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The Nerd
17-01-2005, 11:21
Lene oti ekane polla kala gia ton topo (IKA, 8wro ktl).
Apo thn allh omws 3hgiotane saki me gata kai pagokolwna stoys "kommoynistes".
Poia h gnwmh sas?
Mhpws einai o pio ypertimhmenos ellhnas FASISTAS? (Nai, ayto htan)
To poio tragiko itan oti sto sxoleio mas elegan "o Iwannis Metaxas eipe to OXI stous Italous..." klp
O Metaksas htan fasistas kai ekane oles tis malakies pou kanoun oloi oi fasisytes dikatores gia na meinoun sthn eksousia. Apo thn allh, kalo einai o kosmos na diathrei thn psyxraimia tou kai na mhn phgainei sta akra epeidh o allos einai ths antitheths ideologias kai exei kanei malakies.
En prokeimenw, ton Metaksa tha ton peis malaka kai kathiki klp epeidh apofasise pws aytos kserei kalytera kai tha parei thn katastash sta xeria tou epeidh oi allo einai axrhstoi kai aytos gamw. Tha ton peis mpastardo giati htan ameiliktos me tous politikous tou antipalous...
Apo tn allh, o Metaksas htan stratiwtikh megalofyia (einai gnwsto oti polloi sto ekswteriko ton thewroun apo ta shmantikotera stratiwtika myala tou aiwna pou perase), paneksypnos kai parolo pou den eixe to dikaiwma na parei me to etsi thelw thn katastash sta xeria tou eythynetai poly gia to kseskatisma ths xwras meta thn Mikrasiatikh katastrofh.
...mikrasiatikh katastrofh pou o Metaksas eixe provlepsei kai eixe enhmerwsei plhrws ton Venizelo poly prin arxisoun oi epixeirhseis. Me to ni kai me to sigma. Oti na krathsei h Ellada mono thn Mikra Asia einai adynato makroprothesma kai oti to metwpo tha eksathliwthei. H monh lysh einai katalhpsh ths Agkyras h opoia krinetai *adynath*. Fysika o Venizelos ton agnohse... Den thelw na arxisw tetoia kouventa twra, suffice it to say, oti den exw thn epikratousa apopsh gia ton Venizelo pou exei o polys kosmos...
Oso gia to OXI, o Metaksas HTAN ypefthynos kai aytos htan pou to eipe. Mou aresei pou oloi trwne thn karamela oti "olos o laos to eipe" (giati emas ayto eipan sto sxoleio, o Metaksas *an* anaferthei) kai tha to elege opoiosdhpote kai an htan sthn kyvernhsh kai tetoia grafika. Sigoura arketoi tha to elegan, sigoura arketoi tha eskyvan ton kwlo tous ston aksona. Sigoura o laos tha ekane oti tou legane, opws kanei panta. Ta alla einai pipes... Lew egw vevaia...
Den eimai fasistas, oute exw kamia kavla me ton Metaksa. As far as I am concerned gamietai kai aytos kai opoiosdhpote apofasisei oti exeito dikaiwma na katalamvanei me thn via thn eksousia 'h na gamaei tous antipalous tou gia na thn krataei. Apo thn allh, mou thn spaei otan h istoria einai tou ypsous kai tou vathous enw prepei na einai antikeimenikh kai oxi fortismenh apo proswpikes agapes kai ideologies...
Ayta...
Acid Baby
17-01-2005, 17:32
Oso gia to OXI, o Metaksas HTAN ypefthynos kai aytos htan pou to eipe. Mou aresei pou oloi trwne thn karamela oti "olos o laos to eipe" (giati emas ayto eipan sto sxoleio, o Metaksas *an* anaferthei) kai tha to elege opoiosdhpote kai an htan sthn kyvernhsh kai tetoia grafika. Sigoura arketoi tha to elegan, sigoura arketoi tha eskyvan ton kwlo tous ston aksona. Sigoura o laos tha ekane oti tou legane, opws kanei panta. Ta alla einai pipes... Lew egw vevaia...
kati tetoio
Dr. Death
17-01-2005, 17:41
gamw ton trito ellhniko politismo kai katw o nanos diktatoras
giati xairetai o kosmos kai xamogelaei patera?
symposium_lexotanil
17-01-2005, 17:54
As far as I am concerned gamietai kai aytos kai opoiosdhpote apofasisei oti exeito dikaiwma na katalamvanei me thn via thn eksousia 'h na gamaei tous antipalous tou gia na thn krataei.
e oxi kai opoiosdipote
saki me gata kai pagokolwna
please explain. akoygetai endiaferon.
The Nerd
17-01-2005, 19:14
saki me gata kai pagokolwna
please explain. akoygetai endiaferon.
Se vazane se ena saki mazi me mia gata, to ekleinan kai to evrexan/petagan sth 8alassa. Dedomenhs ths gnwsths sxeshs ths gatas me to nero, pairneis xampari ti pa8aine o magkas mesa.
Oso sthn pagokwlona, se 3evrakwnane kai se vazane na katseis se pagokolwna.
Oso gia to OXI, o Metaksas HTAN ypefthynos kai aytos htan pou to eipe. Mou aresei pou oloi trwne thn karamela oti "olos o laos to eipe" (giati emas ayto eipan sto sxoleio, o Metaksas *an* anaferthei) kai tha to elege opoiosdhpote kai an htan sthn kyvernhsh kai tetoia grafika. Sigoura arketoi tha to elegan, sigoura arketoi tha eskyvan ton kwlo tous ston aksona. Sigoura o laos tha ekane oti tou legane, opws kanei panta. Ta alla einai pipes... Lew egw vevaia...
kati tetoio
Ti lete re paidia???
Sovara?
Giati eixe perithwrio na pei NAI?
Poios Ellinas tha anexotan mia aneu orwn paradosi?
Pali polemo tha eixame , mi organwmeno men, polemo de.
The Nerd
17-01-2005, 19:34
Oso gia to OXI, o Metaksas HTAN ypefthynos kai aytos htan pou to eipe. Mou aresei pou oloi trwne thn karamela oti "olos o laos to eipe" (giati emas ayto eipan sto sxoleio, o Metaksas *an* anaferthei) kai tha to elege opoiosdhpote kai an htan sthn kyvernhsh kai tetoia grafika. Sigoura arketoi tha to elegan, sigoura arketoi tha eskyvan ton kwlo tous ston aksona. Sigoura o laos tha ekane oti tou legane, opws kanei panta. Ta alla einai pipes... Lew egw vevaia...
kati tetoio
Ti lete re paidia???
Sovara?
Giati eixe perithwrio na pei NAI?
Poios Ellinas tha anexotan mia aneu orwn paradosi?
Pali polemo tha eixame , mi organwmeno men, polemo de.
:moutza: :moutza: :moutza:
:skase:
+ Min vasizesai poly stin anoxi twn allwn...
Acid Baby
17-01-2005, 19:42
Oso gia to OXI, o Metaksas HTAN ypefthynos kai aytos htan pou to eipe. Mou aresei pou oloi trwne thn karamela oti "olos o laos to eipe" (giati emas ayto eipan sto sxoleio, o Metaksas *an* anaferthei) kai tha to elege opoiosdhpote kai an htan sthn kyvernhsh kai tetoia grafika. Sigoura arketoi tha to elegan, sigoura arketoi tha eskyvan ton kwlo tous ston aksona. Sigoura o laos tha ekane oti tou legane, opws kanei panta. Ta alla einai pipes... Lew egw vevaia...
kati tetoio
Ti lete re paidia???
Sovara?
Giati eixe perithwrio na pei NAI?
Poios Ellinas tha anexotan mia aneu orwn paradosi?
Pali polemo tha eixame , mi organwmeno men, polemo de.
exe sto nou sou oti o sigekrimenos itan filogermanos opote eixe kapoious logous na pei nai. Episis den eprokito gia paradosi alla gia xrisimopoihsh tis elladas ws perasma. Telos diaforoi igetes exoun pei nai , borouse na to kanei kai aftos polu perisotero de afou itan filogermanos.
Psilooff topic : Ok katalavainw oti oi diktatores einai kaka pramata , alla afenos as tous apodidoume opoia kala exoun ws igetes, kai afeterou as min mpainoume se kaloupia thewrontas oti ena politiko sistima einai "kako" allo einai "kalo" - afto einai politiki. genika afta.
Ti lete re paidia???
Sovara?
Giati eixe perithwrio na pei NAI?
Poios Ellinas tha anexotan mia aneu orwn paradosi?
Pali polemo tha eixame , mi organwmeno men, polemo de.
exe sto nou sou oti o sigekrimenos itan filogermanos opote eixe kapoious logous na pei nai. Episis den eprokito gia paradosi alla gia xrisimopoihsh tis elladas ws perasma. Telos diaforoi igetes exoun pei nai , borouse na to kanei kai aftos polu perisotero de afou itan filogermanos.
Psilooff topic : Ok katalavainw oti oi diktatores einai kaka pramata , alla afenos as tous apodidoume opoia kala exoun ws igetes, kai afeterou as min mpainoume se kaloupia thewrontas oti ena politiko sistima einai "kako" allo einai "kalo" - afto einai politiki. genika afta.
Perasma dld den simainei paradosi?
Diladi an tous afiname na xrisimopoiisoun tin ellada ws persma den egkathistousan monimo strato ?
Tespa, den nomizw oti mporei na kanei kapoios diktatoras kati arketa "kalo" wste na dikaiologisei tin katalysi tis simokratias.
Acid Baby
17-01-2005, 19:53
i dimokratia einai apla to ligotero xeirotero politeyma. mi trelathoume e. polles fores mia diktatoria (thewritika milaw, den exw katanou ksekathara istorika stoixeia) borei na einai kaliteri apo ti dimokratia se mia dedomeni stigmi.
i dimokratia einai apla to ligotero xeirotero politeyma. mi trelathoume e. polles fores mia diktatoria (thewritika milaw, den exw katanou ksekathara istorika stoixeia) borei na einai kaliteri apo ti dimokratia se mia dedomeni stigmi.
Me vasi poia ithiki auto?
Kali tha einai mono gia autous pou exoun tin eksousia sta xeria tous i gia autous pou exoun amesa ofeli. O LAOS OMWS (nai , tin syntriptiki pleiopsifia ennow) stereitai vasika dikaiwmata opws auto tou logou. Pws mporeis na peis oti mia xwra proodeuei otan o laos katapiezetai???
PS Paw mathima kithara. An theleis na synexiseis tha sou apantisw se mia wra peripou. :)
Acid Baby
17-01-2005, 20:11
hm tha postarw afto kai epidi eimaste off topic tha to sizitisoume kapoia alli fora an thes apo irc. Oi periodoi pou o metaksas kai o papadopoulos ekmetaleftikan gia na anevoun stin eksousia itan tromera astatheis politika. Den evgene kivernisi kai ta kommata eixan arxisei ta tsatsilikia, entometaksi o laos pigene kathe treis kai ligo stis kalpes kai ixwra vriskotan akiverniti.
Me ta praksikopimata i eksousia pernaei amesws se ena atomo to opoio kalitai (me ti via en prokimenw) na epivalei mia taksi ia na min epelthei dialisi stin koinwnia. To thema einai oti oi diktatories sinithws ginontai apo ikanous stratigous pou katafernoun na feroun tin xwra se mia statherotita alla epidi en teli einai anikanoi kai eksipiretoun skopimotites kataligoun na einai tiranoi.
I gnwmi mou einai oti ena tetoio kathestws se mia metavatiki periodo einai anagkaio alla oxi gia polu. Otan i xwra einai kala , einai kai o laos kala. I sterisi eleftheriwn einai kako, omws se kapoies periptwseis einai anagkaio kako kai gia mena einai anekto arkei na ginetai gia kapoio sigekrimeno xrono kai me kapoio skopo.
Telos pistevw oti iparxoun pragmata pou orismenoi igetes exoun kata nou na kanoun, o kosmos antidra, alla en telei ekeinoi exoun dikio giati o kosmos oute diorasi exei, oute gnwrizei apo diakivernisi. As poume o kemal atatourk itan epanastatis, kai itan enas apithanos igetis, egw ton sevomai apoluta ws politiko. Monos tou polemise enantia sto kathestws, epevale tis dikes tou idees kai fetos sizitame gia to an tha mpei i tourkia stin EE enw alles xwres tou dikou tis velinekous kai ontas mousoulmanikes einai tritokosmikes kai avoithites.
Afta panw katw. Etsi einai i politiki. Den einai filosofia distixws.
:offtopic: kai sorry nerd :oops:
Perasma dld den simainei paradosi?
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katwrimos
18-01-2005, 05:16
hm tha postarw afto kai epidi eimaste off topic tha to sizitisoume kapoia alli fora an thes apo irc. Oi periodoi pou o metaksas kai o papadopoulos ekmetaleftikan gia na anevoun stin eksousia itan tromera astatheis politika. Den evgene kivernisi kai ta kommata eixan arxisei ta tsatsilikia, entometaksi o laos pigene kathe treis kai ligo stis kalpes kai ixwra vriskotan akiverniti.
Afto se ti enoxlouse? I oikonomia tis xoras akoma kai me tin politiki astatheia eixe safos anodiki tasi, poly megaliteri apo ti dekaetia tou 50' pou ipirxe politiki statherotita
Me ta praksikopimata i eksousia pernaei amesws se ena atomo to opoio kalitai (me ti via en prokimenw) na epivalei mia taksi ia na min epelthei dialisi stin koinwnia. To thema einai oti oi diktatories sinithws ginontai apo ikanous stratigous pou katafernoun na feroun tin xwra se mia statherotita alla epidi en teli einai anikanoi kai eksipiretoun skopimotites kataligoun na einai tiranoi.
MA i statherotita afti einai axristi. Mia xora poly efkola mathainei na leitourgei akoma kai otan i kivernisi allazei katha ena-dio xronia. Xaraktiristiko paradigma i italia prin kanadio dekaeties.
I gnwmi mou einai oti ena tetoio kathestws se mia metavatiki periodo einai anagkaio alla oxi gia polu.
anagkaio gia POION? Gia tin oikonomia? Afti pigaine poly kalitera epi venizelou kai epi ton xronon prin ti xounta, para apo oti me xounta/i metaksa. Eksigise pls, se poion einai enagkaio ena tetoio kathestos?
Otan i xwra einai kala , einai kai o laos kala. I sterisi eleftheriwn einai kako, omws se kapoies periptwseis einai anagkaio kako kai gia mena einai anekto arkei na ginetai gia kapoio sigekrimeno xrono kai me kapoio skopo.
Ma pios einai o skopos aftos? Diladi se ti tha eksipiretisei to na pareis viaia tin eksousia kai na katastileis tis politikes eleftheries?
Telos pistevw oti iparxoun pragmata pou orismenoi igetes exoun kata nou na kanoun, o kosmos antidra, alla en telei ekeinoi exoun dikio giati o kosmos oute diorasi exei, oute gnwrizei apo diakivernisi. As poume o kemal atatourk itan epanastatis, kai itan enas apithanos igetis, egw ton sevomai apoluta ws politiko. Monos tou polemise enantia sto kathestws, epevale tis dikes tou idees kai fetos sizitame gia to an tha mpei i tourkia stin EE enw alles xwres tou dikou tis velinekous kai ontas mousoulmanikes einai tritokosmikes kai avoithites.
Ma ti les tora. O kemal atatourk den itan diktatoras. Einai san na les ton kapodistria diktatora, eleos diladi.
(ego den zitao signomi gia ta offtopic :p)
Acid Baby
18-01-2005, 14:29
i statherotita einai simantiko pragma,o laos xriazetai diakivernisi kai idiaitera ekeini tin epoxi tou metaksa pou mexri kai to komma tou venizelou ekane tsatsilikia gia na parei ti diakivernisi. episis oi epoxes einai diaforetikes kai stin italia den epikratouse koinoniki astathia opws ti dekaetia tou 30 oute o kosmos diamartirotan gia ton polemo oute ipirxan prosfiges. Gia ton atatourk epifilasomai ligo mexri to vradi opou tha diastavrwsw an pire tin eksousia me praksikopima , thimamai pws etsi egine. I risi tou papadopoulou "o asthenis vrisketai se gipso" , an kai grafiki kai "kataxristiki", pistevw oti antikatoptrizei en meri afto pou thelw na pw, xwris na ennow oti eimai iper tis xountas i tpt tetoio.
katwrimos
18-01-2005, 14:42
i statherotita einai simantiko pragma,o laos xriazetai diakivernisi kai idiaitera ekeini tin epoxi tou metaksa pou mexri kai to komma tou venizelou ekane tsatsilikia gia na parei ti diakivernisi. episis oi epoxes einai diaforetikes kai stin italia den epikratouse koinoniki astathia opws ti dekaetia tou 30 oute o kosmos diamartirotan gia ton polemo oute ipirxan prosfiges. Gia ton atatourk epifilasomai ligo mexri to vradi opou tha diastavrwsw an pire tin eksousia me praksikopima , thimamai pws etsi egine. I risi tou papadopoulou "o asthenis vrisketai se gipso" , an kai grafiki kai "kataxristiki", pistevw oti antikatoptrizei en meri afto pou thelw na pw, xwris na ennow oti eimai iper tis xountas i tpt tetoio.
Ok, sto parapano post mou rotao sinexeia ena prama kai den mou apantas, rotao mia akoma loipon SE TI EINAI XRISIMI I POLITIKI STATHEROTITA POU PROSFEREI MIA XOUNTA??? POS OPOFELEITAI O LAOS I I XORA APO AFTI???
(o atatourk pire tin eksousia igoumenos tis epanastasis enantion tou soultanou, eno sti sinexeia ethese aftos ta themelia tou koinovouleftikou politevmatos)
The Charon
18-01-2005, 15:40
Koinobouleutikou politeumatos pou den eixe antipalous e?
katwrimos
18-01-2005, 15:58
Koinobouleutikou politeumatos pou den eixe antipalous e?
Den exei antipalous? To idio to kinovouleftiko sistima stin tourkia dinei dikaioma na sximatisei kivernisi to islamiko koma..
UmbilicalResidue
18-01-2005, 20:19
:offtopic: kai sorry nerd :oops:
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ps0. sta peri deinou strathlath kserei kaneis gxiati meta tous diaforous eranous kata thn metaksikh dikratoria yper enisxysews ths aeroporias den eixame ousiastikh aeroporikh dynamh kata ton wwii?
ps1. opoiadhpote xwra pasxei apo koinwnikh asta8eia prepei na trwei kiapo mia xounta? (an h8ela na apefthinthw se kapxion sygekrimena 8a to ekana.)
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