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Carcass_
15-01-2005, 19:11
Skeftomoun to ekseis :
Se ena Rienmann xwro , topika isxuei h eukleidia geometria opws epishs isxuei topika kai o xwros Minkowski ( eidikh thewria sxetikothtas ).
Kratame to parapanw kai leme : Ta swmatia katalamvanoun mikra merh tou xwrou. Ara gia auta , topika isxuei h eidikh thewria ths sxetikothtas.
To erwthma mou einai : Afou milame gia topika merh tou xwrou pou perilamvanoun swmatia kai oxi terasties mazes ipws planhtika susthmata h galaksies, giati mas endiaferei na geometrhkopoihsoume peraiterw thn kvantomhxanikh wste na dwsoume ekshghseis me vash tous Rienmann xwrous ? Poios o logos na ginei auth h gnwsth Enopoihsh , afou exoume thn apanthsh tou "topika isxuei " ? Akoma kai an milame gia ena kuma, h gia ena swma, an eksetasoume ena ena ta swmatia tou, tha milame gia topika shmeia tou xwrou.
Kserw oti uparxei apanthsh sto parapanw, alliws den tha kathontousan tosoi anthrwpoi na prospathoun gia thn gnwsth Enopoiohsh.
Den exw kanei topologia h pollaplothtes ( akoma ) alla exw diavasei diaforikh gewmetria kapoia pragmata.
Ti lete ? Giati ola auta ? Kai an exw lathos sthn protash mou, pou einai auto ?
Thank you.

UmbilicalResidue
15-01-2005, 19:29
apo aporia ka8ara gxiati kanete amigws episthmonika threads sto politics of ecstasy?

Carcass_
15-01-2005, 19:33
Giati den uparxei kapoio antistoixo thread profanws. Kai mhn peis General Discussion, exei paliwsei to anekdoto.
Apanta twra plz kai thx.

Clockwork_orange
16-01-2005, 00:19
giati oloi eseis pou asxoleiste me protaseis pou sxetizontai me kvantomixaniki kai gewmetria kai ola auta pou analyeis pisteuete oti oi ypoloipoi mporoun na ta katalavoun.Enas filos apedei3e ena thewrima 3erw gw tou Maagard pws legetai kai mou ta elege kai ton koitaga me ena vlema sa zompi, pou na katalavw ti leei...

AngelOfSorrow
16-01-2005, 00:20
kalytera stin preza

katwrimos
16-01-2005, 00:40
carcass nomizo oti i apantisi sto erotima sou einai i giati paroti "topika isxiei", afto simvainei mono theoritika, stin praksi den simvainei akrivos giati iparxoun paragontes mi metrisimoi. Px an esy trexeis me ena aftokinito tha gernas pio arga apo kapion pou menei statheros, apla afto to "pio arga" tha einai toso mikro pou den tha mporei na metrithei, opote to agnooume. I enopoihsh nomizo oti exei metaksi allon to noima tou na mporei na diepei ta panta os theoria xoris aplopoihseis.

Ta parapano me kathe epifilaksi, kathoti den eimai fisikos i kati paremferes

Carcass_
16-01-2005, 00:41
Den kserw poioi asxolounte me protaseis , egw sigoura oxi.
Apo thn allh, erwthma mou einai, opoios endiaferetai kai exei asxolithei apantaei.
Kai egw, otan den katexw kati , den apantaw oute perimenw na to kserw. Alla oute thetw kai erwthma kiolas.
Enigouei, me thn aporeia tha meinw pros to paron.

Carcass_
16-01-2005, 00:45
Luka den katalava ti itheles na peis, an einai ksanagrapsto.
Oswn afora thn topikothta, sumvainei kai praktika. H parallhlia isxuei topika, px panw sto trapezi sou, alla an tis proekteineis se megalutero susthma kapoia stigmh tha sugklinoun kai tha enwthoun eksaitias ths kampulothtas.

BLiTzER
16-01-2005, 00:54
There is no spoon.

katwrimos
16-01-2005, 20:48
Luka den katalava ti itheles na peis, an einai ksanagrapsto.
Oswn afora thn topikothta, sumvainei kai praktika. H parallhlia isxuei topika, px panw sto trapezi sou, alla an tis proekteineis se megalutero susthma kapoia stigmh tha sugklinoun kai tha enwthoun eksaitias ths kampulothtas.

vasika nai, den mporo na to grapso kalitera, ama einai tha sto po apo konta, i tha katso na skanaro ena oraio kefalaio apo ena vivlio pou exo (afto to deftero xlomo to kovo giati variemai)

Gabriel
16-01-2005, 21:17
kathe thewria einai desmia ths akribeias kai twn ypothesewn/conditions ths. enw mporei mia Unified thewria na mh dinei poly diaforetika apotelesmata se flat gewmetries (ypo thn idia ennoia poy h genikh sxetikothta de dinei poly diaforetika apotelesmata se metrhseis barwn sth ghinh epifaneia p.x.), se energeies stis opoies einai aparaithth (p.x. early universe periballonta, far from flat gewmetries kai alla tetoia, sta opoia to validity allwn methodwn katareei) einai anagkaia.

ektos aytoy, ta pio endiaferonta strongly degenerate kbantika systhmata (opws ta neutron stars kai oi mayres trypes) einai se klimakes me entonh kampylothta.

Carcass_
16-01-2005, 21:58
Vasika exeis dikio, alla pali sto mualo mou den exw ena susthma alla shmeia xwrou pou katalamvanoun ta swmatidia ksexwrista. Dhladh, an athrizame topika , opou isxuoun oi prohgoumenoi formalismoi, giati den katalhgoume sth genikh thewria ths sxetikothtas ?
Ypopshn, den kserw apo topologia, pollaplothtes klp akoma.

Gabriel
16-01-2005, 22:01
Dhladh, an athrizame topika , opou isxuoun oi prohgoumenoi formalismoi, giati den katalhgoume sth genikh thewria ths sxetikothtas ?

den polykatalaba ti ennoeis.

Carcass_
16-01-2005, 22:09
Kala ekanes, lathos htane auto pou egrapsa ( oti ousiastika an arthriseis topika tis idiothtes na katalhkseis sthn kampulothta tou Rienmann xwrou. ).
Nomizw oti ousiastika to eixa eksarxeis lathos sto mualo mou h kalutera, mono ena meros tou ( dld gia thn topikh uparksh tou swmatiou alla oxi to susthma pou dhmiourgei me ta upoloipa, ta opoia susthmata anagontai se rienmann xwro mallon ).