katanohsh sth mousikh.

[rockavlon]

pisteuete, oti katexete, eparkh gnwsh mousikhs, kai glwssas, kathoti kai oti ta group/eidh pou akoute, sas epitrepoun na katanoeitai kai na apolambanete plhrws to periexomeno tous ?

pisteute oti apla o rythmos prepei nanai kalos i oti prepei kai oi stixoi na symbadizoun ?

epishs xreizeste ousies gia na sas dieukolynoun na apolausete th mosuikh ?

THNX.

[House Of Low Culture]

Dn katalavainw ti ennoeis legontas an katexoume eparkh gnwsh
mousikhs kai glwssas.Gia ta perissotera apo afta pou akouw mporw
na pw oti katanow to periexomeno tous,allote plhrws allote merikws.
Polles fores gia na epitefx8ei to parapanw xreiazetai na akousw polles
fores eite na to syndesw me sygekrimenes katastaseis-faseis pou pernaw.
Oson afora sthn shmasia twn stixwn kai ths mousikhs..Sigoura megalyterh shmasia dinw sthn mousikh.Oi stixoi einai defterevontes imo.Alla an
h mousikh kai oi stixoi(eite tous paroume san keimeno eite san fwnhtikh ermhneia) den tairiazoun tote enoxloumai.
Telos, 8ewrw thn idia thn mousikh mia ''ousia'' parais8hsiogona.Mesw ths mousikhs mporeis na zhseis se enan allo kosmo,kosmo pou perigrafoun oi mousikoi-kallitexnes an pragmati ta erga tous se ekfrazoun.Oi ousies kata thn gnwmh mou dn synteloun sthn megalyterh apolafsh.Isws na vohthoun na deis thn mousikh apo alles optikes gwnies tis opoies oute kan 8a skeftosoun sthn periptwsh nhfaliothtas, alla dn einai aftes ka8aftes pou synteloun sta nea viwmata.Oi hdh yparxouses empeiries oi opoies mesw twn ousiwn vriskoun enan pio efkolo dromo na vgoun sthn epifaneia syndyasmenes me thn mousikh einai to shmantiko shmeio kai paizei prwtevonta rolo.Ena mpoukali vodka panta vohthaei. :D

[WoTaN]

Oxi.

[soulless9]

nai alla den einai angkaio na exeis gnwseis gia na apolambaineis. omws thewrw aparaithto na diavazeis ti lene oi stixoi kai na katalabaineis. gia kapoio logo grafoun tous stixous oi diaforoi kalitexnes kai exoun nohma kai prepei na tairiazoun opwsdhpote.(isws oxi oloi blepe manowar, egw gia ayto den tous antexw. akouw stixous tous kai...).

[House Of Low Culture]

http://home.worldonline.dk/defender/Manowar/album10.jpg
Mhn 3anapeis tpt giaftous.Gamane. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Gabriel]

omws thewrw aparaithto na diavazeis ti lene oi stixoi kai na katalabaineis. gia kapoio logo grafoun tous stixous oi diaforoi kalitexnes kai exoun nohma kai prepei na tairiazoun opwsdhpote.

de tha mporoysa na diafwnhsw perissotero.

[soulless9]

e???? na diafwnhseis? twra me mperdepses...

[Gabriel]

oxi mono diafwnw, alla nomzizw apo to prohgoymeno post soy oti exeis parekshghsei merika pragmata sxetika me th moysikh, thn ekfrash kai th dikaiodosia se ola ayta pragmatwn opws ta "prepei", "aparaithta" kai "opwsdhpote". alla tha moy epitrepseis na psilobariemai na anaptyksw, giati exw pei ta idia se paliotero post kapoy.

diafwnw pantws. :)

[The Good Son]

akoute mousikh gia sas.
gia na sas aresei.
gia na thn vriskete.
oxi gia syzhthseis opou enas thn leei ston allon.
H MOUSIKH EINAI GIA SAS
me agaph the cliche master

[rockavlon]

to lew epeidh dia basa kapoion na kouotarei : heavy metal only metal at all whips and pozers leave the hole :P

kai fysika exw diabasei alla eutrapela paromoia.

ennow oti epishs polla concept, Lx, to marillion twn brave, exoun ena X bathos kai alliws ektimas to disko an ton akouseis apla , alliws an thewrhseis thn istoria tou kai alliws ws synolo. omws gia na katanohseis apolyta to stixourgiko periexomeno prepi a na thes na diabaseis to stixo, b na mporeis na ton katanohseis, plhrws kai oxi na ton parermhneuseis.

edw thelw na epanalabw mia ni3h pou eixa kanei se thread me black metal thematikh.

otan mesa se diskous prostazontai sfages ktl ktl, polles fores se prwto proswpo, kai i mania pou probaletai kathws kai i orgh fainomenika einai
ksexylizouses, kathws kai optika, polles fores, yparxoun akrothtes akoma kai akraies praxeis, lx, autotraumatismos, i ripsh temaxismenwn zwwn, ta opoia kallista mporei na thewrhthoun kai ws kindynos ygeias, afou einai nwpa.

i erwthsh mou einai ti sas elkyei se auto to concept / imagery.

[V0lcaN0]

sigoura den ennoeis to brave twn marillion?

Tespa, h mousikh sigoura einai gia mena h prwtos polos elxhs pros ena mousiko paradeigma, alla sthn telikh, an de boithisei kai o stixos analoga, dyskola tha entypwsiastw. Den eimai sigouros an katannow plhrws ta album pou akouw, mousika h thematika, alla toulaxiston ftanw se ena shmeio pou na anagnwrizw to megaleio orismenwn kai ayto einai an oxi arketo, ikanopoihtiko estw.

Oso gia to stixo, an kai den xerw an htan akribws to antikeimeno ths parapanw diafwnias, h gnwmh mou einai pws o stixourgos mporei na grafei kai gia kati entelws proswpiko kai etsi oi stixoi tou na mhn einai dynaton na ginoun antilhptoi, apla mporei o akroaths na dei an oxi ti paizei, toulaxiston oti kati paizei, kai to kalytero olwn, na dwsei th dikh tou ermhneia. Toso oi stixoi kai h mousikh kata th gnwmh mou (tha prepe na) grafontai gia ton dhmiourgo kai oxi gia to akroathrio.

[S-11]

symfwnw me gabriel

[christian_nyquist]

nta3 re alania kai mousikh k stixos metrane re s ayta pou akoume..... alla fysika polles fores otan akoume kati instrumental k to goustaroume,(px sherinian) dn masame.. vasika ligo lmalakia to topic,kapoia einai aytonhta

[rockavlon]

xm to mythology einai akrws entypwsiako.

alla apo ekei kai pera oxi. to na aresketai kaneis se enan gkrotesko hxo/stixo, pou an ton eblepe kapoios apogymnwmeno tha ton thewrouse proion dianohtika kathysterhmenou, diataragmenou atomou, to briskw, kapws parakseno.

den antilegw oti kai sth zwgrafikh kai se alles morfes texnhs yparxei akrothta. Alla yparxei kai diafora sthn poiothta. den thewrountai oloi oi pinakes mias epoxhs koryfaioi kai den ektimountai to idio.... :P

[BlackMetal]

pes re papara oti ekanes eksarxis to topik gia na peis poso skata einai stixoi tou black metal,anti na mas prizeis tarxidia me katanoiseis ktl

[rockavlon]

oxi mono autoi. dioti mporw na sou brw kai sobarous. px samael, px orismenoi COF, exoun ypostash kai ypodeigmatikh xrhsh agglikwn, ktl ktl.
epishs, polloi heavy metal einai tyrinoi, kai polloi hair metal apla apotyxhmenoi. aplo paradeigma efera dioti einai to PIO xtyphto. kai akraio.
kai to nu exei arketa kakous stixous sthn pleiopshfia tou.

[The Good Son]

rockavlon tha se symvouleva na 3ekinhseis na akous Army of lovers :oops:

[rockavlon]

oi army of lovers gamane metallades. EXW !!!

[chris_boss]

Που να τα βάλεις με ολόκληρο στρατό.

[Jollyroger]

panw pou eixa arxisei na pisteyw oti psilosovarepses...

[Gabriel]

den antilegw oti kai sth zwgrafikh kai se alles morfes texnhs yparxei akrothta. Alla yparxei kai diafora sthn poiothta. den thewrountai oloi oi pinakes mias epoxhs koryfaioi kai den ektimountai to idio.... :P

toy gamhses th mana.

[eyeamflesch]

xm to mythology einai akrws entypwsiako.

alla apo ekei kai pera oxi. to na aresketai kaneis se enan gkrotesko hxo/stixo, pou an ton eblepe kapoios apogymnwmeno tha ton thewrouse proion dianohtika kathysterhmenou, diataragmenou atomou, to briskw, kapws parakseno.

den antilegw oti kai sth zwgrafikh kai se alles morfes texnhs yparxei akrothta. Alla yparxei kai diafora sthn poiothta. den thewrountai oloi oi pinakes mias epoxhs koryfaioi kai den ektimountai to idio.... :P

AfTO POU EIPES THA MPOROYSE NA ISXYEI GIA TO LOOK KAI TOYS STIXOYS TWN HAIRBANDS.

[eyeamflesch]

EPISIS, DE THARRW PWS SKOPOS TOY TOPIC AfTOYNOY ITAN O ROGKABLOS NA THIKSEI APARAITITA TO BLACK METAL. SKOPOS TOY, EIKAZW, ITAN NA PROSPATHISEI NA KAMNEI SOBARI SYZITISI, ALLA TO GIEGONOS OTI PISTEbEI OTI EXEI EPILEKSEI NAKOYEI POIOTIKI MOYSIKI KAI OTI OLES OI ALLES MOYSIKIES DEN EXOYN POIOTITA, DEN TON AFISE NA MILISEI A-GIDISIA.

[The Butcher]

pisteuete, oti katexete, eparkh gnwsh mousikhs, kai glwssas, kathoti kai oti ta group/eidh pou akoute, sas epitrepoun na katanoeitai kai na apolambanete plhrws to periexomeno tous ?

pisteute oti apla o rythmos prepei nanai kalos i oti prepei kai oi stixoi na symbadizoun ?

epishs xreizeste ousies gia na sas dieukolynoun na apolausete th mosuikh ?

THNX.
loipon katarxin pisteyw oti to prwto erwtima tou thread einai akyro. i mousiki einai texni, k o kallitexnis imo prepei na exei synaisthisi tou oti o "skopos" tou einai en prwtois na dimiourgei synaisthimata k kata deyteron provlimatismous. gia na to pw pio liana, an kapoios exei skopo na perasei mynimata k na diadwsei idees tha paei na kanei dialekseis, oxi texni. o rolos tou kallitexni einai na eyaisthitopoiisei to koino tou, xwris aparaitita na to valei sti diadikasia tou na prepei na epeksergastei logika ta erethismata/ erga texnis.

gia na apolaysei kaneis ti mousiki (i akoma k to paketo stixwn-mousikis, giati k oi stixoi panw se mousiki einai prwta mousiki k meta logia) de xreiazetai oute na einai mousikos oute na milaei ksenes glwsses. den tha eprepe kan pisteyw na vasanizei to myalo tou me skepseis, sto vathmo pou ayto einai dynaton. etsi pisteyw oti apolamvanei k ektimaei kaneis "swsta" tin texni.

episis i "poiotita" twn stixwn den einai eykola metrisimo megethos. oso kala k an milas ti glwssa, poso sigouros mporeis na eisai gia to nohma kapoiwn stixwn? pws mporeis na ksereis ypo poies synthikes graftikan k to ti eixe sto myalo tou/ti thelise na ekfrasei aytos pou tous egrapse? i syggrafi stixwn einai gia mena logotexnia, opote vl. ti egrapsa parapanw peri texnis.

einai xazo na milame gia kali mousiki/kalous stixous. to thema einai ayto pou akous na se kanei na niwseis. otidipote. oxi toso na sou dwsei aformi gia na skefteis pragmata (pou k ayto exei tin plaka tou vevaia k oloi toxoume kanei sigoura, ase pou kammia fora sou dinei tin pseydaisthisi oti exeis parei apo ti mousiki auto pou exei na prosferei) alla panw ap'ola na sou dwsei ayto to kati pou de mporeis na onomaseis, na metriseis i na eksigiseis- ayto to kati pou tha se xtypisei kapou mesa sou k pou oso aprosdioristo einai toso aisthiti tha kanei tin parousia tou. de mporw na vrw kalyteres lekseis gia ta synaisthimata sorry.

telos, krinontas apo ton eayto mou, nomizw pws oxi, de xreiazontai ousies (k ennow kapno, narkwtika, alkool, paraisthisiogona) gia na apolayseis tin texni, alla se osous nomizoun oti pera apo to na skeftontai mporoun k na aisthanontai tha proteina tin xrisi "ousiwn" san epomeno vima, estw k dokimastika. apokei k pera opws ti vriskei o kathenas.

[Gabriel]

gia na apolaysei kaneis ti mousiki (i akoma k to paketo stixwn-mousikis, giati k oi stixoi panw se mousiki einai prwta mousiki k meta logia) de xreiazetai oute na einai mousikos oute na milaei ksenes glwsses. den tha eprepe kan pisteyw na vasanizei to myalo tou me skepseis, sto vathmo pou ayto einai dynaton. etsi pisteyw oti apolamvanei k ektimaei kaneis "swsta" tin texni.

episis i "poiotita" twn stixwn den einai eykola metrisimo megethos. oso kala k an milas ti glwssa, poso sigouros mporeis na eisai gia to nohma kapoiwn stixwn? pws mporeis na ksereis ypo poies synthikes graftikan k to ti eixe sto myalo tou/ti thelise na ekfrasei aytos pou tous egrapse? i syggrafi stixwn einai gia mena logotexnia, opote vl. ti egrapsa parapanw peri texnis.

xeirokrotw orthios me alalagmoys. eyge.

h monh diafwnia moy sta eksaisia poy egrapses einai h ekshs. apolytws yperoxo einai na aisthanetai o akroaths pragmata (otidhpote, opws eipes), alla gia mena prwtarxikh yphresia ths moysikhs einai ston moysiko. na ekfrastei o idios. ki as mhn ton akoyse/krinei/apolaysei kaneis aparaithta.

kata ta alla, poly dynato post.

[XD]

Kala ta 'grapse o The Butcher.

Genika, gia na akouseis kati, den xriazontai gnwseis kai pipes, akous gia thn
party sou, s'aresei kati -> kalws . . . den s'aresei -> st@@ sou, pame gi'alla.-

Gia na ekfraseis omws mia ousiwdh apopsh panw se poikila mousika themata
oi gnwseis apaitountai. Px den mporei na mou leei o kathe anideos pws ta
drums twn Gorgoroth h twn Mayhem h twn Anaal Nathrakh einai OTINANAI.
OXI RE BODI DEN EINAI OTINANAI, DEN BARAEI O ALLOS OTI TOU KATEBEI
EINAI PAIGMENA BASH MOUSIKWN KANONWN/THEWRIWN KAI BASH AFTWN
EINAI MOUSIKWS SWSTA.- Mporei esena na sou fenontai xaotika alla oxi den
einai ena aplo otinanai kopanima. To idio isxiei kai me ti black kithares kai
oxi mono. H me tis Death px. Na akous ton allon na sou leei oti h kithara
pezei otinanai, aplws ksinei grigora. Kai otan mpainei h solara na se leei
pws kai to solo einai kati otinanai. H na akougetai karatexniko dipetallo kai
o allos na leei pws einai xalasmeno mpaso h ti einai afta ta prits-prits pou
akougontai, klanies ? H kali alles apopseis pws oi Nightwish einai anwteroi
mousikws apo tous The Gathering h tous The 3rd and the Mortal kai pws
exoun prosferei perissotera sth mousikh. Ntaks . . . as akouei o kathenas
oti malaxia thelei, magkia tou, alla oxi na petaei ki oti malaxia tou katebei.
Eleos dhladh. Epishs, gia tous stixous, poli apla o kathenas dinei dikh tou
erminia. Den iparxei kati antikeimeniko. Akomh kai o dhmiourgos tou
stixou na dwsei mia ermhnia h opoia tha einai antikeimenika apodexth,
pali o kathenas mporei na tous erminefsei opws aftos goustarei. Allo poy
paizei kai o dimiourgios na eksigise tous stixous tou apo mia "x" optikh
gwnia mono, h aplws na thelise na perasei kati sigkekrimeno sthn koinh
gnwmh, alla na afisei polla perissotera gia osous den tha kollhsoun s'afto.
Genika, tipota den einai apolito. Epishs prwta me endiaferei h mousikh kai
meta oi stixoi. Safws kai oi stixoi dinoun terastio bonus ama gamane, alla
xwris kalous stixous den exw problhma. Px se apeira black meta groups
den tous katalabainw. H mousikh einai mou me trabaei + anti gia stixous
oi fwnitikes grammes tha peksoun megalo rolo. As ta leei me fantasia kai
pathos o allos kai as mhn einai oti kalitero. Px to teleftaio "Autumn Ablaze"
Apo stixous exei metrious alla m'aresei para poli. H apeira antixristianika
h satanistika tragoudia pou oi stixoi tous mou einai adiaforoi. Tha to dw ws
mia morfh ekfrashs ths texnhs kai epeidh den mou aresoun ws thema, tha
tous prosegkisw apo allh gwnia . . . px kata poso empnesmenoi einai. Allo
na leei xinw sth mapa ths Mpanagias kai allo ekspermatwnwntas eblabika
sta agna malia ths Parthenas Marias. Kleinwntas, kapote eixe ginei ena
topic me titlo "Stixoi pou den katalabainetai alla sas aresoun". Pragmatika
brhka ton titlo teleiws afelh kai ilithio. Den kserw gia tous allous, alla
proswpika mporw na dwsw erminia se kathe stixo kai as mhn exei kai poli
sxesh me to olo nohma. Px ama enas stixos leei gia narkwtika h sxetizetai
me politikh paizei na mhn to katalabw kai na to erminefsw teleiws alliws.
So what? Etsi goustarw, etsi to erminebw. Opxoios den t' aresei, problhma
tou. Den prokeitai na tou epibalw thn apopsh mou, opote as mhn me prizei.

[eyeamflesch]

Gab, se periptwsi poy den tokseres, o MPOUTSAS GAMOYSE EKSAPANEKATHEN.

[The Butcher]

gia na apolaysei kaneis ti mousiki (i akoma k to paketo stixwn-mousikis, giati k oi stixoi panw se mousiki einai prwta mousiki k meta logia) de xreiazetai oute na einai mousikos oute na milaei ksenes glwsses. den tha eprepe kan pisteyw na vasanizei to myalo tou me skepseis, sto vathmo pou ayto einai dynaton. etsi pisteyw oti apolamvanei k ektimaei kaneis "swsta" tin texni.

episis i "poiotita" twn stixwn den einai eykola metrisimo megethos. oso kala k an milas ti glwssa, poso sigouros mporeis na eisai gia to nohma kapoiwn stixwn? pws mporeis na ksereis ypo poies synthikes graftikan k to ti eixe sto myalo tou/ti thelise na ekfrasei aytos pou tous egrapse? i syggrafi stixwn einai gia mena logotexnia, opote vl. ti egrapsa parapanw peri texnis.

xeirokrotw orthios me alalagmoys. eyge.

h monh diafwnia moy sta eksaisia poy egrapses einai h ekshs. apolytws yperoxo einai na aisthanetai o akroaths pragmata (otidhpote, opws eipes), alla gia mena prwtarxikh yphresia ths moysikhs einai ston moysiko. na ekfrastei o idios. ki as mhn ton akoyse/krinei/apolaysei kaneis aparaithta.

kata ta alla, poly dynato post.
gabriel NAI, AKRIVWS ETSI!!

vsk apo ti mia einai o kallitexnis. kanei texni, dil tpt parapanw apo auto pou aisthanetai tin anagki na kanei: vazei ti zwi tou oli mesa se notes/ mpogies/ lekseis/ whatever. de noiazetai gia tin antapokrisi pou tha vrei. einai idi gematos ap'auto pou tou synevh.

apo tin alli meria einai o apodektis. den exei sxesi me to dimiourgo, einai allos anthrwpos. exei sxesi mono me ayto pou akouei/vlepei/ diavazei. einai mataio na prospathisei na mpei sti thesi tou kallitexni, na skeftei "ti mporei na ennoei edw?", "posi mousiki kserei gia na egrapse ayto?" klp. to thema einai na vrei tin ousia pisw apo ayta...

gabriel xairomai pou yparxoun anthrwpoi pou skeftontai opws esy. fovamai oti den einai polloi k giayto xairomai 2 fores :)

[Broccoli]

apo tin alli meria einai o apodektis. den exei sxesi me to dimiourgo, einai allos anthrwpos. exei sxesi mono me ayto pou akouei/vlepei/ diavazei. einai mataio na prospathisei na mpei sti thesi tou kallitexni, na skeftei "ti mporei na ennoei edw?", "posi mousiki kserei gia na egrapse ayto?" klp. to thema einai na vrei tin ousia pisw apo ayta...

Αυτό. Τελεία και παύλα.

[viva_emptiness]

An kai den eimai kai tooso eidiki na sxoliaso to topic afoy molis prin 2 xronia meta apo myhsi apo filo, arxisa nakouo+na poronomai me ti metal mousiki,(den arxisa diladi apo tin proimi efiviki ilikia opos sxedon oloi edo) parolayta se prosopiko epipedo sena tragoydi tha me aggixei prota i melodia tou, kai epeita tha asxolitho me to ti lene oi stixoi. H glossa den nomizo oti einai idiaitero provlima poy tha me empodizei na katannoiso ti lene oi stixoi. Den pisteyo oti aparaitita rythmos kai stixoi prepei na symvadizoyn,gia paradeigma sena poly dynato tragoydi o stixoyrgos mporei na ekfrazei ton pono mias apoleias alla me toso dynamiko tropo poy na me aggizei to idio(mporei kai parapano) m'ena pio melodiko tragoydi.

[rockavlon]

kai o malmsteen paizei texnikws swsta kai o donnati den xanei metrhmata.
kai oxi ola ta black DEN einai swsta metrhmena.

epishs.

AN poume oti to idio einai to the WALL kai to idio to CHERRY PIE.
i oti sto the wall - apla AKOUS mousikh. dekto ....

[Starbreaker]

epishs xreizeste ousies gia na sas dieukolynoun na apolausete th mosuikh ?

[House Of Low Culture]

epishs xreizeste ousies gia na sas dieukolynoun na apolausete th mosuikh ?
Oxi.Aplws vothane na thn deis apo oles optikes gwnies pou dn 8a skeftousoun kan an hsoun Sober.:P

[mankey]

epishs xreizeste ousies gia na sas dieukolynoun na apolausete th mosuikh ?
Oxi.Aplws vothane na thn deis apo oles optikes gwnies pou dn 8a skeftousoun kan an hsoun Sober.:P
daksei ama tis mousikes pou akous tis grafoun skatomastouria
logiko einai na xreiazetai na mastourwseis gia na tis katalaveis

[VirusXI]

:moutza:

[House Of Low Culture]

8A ME PEIS KAI POU PHGAINE H MOYTZA?

[rockavlon]

pst akou psyxerdelia kai akou psyxerdelia ypo thn ephhrei LSD. oi Liquid sound company sto deutero, lene drop acid gia na thn akousete KALYTERA.

pwpw parekshghsh pou peftei.... :P

who ever has the fly - flies :P

[The Good Son]

epishs xreizeste ousies gia na sas dieukolynoun na apolausete th mosuikh ?
Oxi.Aplws vothane na thn deis apo oles optikes gwnies pou dn 8a skeftousoun kan an hsoun Sober.:P
daksei ama tis mousikes pou akous tis grafoun skatomastouria
logiko einai na xreiazetai na mastourwseis gia na tis katalaveisexeis ypopsin sou to "the piper at the gates of dawn" twn floyd?

[rockavlon]

syd - ACID !!! :D :lsd:

lucy in the sauchage dorm
lovely susan does
load save delete.
lucifer satan devil

[necropethamenos]

tha symfwnisw me butcher sxedon. Egw mallon to vlepw akomi pio "elefthera" to olo thema "texni".

gia mena den yparxei kan logos na exeis OPOIADIPOTE sxesi me tin texni gia na thewrithei i apopsi sou swsti i lathos. I texni yparxei kai paragetai gia OLOUS mas, gnwstes i asxetous. O vasikos tis rolos einai i ekfrasi tou kallitexni, oxi i krisi.

Ena ergo texnis aresei se mena ton anideo? Afto arkei.
Ena ergo texnis DEN m'aresei? E den m'aresei. KAI NA IKSERA pws na to krinw, pali den tha m'arese. Den einai diladi thema sygkrisewn, einai kathara thema "m'aggizei/dem'aggizei".

Otan tha krinoume an ena kommati einai swsta metronomimeno, an o kitharistas paizei vrwmika me lathi, an einai kwlofaltsos o tragoudistis exoume perasei stin krisi tis TEXNIKIS kai oxi tou ergou ws ergo texnis. Gia na krineis tin TEXNIKI kapoiou, tote ontws xreiazesai tis analoges gnwseis epi tou thematos.

Opoios pei oti o tade drummer einai kalyteros san drummer apo kapoion allon kai esy ws gnwstis mporeis na apodeikseis to antitheto (me TEXNIKOUS orous) tote nai, mporeis na peis oti allos einai enas mpoufos kai esy exeis dikio.

Kata ta alla to na katanoiseis i oxi afto pou akous einai ena entelws flou thema giati pote den ksereis an afto pou katanoeis einai afto pou o kallitexnis ithele na katanoeiseis. Den ksereis KAN an ITHELE na katanoiseis kati, i estw kati sygkekrimeno.

Telos, oson afora ton tropo pou akouw mousiki, i ailtheia einai oti ena kommati me SKATA stixous alla wraia mousiki mporei na ginei akoma kai to agapimeno mou kommati (axaxouxa batllehymns mounakia) alla ena kommati me GAMATOUS stixous kai skata mousiki den exei elpides. Fysika oi oroi "gamatos" kai "wraios" einai panta ypokeimenikoi, min peite malakia e.

[rockavlon]

ok o mpetoben einai gia ton mpoutso
i kokkinou einai poiothta.

????

how does that sound ?

basika. einai poly pio eukolo ena atomo me texnikh, na paragei kai texnh, oxi aparaithto alla pio eukolo.

kai de milame gia mousikh mono.

an egw xesw panw se ena telaro - den einai texnh, akoma ki an ekfrazei ta katabatha tou enterou mou. prepei na aplwsw to skato me texnikh kai na to "doulepsw", wste to ergo mou na xarakthrhstei ws i XRYSH kourada.

mporeis na sygkrineis to mindcrim pou leei o logos me to algalord saga twn klapsody ? oxi.

parapempw se sxolio pou exei kanei o gene simmons peri texnhs, ton agaphto necropethameno.

den prepei na apporiptoume kai na katadikazoume - thn thelhsh kapoiou na ekfrastei kallitexnika, alla den mporoume para na krinoume, to poso epityxhmena to kanei auto. kai OXI me kritiria YPOKEIMENIKA (m aresei de m aresei) alla me kritiria texnikhs, me kritiria protwtypias, me kritiria koinwnika kai politismika, an xreiazete kai me bash kapoias dedomenhs prwterhs expertise.

den mporw na perimenw i gnwmh mou panw se anagenhsiakous pinakes na exei baros, dioti den exw gnwsh tou antikeimenou, oute toulaxisto eparkh ekthesh se auto, wste na exw ena gut feeling... pou kai pali den tha to dexomoun san eparkes krithrio.

AN den sou aresei kati, den shmainei oti einai kako, shmainei oti mporei na mhn katexeis akoma thn wrimothta skepshs, ta erethismata, i thn gnwsh gia na to ektimhseis swsta.

epishs enw enas kallitexnhs me kakh texnikh, mporei na exei mia orea idea, den shmainei oti i idea tou tha metousiwthei se texnh me ton pio idakino tropo. enw an enas MASTER exei mia empneush, einai poly eukolo na thn pragmatwsei kai na thn metatrepsei se ergo texnhs, pou gia logous deutereuontes(zhleia, agnoia) kai ypokeimenikous, o tyxaios parathrhths mporei na mhn ektimhsei. auta....

tha phgenes SE ENAN KAKO TATTOOAZA ? oxi, e ki autos tha ekfrazotan an se ekane skata tattoo, alla auto den einai to zhtoumeno. to paradeigma mporei na paralaxthei kai na anaxthei kai se allous tomeis ths koinwnikhs zwhs.



opws blepete EXW SOBARH diathesh gia koubenta kai oxi prothesh gia flame, sebasteite to

[eyeamflesch]

ok o mpetoben einai gia ton mpoutso
i kokkinou einai poiothta.

????

how does that sound ?

basika. einai poly pio eukolo ena atomo me texnikh, na paragei kai texnh, oxi aparaithto alla pio eukolo.

kai de milame gia mousikh mono.

an egw xesw panw se ena telaro - den einai texnh, akoma ki an ekfrazei ta katabatha tou enterou mou. prepei na aplwsw to skato me texnikh kai na to "doulepsw", wste to ergo mou na xarakthrhstei ws i XRYSH kourada.

mporeis na sygkrineis to mindcrim pou leei o logos me to algalord saga twn klapsody ? oxi.

parapempw se sxolio pou exei kanei o gene simmons peri texnhs, ton agaphto necropethameno.

den prepei na apporiptoume kai na katadikazoume - thn thelhsh kapoiou na ekfrastei kallitexnika, alla den mporoume para na krinoume, to poso epityxhmena to kanei auto. kai OXI me kritiria YPOKEIMENIKA (m aresei de m aresei) alla me kritiria texnikhs, me kritiria protwtypias, me kritiria koinwnika kai politismika, an xreiazete kai me bash kapoias dedomenhs prwterhs expertise.

den mporw na perimenw i gnwmh mou panw se anagenhsiakous pinakes na exei baros, dioti den exw gnwsh tou antikeimenou, oute toulaxisto eparkh ekthesh se auto, wste na exw ena gut feeling... pou kai pali den tha to dexomoun san eparkes krithrio.

AN den sou aresei kati, den shmainei oti einai kako, shmainei oti mporei na mhn katexeis akoma thn wrimothta skepshs, ta erethismata, i thn gnwsh gia na to ektimhseis swsta.

epishs enw enas kallitexnhs me kakh texnikh, mporei na exei mia orea idea, den shmainei oti i idea tou tha metousiwthei se texnh me ton pio idakino tropo. enw an enas MASTER exei mia empneush, einai poly eukolo na thn pragmatwsei kai na thn metatrepsei se ergo texnhs, pou gia logous deutereuontes(zhleia, agnoia) kai ypokeimenikous, o tyxaios parathrhths mporei na mhn ektimhsei. auta....

tha phgenes SE ENAN KAKO TATTOOAZA ? oxi, e ki autos tha ekfrazotan an se ekane skata tattoo, alla auto den einai to zhtoumeno. to paradeigma mporei na paralaxthei kai na anaxthei kai se allous tomeis ths koinwnikhs zwhs.



opws blepete EXW SOBARH diathesh gia koubenta kai oxi prothesh gia flame, sebasteite to

Isws san orimaseis loipon ki apoxtiseis gnwsi pgioteri les na goustareis kai black metal?

Katatalla, to na proballeis ston nekro ton orizmo peri texnis apo to stoma tou Simons einai eFtrapelo :D

[Gabriel]

ok o mpetoben einai gia ton mpoutso
i kokkinou einai poiothta.

????

how does that sound ?


it sounds like it's time you shut the fuck up.



basika. einai poly pio eukolo ena atomo me texnikh, na paragei kai texnh, oxi aparaithto alla pio eukolo.


kai de milame gia mousikh mono.


ayto einai en merh swsto.



an egw xesw panw se ena telaro - den einai texnh, akoma ki an ekfrazei ta katabatha tou enterou mou. prepei na aplwsw to skato me texnikh kai na to "doulepsw", wste to ergo mou na xarakthrhstei ws i XRYSH kourada.


alla logia nagapiomaste.

an to xesimo htan ekfrash, tote to anoigokleisma ths blefaridas tha htan ekfrash, to shkwma ths trixas tha htan ekfrash, o xtypos ths kardias tha htan ekfrash kai to makryma twn nyxiwn tha htan ekfrash. den einai omws.



mporeis na sygkrineis to mindcrim pou leei o logos me to algalord saga twn klapsody ? oxi.


TOTE GIATI TO KANEIS RE GKASMA?



parapempw se sxolio pou exei kanei o gene simmons peri texnhs, ton agaphto necropethameno.

den prepei na apporiptoume kai na katadikazoume - thn thelhsh kapoiou na ekfrastei kallitexnika, alla den mporoume para na krinoume, to poso epityxhmena to kanei auto. kai OXI me kritiria YPOKEIMENIKA (m aresei de m aresei) alla me kritiria texnikhs, me kritiria protwtypias, me kritiria koinwnika kai politismika, an xreiazete kai me bash kapoias dedomenhs prwterhs expertise.

en merh, leme, yparxei kapoio dikio, apo leitoyrgikhs apopshs. alla efoson oyte esy oyte o simmons tha bretheite pote mesa se kapoion gia na krinete me ta dika sas hlithia krithria pws tha mporoyse na ekfrasei "kalytera" ayto poy exei mesa toy, den briskw to point idiaitera shmantiko.




AN den sou aresei kati, den shmainei oti einai kako, shmainei oti mporei na mhn katexeis akoma thn wrimothta skepshs, ta erethismata, i thn gnwsh gia na to ektimhseis swsta.


h, pio eykola, mporei na shmainei oti APLA DE SOY ARESEI, kai telos. wrimothta skepshs? WRIMOTHTA SKEPSHS? o theos kai h panagia. exei na kanei me ekpaideysh kai ekthesh se erethismara (opws eipes), nai, "wrimothta" omws einai teleiws malakismenos oros.


epishs enw enas kallitexnhs me kakh texnikh, mporei na exei mia orea idea, den shmainei oti i idea tou tha metousiwthei se texnh me ton pio idakino tropo. enw an enas MASTER exei mia empneush, einai poly eukolo na thn pragmatwsei kai na thn metatrepsei se ergo texnhs, pou gia logous deutereuontes(zhleia, agnoia) kai ypokeimenikous, o tyxaios parathrhths mporei na mhn ektimhsei. auta....

edw, epeidh epanalambaneis to point parapanw, soy epanalambanw oti en merh exeis dikio. alla h diakrish einai kai poly tholh kai poly sxetikh kai apolytws irrelevant sthn oysia toy ti einai texnh kai ti kallitexnhs. an to parapanw, btw, to thewreis epixeirhma yper ths pantelws planhmenhs diakrishs poy thes na peraseis oti yparxei KALH texnh, KAKH texnh kai KALYTERH texnh, tote tha soy proteina na bgaleis apo to myalo soy ayto poy nomizeis oti einai h texnh (enas mparok aynanismos deksiotexnias me pisth sthn "katharothta" kai ton "realismo") kai na to antikatastiseis me ayto poy einai h texnh (kai ayto einai, poly genika, mono idees kai ekfrash).



tha phgenes SE ENAN KAKO TATTOOAZA ? oxi, e ki autos tha ekfrazotan an se ekane skata tattoo, alla auto den einai to zhtoumeno.

h sytriptikh pleiopshfia twn tattoos den exoyn, sth syllhpsh kai thn paragwgh toys, to elaxisto na kanoyn me texnh. ki ayto giati, enw h apotypwsh eikonwn sto derma, einai enas wraiotatos tropos ekfrashs, ta perissotera ginontai apo standardised vivlia. (den leei kati ayto, polloi ayta exoyme) Antithetws, me ton orismo poy dinw egw sthn texnh, o kallitexnhs einai aytos poy kanei commision to tattoo, giati aytos efrazetai apo thn epilogh. h prothesh exei shmasia, oxi h ektelesh.

einai texnh o original caravaggio? einai texnh mia eksisoy aristh texnika anaparagwgh enos caravaggio? einai texnh h afisa toys idioy caravaggio? ti apo ola ayta einai texnh kai ti apla mia xrwmatikh synthesh me diakosmhtikh aksia?

an htan etsi, oloi oi conceptual kallitexnes (me ayta poy les) tha briskontan ektos toy kallitexnikoy fasmatos, giati aytoi exoyn apla idees (ena anakatemeno krebati, mia talaipwrhmenh sxedia) kai sthn oysia DEN KANOYN APOLYTWS TIPOTA sthn ektelestikh pleyra. otan o typas phge kai koykoylwse to Reichstag (<-- tha me sygxwresoyn oi germanofwnes, den kserw pws grafetai), poios htan o kallitexnhs? aytos poy eixe thn idea, h' aytos poy erapse toys moysamades?????


to paradeigma mporei na paralaxthei kai na anaxthei kai se allous tomeis ths koinwnikhs zwhs.

anatrixiasa. alhtheia.



opws blepete EXW SOBARH diathesh gia koubenta kai oxi prothesh gia flame, sebasteite to

to sebasthka.

[The Butcher]

ok o mpetoben einai gia ton mpoutso
i kokkinou einai poiothta.

????

how does that sound ?

basika. einai poly pio eukolo ena atomo me texnikh, na paragei kai texnh, oxi aparaithto alla pio eukolo.

kai de milame gia mousikh mono.

an egw xesw panw se ena telaro - den einai texnh, akoma ki an ekfrazei ta katabatha tou enterou mou. prepei na aplwsw to skato me texnikh kai na to "doulepsw", wste to ergo mou na xarakthrhstei ws i XRYSH kourada.

mporeis na sygkrineis to mindcrim pou leei o logos me to algalord saga twn klapsody ? oxi.

parapempw se sxolio pou exei kanei o gene simmons peri texnhs, ton agaphto necropethameno.

den prepei na apporiptoume kai na katadikazoume - thn thelhsh kapoiou na ekfrastei kallitexnika, alla den mporoume para na krinoume, to poso epityxhmena to kanei auto. kai OXI me kritiria YPOKEIMENIKA (m aresei de m aresei) alla me kritiria texnikhs, me kritiria protwtypias, me kritiria koinwnika kai politismika, an xreiazete kai me bash kapoias dedomenhs prwterhs expertise.

den mporw na perimenw i gnwmh mou panw se anagenhsiakous pinakes na exei baros, dioti den exw gnwsh tou antikeimenou, oute toulaxisto eparkh ekthesh se auto, wste na exw ena gut feeling... pou kai pali den tha to dexomoun san eparkes krithrio.

AN den sou aresei kati, den shmainei oti einai kako, shmainei oti mporei na mhn katexeis akoma thn wrimothta skepshs, ta erethismata, i thn gnwsh gia na to ektimhseis swsta.

epishs enw enas kallitexnhs me kakh texnikh, mporei na exei mia orea idea, den shmainei oti i idea tou tha metousiwthei se texnh me ton pio idakino tropo. enw an enas MASTER exei mia empneush, einai poly eukolo na thn pragmatwsei kai na thn metatrepsei se ergo texnhs, pou gia logous deutereuontes(zhleia, agnoia) kai ypokeimenikous, o tyxaios parathrhths mporei na mhn ektimhsei. auta....

tha phgenes SE ENAN KAKO TATTOOAZA ? oxi, e ki autos tha ekfrazotan an se ekane skata tattoo, alla auto den einai to zhtoumeno. to paradeigma mporei na paralaxthei kai na anaxthei kai se allous tomeis ths koinwnikhs zwhs.



opws blepete EXW SOBARH diathesh gia koubenta kai oxi prothesh gia flame, sebasteite to
rockavlon, tha ithela na sou apantisw alla fernontas akraia paradeigmata opws "einai to xesimo texni?" me dyskoleyeis para poly (tha mou epairne arketi wra na diatypwsw swsta mia oloklirwmeni apantisi k variemai na to kanw) k episis mou deixneis oti arneisai na prospathiseis na katalaveis.

stin texni pantws oso nohma den exei to na krineis allo toso nohma den exei to na sygkrineis (isxyei gia ola ta paragwga rimata tou krinw). ayta pou vazeis dipla dipla mpetoben k kokkinou k rhapsody k ryche einai xazomares. les k alla akyra sto post sou- episis ayto pou leei o kk simmons exei kapoia vasi alla min to parermineyete (esy i opoiodipote allos): kante opoiadhpote kritiki se ena ergo texnis, me vasi o,ti kritiria thelete, mi nomizete omws oti exei kapoia varynousa simasia gia opoiondhpote pera apo ton eayto sas. variemai na to analysw to parapanw sorry.

mesa s'ola ayta pou les, me alla ap'ta opoia diafwnw k alla einai xazamares, petas k ayto:

AN den sou aresei kati, den shmainei oti einai kako, shmainei oti mporei na mhn katexeis akoma thn wrimothta skepshs, ta erethismata, i thn gnwsh gia na to ektimhseis swsta.
edw exeis kati na peis. tha mporousa na pw oti symfwnw m'auti sou tin protasi an anti gia "swsta" egrafes "diaforetika". giati i ennoia tou "swstou" einai kati gia to opoio de tha mporeseis na eisai vevaios pote outws i allws. an kati de saresei, de simainei aparaitita oute oti kati paei strava m'ayto pou de s'aresei, oute oti kati paei strava m'esena.

necropethamene :thumbsup:

[BlackMetal]

AN den sou aresei kati, den shmainei oti einai kako, shmainei oti mporei na mhn katexeis akoma thn wrimothta skepshs, ta erethismata, i thn gnwsh gia na to ektimhseis swsta.

btw auto einai apisteuta theiko (na to leei o rokavlos).
paizei na nai i megalyteri antifasi stin istoria tou graptou logou.


eisai megalos karagkiozis agori mou.

[rockavlon]

1 na dieukrinisw oti den leei auto o simmons - o simmons exei pei poia texnh ki @@ , ola einia FRAGKA. osoi nomizoun oti kanoun texnh kapnizoun krak :P

2on polloi mesa sto thread auto probaloun to diko tous apodekto, san kalo.

3on. oi sygkriseis einai epithdes akyres, EIRWNIA, dioti yparxoun kapoies poly apolytes gnwmes, opws auth se RED pou eipe o necropethamenos

4on. plz do not quote oloklhra keimena.

[The Butcher]

2on polloi mesa sto thread auto probaloun to diko tous apodekto, san kalo.
eleos apopseis leme, san ti tha tis provalloume, san kako?

de lew oti "ta kserw ola k kante ayto pou lew", apla proteinw ayta pou lew na ta lavete ligo yp'opsin, etsi san alli apopsi- kati mporei na exoun na poun...

[Gabriel]

1 na dieukrinisw oti den leei auto o simmons - o simmons exei pei poia texnh ki @@ , ola einia FRAGKA. osoi nomizoun oti kanoun texnh kapnizoun krak :P


o simmons profanws xrhsimopoioyse mpogies otan oi epiptwseis toys ston anthrwpino egkefalo den eixan eksereynhthei plhrws.

btw....


1 na dieukrinisw oti den leei auto o simmons - o simmons exei pei poia texnh ki @@ , ola einia FRAGKA. osoi nomizoun oti kanoun texnh kapnizoun krak :P



parapempw se sxolio pou exei kanei o gene simmons peri texnhs


xm....

[BlackMetal]

xaaxxaxa psofao pou prospatheite na milisete logika me rokavlo (kai na sevasteite tin epithymia tou na mi ginei flame).

[rockavlon]

antiparerxomai, thn ybrh tou filatatou symph,



alla logia nagapiomaste.

an to xesimo htan ekfrash, tote to anoigokleisma ths blefaridas tha htan ekfrash, to shkwma ths trixas tha htan ekfrash, o xtypos ths kardias tha htan ekfrash kai to makryma twn nyxiwn tha htan ekfrash. den einai omws.

katholou - THE ART OF LIFE - and living it. to synolo twn skepsewn, prakswn, morfhs, idewn, logou, texnh ktl ktl ou mporei na paragei ena atomo sth zwh tou, o tropos me ton opoio milaei kineitai, feretai, synanastrefetai alla atoma mporei na einai ena eidos ahem TEXNHS, exou bon viveure, playboy, suave, gentleman, PRas, modelo ktl.

Apla, epeidh to sex kai to xrhma, droun san katalyths, htexnh ypoferei.

epishs i texnh, den einai anagkaio na ekfrazei thn kalaisthisia.
yparxei i popular art. texnh gia katanalwsh.
Trash. gia sabourolatreis.
kai fine arts - oi kales texnes.

kai gia na mhn fanw pouritanos. to gymno swma, parablepwntas ta opoia psegadia einia YPEROXO

apla, i xrhsh tou einai asxhmh.

lx. giati na mhn yparxoun tainies me CELEBRATED / celebrities htopoious, eksoloklhrou gymnous, katholh th diarkeia. etsi tha den tha yphrxe o BEBEKISMOS. .. pare 100 pontous gia to CAP.

akoma

enw i pleiopshfia apo tous xrhstes tou forum - sto SEXION apanta arnhtika, sto an exei syneurethei me koines gyniakes, kai oxi monon auto alla tis lloidwroun kai tis ypobibazoun, eimai PLEON bebaiws, oti den sas enoxlei i PORNOGRAFIA. Oxi mono einai ANEKTH, alla ta teleutaia xronia isws themith, kai meson prosodou gia pollous kai einai eurews katanaloumenh. 60+ % apo to trafic se isp ypologizetai oti einai TSODES
(exw doulepsei se brettaniko isp.)

ki omws pornografia einai i APEIKONHSH THS PORNHS.
to briskw arrwsto kai antifatiko.

[rockavlon]

agaphte file sympho - i can logikotata compose myself - kai na ton ekrasw - apla it takes some effort. kai ef oson den yparxei periptwsh na mhn ginei ths porphs - y should i even bother :P

[BlackMetal]

treis laloun kai dyo xoreuoun.


otan erthei o x,y kai sou pei oti i mousiki pou akous einai trash-savoura epeidi einai grigori,epithetiki kai me mia synexi ilektriki paramorfosi,prospathise na ton peiseis oti den einai etsi.

enas pinakas tou da vinci den einai fine art?
ki omos ena ergo tou exei ginei to pio anagnorisimo popular oxima gia katanalosi.kai isxyei kai to antistrofo fysika.

kapoia stigmi prepei na katalaveis oti auto pou xeis sto kefali sou einai mia ekdoxi tis pragmatikotitas


edit : kai auti einai i teleutaia fora pou prospatho na sou miliso sovara.

[Gabriel]

xwris plaka rockavlon exeis problhma anaptykshs idewn. arxises apo kati poy eipa, diafwnhses me kati poy eipes prin, gamhses ligo th mana ths texnhs peri fine arts kai pop art ktl kai mesw 190237123 asynarthsiwn (including dhlwseis gia to ti eisai, poy tha eprepe ne eixes katalabei apo kairo oti den mas endiaferoyn) katelhkses sto sexion kai tis pornes.

arxizw na nomizw oti:

1) den exeis anaptyksei mia syneph, statherh apopsh.
2) pas opoy se fyshksei o ageras kai se ksevrasei to kyma.
3) exeis mia intrinsic akampsia sto na aporrofas ta points allwn.

[BlackMetal]

arxizw na nomizw oti:

1) den exeis anaptyksei mia syneph, statherh apopsh.
2) pas opoy se fyshksei o ageras kai se ksevrasei to kyma.
3) exeis mia intrinsic akampsia sto na aporrofas ta points allwn.

kallio arga para pote.

sofos o laos telika

[blackbird]

to pio mperdemeno tpic tou er, de mporw na to parakolouthisw me tpt
anakefalwste plz

[The Butcher]

xwris plaka rockavlon exeis problhma anaptykshs idewn. arxises apo kati poy eipa, diafwnhses me kati poy eipes prin, gamhses ligo th mana ths texnhs peri fine arts kai pop art ktl kai mesw 190237123 asynarthsiwn (including dhlwseis gia to ti eisai, poy tha eprepe ne eixes katalabei apo kairo oti den mas endiaferoyn) katelhkses sto sexion kai tis pornes.

arxizw na nomizw oti:

1) den exeis anaptyksei mia syneph, statherh apopsh.
2) pas opoy se fyshksei o ageras kai se ksevrasei to kyma.
3) exeis mia intrinsic akampsia sto na aporrofas ta points allwn.
ayto akrivws pragmatika- apla variomoun na postarw.

dineis tin entypwsi oti den exeis mia sygekrimeni apopsi. ekanes ena thread me titlo "katanohsh sth mousiki" pou mou fanike eksarxis endiaferon giati "katanohsh" k "texnh" den nomizw oti einai symvates ennoies, opws fanhke nomizw ap'ayta pou eipa sta prohgoumena posts mou.

epeita arxises na anakateyeis diafora pragmata, na petas rhseis pou erxontai se antifash me thn prwtarxiki apopsi pou fanhke na ypostirizeis sta prwta posts sou. episis pote den (i mallon se para poly liga simeia) edwses tin entypwsi oti diavazeis k (prospatheis na) katalavaineis ayta pou apantame.

de vgazw akri...

[chris_boss]

http://www.electricrequiem.com/viewtopic.php?t=9070

[rockavlon]

oxi apla Zw mia arketa demanding life ,auth thn periodo, kanw alla 300 pramata, metaxy twn posts, pou mporei na mhn fainontai alla egw ta kanw

epishs prospathw na apanthsw OSO plhrestera ginetai, xwris na afhsw anapanthta points, opws polloi kanoun otan den tous symferei, i apporiptwntas ena point all together.

epishs - epeidh exw mia X thewrhsh panw sta pragmata kai sto gignestai - alla to pneuma mou einai ANYSHXO, (eite suto endierei eite oxi mia kasta atomwn den to eksetazw - oute me endiaferei) prepei na ekfrasw tis skepseis mou. to point about the WHORES, einai oti enw atoma tis apostefontai - antistrofws analogos arithmos atomwn katanalwnei - i den apodokimazei thn apeikonhsh / ekmetaleush tou proiontos autwn.
POLY LOGIKO afou einai prosodoforo (just a social observation)... ontas ligo asxeth.

Den pisteuw oti exw idiaitero problhma anaptyxhs twn thesewn mou.
an postara ligotero syxna kai den egrafa oti mou katebene alla to synetasa kai to diatypwna swsta kai to egraa orthografhmena, i poiothta toso tou logou oso kai i roh twn idewn mou tha htan kalyterh kai pio domhmenh.

1) den exeis anaptyksei mia syneph, statherh apopsh.
oxi - akoma m aresoun auta pou m aresoun kai apostrefomai auta pou apostrefomoun. AKYRO
2) pas opoy se fyshksei o ageras kai se ksevrasei to kyma.
nai zhtw to nu kai to black. ti paizei avrio ? AKYRO
3) exeis mia intrinsic akampsia sto na aporrofas ta poitns allwn.
eggenh akampsia ? dhladh oti eimai anikanos na katanohsw ?!
amfiballw. apla eimai headstrong and cock-sure :P haha...

[BlackMetal]

2) pas opoy se fyshksei o ageras kai se ksevrasei to kyma.
nai zhtw to nu kai to black. ti paizei avrio ? AKYRO

black metal : mousiko parakladi tou heavy metal pou ksepidise prin merikous mines kai vrisketai sti moda tis teleutaies 2 evdomades kai anevainei stadiaka sti syneidisi tou koinou,kerdizontas polyarithmous filous kai airplay sto mtv kai tous radiofonikous stathmous tis polis mas.

[Gabriel]

1) den exeis anaptyksei mia syneph, statherh apopsh.
oxi - akoma m aresoun auta pou m aresoun kai apostrefomai auta pou apostrefomoun. AKYRO
2) pas opoy se fyshksei o ageras kai se ksevrasei to kyma.
nai zhtw to nu kai to black. ti paizei avrio ? AKYRO
3) exeis mia intrinsic akampsia sto na aporrofas ta poitns allwn.
eggenh akampsia ? dhladh oti eimai anikanos na katanohsw ?!
amfiballw. apla eimai headstrong and cock-sure :P haha...

gia tis malakies poy les, milaw, oxi gia ayta poy akoys, gamw to spiti moy.

[Dragonlord]

Δεν έχω το κουράγιο να τοποθετηθώ σφαιρικά, απλά ήθελα να πω πως η πορνογραφία ΔΕΝ είναι "η απεικόνιση της πόρνης". Η ημιμάθεια, ωστόσο, εξακολουθεί να είναι χειρότερη από την αμάθεια.

[S-11]

sas katanow olous

[rockavlon]

xm - let the flames burn higher.

black metal - mousiko ???? eidos, pou an den eixan paiksei maxairies, an den eixan kapsei 2 eklhsies ktl, kapoia atoma pou kataxrazontai ousies, kata ena megalo bathmo sterountai mousikhs deinothtas, (eksairountai hellhammer kai 5-6 akoma),pou pollakis sterountai gnwshs AGGLIKHS, kai an den eixe daneisthei thn theatrikh aisthitikh, twn SAHB, KISS kai loipwn kathws kai stoixeia apo VENOM h den tha yphrxe, sthn protoleia morfh ths, h kai an yphrxe - to appeal ths tha htan meiwmeno.

o cronos einai cool - st arxidia tou ki larger than life ...

lately - mono oi COF kai oi DIMMU - tou ferane LAO - kai auto prin apo liga xronia .... kai fysik most of those not so black metal bands ans einai gkomenes - pou goustaroun ton misoriksia dani -

na parapepsw sto rocking kai sto mhn brizete ton antra mou post ?!??!

mercy plz.



epishs DEITE sto blabbermouth - ATOMA ARESKONTAI SE METAL mpantes me satanistikous stixous alla dhlwnoun xristianoi. amerikanoi kyriws.

antifash ?!

wx gia flame paei kai den to thela.
PLZ LOK or sth. i Sympho let it die.

[BlackMetal]

black metal - mousiko ???? eidos, pou an den eixan paiksei maxairies, an den eixan kapsei 2 eklhsies ktl, kapoia atoma pou kataxrazontai ousies, kata ena megalo bathmo sterountai mousikhs deinothtas, (eksairountai hellhammer kai 5-6 akoma),pou pollakis sterountai gnwshs AGGLIKHS, kai an den eixe daneisthei thn theatrikh aisthitikh, twn SAHB, KISS kai loipwn kathws kai stoixeia apo VENOM h den tha yphrxe, sthn protoleia morfh ths, h kai an yphrxe - to appeal ths tha htan meiwmeno.

o cronos einai cool - st arxidia tou ki larger than life ...

lately - mono oi COF kai oi DIMMU - tou ferane LAO - kai auto prin apo liga xronia .... kai fysik most of those not so black metal bands ans einai gkomenes - pou goustaroun ton misoriksia dani -




2) pas opoy se fyshksei o ageras kai se ksevrasei to kyma.
nai zhtw to nu kai to black. ti paizei avrio ? AKYRO

ta symperasmata dika sas.

behold the land of promise : O ANTHROPOS - ANTIFASI.

toulaxiston re mpaglama prin postareis vlepe ti exeis grapsei 3 posts noritera

[rockavlon]

ok me egxordo player.

[Gabriel]

black metal - mousiko ???? eidos, pou an den eixan paiksei maxairies, an den eixan kapsei 2 eklhsies ktl, kapoia atoma pou kataxrazontai ousies, kata ena megalo bathmo sterountai mousikhs deinothtas

afoy telika tha soy bgei. ti to maskareveis me sovares syzhthseis kai kaloys tropoys kai xanoyme thn wra mas ki emeis oi malakes kai soy apantame? afoy telika theleis pali na krakseis ta panta kai na mas peiseis oti mono esy akoys moysikh giati eisai kapoios_pio_enhmerwmenos_arkoaths_me_eyaisthhsies_kai_moysikh_paideia.

[rockavlon]

ok - u got what u wanted.

still - to kokkino tou post mou isxyei.

oi stixoi twn beherit apla den me bgazoun pseuth.
einai texnh panathema tous.

[BlackMetal]

poios ypostirikse oti einai?

edit :

EKTOS APO SENA FYSIKA :


katholou - THE ART OF LIFE - and living it. to synolo twn skepsewn, prakswn, morfhs, idewn, logou, texnh ktl ktl ou mporei na paragei ena atomo sth zwh tou, o tropos me ton opoio milaei kineitai, feretai, synanastrefetai alla atoma mporei na einai ena eidos ahem TEXNHS, exou bon viveure, playboy, suave, gentleman, PRas, modelo ktl.


...........


mlk eisai APISTEUTOS.

[rockavlon]

ksexases to ftou sou rezilh... EISAI APISTEUTOS !

[eyeamflesch]

black metal - mousiko ???? eidos, pou an den eixan paiksei maxairies, an den eixan kapsei 2 eklhsies ktl, kapoia atoma pou kataxrazontai ousies, kata ena megalo bathmo sterountai mousikhs deinothtas

afoy telika tha soy bgei. ti to maskareveis me sovares syzhthseis kai kaloys tropoys kai xanoyme thn wra mas ki emeis oi malakes kai soy apantame? afoy telika theleis pali na krakseis ta panta kai na mas peiseis oti mono esy akoys moysikh giati eisai kapoios_pio_enhmerwmenos_arkoaths_me_eyaisthhsies_kai_moysikh_paideia.

Otan sas talega egw kapou sti deFteri selida eseis agron igorazate.

[Kingdom Gone]

bump giati to aksizei to thread.
an k me epiase ponokefalos prospathwntas na katalavw ti leei o rokavlos
apisteutos pragmatika, de stamataei na solarei...

[The Nerd]

bump giati to aksizei to thread.
an k me epiase ponokefalos prospathwntas na katalavw ti leei o rokavlos
apisteutos pragmatika, de stamataei na solarei...

Se agapaw, se ektimaw alla :moutza:

(kai pi8anon mpoyflitses ayrio an anevw)

[Atheist]

Δώστε το μικρόφωνο στον ρόγκαβλο, θέλω να τον δω να εκθειάζει την μουσική παιδεία των Motley, να συνδέει με αριστοτεχνικές νοητικά αντιστοιχίες τον Brahms με τους Cinderella και να βάζει σε straight line race τον Sviatoslav Richter με τον session πληκτρά των bon jovi. Θέλω να δω τον Dada-ισμό να καταρρέει μέσω της υφιστάμενης δογματικής αξιοκρατίας της τέχνης (χώσου pthoggon), θέλω να δω τους Dodheimsgard και τους Thorns να παραδέχονται πως αν δν σφαζόταν ο Euronymous, τώρα θα παίζανε glam, θέλω να δω τους Beherit να σέρνονται αλυσοδεμένοι στο ΣΥΓΧΡΟΝΟ ΦΡΟΝΤΙΣΤΗΡΙΟ ΑΓΓΛΙΚΗΣ ΦΙΛΟΛΟΓΙΑΣ & ΙΣΤΟΡΙΑΣ ΛΟΓΟΤΕΧΝΙΑΣ μέχρι να μάθουν απ' έξω τον Eddie, τον Shelley και την Dickinson, ΘΕΛΩ ΝΑ ΔΩ ΤΟΥΣ ΠΥΡΓΟΥΣ ΜΟΥ ΝΑ ΠΕΦΤΟΥΝ ΑΠΟ ΤΟΝ ΕΠΑΝΑΣΤΑΤΗ ΤΟΥ ΜΟΥΣΙΚΟΥ ΡΕΥΜΑΤΟΣ, ΤΗΝ ΒΟΜΒΑ ΣΤΟ ΚΑΘΕ ΣΑΣ ΩΔΕΙΟ, ΤΟ ΦΑΛΤΣΟ ΣΑΣ ΣΕ ΚΑΘΕ ΠΕΝΑΛ... ΜΕΛΩΔΙΑ.

ΧΩΣΟΥ ΡΟΓΚΑΒΛΕ.

[Lost_In_Cooperland]

Δώστε το μικρόφωνο στον ρόγκαβλο, θέλω να τον δω να εκθειάζει την μουσική παιδεία των Motley, να συνδέει με αριστοτεχνικές νοητικά αντιστοιχίες τον Brahms με τους Cinderella και να βάζει σε straight line race τον Sviatoslav Richter με τον session πληκτρά των bon jovi. Θέλω να δω τον Dada-ισμό να καταρρέει μέσω της υφιστάμενης δογματικής αξιοκρατίας της τέχνης (χώσου pthoggon), θέλω να δω τους Dodheimsgard και τους Thorns να παραδέχονται πως αν δν σφαζόταν ο Euronymous, τώρα θα παίζανε glam, θέλω να δω τους Beherit να σέρνονται αλυσοδεμένοι στο ΣΥΓΧΡΟΝΟ ΦΡΟΝΤΙΣΤΗΡΙΟ ΑΓΓΛΙΚΗΣ ΦΙΛΟΛΟΓΙΑΣ & ΙΣΤΟΡΙΑΣ ΛΟΓΟΤΕΧΝΙΑΣ μέχρι να μάθουν απ' έξω τον Eddie, τον Shelley και την Dickinson, ΘΕΛΩ ΝΑ ΔΩ ΤΟΥΣ ΠΥΡΓΟΥΣ ΜΟΥ ΝΑ ΠΕΦΤΟΥΝ ΑΠΟ ΤΟΝ ΕΠΑΝΑΣΤΑΤΗ ΤΟΥ ΜΟΥΣΙΚΟΥ ΡΕΥΜΑΤΟΣ, ΤΗΝ ΒΟΜΒΑ ΣΤΟ ΚΑΘΕ ΣΑΣ ΩΔΕΙΟ, ΤΟ ΦΑΛΤΣΟ ΣΑΣ ΣΕ ΚΑΘΕ ΠΕΝΑΛ... ΜΕΛΩΔΙΑ.

ΧΩΣΟΥ ΡΟΓΚΑΒΛΕ.


session τα τελευταία 21 χρόνια?

[Atheist]

Αν υπήρχε ένα point σε όλο αυτό το χαζοχαρούμενο post, προσπάθησες πολύ να το αποφύγεις ;p

[The Butcher]

bump giati to aksizei to thread.
an k me epiase ponokefalos prospathwntas na katalavw ti leei o rokavlos
apisteutos pragmatika, de stamataei na solarei...
ti aksizei re oi antifatikes asynarthsies enos kammenou?

ntrepomai giayto to thread, mou thymise oti piga n'anoiksw sovari kouventa me tin xeiroteri gi'ayti ti diadikasia net proswpikotita.

ksethapste kialla tetoia topics pantws mpas k allaksei epitelous to apotelesma edw http://forum.electricrequiem.com/viewtopic.php?t=11756&postdays=0&postorder=asc&vote=viewresult

[Gabriel]

nomizw oi "nai" kai "oxi" pshfoforoi sto poll, butcher, basizoyn thn apopsh toys much kai oi dyo sto idio gegonos: oti mia epistrofh rockavlon tha shmaine perissoterh paranoia kai perissoteres blakeies. apla oi "oxi" den exoyn thn ypomonh h' thn ikanothta pia na to pairnoyn gia asteio.

[Mitsmann]

nomizw oi "nai" kai "oxi" pshfoforoi sto poll, butcher, basizoyn thn apopsh toys much kai oi dyo sto idio gegonos: oti mia epistrofh rockavlon tha shmaine perissoterh paranoia kai perissoteres blakeies. apla oi "oxi" den exoyn thn ypomonh h' thn ikanothta pia na to pairnoyn gia asteio.



Ο,τι ειπε η Λατρεια Γκαμπρι. Οποιος λεει σοβαρα οτι του λειψε ο καθυστερας, εχει τρελο προβλημα αντιληψης του περιβαλλοντος και της κοινωνιας γενικοτερα.

[necropethamenos]

thread - mnimosyno.

[The Butcher]

nomizw oi "nai" kai "oxi" pshfoforoi sto poll, butcher, basizoyn thn apopsh toys much kai oi dyo sto idio gegonos: oti mia epistrofh rockavlon tha shmaine perissoterh paranoia kai perissoteres blakeies. apla oi "oxi" den exoyn thn ypomonh h' thn ikanothta pia na to pairnoyn gia asteio.
xm egw nomizw ap'tin alloi oti osoi psifisan oti tous leipei o rockavlos (ektos apo ligous isws pou na psifizoun gia plaka) den itan/einai ap'aytous pou (prospathoun/ theloun na) parakolouthoun to synolo twn posts sto er se systimatiki vasi, para peristasiakoi, more or less, episkeptes.

me alla logia k egw an empaina mia sto toso (k isws k me pio xalari diathesi- an k, de kserw, ginetai? ti na pw) tha mou fainotan diaskedastikos/ grafikos o rockavlos, k de tha me xalouse na yparxei k mia tetoia proswpikotita s'ayto to forum. exontas omws parakolouthisei, in real time malista, ta perissotera apo ayta pou exei grapsei, de pisteyw oti yparxei kaneis pou exontas kanei to idio den vriskei ton rockavlon toulaxiston tromera kourastiko rhxo k epanalamvanomeno.

tespa, poly asxolithikame...