai touto...

blue_limestone

27-11-2003, 23:46

A kai kati pou ksexasa, egw an imoun o Rudess tha efevga...xaxa exei logiki afto pou lew.
Tin diafimisi tou tin ekane, ta proswpika tou poulane (kai lene poly!) kai twra geiasas(!) de sas goustarw pia (alla Moore). Vevaia o Moore itan poly pio neos kai me anoixtous orizontes, o Rudess exei kataktisei idi polla...den kserw mia idea petaksa, ti lete?

Dragonlord

28-11-2003, 08:29

xmou siga giati na fygei,isa isa stous dt exei e3asfalismeno kai mis8o kai endiaferon gia tis solo douleies tou (pou den 3ereis an 8a yparxei akoma se 10 xronia an fygei twra)

btw einai asteio pou syzhtate gia to st anger giati to akouga xtes kai auto skeftomoun,poio mou arese perissotero apo osa akousa fetos.loipon oso akouw perissotero to theater toso katalavainw kai thn optikh tou foivou.to tot to goustarw para poly alla isws einai poly "aplo" kai "vato"-gia theater.8a dei3ei o kairos.
to st.anger pantws sth maxh me to xrono exei fanei anelpista dynato

Kingryche

28-11-2003, 23:45

kai emena mou fianetai anelpista dinato sto xrono to st.anger, akoma den exei ptoithei apo ti skoni pou ta koitaza kai oti to digi den exei xalasei einai mallon epeidi den to polivgazo gia na ftharei... :lol:
Akouse kaneis pos pige apo polisies to ToT?Pantos edo apo oti ematha pige anelpista kala kai mono me to Dance Of Death kai to St.Anger mporei na sigrithei apo skliro xoro gia poliseis.Akrivos noumero den ksero tha do an mporo na matho.Pantos thimamai to SDOIT pou to eixe deiksei sto Mega Star os no1 kseno album ekeini tin epoxi.Xalaei o kosmos...

Dragonlord

28-11-2003, 23:56

den 3erw gia pwlhseis,an kai mou fainetai poly logiko na poulaei kala.
to 6doit pantws shmeiwse pws htan kai diplo,ara oi pwlhseis tou metragan diples.

shmera akouga pali to album.katalhgw sthn apopsh pws einai xevimetal the dream theater way,me o,ti kalo h kako synepagetai auto.pantws gia auto pou einai,einai koryfaio

cancer

30-11-2003, 14:15

katebasa to in the name of god (cheerz bill)
poso kairo eixan na grapsoun oi theater tetoio song?
popo exo pa8ei plaka, ki o lampris ta spaei.
mallon 8a paro to album.

Phoebus

30-11-2003, 18:52

Dude, kserw oti einai 45 an den kanw lathos, and I was being sarcastic about it giati perimenw kapws pio leptomereis apanthseis apo megala atoma. Oxi epixeirhmata tou yfous "eisai mikros akoma gia na katalabeis ta megaleia tou album".

otan mou aresei (i den mou aresei) kati tha po 2 kouventes.
den prospatho na peiso ton allo na aspastei tin apopsi mou.
leo ti gnomi mou, oso pio apla ginetai.
den eho provlima pou sarkazeis tin ilikia mou, ki'ego stin ilikia sou theorousa tous 30+ gerous kai xegrammenous.
tora vevaia, epeidi eisai arnitikos mazi mou, einai poly dyskolo gia mena na sou exigiso giati mou aresan oi stihoi, einai thema prosopikon viomaton.
theoro tous dream theater san ena poly kalo ypokatastato ton polyagapimenon mou pink floyd, se simerini ekdosi vevaia (megali kouventa eipa tora, alla poios xerei, isos meta apo 20 hronia oi dream theater na ehoun parousiasei ergo kalytero kai megalytero apo tous pink floyd).

Koita marianna2525, den hmoun sarkastikos me thn hlikia sou, gia onoma dhladh... Apla perimena mia pio leptomerh apanthsh... That's all. Twra ama mou les oti "einai dyskolo na mou ekshghseis"... Ok ti na sou pw? Prospathise?

Kai kati asxeto me to thread, ta forums einai gia na antallasoume apopseis, kai ama den thes na ephreaseis kanenan me thn apopsh sou tote kalytera na mhn thn les katholou. Ama einai na les kati telika toulaxiston na les "den kserw, den eimai sigouros, ktl ktl ktl", oxi kati tou styl "otan zhseis ayta pou exw zhsei egw tote tha katalabeis". Nomizw oti eimai safhs, toso gia to thema ths hlikias sou (kai rwta opoion thes, den exw kanena komplex), oso kai to an telika ekfrazeis pragmatika thn apopsh sou 'h oxi.

Ayta, nomizw oti to thema peri tou an to ToT einai kalo 'h oxi exei syzhththei arketa, akousthkan kai oi dyo pleyres opote kalo einai na akoume apo dw kai mpros mono sxolia se sygkekrimena shmeia, se yfos appreciation thread.

Fxa'stw.

marianna2525

01-12-2003, 14:32

@Phoebus
otan kati se aggizei psyhika, den mporeis na to perigrapseis me orologies.
to train of thought me aggixe gia ta kala, opote den mpaino sti diadikasia tou "ama den thes na ephreaseis kanenan me thn apopsh sou tote kalytera na mhn thn les katholou".
apo tin alli esy o idios les "ta forums einai gia na antallasoume apopseis".
enohlei toso poly i apopsi mou?

symposium_lexotanil

01-12-2003, 17:33

geia sas
perasa na sas po oti oi dt fans einai kathysterimenoi
euxaristo gia to xrono sas

Buddy Lackey

01-12-2003, 17:35

ta xoun pei alloi prin apo sena afta

marianna2525

02-12-2003, 11:19

geia sas
perasa na sas po oti oi dt fans einai kathysterimenoi
euxaristo gia to xrono sas

To the doubtful I demand, take me as I am

symposium_lexotanil

02-12-2003, 16:40

blue_limestone

02-12-2003, 22:25

to akouo tora proti fora olokliro kai psiloprosextika.
gamaei apogoiteumenous.
a kai ta fonitika tou labrie einai theika.psofiste isixa

thes kai sxoliasmo?

Amnesiac.

02-12-2003, 23:28

deikste kai tis faseis.

...............

cancer

02-12-2003, 23:39

Gia ton evritero xwro tis mousikis pou endiaferei emena proswpika (kai 2 3 allous periergous)
elite!

Phoebus

03-12-2003, 03:54

ahem
mallon me pareksigises
oi dt fans
ta fanboys
typoi styl blue limestone kai foivou.
pou akoune mousiki me to floio tou egkefalou kai me ta daxtyla.
ki emena maresoun oi theater para poly.kai to teleutaio episis.
take me as you are

symp me exeis gia kathysterhmeno? pes to ksekathara, giati den kserw an symperilambanomai s'aytous pou exoun to styl mou...

Ship Of Fools

03-12-2003, 06:00

Neo album Theater...

Apo ta post pou diavasa se auto to thread syneidhtopoihsa oti oi Theater exoun ginei katesthmeno ston xwro tou metal opws einai px oi Maiden kai oi Metallica.Apotelesma? Kataferan na exoun to ala8hto stis skepseis twn akroatwn tous opoiadhpote kai an einai h mousikh tous protash.Symfwnw 100% me ta sxolia tou blue_limestone kai to paw akoma parapera.

Einai fanero oti oi Theater me to ToT kanoun to megalo anoigma sthn amerikanikh agora.Monterna stoixeia sthn ki8ara pou ftanoun ws kai to nu metal kai elleipsh synais8hmatos.O diskos den exei oute ena pragmatika kalo kai empneusmeno riff(ektos an to epilhptiko kai psyxro pai3imo tou Petrucci 8ewreitai empneush) kai oute mia a3iomnhmoneuth melwdia.

Enta3ei 3eroume oti einai paixtarades alla auth th fora egine toso epithdeumena pou katanthse geloio.To album mou dinei thn entypwsh oti ekviasan thn diarkeia twn syn8esewn les kai prepei swnei kai kala ola ta kommatia na einai panw apo 10 lepta giati alliws den einai progressive. Auto kai mono deixnei oti h mousikh tous exei papsei pia na einai proodeutikh.Ypervolika texnika kai polyploka shmeia alla ousia mhden.

O lyrismos kai to synais8hma twn Theater exoun xa8ei pia kai den 3erw an 8a epanel8oun sto mellon.Makari na kanw la8os.

Auto pou exei shmasia gia mena einai h poiothta ths mousikhs panw apo ola.Twra an synyparxei me thn prwtotypia akoma kalytera.H prwtotypia omws apo monh ths den arkei gia na xarakthrisei ena album ws poiotiko. Akoma kai se auth thn periptwsh omws to ToT oute prwtotypo einai ,oute poiotiko.Isws gia ena agnwsto group to ToT na htan ena kalo album.Gia tous Theater omws einai 3eftila kai parakmh.An twra oi Theater goustaroun pragmatika to shmerino tous styl egw tous lypamai. Kai pio poly lypamai alla group ta opoia paizoun poly poiotikoterh mousikh apo to ToT alla menoun sthn afaneia mono kai mono epeidh den exoun to status twn Theater oute tis plates mias polye8nikhs.

Ston tomea twn pwlhsewn pantws ta phgan perifhma kai eimai sigouros oti to ToT 8a einai to pio petyxhmeno emporika album tous.

Phgan na to pai3oun metallades alla den tous pairnei.Yparxoun arketoi pou to 3eroun poly kalytera to paixnidi.Akouste px to Agent Steel 'h to Lost Horizon gia na deite pws einai to poiotiko metal en etei 2003.

Album ths xronias ? xa! Mallon apogohteush ths xronias...

P.S. 1: Monadikh oash to "In The Name Of God".Enas koukos omws den fernei thn anoi3h.

P.S. 2:Sorry gia to megalo post.Den to synh8izw alla kapoia pragmata h8ela na ta pw.

warlord

03-12-2003, 11:18

Ego ayta ta lega apo to scenes...

Buddy Lackey

03-12-2003, 14:23

yeah, ok kai egw simfonw se polla me ton ship of fools, ektos apo osa leei gia tin mousiki tou ToT, i opoia einai foveri paei kai teleiose

blue_limestone

03-12-2003, 15:12

Cancer den katalaves. Akouw TA PANTA. Rock-Blues-Jazz-Electronica/tro-Metal-Progressive-entexno-pop(poiotiko). Kai nai eimai elitistis, de mporw ti savoura kai tin kala poulimeni mousiki me plastiko periexomeno kai apousia apopsis, synaisthimatos kai ousias. To TOT den thiathetei kanena apo afta ta stoixeia pera apo orismena simeia. kai epitelous apo pote kapoios einai opados thavontas mia kaki douleia tous? ELEOS pia me ta megala sximata, i kali mousiki den exei na kanei se tipota me to hype enos group i enos mousikou. Polloi exontas apoktisei lefta kai fimi ginane malakes, merikoi meinane pistoi stis antilipseis tous, oi DT den eginan malakes apla mousika mpikan se ksena xwrafia, oxi gia na peiramatistoun alla gia na to paiksoun kati pou DEN EINAI. Mporei na grafoun metal riffs kai melwdies, na exoun ligo attitude alla klassiki metallades DEN einai!
Kai to xeirotero pou exei vevaia anaferthei einai afti i prospatheia pou egine kai ligo sto 6DOIT to na grapsoun mousiki antigrafontas olofanera!!!
Dld ti akoume twra kai mas aresei? Radiohead, dwse!, Pantera pigame sinavlia kai goustarame? dwse. Metallica goustarame apo palia kai Maiden? Dwse!!! E ma sygnwmi alla etsi den grafontai i mousikes, gia mena einai i pio aparadekti morfi sigrafis. Den lew oti oi DT to kanoun mono, alla oi pio polloi, omws den to perimena se tetoio vathmo apo tous DT. Kapote parigagan mousiki kai eniwthes to sinaisthima tis proswpikis douleias kai tou moxthou, tous eperne kairo kai kseskizontan,twra distixws anaparagagoun. Sto TOT mesa se 3vdomades gamwto ti na grapseis pera apo aftosxediasmous? Oi melwdies einai san paketa aradiasmena se fortigo kai erxontai to ena meta to allo kathws ta vgazoun...stin tixi! Oti nanai, krima!
Kai osoi lene opadoi kai kathisterimenoi kai tetoia, peite prwta kati pera apo ta complex sas kai meta elate na milisoume, alliws sas epistrefw to xaraktirismo.

symposium_lexotanil

03-12-2003, 17:23

[quote="symposium_lexotanil":2qhfet15]to akouo tora proti fora olokliro kai psiloprosextika.
gamaei apogoiteumenous.
a kai ta fonitika tou labrie einai theika.psofiste isixa

thes kai sxoliasmo?[/quote:2qhfet15]

xm e nai ti?den antilamvanomai to provlima.
GAMAEI KOMPLEKSIKOUS APOGOITEUMENOUS DT FANS san esena kai ton foivo.ti akrivos den katalaves? an esy exeis ypervolikes (paraloges) apaitiseis apo to agapimeno sou group auto den einai diko mou provlima.
kai prosopika mou fainetai apisteuta dithen kai epitidiumeno na vgaineis na les oti den exei synaisthima/kalous stixous blah blah to kainourgio theater.apo ti mia lete oti einai "xevi kai aplo" kai apo tin alli oti einai anousia texniko.apo ti mia lete oti einai stasimo kai apo tin alli sas enoxloun ola ta KAINOURIA stoixeia ston ixo tous.o ship of fools anaferetai se elleipsi melodion (!!!!!!!).dld to dying soul ( i wanna see ur boooody breaaaking),to endless sacrifice (to refrain tou tha meino yperklasiko stin istoria ton theater),to orxistriko [apotheosi tis melodias eis varos (me tin kali ennoia) tis texnikis],to vacant apla asxoliasto kai fysika to in the name of god de ftanoun e?mou fainetai pos leme o,ti na nai kai faskoume kai antifaskoume.
otan exeis oreksi na akouseis ena album me ta autia sou kai tin psyxi sou XORIS na eisai elitistas opos les (poso dithen pia,eleos,akoma kai dipla sto pop mas eksigises oti akous mono to poiotiko apo dauto,kathws tha sou ti legame an akouges apla pop fdsafdafds),tote as milisoume pali gia mousiki.mexri tote...

foivo to eipa kathara oti anaferomai kai se sena.kai den ennoo safws oti eisai ilithios genika,alla oti auti i stasi antimetopisis tis mousikis einai to ligotero tragiki.psaxnoume kai analyoume mexri aidias ta tragoudia pou mas aresoun - to syndromo tou mousikou- me apotelesma sto telos na xanoume to arxiko noima..einai san tous malakes pou prospathoun na analysoun oso den paei tis tainies tou lynts me apotelesma sto telos na xanetai olo to mystirio kai to feeling - to pio vasiko systatiko dld...
tespa apo ton balamuti den perimena diaforetikes antidraseis,exei deiksei pleistakis sto parelthon poso vlakas einai.

symposium_lexotanil

03-12-2003, 17:31

episis balamuti mporeis eleuthera na mou epistrepseis tous xaraktirismous giati etsi ki allios i gnomi sou de metraei katholou gia mena.koinws sexostarxidiamou.den exo kanena logo na yperaspizomai tous theater,den einai oute kan sta 50 agapimena mou groups,alla exo akousei ti mousiki tous,ektimo to megalytero meros apo auti kai exo kathe dikaioma na leo ti gnomi mou pano sauti.ego dystyxo i eutyxos den eimai elitistas,maresei na akouo apla o,ti me euxaristei xoris na aporripto sylivdin tpt kai xoris na sygkrino to tade me to deina les kai einai oi times tis amolyvdis sta venzinadika tis geitonias mou.

cloud

03-12-2003, 18:05

apo ti mia lete oti einai "xevi kai aplo" kai apo tin alli oti einai anousia texniko.apo ti mia lete oti einai stasimo kai apo tin alli sas enoxloun ola ta KAINOURIA stoixeia ston ixo tous.

Poly tha ithela na mou anafereis ta KAINOYRIA opws les stoixeia ston hxo tous. Giati egw apo to Scenes kai meta den ta vlepw. Ektos an ennoeis kapoia hip hop kai thrash stoixeia (ayta ta eixan kai pio palia) pou yparxoun px sto Glass Prison. H ta panteristika riffs sto kainoyrio. Ola ayta den nomizw oti apoteloyn ekseliksh gia ena sygkrotima pou thelei na legetai prog. Ayto nomizw einai to megalo tous provlhma, exoun ginei tromera provlepsimoi. Kai prospathoun apegnwsmena na grapsoun ena neo Awake. Ektos an me ton oro prog ennooume jazzistikous "aytosxediasmous" (o Theos na tous kanei, akougontai tromera fake) kai prospatheies entypwsiasmou. Tote allazei. Kai mhn peite oti dinw vash se tampeles, o oros prog einai ligo varys kai parekshgimenos gia na einai allh mia tampela anousia.

Buddy Lackey

03-12-2003, 18:11

ELEOS
HIP HOP STOIXEIA LEEI O ALLOS
NAI TO ALBUM EINAI PROVLEPSIMO
NAI TA XOUNE KSANAPAIKSEI AFTA
ALLA I MOUSIKI GAMAEI
SKATA EXETE STAFTIA SAS?

cloud

03-12-2003, 18:31

Swsta file mou dhmokrath, emeis exoume skata sta aytia mas, h gnwmh mas den metraei mia mprosta sthn megaleiothta sou, kai nai h mousikh gamaei. Vlepeis, to tromero sou IQ den mporouse na skeftei kati pio antikeimeniko apo ayto. Alla ti na perimeneis apo kapoion pou exei gia nick ton Buddy Lackey, kai fwnazontas thelei na epivlhthei opws kai o Tarzan sthn zougkla?

Phoebus

03-12-2003, 18:39

[quote="blue_limestone":312748h2][quote="symposium_lexotanil":312748h2]to akouo tora proti fora olokliro kai psiloprosextika.
gamaei apogoiteumenous.
a kai ta fonitika tou labrie einai theika.psofiste isixa

thes kai sxoliasmo?[/quote:312748h2]

xm e nai ti?den antilamvanomai to provlima.
GAMAEI KOMPLEKSIKOUS APOGOITEUMENOUS DT FANS san esena kai ton foivo.ti akrivos den katalaves? an esy exeis ypervolikes (paraloges) apaitiseis apo to agapimeno sou group auto den einai diko mou provlima.
kai prosopika mou fainetai apisteuta dithen kai epitidiumeno na vgaineis na les oti den exei synaisthima/kalous stixous blah blah to kainourgio theater.apo ti mia lete oti einai "xevi kai aplo" kai apo tin alli oti einai anousia texniko.apo ti mia lete oti einai stasimo kai apo tin alli sas enoxloun ola ta KAINOURIA stoixeia ston ixo tous.o ship of fools anaferetai se elleipsi melodion (!!!!!!!).dld to dying soul ( i wanna see ur boooody breaaaking),to endless sacrifice (to refrain tou tha meino yperklasiko stin istoria ton theater),to orxistriko [apotheosi tis melodias eis varos (me tin kali ennoia) tis texnikis],to vacant apla asxoliasto kai fysika to in the name of god de ftanoun e?mou fainetai pos leme o,ti na nai kai faskoume kai antifaskoume.
otan exeis oreksi na akouseis ena album me ta autia sou kai tin psyxi sou XORIS na eisai elitistas opos les (poso dithen pia,eleos,akoma kai dipla sto pop mas eksigises oti akous mono to poiotiko apo dauto,kathws tha sou ti legame an akouges apla pop fdsafdafds),tote as milisoume pali gia mousiki.mexri tote...

foivo to eipa kathara oti anaferomai kai se sena.kai den ennoo safws oti eisai ilithios genika,alla oti auti i stasi antimetopisis tis mousikis einai to ligotero tragiki.psaxnoume kai analyoume mexri aidias ta tragoudia pou mas aresoun - to syndromo tou mousikou- me apotelesma sto telos na xanoume to arxiko noima..einai san tous malakes pou prospathoun na analysoun oso den paei tis tainies tou lynts me apotelesma sto telos na xanetai olo to mystirio kai to feeling - to pio vasiko systatiko dld...
tespa apo ton balamuti den perimena diaforetikes antidraseis,exei deiksei pleistakis sto parelthon poso vlakas einai.[/quote:312748h2]

An egw eimai kompleksikos dt fan tote esy ti eisai? Mhpws yperballeis ligaki? lew twra...

Oso gia thn mousikh (ama kathosoun ligo na diabaseis) eipa se polla posts mou oti m'aresei. Kai epeidh eimai mousikos, den shmainei oti yperanalyw thn mousikh, kathe allo... Ayto einai san na les oti opoios akouei mousikh alla taytoxrona einai kai mousikos den xairetai thn mousikh, para mono mporei na thn sxoliazei kai na thn analyei. Tespa, oute kan prokeitai na mpw s'ayto to dialogo, giati afenos den exei nohma kai afeterou den einai thema ths syzhthshs mas.

Tha ektimousa (an den to thewreis kai ayto kompleksiko kai malakismeno kai ola ayta ta wraia pou mou fortwses emmesa) na mhn xarakthrizeis atoma (emena dhladh) ta opoia den ksereis tipota para mono exeis akousei 2-3 gnwmes, kai exeis synanthsei 1-2 fores. Ase koinws tous xarakthrismous sou mono gia to album, oxi gia emena.

Ayta.

Buddy Lackey

03-12-2003, 18:43

symposium_lexotanil

03-12-2003, 18:43

foivo gama me.
sto telos tha me peite kai dt fan
a sta diala
alla leo alla katalavaineis.
tespa starxidiamou etsi ki allios

Phoebus

03-12-2003, 18:47

symp re c kserw pws milas, apla merikes fores otan milame psilosobara kai c brizeis einai logiko ayto pou esy to exeis sthn kathhmerinothta sou (px emena einai to "malaka") na metaferetai asxhma.

egw apla sou eipa gia na mhn yparksei parekshghsh...

symposium_lexotanil

03-12-2003, 18:53

wxou den yparxei thema pareksigisis.apla eipa ti gnomi mou kai pisteuo oti auta pou lete gia to tot den isxyoun.apla.den prospatho na peiso kanenan oti einai kalo or sth.de saresei? me geia sou me xara sou (sic).alla tora na leme oti den exei synaisthima,oti exei xalia stixous i oti den exei melodies einai travigmenes apopseis.
tespa ksereis oti mazi sou den exo kanena provlima,en antithesei me ton balamuti pou ton theoro apisteuta geloio typo.

blue_limestone

03-12-2003, 19:13

Sefxaristw poly sumposioum pou mou dineis toso megali xara na me thewreis geleio kai vlaka. Tha sinexisw tin prospatheia mou kai sto mellon, atoma san kai sena na me thewroune tetoion kai xeirotero.

symposium_lexotanil

03-12-2003, 19:17

wow katholou anamenomeni apantisi.
atoma san emena?
dld?
aniko se sygkekrimeni katigoria atomon?

blue_limestone

03-12-2003, 19:42

Koita katarxin den sou epitethika pote,toulaxiston oxi prin to kaneis esy me xaraktirismous (kathisterimenos/vlakas/geleios) kai egw apla eipa tin apopsi mou gia to TOT me tin opoia profanws den simfwneis. Tha protimousa na mou eleges oti lew vlakeies gia ton tade kai ton deina logo kai oxi na les eisai vlakas giati les "afta". Ara to provlima pou exw me atoma san kai sena einai oti apantas proswpika kai den antiparatheteis kati safta pou lew alla me vrizeis. Akrivws to idio ekana kai gw paliotera.
Mporei na diafwnw me afta pou les alla den tha sou pw oti se thewrw kati epeidi sou arese i mousiki tou TOT. Afto einai thema ekfrasis kai eleftherias logou, alliws na katargisoume ta foroum, giati oi alloi den simfwnoun pote me tin apopsi mas.
Pires poly sta sovara mia sizitisi gia enan disko pou opws les den eisai kan opados tou group kai me epithetiko styl arxises na moirazeis xaraktirismous. Entaksei fantazomai oti kai afto einai dikaiwma sou alla afto den simainei oti prepei na to kaneis kai gw na min antidraw.
Den kserw poios eisai kai giafto den se xaraktirizw toso efkola opws esy alla fenetai na anikeis se mia katigoria atomwn pou grafoun se ena foroum kai prospathoun na epivaloun tin apopsi tous. An anikeis kapou, mallon ekei anikeis kai afto to lew me epifyalksi exontas mono diavasei ta post sou se afto to kommati tou foroum.
Thelw na liksei edw afti i "kouventa" giati den afora ti mousiki kai einai xwris noima kathws egine proswpiki.

symposium_lexotanil

03-12-2003, 19:55

ahem
as eksigiso alli mia fora loipon.
opos eipa kai sto foivo.
de saresei to album? mpravo sou kai starxidiamou.
i epithesi pros to prosopo sou den exei na kanei me to sygkekrimeno thema.apla apo paliotera (bb epoxes) exo kataliksei sto symperasma oti eisai apisteutos karagkiozis kai geloios,opote de xano tin eukairia na to ypodeiknyo.auta pros apofygi pareksigiseon.

Phoebus

03-12-2003, 19:55

Paides stamathste.

Eipame, to thread einai appreciation thread, kofte tous tsakwmous mesw internet.

Asxeto m'aresei poly to refrain "i wanna feel your body breaking and shaaaaaking and leeeeeft in the cold" me ta asiatika apo pisw ktl kt.

blue_limestone

03-12-2003, 20:04

Mporeis na exeis oti gnwmi theleis gia mena, de me noiazei, osoi exoun afti ti gnwmi gia mena entelws tyxaia exw kai gw tin idia gnwmi gia aftous. Ti simptwsi e?

Phoebus

03-12-2003, 20:15

Kofte diaforetika tha pw ston dreamer na kanei to topic lock :)

blue_limestone

03-12-2003, 21:04

ksepernaw to gegonos oti eimai ilithios kai karagkiozis kai thelw na pw kati geniko.
Pistevw oti polla groups gia logous pou den tha ekferw akoma kai pou polles fores einai proswpikoi ara kai agnwstoi xanoun tin dimiourgikotita tous. Groups opws Maiden, Metallica kai alla. To idio mallon fenetai na symvainei se ena vathmo me tous DT. Proswpika thewrw oti to teleftaio aristourgima einai to SFAM to opio akoma akouw meta apo 4 xronia poly efxarista. Vevaia to epomeno tous den to polyagapisa kai apodeiksi oti den to akouw sxedon katholou twra. To kainourgio mou fenete poly epitidevmeno, kai den antexw na ti akousw olokliro, opws exw ksanapei. Nomizw oti oi DT pernoun stin fasi tis parakmis kai kleinontai se enan pirina. Den ginontai aparaitita pio skliroi, mporei na ginontai pio pop me tin ennoia oti plisiazoun pio konta ston mainstream metal ixo (an yparxei kati tetoio simera). Den kserw einai idea mou i pernane fasi ptwsis? Yparxei kanenas allos edw mesa pou na niwthei to idio i pistevete oti tha doume kai alla aristourgimata sto mellon?
Akoma pantws kai oi Rush pou to akouw sinexeia oti meta to moving pictures den ksanavgalan kati kalo kai ginan emporikoi kai epanalamvanomenoi exoun vgalei diskous orimous kai proswpika diskous pou exoun kati na mou poune.
To idio simvainei kai twra me tous DT, einai to TOT pio orimo? Perimena mallon oi DT na afisoun stin akri tis heavy kithares kai ta drums pou ta spane ola kai na ginoun pio intellectual alla nomizw oti o ixos tou exei ginei pio piasarikos gia to metal koino kai ontws vlepw oti arese pio poly stous pio skiroporinikous metal akroates.
Apopseis?

VirusXI

03-12-2003, 21:13

den eimai sklhropyrhnikos metal opados k einai to monadiko DT album pou maresei oloklhro.
gia na mhn to pw pio akraia oti thn pleiopshfia tou palioterou DT ylikou to sixainomai.
ehm to pa telika, eides? :roll:
apla mia mikrh paremvash sthn omorfh syzhthsh sas ...

symposium_lexotanil

03-12-2003, 22:22

blue limestone les apisteutes pipes.dld kati pou einai intellectual den mporei na exei varies kithares kai tympana pou ta spane? trava akou to grand declaration of war kai meta ela na milisoume gia intellectualies.(de leo oti to ToT einai intellectual,alla auto den ofeiletai sti xrisi heavy kitharas kai grigoron tympanon). telika o ixos tous einai pio piasarikos kai aplos i kourastikos me ta travigmena solos ktl? otan (an) apofasiseis let us know.

i alitheia einai oti to album arese se klasikous sklyropirinikous metal opadous.klasika paradeigmata ego,o virus,o dragonlord,o amnesiac,i dimitra kai alloi.oloi true brothers of iron and steel.

den mporo na antistatho sto sxolio peri metallica.eleos pia."to st anger einai skata epeidi einai nu".oi anthropoi 20+ xronia tora vgazoun albums kai KANENA de moiazei me to proigoumeno tou (theorontas safws to load kai to reload ena album) kai ola einai TO LIGOTERO aksioprepi.pou ti vlepeis ti xameni dimiourgikotita? epeidi isos tous exeis varethei esy? oi maiden logiko einai paizontas tin idia mousiki 20 xronia na min exoun pleon toso freskes idees me apotelesma na ginontai adiaforoi.alla ola auta ti sxesi me tous theater stin teliki..?

kai mia genikotita gia na mi makrygoroume:
einai ok na mi saresei kati - de ginetai na xoume oloi ta idia gousta.ALLA den einai anagki na kathesai na skeftesai (oxi esy balamuti,genika milao) xilious dyo akyrous logous gia na dikaiologiseis tin (mi) protimisi sou auti.synithos auti i taktiki exei olethria apotelesmata,opos diloseis tou typou "to st anger de maresei epeidi einai soad wannabe","to ToT den exei melodies" ktl ktl.

auta

ps : karagkiozi

cancer

03-12-2003, 23:39

Gia ton evritero xwro tis mousikis pou endiaferei emena proswpika (kai 2 3 allous periergous)
wow gia des autos DIAFEREI. einai periergos.

auto epesimana kai proigoumenos.

cancer

03-12-2003, 23:47

cancer

03-12-2003, 23:50

To TOT den thiathetei kanena apo afta ta stoixeia pera apo orismena simeia. kai epitelous apo pote kapoios einai opados thavontas mia kaki douleia tous? ELEOS pia me ta megala sximata, i kali mousiki den exei na kanei se tipota me to hype enos group i enos mousikou. Polloi exontas apoktisei lefta kai fimi ginane malakes, merikoi meinane pistoi stis antilipseis tous, oi DT den eginan malakes apla mousika mpikan se ksena xwrafia, oxi gia na peiramatistoun alla gia na to paiksoun kati pou DEN EINAI. Mporei na grafoun metal riffs kai melwdies, na exoun ligo attitude alla klassiki metallades DEN einai!
Kai to xeirotero pou exei vevaia anaferthei einai afti i prospatheia pou egine kai ligo sto 6DOIT to na grapsoun mousiki antigrafontas olofanera!!!
Dld ti akoume twra kai mas aresei? Radiohead, dwse!, Pantera pigame sinavlia kai goustarame? dwse. Metallica goustarame apo palia kai Maiden? Dwse!!! E ma sygnwmi alla etsi den grafontai i mousikes, gia mena einai i pio aparadekti morfi sigrafis. Den lew oti oi DT to kanoun mono, alla oi pio polloi, omws den to perimena se tetoio vathmo apo tous DT. Kapote parigagan mousiki kai eniwthes to sinaisthima tis proswpikis douleias kai tou moxthou, tous eperne kairo kai kseskizontan,twra distixws anaparagagoun. Sto TOT mesa se 3vdomades gamwto ti na grapseis pera apo aftosxediasmous? Oi melwdies einai san paketa aradiasmena se fortigo kai erxontai to ena meta to allo kathws ta vgazoun...stin tixi! Oti nanai, krima!
Kai osoi lene opadoi kai kathisterimenoi kai tetoia, peite prwta kati pera apo ta complex sas kai meta elate na milisoume, alliws sas epistrefw to xaraktirismo.
ki edo simfono, kai simmerizomai ti stasi tou limestone...

par'olauta to ToT to akouo mexri edo arketa euxarista. einai kali mousiki, an kai ontws gia theater einai ligo... anyway to pa kai sto album reviews:
"to mono pou den exo katalabei einai o logos gia ton opoio oi theater "barainoun" apo album se album. mia xara ixo den eixan sto images px (to anafero giati einai simeio komviko kai ousiastika i arxi tis karieras tous)? nomizoun oti einai iper tous na "barainoun"? isa isa, pou an tora den ipirxe o labrie kai ta xaraktiristika solo/askiseis na min itan toso anagnorisimoi...". den pane enantia sto reuma otan barainoun. autes oi "akoume pantera/radiohead/kserogo kai mas aresei" kiniseis einai ontws tragikes...

cloud

04-12-2003, 17:33

Alla ti na perimeneis apo kapoion pou exei gia nick ton Buddy Lackey, kai fwnazontas thelei na epivlhthei opws kai o Tarzan sthn zougkla?

vasika tsiriza den fonaza, alla esi akouses fwnes kai oxi tsirides
entelws dimokratika an akous hip hop sto ToT exeis skata staftia (efkoilia gia tin akriveia)
alla ti na perimeneis apo enan pou to diko mou nick diladi tixero filaraki grammeno amerikanisti pou den simenei apolitws tipota

Vasika ta kefalaia einai "fwnazw" kai einai o no.1 kanonas sto internet-den grafoume me kefalaia gia na mhn mas arxisei o allos sta mpinelikia.

Egw den eipa pote oti exei ti TOT rap stoixeia. To Glass Prison vale sto xrono 6:00 kai akou. Katalave prwta ti leei o allos kai meta fwnakse.

To "tyxero filaraki" elpizw na to eipes sarkastika, alliws trava mathe Agglika.

cloud

04-12-2003, 17:41

To kainourgio mou fenete poly epitidevmeno

Say that again.

cancer

04-12-2003, 18:53

To "tyxero filaraki" elpizw na to eipes sarkastika, alliws trava mathe Agglika.
tsixlitsa?

FIXXXER

06-12-2003, 17:31

Ego ayta ta lega apo to scenes...

E entaxei ta eleges ligo noris apoti fainietai.... giati fantazomai oloi tha se koroideuan ama eleges oti to Scenes den eixe ebneusi.

Oloi kala ta lete. Alla thelo na po oti theoro kathe stixo tou Portnoy sto album mia malakia kai misi, oute kan diladi, gia to boutso einai oi stixoi tou. Antitheta, tou Petrucci einai merikoi polu kaloi kai alloi gamatoi.

Episis, theoro oti oi Theater to gamisan pia. Ftanei, ok, de theloume allo na mas lete ti tha kanete kai poso gamatoi eiste sto na paizete ti mousiki pou "epilegete" me logikes diadikasies kathe fora, boreite omos tin epomeni fora na arxisete na paizete sto studio oti paparia sas vgei ki oxi na lete "a oraia, tha grapso ena kalo classic metal riffaki tora"????

cloud

09-12-2003, 12:43

To "tyxero filaraki" elpizw na to eipes sarkastika, alliws trava mathe Agglika.
tsixlitsa?

Fathn esy, kalytera na masas para na milas.

Alla thelo na po oti theoro kathe stixo tou Portnoy sto album mia malakia kai misi, oute kan diladi, gia to boutso einai oi stixoi tou

To Change of Seasons to exeis akousei?

Jeditraitor

09-12-2003, 14:18

FIXXXER

09-12-2003, 15:18

Eipa oti theoro kathe stixo tou Portnoy STO ALBUM mia malakia kai misi.... profanos oi stixoi tou ACOS einai oloi theikoi, oson afora to SFAM, entaxei, den exei kai tous uperstixous... oi monoi gamatoi stixoi tou Portnoy einai sto Home kai sto Finally Free se auto to album.

cloud

12-12-2003, 22:30

nai sorry den to proseksa...

Elfstone

24-12-2003, 21:40

Episis, theoro oti oi Theater to gamisan pia. Ftanei, ok, de theloume allo na mas lete ti tha kanete kai poso gamatoi eiste sto na paizete ti mousiki pou "epilegete" me logikes diadikasies kathe fora, boreite omos tin epomeni fora na arxisete na paizete sto studio oti paparia sas vgei ki oxi na lete "a oraia, tha grapso ena kalo classic metal riffaki tora"????

An auto den einai karakompleksiko, ki egw den kserw ti einai. Kai se auto vasizetai olh h kritikh enantion twn Dream Theater shmera. Sto oti EPILEGOUN to ti tha paiksoun. MAGKIA TOUS. Oi "brothers of true metal" den kseroun na paiksoun tipota allo. Oi Dream Theater omws einai se thesh na epilegoun kai to kanane panta. An sas xalaei twra provlhma sas. Oxi, tha katsw na na grapsw ekthesh idewn gia ta kinhtra pisw apo kathe synthesh gia na fanw "kapws"...ELEOS! Kata t'alla me kalyptoun ta posts tou symposium.

FIXXXER

25-12-2003, 16:32

Elfstone

25-12-2003, 19:57

Koita ki emena oi Dream Theater einai mesa sta 4-5 pio agapimena mou groups, alla de kano ki etsi... koblexiko einai episis na mi borei na paradextei kapoios oti to agapimeno tou group kanei kati me to opoio de sumfonei. Esy ama goustareis, bravo sou, ego tha imoun upokritis an elega oti goustaro pou oi Theater upovalloun ton eauto tous na paixei kathe fora kati to opoio tha sumfonisoun apo prin.

Ma ti vlakeies les twra re? Oxi apla symfwnw alla to vriskw kai fysikotato ena group me tis dynatothtes twn Dream Theater na apofasizoun(to "ypovalloun" pws to katalaves, sto myalo tous mesa eisai??) ti tha paiksoun. Kompleksiko tha htan na paizane kati pou de mou aresei kai na tous apothewna. Antitheta, tis enstaseis mou gia to Falling Into Infinity tis dhlwnw ksekathara. Ki auto giati eixa me provlhma me thn mousikh asxeta an kai ta kinhtra pisw apo auth htan potapa. An mou aresei h mousikh xesthka gia ta kinhtra. Esy mou les omws oti se xalaei pio poly to pws grafoun thn mousikh apo thn idia thn mousikh. Poio einai to kompleksiko edw?

Jeditraitor

25-12-2003, 20:53

Jeditraitor

25-12-2003, 21:01

Antitheta, tis enstaseis mou gia to Falling Into Infinity tis dhlwnw ksekathara. Ki auto giati eixa me provlhma me thn mousikh asxeta an kai ta kinhtra pisw apo auth htan potapa. An mou aresei h mousikh xesthka gia ta kinhtra. Esy mou les omws oti se xalaei pio poly to pws grafoun thn mousikh apo thn idia thn mousikh. Poio einai to kompleksiko edw?

pragmatika egw thewrw oti to falling einai xalara kalytero album apo to ToT. O Fixxxer den einai mesa sto myalo tous, apla de goustarei pou endexomenws oi theater valane epithdes kapoia(polla) ypertexnika shmeia sta kommatia tous gia entypwsiasmo kai mono, an katalava kala ti thelei na pei:).Pare gia paradeigma to telos tou This Dying Soul kai ta solos tou petrucci(ektos apo 2-3). Ntaksei, panta paizan "papades"me ton enan h ton allon tropo, alla sto ToT fainetai na to kanoun EPITHDES kai aprokalupta. Kai den einai mono to oti grafoun etsi pou mou th dinei ligo, alla kai to oti auta ta shmeia den exoun ntyp melwdia einai gia na nai mono.mpas h periptwsei auto me ksenise emena sto album kai auto pisteuw.
filika, ante kai xronia mas polla

Elfstone

26-12-2003, 03:06

Jeditraitor

26-12-2003, 16:39

Ti epithdes re file. Dhladh palia ta ypertexnika merh tous evgainan kata lathos? Tha trelathoume teleiws? Anyway...an eseis psaxnete aformes gia na xalieste emena de mou peftei logos. Kalh xronia kai panta tetoia 8)

kaneis lathos, den psaxnoume katholou aformes gia na xaliomaste.an htan tha elega kai egw oti ola kala kiwraia kai tha kryvomoun piso apto daxtylo mou. Emena pantws mou akougontai epithdes, kai oxi, ta ypertexnika merh tous den evgainan kata lathos alla kata tetoio tropo wste na yphrxe melwdikh synoxh(an yfistatai tetoios oros). Opoidhpote shmeio na peis apo palioteres douleies tous, omoio me merika antistoixa apo to ToT den prokeite na vreis. To kako einai oti den eimai o monos pou to lew.Auto vevaia den kanei thn apopsh mou swstoterh apo th dikh sou h opoioudhpote allou, alla toulaxiston kserw oti den to kanw epithdes

FIXXXER

26-12-2003, 17:46

"Ta kinitra piso apo to Falling itan potapa."
E tora diladi ti na protosxoliaso. Diladi ti ekanan ta palikaria se ekeino to album pou itan potapo? Epeidi thelan na proseggisoun megalutero koino me ena hitaki to You Not Me? I mipos se xalane oi peiramatismoi sto New Millenium, to Lines In The Sand, to Trial Of Tears kai ta kalutera solo ever tou Petrucci sta Hell's Kitchen, Peruvian Skies kai Take Away My Pain?

Telos panton, ego ama diavazes prosektika den eipa pouthena oti de mou aresei to ToT, i mousiki mou aresei kai malista arketa kommatia mou aresoun para polu. Alla mou ti spaei auto pou eipa se tosa post parapano, oti anti na afisoun ton eauto tous eleuthero na doun ti tha vgei, oi Theater sta teleutaia duo album dialegoun epirroes apo ena sakouli akousmaton kai vgazoun kati pou na exei epirreastei apo ola auta. An eixes dei ta videakia pou anevasan sto site prin to Six Degrees, tha evlepes oti eixan mia sakoula me to Master Of Puppets, to Rust In Peace, to Dirt, to Aenima kai arketa alla baroque kai diafora. Kai meta vgike to Glass Prison, to Great Debate, to Overture kai diafora alla pou einai ola tous 100% Dream Theater.. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Kai tora sou lene oi Theater oti tha vgaloume ena album pou tha einai classic kai tha thumizei klasikes formes kai tetoies pipes. Kai vgazoun to ToT. E gia mena einai ikanoi gia parapano, kai sta arxidia mou an to ToT einai kalutero apotidipote allo kukloforei sto xoro tou, ego to theoro os to ligotero kalo album pou tha borousan na vgaloun, oxi giati einai asximo, alla giati einai ikanoi gia parapano, elpizo na to katalaves meta apo 843928 fores pou to egrapsa kai katantisa spastikos gia tous allous pou diavazoun. Den einai anagkaio na sumfoneis, alla oxi na mas allaxeis kai tin apopsi.... :wink:

symposium_lexotanil

26-12-2003, 20:07

ante gamisou mori aderfi

FIXXXER

26-12-2003, 20:22

Esena poios sou milise re arxidi?

Elfstone

27-12-2003, 03:40

"Ta kinitra piso apo to Falling itan potapa."
E tora diladi ti na protosxoliaso. Diladi ti ekanan ta palikaria se ekeino to album pou itan potapo? Epeidi thelan na proseggisoun megalutero koino me ena hitaki to You Not Me?

Nai. Alla sou eipa, an mou arese h mousikh den tha eixa kanena apolytws provlima me auto.

I mipos se xalane oi peiramatismoi sto New Millenium, to Lines In The Sand, to Trial Of Tears kai ta kalutera solo ever tou Petrucci sta Hell's Kitchen, Peruvian Skies kai Take Away My Pain?

Pera apo auta ta 4-5 kommatia o genikoteros hxos tou album me xalaei. Ki o hxos tou Sherinnian me xalaei.

An eixes dei ta videakia pou anevasan sto site prin to Six Degrees, tha evlepes oti eixan mia sakoula me to Master Of Puppets, to Rust In Peace, to Dirt, to Aenima kai arketa alla baroque kai diafora. Kai meta vgike to Glass Prison, to Great Debate, to Overture kai diafora alla pou einai ola tous 100% Dream Theater..

Paromoia diadikasia akolouthisan ki otan egrafan to omologoumenws klassiko pleon Scenes From A Memory (ekeina ta videakia ta eixes dei?). Epishs to Awake einai kai auto 100% Dream Theater...an den exeis akousei pote sou Rush. Me alla logia auta pou les einai AKYRA kai epomenws oi prosdokies sou paraloges. Mhn tis allazeis. Apla egw sou lew oti den stekoun logika auta pou zhtas.

Buddy Lackey

27-12-2003, 05:47

mia parenthesi peri sherinian: o typos eixe xalara tin megalyterh poikilia se hxous apo olous tous keyboard-istes twn theater
an kai eimai moore fanboy

FIXXXER

27-12-2003, 17:07

[quote]"Ta kinitra piso apo to Falling itan potapa."
E tora diladi ti na protosxoliaso. Diladi ti ekanan ta palikaria se ekeino to album pou itan potapo? Epeidi thelan na proseggisoun megalutero koino me ena hitaki to You Not Me?

Nai. Alla sou eipa, an mou arese h mousikh den tha eixa kanena apolytws provlima me auto.

I mipos se xalane oi peiramatismoi sto New Millenium, to Lines In The Sand, to Trial Of Tears kai ta kalutera solo ever tou Petrucci sta Hell's Kitchen, Peruvian Skies kai Take Away My Pain?

Pera apo auta ta 4-5 kommatia o genikoteros hxos tou album me xalaei. Ki o hxos tou Sherinnian me xalaei.

An eixes dei ta videakia pou anevasan sto site prin to Six Degrees, tha evlepes oti eixan mia sakoula me to Master Of Puppets, to Rust In Peace, to Dirt, to Aenima kai arketa alla baroque kai diafora. Kai meta vgike to Glass Prison, to Great Debate, to Overture kai diafora alla pou einai ola tous 100% Dream Theater..

Paromoia diadikasia akolouthisan ki otan egrafan to omologoumenws klassiko pleon Scenes From A Memory (ekeina ta videakia ta eixes dei?). Epishs to Awake einai kai auto 100% Dream Theater...an den exeis akousei pote sou Rush. Me alla logia auta pou les einai AKYRA kai epomenws oi prosdokies sou paraloges. Mhn tis allazeis. Apla egw sou lew oti den stekoun logika auta pou zhtas.[/quote:2g2bv8b3]

Se apantiseis tou stul auta pou les einai akura kai les malakies kai de xereis esu eno ego xero kalutera (kai efeurisko kai kana duo pragmatakia etsi gia na ta po) ego den apantao.

Elfstone

27-12-2003, 20:03

Hahah...esy ki o katwrimos. Den vlepw egw kanena "styl". Oute efeuriskw pragmata opws tha se voleue. Epsaksa gia ta videakia pou lew gia na to epivevaiwsw (mperdeutika pros stigmhn giati kai ta 2, kai apto Scenes ki apto Six Degrees, einai apta Beartracks Studios, alla kai sta 2 yparxei auto pou o Portnoy leei "inspiration corner". Apla sto Scenes px den exoun mesa cds Metallica alla Pink Floyd.) Efoson omws ypotheteis oti egw kserw kalytera, ti na sou pw, mhn apantas. :roll:

After Dark

28-12-2003, 05:09

Vixxx,se eipe katwrimo.Ayto apaitei omerta. :roll:

sephiroth

28-12-2003, 23:51

Teleiws asxeto, alla omerta einai orkos siwphs h' ekdiskhsh?
Eipame, teleiws asxeto...

cancer

29-12-2003, 00:37

mafiozikos orkos siwpis

StationEleven

20-06-2004, 05:07

sthdiadromh phgainela malakasa akousa 2 fores to sintion touto
popopo th koftidia ki8aronia ti gaoun gaoun mpa mpa mpap einai touta
popopo
paizei na ginei kai my fav
etsi mprabo ta paidia ante kai sto epomeno o labris anselmos

StationEleven

22-06-2004, 17:03

afou to xw liwsei arketa as pw to my gnwmh kalio arga para pote
to cd einai poly kalitero apo to prohgoumeno alla kammia sxesh me to megaleio tou scenes (to kalitero tous gia mena)
goustara yperbolika ta core/nu stoixeia pou exei to album(em ti 8a kana) kai pisteuw pws einai pragmatika mia poly kalh douleia apo ta paidia eis ta 00's
ligo perissoterh agriada sth fwnh tou labrie se kapoia shmeia (pou apaithte)8a to kane pio endiaferon to synolo

xalara mpainei panw apo six degrees kai fall into (8a lega kai images alla 8a pesoun na me fane)
pantws se kammia periptwsh panw apo awake kai scenes pou einai a3eperasta kateme

progvamp

24-06-2004, 00:20

*progvamp peftei na faei ton Station11 :hungry:

FIXXXER

24-06-2004, 17:01

mia parenthesi peri sherinian: o typos eixe xalara tin megalyterh poikilia se hxous apo olous tous keyboard-istes twn theater
an kai eimai moore fanboy

Asxeto alla nai. Derek fanbois edo.

Morgana Di Angelo

03-08-2004, 19:23

Πίστευα, πως ό,τι κι αν βγάλουν οι Theater θα μου άρεσε, ακόμα και pop... Έχω αρχίσει να αμφιβάλλω γι αυτό. Η εισαγωγή του 4ου κομματιου ήταν για τα μπάζα! Είπαμε... progressive, αλλά όχι και hardcore!!! Ο δίσκος ήταν μισός Dream Theater μισός Metallica (βλέπε το As I Am) κατά την ταπεινή μου άποψη. Για το μέλλον οψόμεθα, αλλά το κόβω να βγάζουν κι άλλα κομμάτια, που θα θυμίζουν εμπορικές και τετριμμένες μελωδίες, αν εξαιρέσουμε το αλύπητο σολάρισμα του Πετρούτσι, ο οποίος το έχει παρατραβήξει, είδικά στο Six Degrees...
Ωσ προείπα... οψομεθα...

Ghoul

03-08-2004, 19:29

Ο δίσκος ήταν μισός Dream Theater μισός Metallica (βλέπε το As I Am)

...k misos pantera (mhn ksexniomaste.).

Morgana Di Angelo

03-08-2004, 19:37

Κοίτα, οι Theater δεν ήταν ποτέ γνωστοί για την προτοτυπία τους... έχουν κατακλέψει τον κόσμο, αλλά μας άρεσαν, γιατί έκλεβαν από γαμάτες μπάντες και με τρόπο, που αποτύπωνε την δική τους ταυτότητα...
Όλα αυτά κάποτε. Τώρα αντιγράφουν τον καινούριο εμπορικό ήχο, τον οποίο βρίσκω κακόγουστο και κουραστικό για τα αφτιά μου.΄Όσοι γουστάρουν hardcor είναι τυχεροί, γιατί δεν χαλάστηκαν. Εγώ απο την άλλη...

Kingryche

03-08-2004, 23:26

Η εισαγωγή του 4ου κομματιου ήταν για τα μπάζα!

H eisagwgi tou tou Honor Thy Father (no.4 gia tin kopia xwris titlous) einai gamisteri kai ta spaei.Kai oti einai heavy den einai hardcore.

Nai mwre gamwto mas ta exoun skwtisei tosa xronia oi Theater pou klevoun idees mpas kai vgaloun kana kommati alla akoma den ta exoun kataferei.Osoi pistevoun se aftous elpizoun pos tha ta kataferoun mia mera na grapsoun diki tous mousiki.Os tote opsometha...

Status_Seeker

04-08-2004, 16:51

Kingryche <--- Sostos

Oi theater apla epireastikan apo alles megales bandes den eklepsan.Borei to train of thought na einai i ligotero megaliodes stigmi tis karietas tous(kat eme) alla den pavei na exei upertates sintheseis(px In the name of god)

eyeamflesch

30-08-2004, 12:21

A re karpazes pou xreiazeste merikoi/es.

StationEleven

30-08-2004, 15:06

pesta nte

Phoebus

01-09-2004, 16:49

To ToT telika an kai mou thn eixe spasei exei merika poly wraia shmeia pou mou thymizoun ton poly kalo hxo tous pou eixan mexri kai prin 5 xronia...

Mousika kai mono oi DT panta einai h epitomh. Kanoun pragmata pou liges mpantes tha ekanan, peiramatizontai, mplekoun hxous, akousmata, ta kanoun ola anw katw, akoma kai to SDoIT mou fanhke para poly kalo follow-up sto SFaM mono kai mono giati akous polla pragmata pou sthn arxh den sou polykollane... TGP kai Disappear ston idio disko? Ki'omws den htan asxhmos diskos...

To melano shmeio sthn twrinh poreia twn DT einai oti pia ws synolo den exoun kati na mou poun... Den ftaine oi DT aparaithta gia ayto, den einai oti kanane lathos sthn kariera tous pou bgalane enan disko pou fainetai oti akolouthei to reyma para na to dhmiourgei... Apla egw megalwsa, akousa 5-10 pragmata parapanw, kai an bathia mesa mou to ToT mprosta sto Awake fainetai ftwxo, gia tous DT einai mia ekselliksh bebaia, giati alliws ezhsa to Awake kai alliws to ToT...

Ama thelhsw na krinw tous DT telika, tha tous krinw gia to synolo tous... Mporei kapoioi na lete oti klepsane/antigrapsane ktl... Alloi to lete pio semna. "Ephreasthkan". Exw barethei na ta diabazw ayta, oloi lene ta idia kai ta idia kai ta idia... Ta amerikanakia, oi ollandoi, oi galloi, oloi ta idia. Kai sthn ousia ti kanoun? Ypobathmizoun tous DT, alla kai tous idious tous eaytous giati kathontai kai tous akoune...

Ws synolo oi DT einai mia mpanta pou tha meinei sthn istoria... nai, alla epeidh etsi einai den shmainei oti prepei aparaithta na goustaroume kai ta panta pou bgazoun mono kai mono epeidh einai DT. Den eimaste kai gidia... Alla oute na APAITOUME ws fans na paizoun oi DT opws theloume emeis. Den exoume kanena dikaiwma na paraponiomaste (e re kataramenh ytsejam mailing list, merikoi isws kseroun) kai na aporoume "ti egine kai oi DT akougontai san tous Metallica"... Sto katw-katw ths grafhs, ayto pou menei einai h mousikh, opoios goustarei akouei, opoios den goustarei den akouei. Eks'allou, eytyxws dhladh, yparxoun alles apeires mpantes pou "mimountai" (alloi tha elegan oti einai "ephreasmenes") ton hxo twn DT epoxhs IAW... Opoios thelei akouei ayta enallaktika kai stamataei na prhzei ton kosmo.

Gia na to pw oso pio apla mporw omws, ayto pou apousiazei apo thn mousikh twn DT einai ta shmeia me ta opoia mporw na parallhlistw. Den tha katsw na skasw omws, eksakolouthoun na apoteloun ena para poly kalo akousma... apla den mporw na syndethw opws eixa syndethei me kommatia opws Scarred kai SDV... Toso stixourgika oso kai mousika.

Aytaaaaaaaaa