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Gabriel
02-11-2004, 22:51
More than 120 firearms officers in London are refusing to carry guns after two colleagues were suspended over a shooting, police representatives claim.

Harry Stanley, 46, was shot dead in 1999 after police mistook a table leg he was carrying for a shotgun.

An inquest on Friday returned a verdict of unlawful killing and Pc Kevin Fagan and Insp Neil Sharman were suspended.

Mr Stanley's widow, Irene, says other officers should go back to work as the verdict "has nothing to do" with them.

She told BBC News: "They weren't there. It was to do with the two officers who got off with the killing."

'Difficult circumstances'

Sir John Stevens, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, has taken personal control of negotiations in the dispute.

He said he had great "sympathy" for the protesting officers, but "they must come back to work".

On Monday, at least 20 of the Met's 400-strong SO19 specialist firearms unit handed in their cards authorising them to carry weapons.

The Metropolitan Police Federation (MPF), which represents officers, said that by Tuesday over 120 firearms officers had handed back their authorisation to carry weapons.

The body also said there were no specialist firearms officers on duty in London on Tuesday.

Scotland Yard would not confirm the numbers involved in the protest but said the level of armed cover in London was "unaffected".

After the inquest - the second into Mr Stanley's death - the Crown Prosecution Service, which had previously ruled out bringing charges, said it would review the case.

Glen Smyth, chairman of the MPF, said the case had thrown into doubt all training and guidance given to firearms officers.

He told the BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "The officers are very concerned that the tactics they are trained in, as a consequence of the verdict, are now in doubt.

"They want some clarity around what they are expected to do."

Chair leg

The Stanley family's solicitor Daniel Machover told Today the jury "did not believe the officers when they said they felt under imminent threat".

And he later accused the protesting officers of "misunderstanding what the inquest was about".

He said the jury's decision was not a "broad attack" on the tactics of firearms police, just that they did not accept that the two officers had acted in self-defence.

Mr Smyth said he would consider mounting a legal challenge to the inquest's verdict.

Jan Berry, chairman of the Police Federation of England and Wales, said she was not surprised by the officers' reaction.

She said: "With the benefit of hindsight we can all say what we may have done but these two officers were required to make a split-second assessment and decision."

Mr Stanley's widow Irene campaigned for the second inquest

Mr Stanley, a father-of-three, was shot as he left a pub in Hackney, east London, carrying a table leg which had just been repaired by his brother.

The two officers fired the shots after mistakenly being informed that Mr Stanley - a Scottish painter and decorator who lived in London - was an Irishman with a sawn-off shotgun.

The Stanley family, originally from Lanarkshire, won a ruling in the High Court in April this year to have an open verdict from his first inquest quashed.

In a statement on Friday the Met said the death of Mr Stanley was regrettable and offered sympathy to his family.

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Dikaioyntai oi mpatsoi kapoia periorismenh amnhstia se periptwseis poy skotwnoyn se atyxhma? 'H apla na prosexan kalytera?

Deggial
02-11-2004, 23:30
Διαμαρτύρονται επειδή τέθηκαν σε διαθεσιμότητα δυο συνάδελφοι τους που πυροβόλησαν για κανένα λόγο έναν απλό πολίτη... thumbs up.

Gabriel
03-11-2004, 00:33
Διαμαρτύρονται επειδή τέθηκαν σε διαθεσιμότητα δυο συνάδελφοι τους που πυροβόλησαν για κανένα λόγο έναν απλό πολίτη... thumbs up.

...γιατί υποστηρίζουν ότι η οπλοφορία πρέπει να συνοδεύεται από ανοχή σε κάποια σπάνια περαστιτατικά που κάποιος αθώος βρίσκεται να πυροβολείται από ατύχημα.

freak brother
03-11-2004, 00:43
antidrash- el.as

ConJoined Thighs
03-11-2004, 01:04
e ama iparksi anoxi se afto to pragma,olo kai pio polla opla tha ekpirsokrotoun kata lathous, :P

cancer
03-11-2004, 01:11
ts ts ti lete bre paidia auta mono stin ellada simvainoun, afou ekso einai kalitera!

katwrimos
03-11-2004, 02:04
cancerako stin aglia diamartirontai giati se tetoia peristatika oi mpatsoi timorountai.

stin ellada o mpatsos pou skotose to paidaki apo ti servia kikloforei eleftheros.

cancer
03-11-2004, 02:12
cancerako stin aglia diamartirontai giati se tetoia peristatika oi mpatsoi timorountai.

stin ellada o mpatsos pou skotose to paidaki apo ti servia kikloforei eleftheros.
afou timorountai oi paranomisantes mpatsoi, den sintrexei logos diamartyrias.

Deggial
03-11-2004, 02:18
Dikaioyntai oi mpatsoi kapoia periorismenh amnhstia se periptwseis poy skotwnoyn se atyxhma? 'H apla na prosexan kalytera?

Να πρόσεχαν καλύτερα. Η άδεια της οπλοφορίας θα έπρεπε να συνοδεύεται με περισσότερη υπευθυνότητα κι όχι περισσότερη ανοχή, ιδίως όταν μπορούν να συμβούν τέτοια περιστατικά που δε "διορθώνονται", όπως ο θάνατος ενός ατόμου.

katwrimos
03-11-2004, 02:24
cancerako stin aglia diamartirontai giati se tetoia peristatika oi mpatsoi timorountai.

stin ellada o mpatsos pou skotose to paidaki apo ti servia kikloforei eleftheros.
afou timorountai oi paranomisantes mpatsoi, den sintrexei logos diamartyrias.

OMG. Ksanadiavase to arthro. Vasika se vgazo apo ton kopo:

Stin ellada oi mpatsoi DEN timorountai, giafto den diamartiretai kanenas mpatsos

Stin aglia oi mpatsoi diamartirontai giati oi sinadelfoi tous timorithikan.

An tora den mporeis na katalaveis giati stin aglia ta pragmata einai kalitera se afton ton tomea, malon prepei na skefteis tin episkepsi se neurologo

cancer
03-11-2004, 02:35
cancerako stin aglia diamartirontai giati se tetoia peristatika oi mpatsoi timorountai.

stin ellada o mpatsos pou skotose to paidaki apo ti servia kikloforei eleftheros.
afou timorountai oi paranomisantes mpatsoi, den sintrexei logos diamartyrias.

OMG. Ksanadiavase to arthro. Vasika se vgazo apo ton kopo:

Stin ellada oi mpatsoi DEN timorountai, giafto den diamartiretai kanenas mpatsos

Stin aglia oi mpatsoi diamartirontai giati oi sinadelfoi tous timorithikan.

An tora den mporeis na katalaveis giati stin aglia ta pragmata einai kalitera se afton ton tomea, malon prepei na skefteis tin episkepsi se neurologo
ontws de diabasa to ar8ro.
zitao tapeina siggnomi.
as far as i was concerned otan egrapsa to proto reply, tetoia peristatika simvainoun ki ekei kai opoudipote, asxeta an timorountai h oxi (pragma gia to opoio den eixa ipopsi afou de diabasa to ar8ro).

o neurologos de 8a itan i eidikotita stin opoia 8a eprepe na apeuthunthw, an 8a xa diabasei to ar8ro prin kano reply.

Gabriel
03-11-2004, 02:37
Dikaioyntai oi mpatsoi kapoia periorismenh amnhstia se periptwseis poy skotwnoyn se atyxhma? 'H apla na prosexan kalytera?

Να πρόσεχαν καλύτερα. Η άδεια της οπλοφορίας θα έπρεπε να συνοδεύεται με περισσότερη υπευθυνότητα κι όχι περισσότερη ανοχή, ιδίως όταν μπορούν να συμβούν τέτοια περιστατικά που δε "διορθώνονται", όπως ο θάνατος ενός ατόμου.

[devil's advocate]Απαιτείται, όμως, preemption από τους Αστυνομικούς, αν είναι να μην δεχθούν πυρά πρώτοι. Στατιστικά και μόνο - και σε ιδιαίτερες περιπτώσεις (νύχτα κτλ.) - ακόμα και η καλύτερη εκπαίδευση μπορεί να μην είναι αρκετή. Και, σου λένε, ότι βάζουν τη ζωή τους στη γραμμή του πυρός. Μιας και δεν το κάνουν επίτηδες (δεν ήταν εκτέλεση, δηλαδή), υποστηρίζουν ότι είναι one of those unfortunate occurances που δεν μπορούν να αποφευχθούν. [/devil's advocate]

When Black Roses Bloom
03-11-2004, 02:42
Mpatsoi, opla kai kautes seles...

aggelhs_rwxamhs
03-11-2004, 08:09
antidrash- el.as
Xoirino kreas eprepe na peis ....

freak brother
03-11-2004, 08:39
[quote="freak brother":2isj15ij]antidrash- el.as
Xoirino kreas eprepe na peis ....[/quote:2isj15ij]

skotwsane ton MIXALH ton mixalh ton mixalh

aggelhs_rwxamhs
03-11-2004, 08:45
[quote="aggelhs_rwxamhs":89wm60o6][quote="freak brother":89wm60o6]antidrash- el.as
Xoirino kreas eprepe na peis ....[/quote:89wm60o6]

skotwsane ton MIXALH ton mixalh ton mixalh[/quote:89wm60o6]
Pali adiavastos (!!!!!!)
Den exoyme mixalh, mixalh, mixalh

Raven Lord
03-11-2004, 12:38
θυμάστε τη φάση τέλη '80 αρχές '90, που ένας μπάτσος είχε σκοτώσει ένα παιδί που πήγαινε στο ωδείο με την κιθάρα στην πλάτη? τότε είχαν πει ότι το παιδί του επιτέθηκε με μαχαίρι, αλλά μετά από χρόνια αποδειχθηκε ότι το μαχαίρι το "φυτεψαν" κατόπιν... ο μπάτσος όμως έμεινε ατιμώρητος και ο λόγος που σκότωσε το παιδί άγνωστος...

Deggial
03-11-2004, 13:11
Η βλακεία σκοτώνει.

chris_boss
03-11-2004, 13:20
η μουσική σκοτώνει

enitharmon
03-11-2004, 15:49
kai i peirateia skotwnei, alla as min to kanoume thema...