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Kingdom Gone
26-12-2004, 07:47
There's an artist, Nathalia Edenmont, who kills cats, mice, doves, rabbits and other animals, mutilates their bodies, and then takes their photographs. She's on exhibit, among other places, at the Wetterling Gallery in Sweden. She has taken the top halves of five white mice and made them into finger puppets. She beat a cat to death with a stick. And this is called art. This is not only inhumane, but morally reprehensible.
Link to samples of the exhibit: http://www.wetterlinggallery.com/archiv ... a_main.htm (http://www.wetterlinggallery.com/archive/nathalia/nathalia_main.htm)
The Wetterling Gallery's Justification of her work: http://www.wetterlinggallery.com/newsle ... letter.htm (http://www.wetterlinggallery.com/newsletter/newsletter.htm)
Buddy Lackey
26-12-2004, 07:50
psofos kakos klp
Θα πάω να σκοτώνω ανθρώπους (διοργανωτές συναυλιών και οικολόγους κυρίως), θα βάζω τα διάφορα μέλη τους σε περίεργες θέσεις και θα το καλώ "τέχνη". :D
freak brother
26-12-2004, 15:15
enas germanos performance artist ekopse to pouli tou se mia ekthesh.. e kai pethane apo aimoragia meta...
texnh
epishs enas trelos iapwnas noise mousikos skotwnei gatakia sthn skhnh (afou ton vgaloun apo ton zourlomandia) kai otan teleiwnei to live pairnei ena compreser kai spaei ton toixo apo pisw tou kai fevgei
auta einai
Harbinger of Death
27-12-2004, 00:10
Το είχα δει στις ειδήσεις κάποτε. :? Χμου. Παρότι φαίνεται απαράδεκτο και κατακριτέο, έχω κάποιες αμφιβολίες. Εφόσον δεν είναι άνθρωποι. Από την άλλη βέβαια είναι ζώα και δεν έχω κατασταλάξει ακόμη πάνω σε αυτό το θέμα: την αξία της ζωής των ζώων πέρα από την παγκόσμια ισορροπία στην υδρόγειο.
Πάντως μπορούσε να κάνει το ίδιο με πλαστικές ή εικαστικές τέχνες οπότε η τύπισσα είναι μαλάκω και προφανώς το κάνει για τη δημοσιότητα. Απλά αναφέρω το θέμα γενικότερα.
(τρία ποστ μπορώ να κάνω όλα κι όλα με την 56άρα μου, και για σήμερα αυτό είναι ένα από αυτά. :roll: χμου)
UmbilicalResidue
27-12-2004, 03:56
epishs enas trelos iapwnas noise mousikos skotwnei gatakia sthn skhnh (afou ton vgaloun apo ton zourlomandia) kai otan teleiwnei to live pairnei ena compreser kai spaei ton toixo apo pisw tou kai fevgei
axaxax
VIKTOR
http://www.wetterlinggallery.com/bilder/nathalia/Viktor2.jpg
VIKTORIA
http://www.wetterlinggallery.com/bilder/nathalia/Viktoria2.jpg
h gynaika einai lol in a very very sad way.
eyeamflesch
27-12-2004, 09:27
"Art arouses thoughts and poses questions that are necessary. Nathalia's beautiful pictures are frightening in the same way that many other beautiful things hide some sort of suffering. One can enjoy beautiful exteriors, or one can go beneath the surface and find things that perhaps you do not want to know about. If Nathalia's pictures had been repugnant, it would have been easy to reject them. But now they are so beautiful - and the insight into the reality behind them gives rise to thoughts about people's shallowness and double standards. Many of us eat meat, wear leather or use make-up that has been tested on animals, without this arousing especially strong reactions. But when a picture shows a dead rabbit, all hell breaks loose.
Nathalia grew up in the former Soviet Union, and she has a razor sharp eye for paradoxes and gaps in our western morals. She is not the first to use dead animals in her works of art - that has been done at least since the 1700s, but she is a contemporary debater who provokes questions which nowadays everyone should ask themselves. Her pictures tell lies in front of our faces, but they are not alone in this - the lies exist all around us every day, without us questioning them.
There is nothing illegal in Nathalia's art. She has killed the animals in as humane a way as possible. Has she been guilty of a moral crime? We do not think so. We think that art is of vital importance. What do you think? "
Buddy Lackey
27-12-2004, 09:32
imam mpailnti
Meyaleleth
27-12-2004, 12:39
Nathalia Edenmont
I HOPE YOU CHOKE!!!!!!!!!! :evil:
Auto me tis gates mh to dei o Mitsmann.
8' arisei na xeirokrotaei.
Τα ζώα πρέπει να χρησιμοποιούνται για τροφή και έρευνα, οτιδήποτε άλλο imo αποτελεί διαστροφή.
Το είχα δει στις ειδήσεις κάποτε. :? Χμου. Παρότι φαίνεται απαράδεκτο και κατακριτέο, έχω κάποιες αμφιβολίες. Εφόσον δεν είναι άνθρωποι. Από την άλλη βέβαια είναι ζώα και δεν έχω κατασταλάξει ακόμη πάνω σε αυτό το θέμα: την αξία της ζωής των ζώων πέρα από την παγκόσμια ισορροπία στην υδρόγειο.
Ο άνθρωπος είναι θηλαστικό παμφάγο και μια πραγματικώς υγιεινή διατροφή απαιτεί και κρέας, είναι δε πιο εύπεπτο. Σε πολλούς ερευνητικούς τομείς τα πειράματα γίνονται σε ζώα, αφ'ενός γιατί είναι φθηνό, αφ'ετέρου δεν υπάρχουν εναλλακτικές με την ίδια ή καλύτερη πιστότητα αποτελεσμάτων. Είναι φανερό, λοιπόν, πως είναι αναγκαίο να σκοτώνουμε ζώα για κάποιους σκοπούς, όπου δεν υπάρχουν φθηνές ή αξιόπιστες εναλλακτικές.
Ωστόσο, είναι γνωστό πως έχουν συναισθήματα και (ειδικά τα θηλαστικά) επαρκή βαθμό συνείδησης για να έχουν πλήρη επίγνωση του περιβάλλοντος τους, έτσι ώστε η φυλάκιση και σωματικές βλάβες να είναι επώδυνες και βασανιστικές.
Ως εκ τούτου, ένας ενήλικος άνθρωπος που επιζητεί τον βασανισμό ή τη σφαγή ζώων προφανώς είναι ένας άρρωστος άνθρωπος.
Από την άλλη, είστε ελεύθεροι να σκοτώσετε όσα φίδια θέλετε. Να ψοφήσουν όλα. :D
Meyaleleth
27-12-2004, 15:10
:cry: :cry:
UmbilicalResidue
27-12-2004, 18:43
"Art arouses thoughts and poses questions that are necessary. Nathalia's beautiful pictures are frightening in the same way that many other beautiful things hide some sort of suffering. One can enjoy beautiful exteriors, or one can go beneath the surface and find things that perhaps you do not want to know about. If Nathalia's pictures had been repugnant, it would have been easy to reject them. But now they are so beautiful - and the insight into the reality behind them gives rise to thoughts about people's shallowness and double standards. Many of us eat meat, wear leather or use make-up that has been tested on animals, without this arousing especially strong reactions. But when a picture shows a dead rabbit, all hell breaks loose.
Nathalia grew up in the former Soviet Union, and she has a razor sharp eye for paradoxes and gaps in our western morals. She is not the first to use dead animals in her works of art - that has been done at least since the 1700s, but she is a contemporary debater who provokes questions which nowadays everyone should ask themselves. Her pictures tell lies in front of our faces, but they are not alone in this - the lies exist all around us every day, without us questioning them.
There is nothing illegal in Nathalia's art. She has killed the animals in as humane a way as possible. Has she been guilty of a moral crime? We do not think so. We think that art is of vital importance. What do you think? "
den einai arketo.
mporw na thn temaxisw kai na ek8esw ta melh ths panw se mia gigantia skakiera 8elwntas na egeirw erwthmata gia ton polemo sto iraq?
mporw. alla 8a riskarw giati paizw me thn yparxousa nomo8esia parolo pou h kinhsh 8a sokare kai 8a evais8htopoiuse giati tosoi skotwnontai ktlp.
afth h kariola de riskarei tpt omws.
to kanei aplws epeidh borei.
Buddy Lackey
27-12-2004, 20:08
Από την άλλη, είστε ελεύθεροι να σκοτώσετε όσα φίδια θέλετε. Να ψοφήσουν όλα. :D
:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:
:shock: :shock: :shock: Opoiosdhpote skotwnei zwa epeidh apla to paizei anwteros h epeidh to 8ewrei "texnh" h "sport" a3izei na pe8anei me argo kai basanistiko tropo. Arrwstoi "an8rwpoi", xwris an8rwpia ka8olou...
damn tree-hugging hippies...
eyeamflesch
27-12-2004, 23:56
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LIGHT YEARS AHEAD :worship:
Buddy Lackey
28-12-2004, 00:13
heavy weed ahead tha elega
eyeamflesch
28-12-2004, 00:58
heavy weed ahead tha elega
" KSEREIS APO MPALA FILE :thumbsup: " ME EIPE NA SE PW.
freak brother
30-12-2004, 20:56
http://www.bizarremag.com/picture_bizarre_library/dir_0/bizarre_pic_390_lt.jpg
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