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Self-explanatory. Eimai apla periergos gia th gnomh ton fans. Osoi tous anakalypsan meta to '95 parakalountai na mh symmetexoun :P
Kingryche
29-09-2004, 01:42
vale kai trith epilogh kapou sto endiameso.
emporiki kathara kinisi gia mena itan i sinergasia me tin simfoniki kai i kinisi tou "kai kala wmou" St.Anger.Oxi oti exei emporiki kai efkoloakousti mousiki alla an to kommatia eixan kaliteri paragwgi kai mikroteri diarkeia tha pigainan safws gia to koino twn SOAD kai tou loipou sinafiou.
Den theoro kanena ksepoulima oute to Black Album poy lene polloi oute fisika to Load pou lene oi perissoteroi
Oti kai na kanoun panta tha uparxei kosmos pou tha leei oti to ekanan gia ta lefta, opote den exoun epilogi. Ara kanoun auto pou goustaroun ki osoi einai na tous vrizoun tous vrizoun outos i allos.
bleeding
29-09-2004, 13:36
oute ego theoro akrivos oti ksepoulithikan alla oxi k pos oti kanoun to kanoun mono epeidi goustaroun. to load einai diskara alla auta pou me xlasan poly einai to reload pou pisteuo oti den akougetai k i paragogi tou st. anger pou mou ti dinei sta neura giati theoreitai "apopsi" ara einai apodekti eno an eixe tin idia paragogi me ta idia kommatia ena protoemfanizomeno group tha to eixan katathapsei oloi. par'ola auta to st. anger exei oraia meri alla kapou me kourazei.
and justice for all re!!!
Starbreaker
29-09-2004, 15:25
"kanoun oti kanoun gia thn parth tous"... Eleos metallades, milate gia ta group les k einai ksaderfia sas! oloi aneksairetws einai epaggelmaties, to 8ema einai an afto pou 8a vgei einai kalo. to load htan, to st anger baaaaaa...
Den 3erw an einai poulhmenoi ,den toys gnwrizw kai proswpika.. Alla pshfisa to 2o mono k mono gt de mporw na agnohsw osa exoyn kanei sto parel8on (ta opoia den einai kai liga) . Dikaiwma toys na bgaloyn kapoia lefta parapanw ap th stigmh poy exoyn th magkia na to kataferoyn. (tonizw oti den m aresoyn ola ta album toys k oti den eimai kamia tromera fanatikh fan)
Sosta. An eleges oti eisai fanatikh fan tha htan ypervolh.
to fanatikh phgaine paketo me to tromera ws epi8eto:P twra den 3erw an ekana la8os.. na feroyme kanena filologo kalytera :)
Eh vasika to "fan" einai syntomeysh tou "fanatic", to opoio fantazomai ksereis ti shmainei. Tora ksanadiavase thn teleytaia protash tou prohgoumenou post sou.
Kai nai se peirazo :)
ConJoined Thighs
30-09-2004, 23:02
Xm...
Ksepoulithikan?me poia logikh
to mono album tous pou mporeis na peis oti einai kathara emporiko einai to black album.
Kata ta alla load , reload den nomizw na ta goustarei aftos pou sinithws agorazei mousiki/pop corn , dioti an kai exoune kana dio kommatia to kathena pou standar eksasfalizei arketes ores sto radiofwno,ws sinolo den einai ikanopiitiko giati ta "amiita" aftia (vlepe vandh visi karvelas kalomoira"
Pantws gia na vgalun lefta...ligo diskolo.Tosa den exoune?
rockavlon
30-09-2004, 23:14
gia ta lefta to kanoun kai tha sas pw giati !"?
oi typoi, exoun akribo lifestyle ? o l(arse) agorazei pleon antikes kai pipes, ekei mporei na petakseis kai 50 myrria etsi gia plaka... opote nai, thelei synexeia $$. dioti den tha to kanei otan tha nai 50... kai prepei na eksasfalistei. o lars einai xwrismenos px, plhrwnei diatrofes ktl ktl, oso perissotera exeis, dineis analoga.... e...
pantws mousika oi aplyta exoun na bgaloun kati sobaro apo to loadk i meta, metallika de milwntas, to teleutaio spoudaio tous album einai to black. alla htan ligo commercial. telwspantwn.
kiss my l-arse
To Load gamaei rockavlous.
rockavlon
30-09-2004, 23:58
o rockavlos mamaei blitzes :P beer, good !
H dikh mou theoria btw vrisketai kapou endiamesa. Ekanan panta to diko tous, to opoio tous apefere xrhmata.
Den pisteyo se kamia periptosh oti ekanan kati apokleistika gia to xrhma, opos kai den pisteyo oti tha ekanan pote kati an den to goustaran 100% oi idioi, xoris na ypologisoun kanenan allon.
Safos kaneis de dinei gia thn psyxh ths manas tou. Alla otan to xrhma ginetai aytoskopos (oson afora th mousikh sygkekrimena), kapou gamietai to thema. Oxi aparaithta, alla sinithos. Variemai na to analyso peraitero, giati exo pei ta idia pragmata 32423984398 fores.
Pantos pshfisa to 2o giati Metz own ;)
Vasika exoun vgalei tosa lefta pou kai to Louvro na ithele na parei o Lars (leme tora) tha to epairne. Alla pera apo ton Lars, mousika stous Metallica panta to 85-90% itan o Hetfield. An ithele kanenas Lars i kanenas Kirk na valoun kommati san to Mama Said se album kai de goustare o Hetfield tha tous erixne xristopanagies, antitheta autos evaze oti kommati ithele se album.
StationEleven
01-10-2004, 01:54
to deutero
metallica kai 3ero pswmi
Kingryche
01-10-2004, 02:36
Xmm oson afora top thema an Metallica einai pio poli Hetfield h Ulrich.
O boss mou to kalokairi eixe kanei mesa stis alles kai mia periodeia twn Metallica gia to Black Album.
Epigrammatika mou eipe oti oi Metallica einai enas anthropos oson afora to management tous...Lars Ulrich.Oles oi apofaseis tis mpantas pernane apo afton.Mou elege oti den exei ksanasintisei mousiko pou na exei ola ta themata pou aforoun tin mpanta mesa sto kefali tou.Sigekrimena mou eipe pws einai O Businessman stis rock business...
Apo tin alli o Ulrich paizei kai na min exei grapsei pote mia melwdia gia tous Metallica kai omws exei simvolaio na einai to onoma tou se ola ta kommatia twn Metallica.
Allo to ena allo to allo... an to erotima itan "vgazoun aromata kai esorouxa metallica gia ta lefta" profanos i apantisi tha itan nai, kathos de nomizo na tous kolakeuei ena stringaki metallica. Gia ti mousiki omos, einai o hetfield kai i banta tou.
Apisteytos businessman indeed. Diavazo synenteykseis tou kai meno malakas (opos kai aytoi pou tolmoun na ton rothsoun otidhpote gia to group).
To xo ksanapei alla.. Apo kapoia periodo kai meta, OTIDHPOTE efere to logo "MetallicA" htan katadikasmeno na poulhsei. Eite ayto htan 80s thrash, eite pop, eite laika. Prokeitai gia kati pou kataferan oi idioi. Den eixan anagkh na "ksepoulithoun". Kai osoi pisteyete kati diaforetiko na pate na gamitheite :)
Apo tin alli o Ulrich paizei kai na min exei grapsei pote mia melwdia gia tous Metallica kai omws exei simvolaio na einai to onoma tou se ola ta kommatia twn Metallica.
Eh fantazomai to onoma kathe drummer fainetai stis syntheseis, kathos profanos aytos einai pou grafei ta tympana :)
Kai mhn ksexname oti prokeitai gia diko tou group, dikh tou idea, dikh tou epityxia.
atom_smasher
02-10-2004, 05:08
o airetikos.mou einai sxedon adiaforoi.1-2 kommatakia goustarw.
Kingryche
02-10-2004, 23:44
Your mind tells you that you've lost your confidence
You're drifting and ya don't believe in anyone
To lose what little you have left to be proud of
Afraid you can't do this again, ah!
You said that nothing come in-between us
The way of getting things we wanted done
Then enissophobia held you under its influence
Until you compromised your style
Everything about you has been one big charade
What will you do now that the well's run dry? Cry?
To sell out all your friends and stab them in the back
It's something that you are; it's something that I'm not
When you forced me into doing what you love
Mark my words no one loves you very much, yeah mark em'
And when you tried to change me and tried to replace me
I couldn't help but end just hating you, hmm!
Being a fraud can only last so long, you should know
Till what ya sensed as a child returns, you little baby
To choke out the voice that told ya “money and the fame”
Would fill the crater that you dug for yourself
Unlike you I'm no vision to myself, lest you forget
You didn't ever make metal, buddy; metal made you
To crush and run over everyone along the way
It's something that you are; it's something that I'm not
A stranger to yourself, ha! ya pissed me off again
I won't be driven by your needs anymore
What you'd become to do or be is clear to see for me
It's something that you are; something that I'm not
It makes me sick to hear you say you “love me”
I know you only love what I can do for you
If you were the one that was leading the charge
Would you notice if I missed a day or two? But that's impossible!
We all laughed at the parodies that you'd become
Now your pain slowly paid back has begun
So, accept my resignation, or in your words “betrayal”
Before it gets much worse, end this self-sabotage
Something that I'm not, something that you are, something I'm not
Something that I'm not, something that you are, something I'm not
Something that you are, something I'm not, yet
Mantepste poios egrapse gia poion kai kerdiste ena apo ta sigxoroxartia pou moirazei o Vic sto eksofillo tou teleftaiou diskou...
dyingfreedom
02-10-2004, 23:54
Ta grapsan ola sta paparia tous kai grapsane mousikh mono gia thn parth tous apo to Load ki epeita. Magkia tous.
Ta peri Napster htan afta pou ksexeilisan to pothri kai gi'ayto ftaiei monaxa o Ulrich.
Stormrider
02-10-2004, 23:59
Ksepoulhmenoi. Panta oti poulaei kai ola gia ta lefta.
Esy akous iced earth. Den exeis dikaioma na ekfereis gnomh.
AngelOfSorrow
03-10-2004, 10:45
vazw to dyers eve kai xynw kai "na" ki an 3epoulithikan.......
(pou den to kanane...)
kanena apo ta 2. h alitheia vrisketai kapou sth mesh nomizw. h megalyterh malakia ths karieras tous pantws den exei na kanei amigws me th mousikh tous, htan h antidrash tous gia to napster. to mono pou kataferan htan na dwsoun dikio se olous aytous pou tous kathgorousan oti sto myalo tous yparxoun mono ta $$.
Akoma den exo katalavei pou akrivos esfalan me thn ypothesh tou napster. H mousikh tous einai dhmiourghma tous kai profanos tous anhkei. Eginan oloi eidhmones naoum kai tha tous poun pos tha diaxeiristoun thn idiokthsia tous. Koumanto sto sygkrothma tous. Astogerodiaolo.
Nomizete oti pragmatika exei vash na diamartyresai kai na stravoneis epeidh kapoios de dinei th mousikh TOU dorean? An einai dynato dld...
nai ok, o tropos pou to ekanan olo ayto htan ekneyristikos. asxeta apo to an eixan dikio. an htan kana mikro group fysika den tha epairne tetoia ektash to gegonos, alla otan ta kanoun ayta oi metallica einai ligo apomythopoihsh sta matia twn opadwn. edw ta idia ta melh tou group fanhke pws den mporousan na synnenoithoun metaksy tou, afou alla elege o Ulrich kai alla o Hetfield. kai mhn akousw malakies oti ta ekanan epeidh akrivws einai megalo group kai ithelan na voithisoun th mousikh me th dynamh pou exoun.
apo thn allh, to paron deixnei oti mousikh kai downloading mporoun siga siga na symviwsoun armonika metaksy tous. epishs mporeis na deis prosfates ereynes panepisthmiou ths Amerikhs pou deixnei h ptwsh twn pwlhsewn cd den ofeiletai sto paranomo downloading.
Kingryche
04-10-2004, 02:01
ok kai estw eixan dikio ws pros tin ousia tou ti iperaspizontousan sto napster.
an omws einai toso adikimenoi apo to Napster oi Metallica pou oi megaliteres meres tis mpantas kai mousika kai emporika itan se epoxes pou den ipirxe oute internet,oute napster,oute tosi peiratia kai piran apo pwliseis oti aksizan tote ti na poun simerines mpantes pou exoun na antimetwpisoun oli afti tin katastasi apo tin arxi tis karieras tous.
Apo tin alli an den ta poun oi Metallica poios tha ta pei gia na akoustoun?
Dikio eixan,mallon lathos to xeirisrtike o Ulrich.
Βασκά στα @@ το αν ξεπουλήθηκαν. είτε ξεπουλήθηκαν είτε όχι ό,τι έγραψαν το έγραψαν και άμα το γουστάρω το ακούω. ούτε από μένα τα πήραν τα λεφτά που έπιασαν, ούτε μου έδωσαν τίποτα από αυτά..
Sigoura den tous thewrw mousikous pou kanoun 100% oti goustaroun, pou pistevw ayto einai to erwthma. Einai se aythentikothta opws ena terastio pososto emporikwn sygrothmatwn, dhladh ena megalo meridio ths eythynhs ths kateythynshs pou akolouthoun mousika, exei h agora.
Kai ayto den tha htan aparaithta kako an oi Metallica twn 80s den htan o orismos ths aythnetikothtas kai tou anti-commercialism.
O logos pou oi perissoteroi palioi opadoi tous vgazoun spyria me to sygrothma einai oti tous tsouzei h syglonistilkh diafora sto attitude kai xarakthra tou group pou agaphsan me tous Metallica post-Justice...
Ekshgoumai gia na mhn parekshgoumai:
Thewrw to Black Album apisteyto disko mousika. Apla den einai enas diskos pou tha kykloforousan oi Metallica ths dekaetias tou 80 kai den ennow mono mousika alla kai ola ta synafh.
Ta Load kai Reload exoun kales stigmes kai periexoun kalh mousikh, aplws den einai mousikh tou goustou mou. Parola ayta den thewrw oti einai kai prwtoporiakh mousikh opws arketoi prospathwntas na yperaspistoun thn mpanta yposthrizoun. Einai kales kai se shmeia empneysmenes prosmikseis eidwn pou exoun ksanakoustei.
A, kai to booklet tou diskou einai gia thn pyra. Opoios prospathei na peisei ton eayto tou oti ti ekanan epithdes gia na prokalesoun, einai provato. Kai meta sygxwrhsews dhladh.
To S&M einai pantelws anempneysto. Se ayto den kathgorw tous Metallica, alla ton makarith ton Kamen. Mia oloklhrh orxhstra se rolo backing synth. A total waste. Epishs, o Hetfield tragikos, kai einai krima dioti htan apo ta dynatotera xartia ths mpantas. Eksairw ta dyo prwtotypa tragoudia tou diskou, ta Human kai No Leaf Clover, pou proswpika me ekseplhksan gia Metallica syntheseis (epic oi Metallica??). Polla eyshma.
Genikws, oi Metallica (kai gia na akrivologw, o Hetfield) tha mporouse na synexisei na paizei wraiotath mousikh an ontws ekane ayto pou goustare synexeia. Pshgmata ayths ths pragmatikothtas fainontai oxi mono se shmeia Load/Reload alla kyriws stis diaskeyes tou Garage Inc. Poly epityxhmenes oi perissoteres (me thliverh eksairesh thn vanaysh katakreourghsh twn Mercyful Fate) kai me diaxyth thn aisthisi oti h mpanta goustarei (toulaxiston o Hetfield).
Eidika sto Turn the Page, proskynaw ton James.
Erxomaste sto shmera. An h mpanta eixe akolouthisei mia tetoia poreia, sto yfos tou Turn the Page ennow kai se paremferes hxo, tha eixan ton sevasmo mou (an kai kamia sxesh me thn mpanta pou eixe hgeth ton Cliff) kai tha akouga me poly endiaferon kathe nea kykloforia.
Omws to St. Anger einai mia thliverh, entelws thliverh kykloforia kai prin me fate (an kai tha exw faei to thapsimo kai apo pio mprosta) ekshgw thn apopsh mou:
Den me enoxlhse toso h elleipsh solos. An kai den peithomai me kamia kyvernhsh oti htan proswpikh epilogh tou Hammet ayth, h mousikh pou phgan na paiksoun den tairiazei katholou me to yfos tou Hammet (eidika twn telytaiwn etwn - vlepe "latrevw ton Carlos Santana").
Elegan synexws prin vgei o diskos poso heavy tha htan kai poso back to roots, poso thymizei brutal groups (Entombed (thee mou) kai Meshuggah) klp... Ayto apo mono tou ftanei gia na katalavei kaneis oti o diskos stoxeye na ksanakerdisei opadous tou metal pou ws gnwston tous exoun kraksei para poly... Mia fora emena, ka-neis tous (me thn eksairesh tou apoxwrhsanta Newsted) den mou edwse thn entypwsh oti goustarei na paizei grhgora kai heavy. Kai ennow mousikh entypwsh, vasei twn teleytaiwn kykloforiwn tous. Parakalw, an kapoios pisteve oti oi Metallica to eixan mesa tous, na mou to pei.
Ektos omws apo tous palious opadous tous, ths thrash epoxhs, thelhsan na plhsiasoun kai tous metal opadous ths shmerinhs epoxhs. Paidia pou akoune SOAD, Slipknot, Disturbed klp. To St. Anger einai enas diskos telika pou prospathei na enwsei tria diaforetika metaksy tous pragmata:
a. thrash
b. metallica load/reload
c. SOAD, Slipknot, monterno metal genika...
Mazi me ola ayta, o Bob Rock thelei na kanei thn paragwgh wmh kai brutal (entelws symptwmatika o hxos twn Slipknot). Mono pou o hxos twn Slipknot mporei na akougetai san apo provadiko alla exei perasei wres epeksergasias kai exei enan yperempeiro paragwgo apo pisw. To idio kai oi SOAD. O Bob Rock einai idanikos gia paragwges Black Album/Bon Jovi (isws o idanikoteros) alla den exei idea pws doulevei o Rick Rubin px. To na sthseis ta tympana se 5 lepta den tha ta kanei na akougontai xyma, alla skata. Tis dikaiologies pou akousa argotera peri avant garde minimalismou, tis prospernaw, opws fantazomai tis prosperasate oloi (ektos ki an yparxei kaneis pou to efage, ola pithana einai!)
To provlhma: To thrash kai to monterno, groove oriented metal, pantrevontai poly dyskola kai sigoura prepei na eisai entelws mesa sthn fash gia na vgei kati wraio kai empneysmeno. Pantws, to na krathseis thn aplothta twn domwn tou monternou metal, me thn diarkeia twn kommatiwn tou Puppets *den* einai kalh idea. Mou ekane entypwsh pou diavaza paidia otan eixe vgei o diskos pou elegan poso den variontousan thn diarkeia kai aporousa. Gousta tha mou peis. Kai meta, fysika meta apo kana xrono, vgainei kai o Hetfield na pei to aytonohto: Oti polla kommatia tha mporousan na einai kai mikrotera...
Genikws, ena kyrio provlhma pou exei to St. Anger einai oti einai entelws aniso, kai exei thn aisthisi tou axtarma. Allo kommati exei ena thrash riff, allo exei ena Sabbathiko/Reload riff. Allo exei thn gaga, jump up-down domh twn monternwn group. Kai polles fores se ena kommati. Akouw ena fovero riff kai to kommati den plaisiwnetai panw tou alla paei deksia aristera. Kales stigmes, skorpies edw kai ekei, allou perissotero, allou ligotero.
Kai o Lars den mporei pia na paiksei grhgora. Apla pragmata. O anthrwpos den to exei. Pote den to eixe idiaitera alla pia arxizei kai ginetai emfanws kakos. Peran tou oti den kanei kanena gemisma sta grhgora shmeia kai einai entelws ntapantapa sketa, den einai oute kan akrivhs. Eidika sto DVD h katastash einai tragikh... To gegonos oti o hxos twn tympanwn einai toso xalia, kanei ta tympana to shmantikotero provlhma tou diskou.... Alla ksefeygw, den ithela na kanw kritikh tou St. Anger...
To DVD en telei, ta leei ola. Teleiwnei to session kai o Lars anafwnei: An den tous aresei kai ayto tote den kserw ti... Nomizw pws h sygkekrimenh dhlwsh einai h xarakthristikoterh gia thn katastash twn Metallica shmera.
Kai mias kai grafw egkyklopaidiko post as to synexisw na pw oti exw na pw, na me thapsete mia kai eksw :)
Kserw oti polloi goustarete ton disko. Eilikrina kai poly. Apla exw thn aisthisi oti enas logos parapanw pou thn vriskete einai oti agapate to group poly. Ayto den to anaferw ypotimhtika. Egw px, latrevw ton Kai Hansen kai oti disko kai na kykloforhsei ton liwnw kai ton latrevw. Akoma kai to Powerplant pou einai aplws anamashmata, ton latrevw. Alla kserw kala oti mousika o diskos einai antikeimenika metrios. Gia poly kosmo den exei shmasia h antikeimenikh aksia mousikhs pou agapane kai se genikes grammes tha symfwnhsw. Den grafw gia na peisw kanena oti oi Metallica vgalane moufa disko kai eiste vlakes pou den to vlepete. Aplws prospathw nhfalia na eksigisw, ws prwhn fanatikotatos opados tous kai nyn-antikeimenikos akroaths tous, thn stash tou perissoterou kosmou apenanti sto group. Opws vevaia kai na dwsw mia xiliometrikh apanthsh sto arxiko erwthma tou topic!! E, Metallica einai aytoi, aksizoun dyo arades parapanw...
Teleytaio pou thigw. Diavazontas kapoia topics sto subforum ayto (prwth fora mphka shmera) eida diaxyth thn aisthisi oti "siga mwre kai o Cliff, varethika na akouw gia to an zouse o Cliff" klp...
Lypamai paidia, alla opoios ta grafei ayta, den epiase ti htan oi Metallica thn dekaetia tou 80, ti htan o Cliff. O Cliff den htan enas aplos mpasistas kai sigoura to cult status tou den egine epeidh pethane. O Cliff htan terastia cult figoura prin pethanei kai an zouse shmera tha plhsiaze ton Lemmy. Nai, milame gia tetoia megethi! :P
Kala tha kanate na diavasete thn viografia twn Metallica apo ton Ross Halfin (o fwtografos pou tous akolouthei apo to 83, ton kserete fantazomai), o opoios ta leei poly xyma. Oi Metallica mexri to 86 htan o Cliff. Aytos htan h ekfrash tou xarakthra tous, aytos eixe to orama gia to pou phgainan klp, kai o James ton latreve kai ton eixe eidwlo. O Cliff htan o orismos tou anti-commercialism, aytos htan pou eixe thesei thema me ta video oti den tha symmetasxei se kanena, aytos htan h aitia pou yparxei mono mia studio fwtografhsh twn Metallica me ayton sthn synthesh (ayth tou Ride the Lightning). Kata ta logia tou Halfin, h xeiroterh fwtografhsh tous, goofy, giati ta paidia den aisthanontan aneta se sthmenes faseis klp, eidika o Cliff. O Cliff htan pou erikse to kwlodaxtylo (kyriolektika!) sthn Elektra otan tou eipan oti oi kampanes pou foraei den voithane to thrash image ths mpantas.
Otan pethane (synexizei o Halfin kai einai hliou faeinesteron lew egw), xasane thn vasikh tous antistash apenanti sthn polyethnikh, xasane ena poly vasiko kommati pou eixe kanei tous Metallica THEOUS sthn metal skhnh.
Oi perissoteroi akoute Metallica apo thn dekaetia tou 90. Paidia, den mporeite na fantasteite ti latreia eixan oi Metallica apo tous metalades thn dekaetia tou 80. Poioi Manowar kai pipes! Kai apo OLOUS (peran apo kati vlammenous tr00 Kreatorades/Slayerades-pio grhgores mpantes...) Otan loipon, ayth h mpanta arxizei me ta singles (4 an den kanw lathos apo to AJFA) kai to video merikoi stravomoutsouniasane. Oxi gia thn mousikh, alla giati kati allakse sthn mpanta - pros to xeirotero. Isws twra katalavete giati to Black Album den ekatse katholou kala me pollous metallades. Allh mpanta. Gamw men, allh mpanta de. Egw den kollaw sto oti ksepoulithikan kai tetoia, paei o Cliff, pane kai *ekeinoi* oi Metallica, alla efoson h erwthsh einai ayth...
A, na synexisw kai ta tou Halfin... To AJFA kata ton Ross, htan vasika enas Hetfield driven diskos, foros timhs klp. Den syzhtaw kan gia to syglonistiko To Live is to Die... To kommati milaei apo mono tou (mousika). Meta to AJFA, o Halfin leei (kai nomizw oloi to vlepete, aplws anaferw kai mia phgh pio konta sthn mpanta apo mas) oti o Lars egine h kinhthria dynamh ths mpantas gia to promotion. O Lars ithele oi Metallica na ginoun h megalyterh mpanta tou planhth kai den eixe tis idies antilhpseis me ton Cliff epi tou thematos. (btw, o Halfin den ta leei ypotimhtika ayta). Me to Black Album oi Metallica ginane h megalyterh metal mpanta tou planhth. 5 singles? 5 videos? 2.5 xronia periodeies, prowthisi apo to MTV, ntaksei, oloi kseroume ti htan emporika to Black Album. Aplws, egw thelw edw na pw oti oso polloi apo sas exoun varethei na akoune gia ton Cliff, allo toso exw varethei kai egw na akouw epixeirhmata tou styl "kanane panta ayto pou thelane, wrimasane, htan panta anatreptikoi" klp, san na prospathoun na peisoun oti somehow oi Metallica twn 80s einai h idia mpanta twn 90s. Nai, profanws, san anthrwpoi, oi idioi einai, h mpanta omws den einai kai elpizw ayto na to katalavainete pws to ennow...
Epimenw, den me endiaferei na thapsw tous shmerinous Metallica 'h na tous vgalw skata se sxesh me tous palious. Sigoura latrevw tous palious kai oxi tous neous, alla to syzhtaw kathara apostasiopoihmena sto thema ths mousikhs. Krinw tous neous Metallica san na htan mia mpanta pou ntempouto eixe to eksairetiko Black Album...
Elpizw, o epomenos diskos na mhn exei thn kateythynsh ('h thee mou fylage!) ton hxo tou St. Anger. Den tous paei, den akougetai gnhsio kai nomizw oti sthn telikh kai oi idioi tha xairontan perissotero me kati allo. Den vazw kai to xeri mou sto evaggelio vevaia, alla metaksy mas paidia, nomizw o James goustarei pio poly thn Reload/Turn the Page fash, o Hammet pio poly ta wahwah Santanizonta solo, o Lars na mhn paizei grhgora (kala, to mono sigouro!) kai o Rob... Kala, aytos oti na'nai, den exei provlhma. Theos mpasistas btw, ton latreva poly prin paei stous Metallica, apo tous YPERTATOUS Suicidal Tendencies kai tous apaixtous Infectious Grooves...
...Opoios diavase mexri edw kerdizei mpiskoto. Otan me thapsete, me regoula! Den ta lew apo kakia, ta lew giati pragmatika pistevw oti etsi einai kai den niwthw na exw kamia empatheia me tous Metallica... Allwste h synavlia tou 93 htan apo tis kalyteres pou exw dei :)
PS: Meta apo olo ayto, ti na pshfisw?????
Dragonlord
24-01-2005, 12:40
tha eixan ton sevasmo mou (an kai kamia sxesh me thn mpanta pou eixe hgeth ton Cliff)
Μέχρι εδώ διάβασα. PLEASE σταματήστε να παίρνετε τον κακόμοιρο το μακαρίτη και να τον βάζετε στη θέση που γουστάρει ο καθένας σας γιατί δε μπορεί να υπερασπιστεί τον εαυτό του. Ακούς εκεί ηγέτης των Metallica...
"Οι iron maiden ωραίο γκρουπάκι από τον τρίτο δίσκο κι έπειτα, αλλά καμία σχέση με τη μπάντα που είχε ηγέτη τον clive burr"
de se adikw pou den diavases olo ayto to katevato, alla for the record pio katw aitiologw thn sygkekrimenh dhlwsh. O Cliff den sygrinetai me thn kamia me ton rolo pou eixe o Burr stous Maiden...
Eh well ti na protosxoliaso.. Pithanotata de tha po osa thelo, giati to diavasa hdh mia fora kai htan arketh :P
Kat'arxas mexri tis anafores sto St. Anger pano-kato symfonoume.
Elegan synexws prin vgei o diskos poso heavy tha htan kai poso back to roots, poso thymizei brutal groups (Entombed (thee mou) kai Meshuggah) klp... Ayto apo mono tou ftanei gia na katalavei kaneis oti o diskos stoxeye na ksanakerdisei opadous tou metal pou ws gnwston tous exoun kraksei para poly... Mia fora emena, ka-neis tous (me thn eksairesh tou apoxwrhsanta Newsted) den mou edwse thn entypwsh oti goustarei na paizei grhgora kai heavy. Kai ennow mousikh entypwsh, vasei twn teleytaiwn kykloforiwn tous. Parakalw, an kapoios pisteve oti oi Metallica to eixan mesa tous, na mou to pei.
Ektos omws apo tous palious opadous tous, ths thrash epoxhs, thelhsan na plhsiasoun kai tous metal opadous ths shmerinhs epoxhs. Paidia pou akoune SOAD, Slipknot, Disturbed klp. To St. Anger einai enas diskos telika pou prospathei na enwsei tria diaforetika metaksy tous pragmata:
a. thrash
b. metallica load/reload
c. SOAD, Slipknot, monterno metal genika...
Ayto den to dexomai oute gia asteio. Oudepote sthn kariera tous (me thinks) oi Metz ekanan kati studiaka gia tous opadous tous. De dexomai oti to St. Anger eixe skopo na ikanopoihsei tous palious fans. Nai htan kati "neo" (gia MetallicA), nai htan kati pou kaneis den perimene, nai isos klinei pros ayto to neo gay amerikaniko eidos "metal", alla pisteyo oti san group gnorizoun poly kala ti exoun kanei, gnorizoun gia ti tous "kathgoroun" (pleon) kai an ithelan na "gyrisoun sto parelthon" tha to ekanan apolytos epityxhmena. To na "pantrepseis" ola ayta pou les einai toulaxiston afeles kai den pisteyo oti tha peftan sthn pagida. Den pisteyo oti tha prospathousan kan.
Ki oso gia to an goustaroun na paizoun "grhgora kai heavy" pisteyo ena live tous tha se peisei. Apla koita ena setlist apo ta gig tous gia to St. Anger. De xreiazetai pano apo mia matia.
To na sthseis ta tympana se 5 lepta den tha ta kanei na akougontai xyma, alla skata. Tis dikaiologies pou akousa argotera peri avant garde minimalismou, tis prospernaw, opws fantazomai tis prosperasate oloi (ektos ki an yparxei kaneis pou to efage, ola pithana einai!)
Pragmatika pisteyeis oti oloklhros Bob Rock mazi me tous MetallicA evgalan tetoia paragogh (kai tetoio - athlio kata genikh omologia - hxo sta tympana) "kata lathos"? ... De mporo na ksero giati kai pos, alla mou akougetai kapos..
Kai meta, fysika meta apo kana xrono, vgainei kai o Hetfield na pei to aytonohto: Oti polla kommatia tha mporousan na einai kai mikrotera...
Kai edo, pragmatika pisteyeis oti ekanan 7 xronia na vgaloun to album kai proseksan oti oi syntheseis einai megalyteres ap'oti tha prepe META thn kykloforia tou?
To DVD en telei, ta leei ola. Teleiwnei to session kai o Lars anafwnei: An den tous aresei kai ayto tote den kserw ti... Nomizw pws h sygkekrimenh dhlwsh einai h xarakthristikoterh gia thn katastash twn Metallica shmera.
Kala ayto htan akros eironiko kai o Lars einai synexeia etsi. An kanei pote kati meso tou group gia na ikanopoihsei opoiondhpote allon ektos apo ton idio (ante kai to ypoloipo group) ego kathomai na me paroun partouza :P
Btw, sxetika me to St. Anger, DE mou aresei. To exo akousei mia fora molis kai ayth oxi oloklhrh kai DE MOU ARESEI. Vevaia kai to Load de mou arese meta thn proth akroash, opote den kovo to laimo mou. Tha prospathiso kapoia stigmh pantos (to exo pei 329034 fores ayto).
Teleytaio pou thigw. Diavazontas kapoia topics sto subforum ayto (prwth fora mphka shmera) eida diaxyth thn aisthisi oti "siga mwre kai o Cliff, varethika na akouw gia to an zouse o Cliff" klp...
Ego to eipa ayto alla to parekshghses. Den amfivallo oti oi Metz htan kai tha htan diaforetikoi me ton Cliff. Den ksero me poion tropo, alla sigoura de tha htan oi idioi. ALLA o kathe - asxetos sinithos - enas petaei thn karamela "eh an zouse oi Cliff de tha evgazan Load" kai loipes paparies. Sygxyzomai pragmatika otan to akouo. Afhste ton anthropo sthn hsyxia tou kai epixeirhmatologeite me gamhmena GEGONOTA. DEN kserei kaneis ti tha ginotan me ton Cliff. Oute esy. Dekto men oti exeis zhsei 5 pragmata parapano (ta opoia ego exo apla diavasei) kai.. kai.. kai.. alla den ksereis. Apla. Opote de sxoliazo kai ta peraitero sxolia epi tou thematos.
...Opoios diavase mexri edw kerdizei mpiskoto. Otan me thapsete, me regoula! Den ta lew apo kakia, ta lew giati pragmatika pistevw oti etsi einai kai den niwthw na exw kamia empatheia me tous Metallica... Allwste h synavlia tou 93 htan apo tis kalyteres pou exw dei :)
PS: Meta apo olo ayto, ti na pshfisw?????
De se thavei kaneis, oso ekfrazesai etsi. Ektos ki an einai kathysterhmenos vevaia, opote de metraei anyway.
Latreyo tous Metz, exo megalosei mazi tous ki akoma ki an den tous liono pleon oso kapote, kathe fora pou akouo kapoio kommati tous se magazi, sto radio, opoudhpote, apla anatrixiazo. Anatrixiazo me tis syntheseis tous pragmatika.. me to ti egrafan ta typakia 20 xronia prin..
Nai, kyrios aytes ton ride/puppets/justice.. vevaia meta yparxei kai to my friend of misery...
Kingryche
25-01-2005, 02:45
Simfonw sw para polla pragmata me ton Vic kai ta themata sta opoia mporw na diafwnisw einai kathara logw mousikou goustou.Px to Justice kai to Black Album einai oso teleia einai to Master kai to Ride kat'eme.
Episis,to Load isws logw tou oti panta mou arese kai to hard rock pera apo to metal, gia mena einai apo tous kaliterous hard diskous tis proigoumenis dekaetias.Kapou ekei teleiwnoun kai oi diafwnies.
Episis, gia to mellon twn Metallica pistevw pws prepei na paradextoun tin "gia ta dedomena twn Mets" apotixia tou St.Anger kai na grapsoun kainourgio iliko.
O Trujillo einai katapliktikos mpasistas kai oles oi douleies tou apo Suicidal Tedencies kai Infectious Groove alla kai oi simmetoxes tou se Ozzy kai Black Label Society einai gamates.
An thelw pisw ton Newsted stous Metallica, einai giati pistevw oti exei poli perissotero Metallica feeling apo tous ipolipous.
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Elegan synexws prin vgei o diskos poso heavy tha htan kai poso back to roots, poso thymizei brutal groups (Entombed (thee mou) kai Meshuggah) klp... Ayto apo mono tou ftanei gia na katalavei kaneis oti o diskos stoxeye na ksanakerdisei opadous tou metal pou ws gnwston tous exoun kraksei para poly... Mia fora emena, ka-neis tous (me thn eksairesh tou apoxwrhsanta Newsted) den mou edwse thn entypwsh oti goustarei na paizei grhgora kai heavy. Kai ennow mousikh entypwsh, vasei twn teleytaiwn kykloforiwn tous. Parakalw, an kapoios pisteve oti oi Metallica to eixan mesa tous, na mou to pei.
Ektos omws apo tous palious opadous tous, ths thrash epoxhs, thelhsan na plhsiasoun kai tous metal opadous ths shmerinhs epoxhs. Paidia pou akoune SOAD, Slipknot, Disturbed klp. To St. Anger einai enas diskos telika pou prospathei na enwsei tria diaforetika metaksy tous pragmata:
a. thrash
b. metallica load/reload
c. SOAD, Slipknot, monterno metal genika...
Ayto den to dexomai oute gia asteio. Oudepote sthn kariera tous (me thinks) oi Metz ekanan kati studiaka gia tous opadous tous. De dexomai oti to St. Anger eixe skopo na ikanopoihsei tous palious fans. Nai htan kati "neo" (gia MetallicA), nai htan kati pou kaneis den perimene, nai isos klinei pros ayto to neo gay amerikaniko eidos "metal", alla pisteyo oti san group gnorizoun poly kala ti exoun kanei, gnorizoun gia ti tous "kathgoroun" (pleon) kai an ithelan na "gyrisoun sto parelthon" tha to ekanan apolytos epityxhmena. To na "pantrepseis" ola ayta pou les einai toulaxiston afeles kai den pisteyo oti tha peftan sthn pagida. Den pisteyo oti tha prospathousan kan.
Den thelw na epimenw se ayto to thema poly giati nomizw oti milaei to synaisthima edw kai egw milaw entelws apostasiopoihmena. Proswpika pistevw oti prepei na ksexwriseis to pws plhsiazan tous diskous tous oi Metallica Justice kai pisw kai meta. Den einai h idia nootropia. Einai lathos na prospatheis na parallhliseis tis dyo epoxes kai to pws skeftontan. Thewrw oti einai akoma pio afeles apo dhlwseis tou typou "me Cliff den evgaine Load" (pou shmeiwteon thewrw dedomeno kai profanes). Sygrine ta booklet tou Load kai tou Reload. Den sou fainetai poly pio mazemeno to deytero? Tyxaio? To metaniwsan oi idioi 'h egine ysteria me ta xalia tou prwtou? Ayto einai ena aplo paradeigma oti oi Metallica afougrazontai to ti legetai eksw. Kai sto thema tou St. Anger, lypamai alla gia mena einai entelws profanes oti h mousikh kateythynsh, to image tous kai h prowthisi tou diskou stoxeyoun se pio paradosiako koino syn tis mikroteres hlikies. Me poion vghkan periodeia?
Alla ksexna oles aytes tis parametrous kai skepsou monos sou thn mousikh tous apo to 91 kai meta mexri to St. Anger. Ean sou fainetai oti o diskos einai gnhsia ekfrash tous, paw paso. Nomizw pantws pws exw thn koinh logikh me to meros mou. Den einai theoi oi Metallica, mousikoi einai... H mousikh tous sto parelthon eixe polles allages alla eixe panta sxesh metaksy ths. O monos diskos pou ekane mpam kai irthe apo to pouthena htan to Black Album kai den nomizw na diafwnei kaneis kai me ayto. Strafhkan se entelws nea kateythynsh kai ksafnika en etei 2003 thymithikan oti tous aresei to grhgoro thrash styl. E, emena den me peithei kai den tha epimeinw parapanw.
Ki oso gia to an goustaroun na paizoun "grhgora kai heavy" pisteyo ena live tous tha se peisei. Apla koita ena setlist apo ta gig tous gia to St. Anger. De xreiazetai pano apo mia matia.
Kai to 93 paiksane to Whiplash, ayto den mou leei oti goustaroun na grafoun tetoia kommatia. To setlist tous eksyphretei kai ayto ena skopo. Hit the Lights? Eleos. Poion koroideyoun? Emas 'h ton eayto tous? An ayto den einai nostalgia bait tote den kserw ti einai...
To na sthseis ta tympana se 5 lepta den tha ta kanei na akougontai xyma, alla skata. Tis dikaiologies pou akousa argotera peri avant garde minimalismou, tis prospernaw, opws fantazomai tis prosperasate oloi (ektos ki an yparxei kaneis pou to efage, ola pithana einai!)
Pragmatika pisteyeis oti oloklhros Bob Rock mazi me tous MetallicA evgalan tetoia paragogh (kai tetoio - athlio kata genikh omologia - hxo sta tympana) "kata lathos"? ... De mporo na ksero giati kai pos, alla mou akougetai kapos..
Oxi aplws to pistevw. Eimai apolytws sigouros. Antikatesthse ton hxo tou St. Anger me ton hxo tou ntempoutou twn Slipknot 'h me to Iowa (pithana h kithara menei ws exei) kai tha deis oti o hxos aytos einai pou eksyphretei to styl tou St. Anger. Telos pantwn aytos einai o hxos pou parapempei amesa. Mono pou ta tympana ayta exoun perasei wres epeksergasias kai malista me tropo tetoio pou einai entelws antithetos me ton paradosiako tropo hxolhpsias. O Bob Rock einai o kateksoxhn old school, warm sound puristas paragwgos. O hxos aytos tou St. Anger einai ena teratourghma pou gennithike apo to pantrema dyo entelws antithetwn sxolwn. Ta 5-10 lepta pou phran ta tympana tou St. Anger einai kata dhlwsh tou idiou tou Bob Rock kai h aitiologhsh to idio. H sxesh xyma tympana/Slipknot hxos einai diko mou symperasma alla kai pali nomizw oti aplws syndew ta aytonohta. To lathos twn tympanwn den tha eprepe na se kanei na aporeis. Otan den exeis amesh sxesh me ayto pou prospatheis na epityxeis den einai dynaton na ksereis kai ti paei strava. Allwste kai sto Justice dhlwnan oti den tous arese katholou o hxos tou tampourou. Den einai h prwth fora pou ginontai tetoies gkafes sthn paragwgh. Sygrine ta tympana tou Black Album (apo ta teleiotera ston rock hxo genikotera, kata genikh omologia hxolhptwn/paragwgwn apo olh th mousikh viomhxania) me tou St. Anger. Sto prwto, o paragwgos kserei ti kanei, sto deytero den kserei. An experiment that went terribly wrong, STHN KALYTERH...
Kai meta, fysika meta apo kana xrono, vgainei kai o Hetfield na pei to aytonohto: Oti polla kommatia tha mporousan na einai kai mikrotera...
Kai edo, pragmatika pisteyeis oti ekanan 7 xronia na vgaloun to album kai proseksan oti oi syntheseis einai megalyteres ap'oti tha prepe META thn kykloforia tou?
7 xronia? Pou ta eides? H teleytaia tous douleia htan to 2000 me to I Dissapear. Kai ksereis kalytera apo mena fantazomai to xaos tou paraskhniou prin vgei o diskos. O xronos pou doulepsan ston disko einai poly poly mikroteros apo oso nomizeis. Xwria thn katastash tous. Oi Metallica mphkan sto studio tragika mperdemenoi kai sygxysmenoi kai nomizw to idio to St. Anger me ta anisa kommatia tou, thn athlia paragwgh tou kai ton swro twn dhlwsewn tous meta thn kykloforia tou einai pio tranes apodeikseis apo otidhpote tha mporousa egw na grapsw. O Hetfield eipe oti ta perissotera kommatia tha mporousan aneta na perikopoun sta 3-4 lepta, oxi egw. Methysmenos htan otan to elege 'h elege psemmata? Egw mia fora den aporw katholou. Afou eixa akrivws thn idia apopsh poly prin vgei na to pei o idios!
To DVD en telei, ta leei ola. Teleiwnei to session kai o Lars anafwnei: An den tous aresei kai ayto tote den kserw ti... Nomizw pws h sygkekrimenh dhlwsh einai h xarakthristikoterh gia thn katastash twn Metallica shmera.
Kala ayto htan akros eironiko kai o Lars einai synexeia etsi. An kanei pote kati meso tou group gia na ikanopoihsei opoiondhpote allon ektos apo ton idio (ante kai to ypoloipo group) ego kathomai na me paroun partouza :P
Twra tha ginw ligo kakos alla den kserw allo tropo. Symfwnw apolytws oti o Lars thelei na ikanopoihsei ton eayto tou. Alla me poio tropo? Me thn gnhsia mousikh tou ekfrash 'h me tous Metallica me god-status? (na pw me megalo logariasmo sthn trapeza 'h einai poly kako? ;) )
Thn mousikh ekfrash twn Metallica thn perimenw apo ton Hetfield, oxi apo ton Lars. O Lars einai pou skatwnei thn mousikh tous poreia an thes kat'eme, oxi giati einai kakos drummer (ayta diorthwnontai kai mporei na einai kai eparkestatos an to thelei) alla giati akrivws den afhnei ton Hetfield na akolouthisei to mousiko tou enstikto. O Hetfiled einai to gnhsio mousiko talento twn Metallica (kai sto parelthon to didymo tou me ton Cliff htan thavmatourgo) alla den einai katholou anephreasto, pragma pou gia emena exei stoixisei poly sthn mpanta.
Btw, sxetika me to St. Anger, DE mou aresei. To exo akousei mia fora molis kai ayth oxi oloklhrh kai DE MOU ARESEI. Vevaia kai to Load de mou arese meta thn proth akroash, opote den kovo to laimo mou. Tha prospathiso kapoia stigmh pantos (to exo pei 329034 fores ayto).
Proswpika vrhka kales stigmes, kala riff, kai ypo kapoies synthikes tha mporousa na me fantastw na akouw kapoia kommatia. Exei omws polla pragmata pou me enoxloun afantasta kai me empodizoun na estiasw stis kales stigmes. Dystyxws den agapaw tous shmerinous Metallica oso tous palious gia na ta agnohsw mesa apo thn kavla mou...
Teleytaio pou thigw. Diavazontas kapoia topics sto subforum ayto (prwth fora mphka shmera) eida diaxyth thn aisthisi oti "siga mwre kai o Cliff, varethika na akouw gia to an zouse o Cliff" klp...
Ego to eipa ayto alla to parekshghses. Den amfivallo oti oi Metz htan kai tha htan diaforetikoi me ton Cliff. Den ksero me poion tropo, alla sigoura de tha htan oi idioi. ALLA o kathe - asxetos sinithos - enas petaei thn karamela "eh an zouse oi Cliff de tha evgazan Load" kai loipes paparies. Sygxyzomai pragmatika otan to akouo. Afhste ton anthropo sthn hsyxia tou kai epixeirhmatologeite me gamhmena GEGONOTA. DEN kserei kaneis ti tha ginotan me ton Cliff. Oute esy. Dekto men oti exeis zhsei 5 pragmata parapano (ta opoia ego exo apla diavasei) kai.. kai.. kai.. alla den ksereis. Apla. Opote de sxoliazo kai ta peraitero sxolia epi tou thematos.
Nomizw oti kai esy pareksigeis ton kosmo pou to leei ayto. Den nomizw oti to zhthma einai h mousikh twn Load/Reload alla h synolikh eikona tou group. Fysika oi Metallica den einai to tsifliki kanenos gia na tous pei pws tha sthnontai klp, alla nomizw einai pasifanestato oti tha htan mia allh mpanta me ton Cliff. Mia mpanta pou den tha kykloforouse ena disko san to Load. Nai, den einai gegonos alla den vgazoume dikastikes apofaseis edw, mia aplh analysh kanoume vasei twn oswn kseroume. Den einai kai toso episfalhs h sygkekrimenh provlepsh. To an exei nohma na krineis pws tha htan oi Metallica shmera einai mia allh istoria kai tha symfwnhsw mazi sou oti den exei kamia ousiastikh aksia. Egw aplws prospathw na aitiologhsw to skeptiko pisw apo olh ayth thn filologia. Esena se enoxlei poly perissotero apo mena olh ayth h fasaria gyrw apo to onoma tous giati tous agapas akoma san mpanta kai magkia sou. E, katanohsh :) Kai aytoi pou ta lene ta lene epeidh agaphsan kapote thn 80s mpanta...
Tous Metallica kai egw tous latrevw, opws kai esy. Apla gia mena yparxoun dyo Metallica kai egw latrevw tous prwtous. Alla nai, tous latrevw se shmeio ahdias...:)
De tha sxoliaso parapano giati ok o kathenas exei th gnomh tou kai den exei idiaitero nohma. Tha statho mono se 2 shmeia.
KATARXAS ti skopo eksyphretei to setlist? Eimai ths gnomhs oti einai apo ta elaxista groups pou exoun th dynatothta na paiksoun OTI goustaroun. Kanoun tour gia na proothisoun to St. Anger kai kala kai paizoun 2-3 kommatia apo ayto kai 15 apo ta prota tous. Kai KANENA apo Load/Reload. An den einai kathara epilogh tous, ti einai?
Ehm.. 7 xronia mesolavhsan metaksy Reload kai St. Anger. Ta Garage/S&M/Disappear de metrane gia profaneis logous. Kai nai htan polla sth mesh kai o xronos pou afierothike sto album htan kata poly ligoteros. Alla den einai kana groupaki ths seiras.. Den ksero. Isos htan viastikh/proxeirh kinhsh (ayto tha dikaiologouse polla). Apla mou fainetai periergo.
Ki ego tha latreya perissotero tous "palious" Metz apo tous "neous", oi opoioi opos sou eipa de me sygkinoun idiaitera. Apla de dexomai oti einai 2 diaforetika groups. Tha htan voliko men na mazepso tis koryfaies stigmes ths karieras tous kai na tis onomaso "palioi MetallicA", alla to theoro xazo. Sovara. Aytoi einai.-
Den tha epektathw kai egw allo. Den thelw na spaw ta nevra allwn me to na tous prhzw gia thn agaphmenh tous mpanta. Tha apanthsw mono sta dyo shmeia sou kai mporoume as to afhsoume ekei :)
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KATARXAS ti skopo eksyphretei to setlist? Eimai ths gnomhs oti einai apo ta elaxista groups pou exoun th dynatothta na paiksoun OTI goustaroun. Kanoun tour gia na proothisoun to St. Anger kai kala kai paizoun 2-3 kommatia apo ayto kai 15 apo ta prota tous. Kai KANENA apo Load/Reload. An den einai kathara epilogh tous, ti einai?
An mh ti allo ayto einai epivevaiwsh aytwn pou lew... Apokyrrhsontas apo to live setlist aytous tous diskous pernane ena safestato mhnyma. Sigoura einai epilogh tous, apla den vgazw to idio symperasma me sena gia ta kinhtra tous.
Ehm.. 7 xronia mesolavhsan metaksy Reload kai St. Anger. Ta Garage/S&M/Disappear de metrane gia profaneis logous. Kai nai htan polla sth mesh kai o xronos pou afierothike sto album htan kata poly ligoteros. Alla den einai kana groupaki ths seiras.. Den ksero. Isos htan viastikh/proxeirh kinhsh (ayto tha dikaiologouse polla). Apla mou fainetai periergo.
To kserw oti htan 7 ta xronia metaksy twn dyo kykloforiwn :)
Alla opws sigoura ksereis den ksekinhsan na grafoun me to pou vghke to Reload kai sigoura h prwth profanhs hmeromhnia einai meta to I Dissapear. Mono pou oute ayth einai swsth dioti eixan ta trexamata me ton James kai ton Jason. Vasika den tha mou proksenouse ekpliksi an h mousikh grafthke mesa se ligous mhnes. Den einai kako ayto kai den leei tipota me to an einai groupaki ths seiras. To Liquid Tension Experiment grafthke se 3 meres, den shmainei oti oi mousikoi htan ths seiras. An mh ti allo, o logos pou to St. Anger akougetai etsi nomizw kyriws ofeiletai sto mpaxalo tou paraskhniou kai oti den katsane ena xrono na hremhsoun. Fantazomai exeis dei to MTV Icon pou milane gia thn periodo. Htan profanhs h diathesh: "pou eisai James? Prepei na vgaloume disko! Exei parei toso kairo!" Krima, dioti eimai sigouros oti an pairnane ton xrono tous tha eksaleifontan arketa apo ta provlhmata tou diskou...
Ki ego tha latreya perissotero tous "palious" Metz apo tous "neous", oi opoioi opos sou eipa de me sygkinoun idiaitera. Apla de dexomai oti einai 2 diaforetika groups. Tha htan voliko men na mazepso tis koryfaies stigmes ths karieras tous kai na tis onomaso "palioi MetallicA", alla to theoro xazo. Sovara. Aytoi einai.-
...kai ena 3o shmeio! :) Idia melh (sxedon, poso mallon otan milame kai gia enan Cliff), allh mpanta. Mousika kai san nootropia. Den einai xazo, einai h pragmatikothta. Den sou lew oti prepei na mou paradexteis oti ontws milame gia alles mpantes, aplws thewrw poly logiko gia poly kosmo na kanei ton diaxwrismo, akoma kai gia tous kafrous pou tous vrizoune epeidh einai moda. Egw pantws mia fora dhlwnw oti oi 80s Metallica einai h agaphmenh mou mpanta. As einai xazo. Etsi niwthw.
eyeamflesch
26-01-2005, 11:03
ANTE BRE MPOUFE MPLITZA POU AMA TOXAN KAMNEI OI PRIEST AfTO ME TO NAPSTER THA TOYS EKRAZES MEXRI NA PETHANEIS KAI ISWS EPESTREPTES WS FANTAZMA GIA NA TOYS KRAKSEIS PIOTERO.
Arneitai kapoios mipws oti stin periptwsi tou Napster eixan dikio?
eyeamflesch
26-01-2005, 11:15
Arneitai kapoios mipws oti stin periptwsi tou Napster eixan dikio?
Egw. Arneisai oti exoun adiko i etaireies na poulan ta sinti tous (twn etaireiwn, oxi mono twn metallica) 20$?
Symfwnw pws einai ypervolikes oi times twn cd. I diafora omws einai oti to men einai nomimo, to de paranomo.
Symfono 100% me tous metz sth fash tou napster. Ksereis giati? Epeidh de skeftontai oloi san emena. Den agorazoun oloi cd. Arketoi voleyontai me ta mp3. Eh na pane na gamithoun.
An h xrhsh ton mp3 htan diaforetikh (aka akouo-ki-oti-goustaro-to-agorazo) nai tote pithanotata tha yposthriza to napster ki opoiodhpote paromoio programma. Ayta.
Kai nai oi diskografikes einai giatompoutso kai h alitheia einai oti ta groups pairnoun ena poly mikro pososto apo tis polhseis ton albums tous, opote ousiastika den yposthrizeis idiaitera to group agorazontas to cd tous, alla life's a bitch.. Den einai lysh to na katevazeis mono. De tha xreokophsei kamia polyethnikh etsi. Ta mikrotera groups omos tha paroun to mpoulo.
eyeamflesch
26-01-2005, 16:04
@blitz Ta mikra groups pairnoun ton mpoulo ontas sta ranks polyethnikwn.
Ama nomizeis oti to downloading kai i peirateia den blaptei tis etaireies, eisai afelis.
Stin periptwsi twn Metallica, i praksi tou Ulrich itan kathara apotelezma tis anisyxias toy gia to pws tha zisoyn ta diseggona tou.
@tzimint To oti to downloading einai paranomo den einai arkietos logos gia na min to kamw. I thanatiki poini einai nomimi se polla simeia tou kozmou, egw omws de symfwnw me ti nomimotita tis opws de symfwnw me ti nomimotita tou na bazoun oi etaireies tetoies times sta sinti tous.
Na sto pw alliws: dixws to net dling de tha eixa akousei oute to 1/1000 aFtwn pou xw akousei mexri simera kai tha eprepe na dialegw metaksy toy na eimai diarkws mpatiris (epeidis thaperna sintia) kai toy na pernw 1 sinti to mina.
@blitz Ta mikra groups pairnoun ton mpoulo ontas sta ranks polyethnikwn.
Ama nomizeis oti to downloading kai i peirateia den blaptei tis etaireies, eisai afelis.
Ennoousa oti oi MEGALES etaireies panta epivionoun, me ton enan h ton allon tropo. Exeis akousei gia polles polyethnikes pou ekleisan logo peirateias? :P
@tzimint To oti to downloading einai paranomo den einai arkietos logos gia na min to kamw. I thanatiki poini einai nomimi se polla simeia tou kozmou, egw omws de symfwnw me ti nomimotita tis opws de symfwnw me ti nomimotita tou na bazoun oi etaireies tetoies times sta sinti tous.
Na sto pw alliws: dixws to net dling de tha eixa akousei oute to 1/1000 aFtwn pou xw akousei mexri simera kai tha eprepe na dialegw metaksy toy na eimai diarkws mpatiris (epeidis thaperna sintia) kai toy na pernw 1 sinti to mina.
Loipon h peirateia DEN einai lysh. Vres kapoion allon tropo na tis "xtyphseis".
Ki epishs h agora albums DEN einai anagkh, einai polyteleia. Ki emena mou th spaei o geitonas pou exei oloklhrh poikilia supercars ki ego kykloforo me to suzuki ths mamas, alla den pao na tou ta klepso. Par'ol'ayta katalavaineis oti h empeiria mou me to suzukaki einai ena mhden sygkrinomenh me ayth pou prosferoun ta supercars. Kai epishs an ithela na exo merika apo ayta tha eprepe na eimai mpatirhs (h opos grafetai) gia thn ypoloiph zoh mou.
eyeamflesch
26-01-2005, 20:39
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@blitz Ta mikra groups pairnoun ton mpoulo ontas sta ranks polyethnikwn.
Ama nomizeis oti to downloading kai i peirateia den blaptei tis etaireies, eisai afelis.
Ennoousa oti oi MEGALES etaireies panta epivionoun, me ton enan h ton allon tropo. Exeis akousei gia polles polyethnikes pou ekleisan logo peirateias? :P
@tzimint To oti to downloading einai paranomo den einai arkietos logos gia na min to kamw. I thanatiki poini einai nomimi se polla simeia tou kozmou, egw omws de symfwnw me ti nomimotita tis opws de symfwnw me ti nomimotita tou na bazoun oi etaireies tetoies times sta sinti tous.
Na sto pw alliws: dixws to net dling de tha eixa akousei oute to 1/1000 aFtwn pou xw akousei mexri simera kai tha eprepe na dialegw metaksy toy na eimai diarkws mpatiris (epeidis thaperna sintia) kai toy na pernw 1 sinti to mina.
Loipon h peirateia DEN einai lysh. Vres kapoion allon tropo na tis "xtyphseis".
Ki epishs h agora albums DEN einai anagkh, einai polyteleia. Ki emena mou th spaei o geitonas pou exei oloklhrh poikilia supercars ki ego kykloforo me to suzuki ths mamas, alla den pao na tou ta klepso. Par'ol'ayta katalavaineis oti h empeiria mou me to suzukaki einai ena mhden sygkrinomenh me ayth pou prosferoun ta supercars. Kai epishs an ithela na exo merika apo ayta tha eprepe na eimai mpatirhs (h opos grafetai) gia thn ypoloiph zoh mou.
Grafeis rogkablistika, paei kai teleiwse.
Ok ksexna to paradeigma. H ousia einai oti den einai kati anagkaio, oste na dekto thn "kloph" os lysh. An px mou eleges oti den eixes na fas kai ekleves apo to manaviko ths geitonias tote EN MEREI tha se dikaiologousa. Otan prokeitai gia agatha polyteleias de dexomai ayto to epixeirhma. Vres kati kalytero :P Ayta. An leo kati paralogo pes mou :)
eyeamflesch
27-01-2005, 01:40
[zER]Ok ksexna to paradeigma. H ousia einai oti den einai kati anagkaio, oste na dekto thn "kloph" os lysh. An px mou eleges oti den eixes na fas kai ekleves apo to manaviko ths geitonias tote EN MEREI tha se dikaiologousa. Otan prokeitai gia agatha polyteleias de dexomai ayto to epixeirhma. Vres kati kalytero :P Ayta. An leo kati paralogo pes mou :)
De me les: skeFsou oti eisai ellada kai thes nagoraseis kithara apo ameriki mesw eBay. Exeis tis eksis epilogies:
a) plerwneis 40% foro polyteleias
b) les sto seller na dilwsei to dema ws dwro kai den plerwneis 40% foro polyteleias.
Mantepse ti tha eisai ama dialekseis to a) epidis thes na sai nomotagis: blakas.
Me alla logia, poso ___________ (insert arnitiko xaraktirizmo se sxiesi me ti noymosyni) mporeis na eisai gia na prospatheis na me peiseis oti opou nomimo = swsto?
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