XARDAVELAS

[ConJoined Thighs]

Eidate thn nea ekpompi tou , to savvatovrado?Milame gia akraies katastaseis.
O tipos pou ligize koutalia theos,tous doulevei olous psilo gazi!Proskinw!
Pantws, o xardavelas einai kalos gia merikes wres ksegnasias kai afthonou geliou.psixagwgias.

[freak brother]

Eidate thn nea ekpompi tou , to savvatovrado?Milame gia akraies katastaseis.
O tipos pou ligize koutalia theos,tous doulevei olous psilo gazi!Proskinw!
Pantws, o xardavelas einai kalos gia merikes wres ksegnasias kai afthonou geliou.psixagwgias.

o uri geller mporei na leei malakies.. alla den doulevei kanenan..
kai kaneis pote den apedeixe oti auta pou kanei einai trick

[ConJoined Thighs]

emena oute koutali ligise,oute pidikse katw apo tin tileorasi.Pistevw oti den ta kseroume ola gia tin iparksi mas,alla me kati tetoia GELAW

[Gabriel]

[quote="ConJoined Thighs":1ss9hr62]Eidate thn nea ekpompi tou , to savvatovrado?Milame gia akraies katastaseis.
O tipos pou ligize koutalia theos,tous doulevei olous psilo gazi!Proskinw!
Pantws, o xardavelas einai kalos gia merikes wres ksegnasias kai afthonou geliou.psixagwgias.

o uri geller mporei na leei malakies.. alla den doulevei kanenan..
kai kaneis pote den apedeixe oti auta pou kanei einai trick[/quote:1ss9hr62]

Kai mexri to Mesaiwna kaneis den eixe apodeiksei oti h Gh einai sfairikh, einai omws kai htan.

O Uri einai tsarlatanos.

[freak brother]

emena oute koutali ligise,oute pidikse katw apo tin tileorasi.Pistevw oti den ta kseroume ola gia tin iparksi mas,alla me kati tetoia GELAW

btw asxeto alla mia fora egw kai o dead phgame na deiroume tous behemoth sta exarhia .. polu gelio leme

[Harbinger of Death]

Αμφιβάλλω.

[ConJoined Thighs]

:lol: :lol: :lol: gamw :lol: :lol: :lol:

[freak brother]

[quote="freak brother":2d3x4ilo][quote="ConJoined Thighs":2d3x4ilo]Eidate thn nea ekpompi tou , to savvatovrado?Milame gia akraies katastaseis.
O tipos pou ligize koutalia theos,tous doulevei olous psilo gazi!Proskinw!
Pantws, o xardavelas einai kalos gia merikes wres ksegnasias kai afthonou geliou.psixagwgias.

o uri geller mporei na leei malakies.. alla den doulevei kanenan..
kai kaneis pote den apedeixe oti auta pou kanei einai trick[/quote:2d3x4ilo]

Kai mexri to Mesaiwna kaneis den eixe apodeiksei oti h Gh einai sfairikh, einai omws kai htan.

O Uri einai tsarlatanos.[/quote:2d3x4ilo]

LOL
prin apton mesaiwna omws to xerane :D

[Dragonlord]

ConJoined Thighs Ο ΟΡΘΟΛΟΓΙΣΜΟΣ ΘΑ ΘΡΙΑΜΒΕΥΣΕΙ ΦΙΛΑΡΑ!!!ΖΗΤΩ Η ΕΠΙΣΤΗΜΑ!!

[TheHeartcollector]

emena oute koutali ligise,oute pidikse katw apo tin tileorasi.Pistevw oti den ta kseroume ola gia tin iparksi mas,alla me kati tetoia GELAW

Afto akrivos

[Gabriel]

[quote="Gabriel_":3usb9y1k][quote="freak brother":3usb9y1k][quote="ConJoined Thighs":3usb9y1k]Eidate thn nea ekpompi tou , to savvatovrado?Milame gia akraies katastaseis.
O tipos pou ligize koutalia theos,tous doulevei olous psilo gazi!Proskinw!
Pantws, o xardavelas einai kalos gia merikes wres ksegnasias kai afthonou geliou.psixagwgias.

o uri geller mporei na leei malakies.. alla den doulevei kanenan..
kai kaneis pote den apedeixe oti auta pou kanei einai trick[/quote:3usb9y1k]

Kai mexri to Mesaiwna kaneis den eixe apodeiksei oti h Gh einai sfairikh, einai omws kai htan.

O Uri einai tsarlatanos.[/quote:3usb9y1k]

LOL
prin apton mesaiwna omws to xerane :D[/quote:3usb9y1k]

Oti o uri einai tsarlatanos?

[freak brother]

[quote="freak brother":14ck7q1e][quote="Gabriel_":14ck7q1e][quote="freak brother":14ck7q1e][quote="ConJoined Thighs":14ck7q1e]Eidate thn nea ekpompi tou , to savvatovrado?Milame gia akraies katastaseis.
O tipos pou ligize koutalia theos,tous doulevei olous psilo gazi!Proskinw!
Pantws, o xardavelas einai kalos gia merikes wres ksegnasias kai afthonou geliou.psixagwgias.

o uri geller mporei na leei malakies.. alla den doulevei kanenan..
kai kaneis pote den apedeixe oti auta pou kanei einai trick[/quote:14ck7q1e]

Kai mexri to Mesaiwna kaneis den eixe apodeiksei oti h Gh einai sfairikh, einai omws kai htan.

O Uri einai tsarlatanos.[/quote:14ck7q1e]




LOL
prin apton mesaiwna omws to xerane :D[/quote:14ck7q1e]

Oti o uri einai tsarlatanos?[/quote:14ck7q1e]

oti h gh einai stroggilh..
xers.. meta mphke o siwnistikos daktulos..
kai gamhthhke to thema..
gamhmenh mosad

[ManWhoSoldTheWorld]

Kai mexri to Mesaiwna kaneis den eixe apodeiksei oti h Gh einai sfairikh, einai omws kai htan.

hm afto borei na thewrithei san epixirima pou stirizei kai tis dio plevres kathoti borei se kapoia xronia na anakalifthei allilepidrasi kymatwn pou ekpempontai apo ton egkefalo kai lygisoyn to koutali i dekserwgwti.

[Gabriel]

Kai mexri to Mesaiwna kaneis den eixe apodeiksei oti h Gh einai sfairikh, einai omws kai htan.

hm afto borei na thewrithei san epixirima pou stirizei kai tis dio plevres kathoti borei se kapoia xronia na anakalifthei allilepidrasi kymatwn pou ekpempontai apo ton egkefalo kai lygisoyn to koutali i dekserwgwti.

Mporei.

Mporei kai na ftiaksoyme Infinite Improbability Drive kapoia mera...





























But I doubt it.

[Ramshackle Man]

O tipos pou ligize koutalia theos,tous doulevei olous psilo gazi!



Gnostos tsarlatanos stin Agglia kai kalos prosopikos filos tou Michael Jackson (ta lei ola afto to teleftaio :D ).

[ManWhoSoldTheWorld]

oi adekastoi er users.

[Dunadan Ranger]

mhn prospa8eite na to pai3ete anwteroi kai 8etikakai episthmonika katarthsmenoi me pramata pou den gnwrizete.
ayth h panepisthmiakh ka8hghtikh filosofia "oti pw egw einai o nomos oloi oi anapodeiktoi einai tsarlatanoi" prepei na fygei anepistrepth.
kapws etsi 3ekinaei siga siga to panepisthmiako ntabatziliki.

o geller den 3erw an einai tsarlatanos h kati allo.kai aporw me aytous pou perimenan na lygisei to koutali.
o an8rwpos to leei oti synh8ws kanei show.
ap thn allh einai gnwsto oti o geller exei ypostei test kai exei perasei apo ereynes se diafora panepisthmia kai oloi den 3eroun ti na apofan8oun gi ayton ton an8rwpo.
twra an einai mia karykatoura sthn agglia opou koroideyei ton kosmaki h an einai pragmati enas gamata thlepa8htikos kai den 3erw egw ti allo 8a parameinei mysthrio ka8ws 8a arghsoume para poly na anakalypsoume kati sxetika me ayta ta pragmata ...se shmeio pou na mhn ta anakalypsoume pote gia pollous kai diaforous logous.
pistepste oti goustarete alla kratate pisines ... kati pou den apodykneiete sthn pra3h de shmainei oti katariptetai apo gnwstes 8ewries.
mporeite gia paradeigma na brizete ton xardabella pou oti ekpomph kai na kanei eite me sobara h asobara 8emata kalei an8rwpous pou eite 8a arxisoun to kyrhgma yper tou 8eou eite 8a arxisoun na milane san paidakia 15 xronwn gia thn 8ewria twn biomagnhtikwn pediwn h 8a arxidoun na lene "eimai ka8hghths kyrie mou ..egw 3erw ap ayta"
ta 8emata tou xardabella kata ta alla prosferontan gia gamw tis syzhthseis an to panel eixe apopsh kai myalo enhlikwn.

[Dragonlord]

oriste me kanate na symfwnw me ton dunadan ranger.

[Gabriel]

mhn prospa8eite na to pai3ete anwteroi kai 8etikakai episthmonika katarthsmenoi me pramata pou den gnwrizete.
ayth h panepisthmiakh ka8hghtikh filosofia "oti pw egw einai o nomos oloi oi anapodeiktoi einai tsarlatanoi" prepei na fygei anepistrepth.
kapws etsi 3ekinaei siga siga to panepisthmiako ntabatziliki.

o geller den 3erw an einai tsarlatanos h kati allo.kai aporw me aytous pou perimenan na lygisei to koutali.
o an8rwpos to leei oti synh8ws kanei show.
ap thn allh einai gnwsto oti o geller exei ypostei test kai exei perasei apo ereynes se diafora panepisthmia kai oloi den 3eroun ti na apofan8oun gi ayton ton an8rwpo.
twra an einai mia karykatoura sthn agglia opou koroideyei ton kosmaki h an einai pragmati enas gamata thlepa8htikos kai den 3erw egw ti allo 8a parameinei mysthrio ka8ws 8a arghsoume para poly na anakalypsoume kati sxetika me ayta ta pragmata ...se shmeio pou na mhn ta anakalypsoume pote gia pollous kai diaforous logous.
pistepste oti goustarete alla kratate pisines ... kati pou den apodykneiete sthn pra3h de shmainei oti katariptetai apo gnwstes 8ewries.
mporeite gia paradeigma na brizete ton xardabella pou oti ekpomph kai na kanei eite me sobara h asobara 8emata kalei an8rwpous pou eite 8a arxisoun to kyrhgma yper tou 8eou eite 8a arxisoun na milane san paidakia 15 xronwn gia thn 8ewria twn biomagnhtikwn pediwn h 8a arxidoun na lene "eimai ka8hghths kyrie mou ..egw 3erw ap ayta"
ta 8emata tou xardabella kata ta alla prosferontan gia gamw tis syzhthseis an to panel eixe apopsh kai myalo enhlikwn.

Katse re DR! :) Mh les pragmata poy einai adika. Kaneis den arnhthhke kathgorimatika oti o Geller mporei na katexei mia poiothta poy na mhn einai dynato na entopistei. An deis se prohgoymena posts tha deis oti kaneis den to apokleiei. To "tsarlatanos" entopizetai oxi sto oti SIGOYRA emeis arnoymaste oti mporei oi ikanothtes toy na exoyn bash alla sto oti AYTOS panta xrhsimopoiei mia entelws emetikh, new-age, pseyto-siritual orologia gia na ekshghsei ta "xarismata" toy (me eisagwgika h' oxi, opws to protimas) ta opoia den einai dynato, akoma ki an ta exei, na mporei na ta ekshgei me tosh eykolia. An htan toso apla opws ta leei, tha lygizame oloi koytalia.

Twra, akoma kai oti lygizei SYNEXWS koytalia, de se gargalaei ligo? De se kanei na nomizeis oti thes na lytheis sta gelia? (ela, sobara asteia, omws :D). An kapoios mporoyse me kapoia morfh na epirreazei kapws (den kserw pws) tis idiothtes ths ylhs - estw kai mono twn metallwn - nomizeis oti tha periorize ta demonstrations toy sto na lygizei mxairophroyna????? O anthrwpos einai cult. Kai se parapempw sto thema peri cult gia na apofantheis an ayto einai kalo h' kako.

Kratame pisines, alla kratame kai mprostines.

[Dragonlord]

Χμ τι εξηγούσε ακριβώς;Εγώ θυμάμαι χαρακτηριστικά που έλεγε ότι ενώ παιδιά μπορούν να το κάνουν όταν είναι μαζί του,μετά δε μπορούν και δε μπορεί να το εξηγήσει κλπ.Βασικά τα γεγονότα περιέγραφε,δεν έδινε και τόσες εξηγήσεις-εκτός αν μου ξέφυγε κάτι.

[Dunadan Ranger]

o geler akribws den e3hgouse tipota apolytws.
elege aytos eimai eimai ena mysthrio kai kanw synh8ws show...kai nai gelaga kai egw otan eipe na baloume ta koutalia kai ta rologia na doulepsoun klp.

to 8ema einai allo.. o ka8enas mporei na leei oti 8elei kai na dhlwnei oti 8elei...apla epeidh prokeite gia ton sygkekrimeno an8rwpo egw den exw na pw kati sto 8ema tsarlatanismou ka8ws den ginete ne xei perasei apo toses ereynes kai na synexizei na kanei kapoio trick wste na 3egelaei tous pantes.
ouyte mporw na dextw oti exei ginei oloklhrh synomosia apo diaforous gia na bgazei o geler leftakia.
an htan opoiosdhpote allos pou 8a elege paparies peri e3wghinwn ,fantasmatwn,satanismou ,demonismou,8eou psyxhs pipas kolou klp wraia pou exei bgalei o xardabel stis ekpompes tou ana kairous 8a to antimetwpiza me to synh8ws xioumor pou antimetwpizw grafikous typous ala palmo pou einai pantognwstes ereynhtes kai exoun apopsh gia ola.(an kai o palmos exw thn entypwsh pws koroideyei ekousia ton kosmaki kai to yxaristietai kiola.)
oxi ton geler den ton 8ewrw tsarlatano taxydaktylourgo klp
ton 8ewrw ena mysthrio opws polla alla to opoio exei thn dosh yperbolhs tou apo thn pleyra tou gia ka8ara kerdoskopikous logous(kai kata th gnwmh mou kala kanei)
ps: ekei pou gelasa poly htan me tis psyxes twn xamenwn paidiwn pou gyrnane sto geler eite ws poulia h petaloudes sto spiti tou kai epikoinwnoun mazi tou.ayto nai ...ayto htan fthniariko show thleorashs.

[OrioN]

mhn prospa8eite na to pai3ete anwteroi kai 8etikakai episthmonika katarthsmenoi me pramata pou den gnwrizete.
ayth h panepisthmiakh ka8hghtikh filosofia "oti pw egw einai o nomos oloi oi anapodeiktoi einai tsarlatanoi" prepei na fygei anepistrepth.
kapws etsi 3ekinaei siga siga to panepisthmiako ntabatziliki.

o geller den 3erw an einai tsarlatanos h kati allo.kai aporw me aytous pou perimenan na lygisei to koutali.
o an8rwpos to leei oti synh8ws kanei show.
ap thn allh einai gnwsto oti o geller exei ypostei test kai exei perasei apo ereynes se diafora panepisthmia kai oloi den 3eroun ti na apofan8oun gi ayton ton an8rwpo.
twra an einai mia karykatoura sthn agglia opou koroideyei ton kosmaki h an einai pragmati enas gamata thlepa8htikos kai den 3erw egw ti allo 8a parameinei mysthrio ka8ws 8a arghsoume para poly na anakalypsoume kati sxetika me ayta ta pragmata ...se shmeio pou na mhn ta anakalypsoume pote gia pollous kai diaforous logous.
pistepste oti goustarete alla kratate pisines ... kati pou den apodykneiete sthn pra3h de shmainei oti katariptetai apo gnwstes 8ewries.
mporeite gia paradeigma na brizete ton xardabella pou oti ekpomph kai na kanei eite me sobara h asobara 8emata kalei an8rwpous pou eite 8a arxisoun to kyrhgma yper tou 8eou eite 8a arxisoun na milane san paidakia 15 xronwn gia thn 8ewria twn biomagnhtikwn pediwn h 8a arxidoun na lene "eimai ka8hghths kyrie mou ..egw 3erw ap ayta"
ta 8emata tou xardabella kata ta alla prosferontan gia gamw tis syzhthseis an to panel eixe apopsh kai myalo enhlikwn.

ntaks greeklish einai, alla afou diaxorizeis ta i,y,h grafe swsta an thes na thn peis 'logia' se kapoion. allios mila fysiologika, opws mporeis.

epishs esu o idios den fainesai na kratas kai polu pisinh se auta pou les...

[Carcass_]

H ekpomph tou Xardavela einai gia ton poutso kai akrws ekneuristikh. Oxi toso gia ta themata ths , alla :

Gia tou kalesmenous : oi 9,5 stous 10 petane treles malakies pou aporw pws tous afhnoun na kukloforoun akoma. Einai pragmatika epikundhnoi.
Gia thn parousiash twn thematwn : Skatas megalos. Den leei tpt apolutos , ektos apo to na pernei sunenteukseis apo diaforous kakomoirhdes oi opoioi apo thn allh lene tis dikes tous pipes.
Gia thn parousiash twn thematwn, vol 2. : Xrhsimopoiei symvanta gia na deiksei oti kati einai anekshghto alla einai toso ilithio pou oute ta gelia den mporeis na valeis. Px gia na apodeiksei oti ena spiti einai stoixeiwmeno, leei oti se "arketa merh tou spitiou eixe xamhlh thermokrasia ". Xesthke h forada st'alwni dld.
Epishs , oswn afora auta pou lete peri na kratame pisines klp. Pote den exei apodeixthei h thlepathia apo opoiadhpote episthmh. Opote ston mpoutsomaskavala. Kalutera na dhlwneis plhrh agnoia kai na apofeugeis na les ena karo malakies gia na uposthrikseis thn thesh auth, para na ginesai Xardavelas. Oswn afora tou " ti pisteuw oti uparxei" palistonmpoutsomas giati einai thema tou kathenos. Dioti an pisteuoume sthn thlepathia , prepei na pisteuoume kai sthn metensarkwsh, sthn metempsuxwsh, sto oti o Papandreou htan maswnos klp klp. Eseis dld kratagate pisinh otan evgene o Messias ( autos menei dipla sto spiti mou , sovara ) kai elege tis palavomares tou ? H opoion allon paromoio vghke sthn Ti-Vi.
Alla to gegonos to opoio kanei thn ekpomph tou Xardavela na einai PANTELWS GIA TON POUTSO einai oti exei valei polu to xeri tou o Giannoulakhs. Ntaks, ti allo na pw. To atomaki einia mhden, opws kai oi ekdoseis tou. KAi den milame gia proswpika pisteuw , alla gia to ti isxuei kai ti oxi. Kai anthrwpo o opoios leei oti se n+4 diastaseis tou xwrou kai tou xronou ( akoma den emathe oti den diaxwrizontai auta ) uparxoun ontothtes kai oti uphrkse o Abdul Al Hazrend kai to 730 sthn Damasko egrapse to Nekronomikon, mono misos mporei na kallierghsei.
An ta themata ths ekpomphs tou Xardavela ta eixe anavalei kapoios sovaros, opws ntokimanteristes px kana bbc ( exw dei theiko ntokimanter gia fantasmata h gia ufo ) h kamia ert tote nai, tha elega oti h ekpomph " exei kapoio endiaferwn".
H plaka einai oti polla apo auta ta fainomena exoun ekshgithei me polu aplous tropous... alla tha xasei o allos to pswmi tou ?
Kai kati teleutaio gia ton there-is-no-spoon matrix-man. Den eida ti ekane, den kserw , den gnwrizw. Alla kai o Houndini kapote htan gamhstero magos...twra pia exei meinei sthn istoria ws enas apo tous pio fantastikous showmen...
Pantws re pouysth mou, einai apisteuto ti ginetai se auto to planhth. Exoume gemisei me UFO, thlepathitikous where-is-ths-spoon-it-is-in-my-ass antrwpous, fantasmata, vampir, omades Epsilon kai C ( gia sumplhrwma me ta to faghto ) , opla tesla katw apo thn Akropolh, plasmata pou karadokoun gia na geutoun thn sarka mas, nekronomika apo oti ekdoseis thes kai oti allo goustarete gia ta opoia fusika h episthmh adunatei na dwsei mia episthmonikh ekshghsh ( alla mporei na pei giati isws o xwroxronos na einai kvantismenos px ) , kaneis den ta vlepei auta ( mono osoi kanoun ekpompes ) - alla oloi exoun apopsh gia auta kai ena swro alla pou makrainoun auto to oksumwro sxhma.
Ntaks, sthn skhnothesia ligo saspens kai musthrio den vlaptei pantws...

[Kain]

Εμένα το κουτάλι μου πήγε μόνο του στην κουζίνα και μπήκε στον νεροχύτη!!!!!

[pitchfork]

Εγώ είχα βγάλει το πουλί μου έξω και ήταν ίσιο αλλά μόλις είδα το χαρδαβέλλα μου λύγισε.
Θαύμα...
\m/

[Kingdom Gone]

XARDAVDELAS

[Dragonlord]

Epishs , oswn afora auta pou lete peri na kratame pisines klp. Pote den exei apodeixthei h thlepathia apo opoiadhpote episthmh. Opote ston mpoutsomaskavala.
Άμα όμως έχεις προσωπική εμπειρία στομπούτσοσουκαβάλα η επιστήμη

[Gabriel]

o geler akribws den e3hgouse tipota apolytws.
elege aytos eimai eimai ena mysthrio kai kanw synh8ws show...kai nai gelaga kai egw otan eipe na baloume ta koutalia kai ta rologia na doulepsoun klp.

Ton Geller mallon tha ton prwtoakoyses sto Xardabela.



to 8ema einai allo.. o ka8enas mporei na leei oti 8elei kai na dhlwnei oti 8elei...apla epeidh prokeite gia ton sygkekrimeno an8rwpo egw den exw na pw kati sto 8ema tsarlatanismou ka8wsden ginete ne xei perasei apo toses ereynes kai na synexizei na kanei kapoio trick wste na 3egelaei tous pantes.

Soy ksanalew. Allo o tsarlatanismos, allo oi ereynes. Kai ayto poy ebala se bolds, btw, einai pantelws akyro ws syllogismos. Les kai ta tests sta opoia ton ypebalan einai 100% error-proof. Kai egw otan blepw "magoys" na koboyne typisses se 22 kommatia den kserw pws to kanoyn, den amfibalw omws pote gia to oti einai trick.


ouyte mporw na dextw oti exei ginei oloklhrh synomosia apo diaforous gia na bgazei o geler leftakia.

Ayto einai to mono sigoyro.



oxi ton geler den ton 8ewrw tsarlatano taxydaktylourgo klp
ton 8ewrw ena mysthrio opws polla alla to opoio exei thn dosh yperbolhs tou apo thn pleyra tou gia ka8ara kerdoskopikous logous(kai kata th gnwmh mou kala kanei)

Mia xara. Apopsh soy ayto. :)


ps: ekei pou gelasa poly htan me tis psyxes twn xamenwn paidiwn pou gyrnane sto geler eite ws poulia h petaloudes sto spiti tou kai epikoinwnoun mazi tou.ayto nai ...ayto htan fthniariko show thleorashs.

Prwth fora to akoyw.

[Deggial]

Ο Μαύρος άνθρωπος, χοχοχο.

Κι ο ορθολογισμός δεν απορρίπτει τις θεωρίες περί μαγείας και τηλεπαθητικών δυνάμεων, ελλείψει απόδειξης της ανυπαρξίας τους. Ούτε ωστόσο τις ενισχύει, ελλείψει έστω και σοβαρών ενδείξεων. Αποτελούν απλώς μια πιθανότητα (πολύ μικρή, κατά τη γνώμη μου).

[ManWhoSoldTheWorld]

Ki omws file o pantazis kapote ekane erwta mazi sou me tilepathia.

[freak brother]

h episthmh ektos tou oti exei apodeixthei polles fores lathos.. kai ektos tou oti aposkopei kai se ulika agatha.. (vlepe erevnes apo farmakoviomhxanies etairies energeias klp)
kanei kai auth ypotheseis pou den exei na tis sthrixei se akradanta stoixeia.. alla tis kanei ..
auta

[freak brother]

Ki omws file o pantazis kapote ekane erwta mazi sou me tilepathia.

nai alla se enan kosmo mperdemeno olo astatheia panta..

[Deggial]

Από άρθρο του TIME magazine για τον Geller: "At first [1970] he was widely acclaimed; he came under suspicion when a group of psychologists and computer experts from Hebrew University duplicated all of his feats and called him a fraud. Eventually, he left the country in disgrace".

Επίσης, έχει τη βλακώδη συνήθεια να μηνύει όποιον τολμά να τον πει απατεώνα (ABC-TV, κ.α.) και έχει χάσει (προφανώς) όλες τις δίκες. Υπάρχει και μια ολόκληρη σειρά βιβλίων από ταχυδακτυλουργούς που δείχνουν πώς να κάνετε το τρικ για να λυγίζετε αντικείμενα.

[Gabriel]

h episthmh ektos tou oti exei apodeixthei polles fores lathos..

Apo thn idia, panta, kai mesw ths Episthmonikhs methodoy. To opoio einai eopithymhto, na kanei lathh. Mono oi thrhskeies "den kanoyn lathh".


kai ektos tou oti aposkopei kai se ulika agatha.. (vlepe erevnes apo farmakoviomhxanies etairies energeias klp)

Akyro ayto sta bolds opws to etheses: "H Episthmh aposkopei se yika agatha". Kapoioi episthmones mporei na kanoyn ereyna me skopo to kerdos. Allo to ena, allo to allo.



kanei kai auth ypotheseis pou den exei na tis sthrixei se akradanta stoixeia.. alla tis kanei ..
auta

Oi ypotheseis sthn Episthmh krinontai panta apo ta apotelesmata toys. An odhgoyn se theseis poy doylevoyn, tote pairnoyn aksia. Oi ypotheseis eks orismoy epitrepoyn mikra almata "pisths". Gi'ayto tis lene ypotheseis.

[Carcass_]

Άμα όμως έχεις προσωπική εμπειρία στομπούτσοσουκαβάλα η επιστήμη

Panta perimena oti tha exeis sxesh me to anekshghto, pantws :-)

[ConJoined Thighs]

h episthmh ektos tou oti exei apodeixthei polles fores lathos.. kai ektos tou oti aposkopei kai se ulika agatha.. (vlepe erevnes apo farmakoviomhxanies etairies energeias klp)
kanei kai auth ypotheseis pou den exei na tis sthrixei se akradanta stoixeia.. alla tis kanei ..
auta

Loipon...I episthmh den exei apodextei lathos.Apo thn stigmh pou 1+1=2,oti exei apodeixthei mathimatika isxxi.to thema einai allou:
Stis arxes tou aiwna,pou o kimatosomatidiakos diismos ths ilis den eixe kan perasei apo ta miala twn episthmwnw tote,oloi elegan oti i fisiki ws episthmh exei korestei.Irthe omws o alvertos...kai meta apo afto o anthropos pige sto diasthma ktl ktl
Ti ennoo?Oles oi apodedigmenes thewries(kai oxi apla oi thewries,pou simfwnw oti exoun apodeixthei apeires lathos) veltiononte,anavathmizonte,dDEN katariptonte. :wink:
Oso gia ta ylika agatha,episthmh den einai mono to marketing kai i iatriki.Pote den tha piaseis ena quark sta xeria sou,ma tha ksereis ta panta giafto , kai os sinepagwgi kapote tha matheis polla (ews,isws kapote kai ta panta) gia thn iparksi sou.
Ti kalitero "lipasma" apo afto,gia thn psixi?

[BlackMetal]

KOPRIA i guess

[Dunadan Ranger]

gabriel


1) ton eixa 3anakousei ton geller ...exw 3anakanei syzhthsh paliotera gia ton typo
2) den eipa oti o geller mporei na mhn einai tsarlatanos...mporei kai na einai...apla dyskoleyomai na pistepsw oti einai MONO tsarlatanos opws polloi alloi pou einai of8almofanestata.allwste paradexthka to oti o an8rwpos to kanei bioporistika kai gia ta money.
isws na einai toso peistikos apo thn allh
3) o logos pou postara htan oi ka8etes apopseis tis 1hs selidas apo merikous pou opws eipa 8ymizoun to ntabatzilikh ka8hghtwn panepisthmiou"son of gamaw kiets"
4) ta peri psyxwn kai nekrwn paidiwn pou epikoinwnoune ta eipe meta th fash me ta koutalia an 8ymamai kala otan o xardabel ton rwthse an epikoinwnei me to ypeperan kai tetoia perierga.profanws htan h wra gia showtime kai to ekmetaleythke deontos

[Carcass_]

Telika , sth shmerinh koinwnia polloi anthrwpoi den exoun mathei akoma na diavazoun...

[saiko]

XALARWSTE KAI............



















































































APOLAYSTE YPEYTHINA
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[ManWhoSoldTheWorld]

ena kokkino x?

[Chopped In Half]

προσπάθησε να το καταπιείς και θα καταλάβεις τι εννοούσε 'υπεύθυνα'.

[freak brother]

oti nai na lene merikoi.. h diaisthhsth yparxei.. kai kaneis den mporei na thn exhghsei..
pws ginete h mana mou na xupnaei to prwi kai na mou leei oti kati exei ginei sto tade atomo...klp kai meta apo 10 lepta na pernei thlefwno kai ontws na xei tuxei kati...

sumptwsh?
exei sumvei se apeiro kosmo ... as vaftizoume ta panta sumptwsh tote :D
alla sumptwsh epanalamvanomenh pavei na einai sumptwsh :p

[Deggial]

oti nai na lene merikoi.. h diaisthhsth yparxei.. kai kaneis den mporei na thn exhghsei..
pws ginete h mana mou na xupnaei to prwi kai na mou leei oti kati exei ginei sto tade atomo...klp kai meta apo 10 lepta na pernei thlefwno kai ontws na xei tuxei kati...

sumptwsh?
exei sumvei se apeiro kosmo ... as vaftizoume ta panta sumptwsh tote :D
alla sumptwsh epanalamvanomenh pavei na einai sumptwsh :p

Σε κάθε περίπτωση, είναι βλακώδες να δίνεται βάση σε tricksters όπως τον Geller ή τον Edwards.

[RagSoul]

Eidate thn nea ekpompi tou , to savvatovrado?Milame gia akraies katastaseis.
O tipos pou ligize koutalia theos,tous doulevei olous psilo gazi!Proskinw!
Pantws, o xardavelas einai kalos gia merikes wres ksegnasias kai afthonou geliou.psixagwgias.

Mia filh mou iithele na to kanei ekeino me to koutali. :)
Den to ekane leei, giati fovotane :P
Eleos!!, pws sas douleuoune shmera re :P

[Deggial]

Υπάρχει ένα βιβλίο του James "The Amazing" Randi που εξηγεί πώς γίνεται, "The Truth About Uri Geller". Οπότε μπορείς να πεις στη φίλη σου να το αγοράσει απ'το Amazon.co.uk

[RagSoul]

Mpa den leei :? Tha thn valw myalo kalytera.
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0879751991.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Chopped In Half]

για να φάμε την αλήθεια με το κουτάλι.

[Carcass_]

oti nai na lene merikoi.. h diaisthhsth yparxei.. kai kaneis den mporei na thn exhghsei..
pws ginete h mana mou na xupnaei to prwi kai na mou leei oti kati exei ginei sto tade atomo...klp kai meta apo 10 lepta na pernei thlefwno kai ontws na xei tuxei kati...

sumptwsh?
exei sumvei se apeiro kosmo ... as vaftizoume ta panta sumptwsh tote :D
alla sumptwsh epanalamvanomenh pavei na einai sumptwsh :p


Thn ennoia pithanothta kai ti sumvolizei eimai 100% sigouros pws den thn ksereis. Katholou omws. milwntas gia mathimatika...
Kai mhn apanthseis me vash thn diaisthish sou h peri apopsews peri episthmhs kai ta tiauta. Pisteuw na katalavaineis ti lew.

[Carcass_]

+ to na milamw gia tetoia fainomena apo th stigmh pou den kseroume pws skata leitourgei o anthrwpinos egkefalos einai teleiws atopo. Kai sigoura h diesthhsh tou ti paizei h ta "pisteuw oti " den odhgoun se kamia alitheia. Opote, analoga me to ti eidous fantasia kai se ti pososto thn diathetei o kathenas....

[Carcass_]

valte thn idia panw katw thematologia se mia sovarh ntokimanteristikh ekpomph me sovarous anthrwpous ( me epixeirhmata pou na einai epixeirhmata, me apopseis pou exoun kuros kai vathos ) kai oxi to kathe apovrasma ths koinwnias pou exei paei ekei gia na kanei allous anthrwpous na autoktonhsoun me ta theika pou leei kai tha exoume ena teleiws diaforetiko apotelesma. Alla apo thn allh, an skeftoume ti shmainei shmerinh ellhnikh thleorash...

[ConJoined Thighs]

valte thn idia panw katw thematologia se mia sovarh ntokimanteristikh ekpomph me sovarous anthrwpous ( me epixeirhmata pou na einai epixeirhmata, me apopseis pou exoun kuros kai vathos ) kai oxi to kathe apovrasma ths koinwnias pou exei paei ekei gia na kanei allous anthrwpous na autoktonhsoun me ta theika pou leei kai tha exoume ena teleiws diaforetiko apotelesma. Alla apo thn allh, an skeftoume ti shmainei shmerinh ellhnikh thleorash...

:thumbsup:

[Carcass_]

As a public service, I notified both Channel 10 and Dr. Utts of James Randi's challenge: $1,000,000 to anyone who can prove he or she has psychic powers. I don't think a heartfelt testimonial from Dr. Utts or Mr. McMoneagle will qualify. As far as I know, the Randi money is still unclaimed.

[ConJoined Thighs]

Eixe kai opses xardavela me ton URI sto studio, o opoios ekane tis magies tou live.
To asteio tis ipothesis einai oti 2 gnwstoi mou ligisan koutalia kai klidia
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:!:

[Carcass_]

ontws ta lugisan ? Tote giati den pane gia ta fragka ?

[ConJoined Thighs]

malaka,ontws ta ligisan.

Idietera to xontro kleidi asfaleias lygismeno,mia leptokamomenh kopela den tha mporouse me tipota na to ligisei manually

[Carcass_]

Psaxnwntas sto net vrhka polla kaka pragmata gia ton uri geller, opws px to posa lefta exei plhrwsei se diafores dikes pou exei xasei, polles anafores sto " pws kanei ta magika tou kolpa " kai mia periptwsh opou vrhkan vinteokasseta meta apo show kai eidane ta "taxudaktilourgika " tou.


URI GELLER CAUGHT RED-HANDED!
For the first time, a film clearly shows the famous spoon-bender using trickery
Many have already said that Uri Geller, the Israely self-proclaimed psychic, famous for his ability to bend spoons apparently with the power of his mind, uses trickery to perform his wonders. Never before, however, had happened that he could be clearly seen using trickery in the recording of a tv show. Today, the finding of a videotape containing a participation by Geller to an Italian Tv show documents inequivocably his recurring to fraud.

Massimo Polidoro, one of the founders of CICAP (the Italian Committee for the Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal)* and an expert in psychic-deception, found the tape. ''I was researching material for my book Mysteries'', Polidoro explains, ''when I found the recording of an episode from a few years back (March 18, 1989) of 'Alla ricerca dell'arca' (Search for the Ark), a tv show then airing on RAI3. Guest on this episode was Uri Geller who, as usual, demonstrated his claimed powers by bending a key and moving the hands of a watch ''with his mind'', as he said. However, if one looks carefully to the recording of the show one can catch various clues that show how Geller did really perform the demonstrations: for example, Geller can be seen taking out the stem of the watch to move its hands, myabe thinking that the move went unnoticed''.

It's the first time that Geller, who has always stated that he has never used any trickery, is so clearly caught red-handed on tape. It's surprising, however, that nobody had ever noticed before this damning evidence. "This, instead, shouldn't come as a surprise", Polidoro explains. "At Padua's University we have conducted experiments which demonstrate this precise fact: it is not possible for somebody to catch a trick behind a claimed psychic demonstration if he has no specific training in how tricks of this kind work. It's not a question of intelligence but, as I say, of knowledge. In fact, it has happened many times that scientists have been duped by psychics or mediums just because they couldn't figure out their tricks. In the Geller tape, for example, it is not so obvious how he bends the key or moves the hands of the watch, but a trained eye can catch the crucial moments where he appears to use a second key to bend the first one and where he pops out the stem of the watch to move the hands of it with a finger".

A detailed analysis of the tape, along with telling pictures, will be published in ''Scienza & Paranormale'', the journal of CICAP (article and pictures, however, are available in pre-view to journalists requiring them).

CICAP (the Italian Committee for the Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal) is a scientific organization founded by Italian journalist Piero Angela and joined by many Italian scientists and intellectuals, among them: Silvio Garattini (neuropharmacologist, Director "Mario Negri Institute", Milan), Margherita Hack (astrophysicist, University of Trieste), Giuliano Toraldo di Francia (physicist, Firenze University), Nobel Prize winners Rita Levi Montalcini and Carlo Rubbia and writer and sociologist Umberto Eco.


Gia auto rwtaw, ontws ta lugisan ? H nomizan oti ta lugisan ? Uparxei kai to fainomeno ths afthipovolhs, eurews gnwsto kai diadedomeno ston anthrwpo shmera. Yparxei vevaia kai to fainomeno " vazw perissoterh dunamh sto koutali ". To gegonos oti o anthrwpos " den exei leuko poiniko mitroo , me diaolizei akoma perissotero. Einai polu periergo to gegonos oti molis irthe autos o anthrwpos edw, ksafnika emfanistikan polloi pou lene " nai , kai egw lugisa koutali ". Eprepe auto na ginei mono xtes , pou htan o uri geller sto studio tou Alpha ? Toso kairo pou htan krummena ola auta ta psychics me tis foveres psuxikes dunameis ? Dioti einai kai polla se arithmo. H an den htan autoi, pou htan toso kairo krummenh olh auth h energeia ? Mono xtes egine auto to megalo mpam ? Epeidh eipane oloi mazi " ena , duo , tria doulepse " ? An me to ena, duo , tria -doulepse ginonte ola auta ta pragmata, tote tha einai katapliktiko. Toulaxiston den tha perilamvanei rombes, skalismata, zwgrafikes kai alles magikes teletourgies. Eseis pou kserete atoma pou lugisan koutalia, na ta entharinete na vgoun kai na to apodeiksoun. Dioti an to apodeiksoun, tha dhmiourghsoun mia nea epoxh skepshs kai episthmonikhs gnwshs. Dioti to na les apo ton kanape tou spitiou sou se allous " lugisa to koutali " mexri na to apodeikseis ( me opoiodhpote tropo ) , uparxei ena xasma apeirwn etwn fwtos. Kai sigoura, einai pio eukolo na to les apo ton kanape sou. Dioti o Uri geller exei vgei kai se ekpomph sto ekswteriko, mhn mporwntas na kanei tis magies tou, legwntas gia thn polu arnhtikh energeia pou vriskotan trigurw ( an kai uphrxan upopsies oti o kurios Randi me kapoion ths paragwghs tou allaksane to koutali pou tha xrhsimopoiouse ).
Tespa, den exei nohma na grapsw alla, hdh egrapsa polla, merika apo auta isws kai xwris nohma mias kai einai skorpies skepseis kai erwthmata. Den prospathw na apodeiksw kapoia thesh, dioti dhlwnw agnoia.


Ps. Pantws telika apo auth thn upothesh , polloi anakalupsan poso euligista einai ta mikra koutalakia tou glukou. Thn epomenh fora parte apo koutali soupas kai panw.

[Carcass_]

2.1: Is Uri Geller for real?
James "The Amazing" Randi has, through various demonstrations, cast doubt on Geller's claims of psychic powers. Geller has sued Randi. This case has now been completed, and Geller has lost. However Skeptics are still advised to exercise extreme caution in addressing this topic, given Geller's history of litigation.

One of Geller's more (in)famous claims is that he has made millions by finding oil. The following was posted by James Randi on this subject:


Geller SAYS that he has made fortunes with mining companies. When CSICOP checked this out, it was found that only one mining company, ZANEX, ever paid Geller, and that was far far less than the million dollars he says he got from 11 mining companies. Dont always believe everything that he claims, or didn't you learn that already?
Geller's stage appearances feature a range of stage magic. For more details on how he does his tricks, read books by James Randi, especially "The Truth About Uri Geller". Here are some hilights:

* "Broken" watches are often just gummed up. Warm it, shake it, and it will start ticking. Whether it carries on ticking or keeps good time is another matter.

* Spoon bending is usually done by misdirection. Get everyone to look away while you bend the spoon. Geller has even been known to hold up a bent spoon and say "its bending, its bending" while gradually revealing more of the bend between his fingers.

In a global agreement to the law suits involving James Randi, CSICOP, Prometheus Books, Victor Stenger, Prometheus Books UK and Eddington Hook Ltd. Uri Geller agreed to pay CSICOP $120,000. (He had already paid Prometheus Books around $20,000 in legal fees for a case in Florida.)

In The Skeptical Inquirer for May/June 1995 it was reported that Uri Geller had paid the first $40,000 of the $120,000. He will pay $10,000 a year for three years plus the first $50,000 of any sums recovered by him in a new action he was to bring against his former attorneys.

CSICOP settled for less than the $150,000 awarded to them by the court. Executive Director Barry Karr said: "Prior to filing suit, Geller, an Israeli citizen living in England, placed his assets in trust, rendering uncertain our ability to collect."

2.2: I have had a psychic experience.

That is pretty remarkable. But before you post to the Net, consider:-


Could it just be coincidence? The human mind is good at remembering odd things but tends to forget ordinary things, such as premonitions that didn't happen. If psychic experiences happen to you on a regular basis then try writing down the premonitions when you have them and then comparing your record to later events.

If you think you have a mental link with someone you know, try a few tests with playing cards.
Until 1996, I had suggested the following:


If you are receiving messages from elsewhere (e.g. UFOs), ask for specific information that you can then check.
Previous versions of this FAQ suggested the complete prime factorisation of 2^1024+1. However we now know the factors of this number.
If you want to make a formal registration of your predictions, send mail to .

There is a book by Prof Robert Morris and Dr Richard Wiseman called Guidelines for Testing Psychic Claimants. University of Hertfordshire Press, 1995, pp 72, stlg7 pbk

[Carcass_]

Ayta lugisan mprosta sou ? To eides dld ?
An htan toso emfanes, na vgei h kopela kai na paei se kapoio episthmoniko idruma. Entharune thn. Sovara.
Na vgei kai na deiksei to fovero auto epiteugma , mias kai den mporoun polloi na to kanoun.

[Carcass_]

se apanthsh gia to ti tha mporouse na kanei mia leptokammomenh kopela, sigoura den tha mporouse na to lugisei monh ths alla tha mporouse na to thermanei kai na to lugisei meta. Xwris na lew oti to ekane, afou den mporw na kserw.

[StationEleven]

maurh mageia?

[freak brother]

maurh mageia?

mavrh mayoneza

[StationEleven]

MENTORES

[Dunadan Ranger]

MANTOLES?

[The_Painless]

Πουστράκια.

[psychotron]

:mouse:

[ConJoined Thighs]

se apanthsh gia to ti tha mporouse na kanei mia leptokammomenh kopela, sigoura den tha mporouse na to lugisei monh ths alla tha mporouse na to thermanei kai na to lugisei meta. Xwris na lew oti to ekane, afou den mporw na kserw.

1)Mhn kaneis 300 posts seri,ena ftanei

2) H kopela apla totripse me to daxtilo tis.Trexa gyreve,egw to vriska apistefta diaskedastiko na trigirnaw sthn geitonia mou kai na vgenoune oi kirades sta mpalkonia na lene oti ligisane koutalia pirounia ktl ktl.

[The_Painless]

Κι αυτό καύλωσε;

[ConJoined Thighs]

Κι αυτό καύλωσε;

ouf...ayto to asteio itan pio ilithio kai apo to xamogelo tou tipou sto avatar sou :P

[The_Painless]

Το χαμόγελο είναι πολύ ωραίο. Το αστείο ήταν ηλίθιο ιντίντ αλλά ας μην το κάνουμε θέμα :(

[Kain]

Εμένα γιατί μου φέρνει σε έναν απο το τους Hanson?

[Dragonlord]

Υπάρχει ένα βιβλίο του James "The Amazing" Randi που εξηγεί πώς γίνεται, "The Truth About Uri Geller". Οπότε μπορείς να πεις στη φίλη σου να το αγοράσει απ'το Amazon.co.uk
Υπάρχει στο σπίτι μου ένα λυγισμένο κουτάλι από την τελευταία εκπομπή.Οπότε μπορείς να πεις του φίλου σου του James "The Amazing" Randi να το βάλει στον κώλο του.

[Axeman]

egw xerw oti o kathe tsarlatanos vriskei ena kolpo to parousiazei kai xaraktirizetai pnevmatistis ktl apo ta provata tis kathe xoras...OUST

[Deggial]

Υπάρχει ένα βιβλίο του James "The Amazing" Randi που εξηγεί πώς γίνεται, "The Truth About Uri Geller". Οπότε μπορείς να πεις στη φίλη σου να το αγοράσει απ'το Amazon.co.uk
Υπάρχει στο σπίτι μου ένα λυγισμένο κουτάλι από την τελευταία εκπομπή.Οπότε μπορείς να πεις του φίλου σου του James "The Amazing" Randi να το βάλει στον κώλο του.

Δεν αρνήθηκα πως είναι εφικτό. Αλλά πρόκειται απλά για ταχυδακτυλουρικό τρικ και τουλάχιστον μερικοί έχουν τα κότσια να παραδεχθούν πως είναι ταχυδακτυλουργοί και δε πουλάνε παραμύθια για μεταφυσικές ικανότητες.

[freak brother]

Υπάρχει ένα βιβλίο του James "The Amazing" Randi που εξηγεί πώς γίνεται, "The Truth About Uri Geller". Οπότε μπορείς να πεις στη φίλη σου να το αγοράσει απ'το Amazon.co.uk
Υπάρχει στο σπίτι μου ένα λυγισμένο κουτάλι από την τελευταία εκπομπή.Οπότε μπορείς να πεις του φίλου σου του James "The Amazing" Randi να το βάλει στον κώλο του.

Δεν αρνήθηκα πως είναι εφικτό. Αλλά πρόκειται απλά για ταχυδακτυλουρικό τρικ και τουλάχιστον μερικοί έχουν τα κότσια να παραδεχθούν πως είναι ταχυδακτυλουργοί και δε πουλάνε παραμύθια για μεταφυσικές ικανότητες.

exm kai h kopela tou dragonlord dld einai taxuydaktulourgos kai tou to kruvei?

[eRaseR]

mia pi8anh ejhghsh tou fainomenou einai h ejhs (den einai dikia mou apopsh,tou fysikou mou-vsk den jerw an eipw8hke kai sthn ekpomph tou triantafyllopoulou) :

O typos aftos borei na exei panw tou kapoia mikrh syskevh pou o 8eaths den vlepei,h opoia paragei hlektromagnhtika kymata,ta opoia stelnei sto sygkekrimeno meros tou koutaliou,me apotelesma na to 8ermainoun/dunno kai na borei meta aftos na to lygizei. Afta ta kymata pali,mesw tou shmatos ths thleorashs,ftanoun kai ston thle8eath,wste ginetai to magiko kai mes sto saloni tou.

Vevaia den exw idea pws einai dynaton na ginei to teleftaio... oute jerw arketh fysikh wste na boresw na krinw thn alh8eia ths ypo8eshs afths..
anyway, poly gelio eixe o phrynikos fysikos sto makh :rofl: h apanthsh tou gia to kourdisto roloi htan o,ti na'nai :P

[Raven Lord]

Afta ta kymata pali,mesw tou shmatos ths thleorashs,ftanoun kai ston thle8eath,wste ginetai to magiko kai mes sto saloni tou.


ψιλοαπίθανο μου φαίνεται... :?

[Carcass_]

Pf ti suzhtame pali re paidia, eleos ...

O Copperfield, gia osous ton kserete, eksafanizei trena kai agalmata ( sugkekrimena to agalma ths eleutherias ) kai o tupos pote den vghke na pei oti exei magikes idiothtes. To leei o anthrwpos pws einai taxudaktulourgos. Kai ta grafw ta koutalia sta paparia mou otan atomaki eksafanizei to agalma ths eleutherias. . kai -.
O idios o Katsaros vghke kai eipe oti otan ton kalousan ton geller, ekeinos den phgene. Phge mono se sugkekrimenous episthmones, afou eixe epikalestei kati pipes gia arnhtikes skepseis klp ( san ton satherland sto kelly's heroes ena pragma dld ).
Den kakologw kanena PAno. Oute eimai se thesh na vgalw to lugismeno koutali pou exei sto spiti sou pseutiko. Den kserw, den milaw ( gia thn sugkekrimenh fash, o geller einai apatewnas, apodedeigmena ).
Alla opws sou exw pei, h logikh tou pisteue kai mh ereuna, den odhgei profanws pouthena. Antitheta h logikh tou pisteue kai mh, ereuna sigoura tha se kanei na vgaleis kapoia akrh.
Kai epeidh sunexeia ton teleutaio kairo olo kai kapoios petagetai kai leei " nai alla enas filos mou to lugise " kai epeidh to lene kai polu auto, mporeite na to apodeiksete se kapoio kentro ereunwn, mias kai milame gia ena zhthma to opoio sigoura tha allaksei tis zwes mas...

Kai gia na mhn petaxtei kaneis kai petaksei kamia pipa tou stul " nai alla den ksereis ti pososto xrhsimopoieis apo ton egkefalo sou " kai alla tetoia
parte kai to link gia thn apomuthopoihsh tou % tou egkefalou :
http://www.sciam.com/askexpert_question.cfm?articleID=000B077E-AD46-1047-AD46834%2014B7F0000&catID=3&topicID=3

Ps. Pantws osous kserete pou to kanane , ta lefta pou dinei o Randi isxuoun akoma e . An ta parei kai kaneis, peite to mas plz.

[Carcass_]

Peite kai se emas ti egine ston makh.

[ConJoined Thighs]

mia pi8anh ejhghsh tou fainomenou einai h ejhs (den einai dikia mou apopsh,tou fysikou mou-vsk den jerw an eipw8hke kai sthn ekpomph tou triantafyllopoulou) :

O typos aftos borei na exei panw tou kapoia mikrh syskevh pou o 8eaths den vlepei,h opoia paragei hlektromagnhtika kymata,ta opoia stelnei sto sygkekrimeno meros tou koutaliou,me apotelesma na to 8ermainoun/dunno kai na borei meta aftos na to lygizei. Afta ta kymata pali,mesw tou shmatos ths thleorashs,ftanoun kai ston thle8eath,wste ginetai to magiko kai mes sto saloni tou.

Vevaia den exw idea pws einai dynaton na ginei to teleftaio... oute jerw arketh fysikh wste na boresw na krinw thn alh8eia ths ypo8eshs afths..
anyway, poly gelio eixe o phrynikos fysikos sto makh :rofl: h apanthsh tou gia to kourdisto roloi htan o,ti na'nai :P



As afisoume sthn akrh tis pithanes eksigisis pou dinei o kathe tixarpastos pou thelei na to peksei kai mentoras (exw sinantisi 1002) kai ase tous peiramatikous na kanoun thn douleia tous kai na ftasoun se simperasmata tekmhriwmena .
akou ekei pompous pou stelnoun sima mesw tis tileorasis ston tiletheati :rofl: :rofl:

Oso gia tous malakopitoures pou pigane stou maki gia na eirwneftoune,ekmetalevomenoi thn akadimaiki tous thesi,tote NTROPI TOUS

Afou o skopos tou episthmona einai na erevnaei,giati den kanei afthn thn douleia?H Mhpws den kserei?

[Carcass_]

Afou o skopos tou episthmona einai na erevnaei,giati den kanei afthn thn douleia?H Mhpws den kserei?

Kala epeidh grafei " fusikos tade " apo katw den shmainei oti einai kai episthmonas. O monos pou vghke kai milhse sovara htan o Katsaros. Apo osa akousa dld. Twra gia makh klp den kserw, gia auto rwtaw kiolas. Peite mas kai emas plz ti skata eipane .

[Axeman]

goustarw exigisi eRaseR :wink:

[ConJoined Thighs]

[quote="ConJoined Thighs":35zvswwt]Afou o skopos tou episthmona einai na erevnaei,giati den kanei afthn thn douleia?H Mhpws den kserei?

Kala epeidh grafei " fusikos tade " apo katw den shmainei oti einai kai episthmonas. O monos pou vghke kai milhse sovara htan o Katsaros. Apo osa akousa dld. Twra gia makh klp den kserw, gia auto rwtaw kiolas. Peite mas kai emas plz ti skata eipane .[/quote:35zvswwt]

Tipota to mi anamenomeno mwre. Opou episthmonas=papas kai,opou thriskia=episthmh

[Dragonlord]

Υπάρχει ένα βιβλίο του James "The Amazing" Randi που εξηγεί πώς γίνεται, "The Truth About Uri Geller". Οπότε μπορείς να πεις στη φίλη σου να το αγοράσει απ'το Amazon.co.uk
Υπάρχει στο σπίτι μου ένα λυγισμένο κουτάλι από την τελευταία εκπομπή.Οπότε μπορείς να πεις του φίλου σου του James "The Amazing" Randi να το βάλει στον κώλο του.

Δεν αρνήθηκα πως είναι εφικτό. Αλλά πρόκειται απλά για ταχυδακτυλουρικό τρικ και τουλάχιστον μερικοί έχουν τα κότσια να παραδεχθούν πως είναι ταχυδακτυλουργοί και δε πουλάνε παραμύθια για μεταφυσικές ικανότητες.
Ορίστε;;Εγώ σου λέω ότι λύγισε στο σπίτι μου κουτάλι κατά τη διάρκεια της εκπομπής.Τι ταχυδακτυλουργικό τρικ,τι συσκευές κρυμμένες,ο καθένας εδώ μέσα λέει τη μπούρδα του για να μη δεχτεί το αυτονόητο και καταρρεύσει η κοσμοθεωρία του

[Carcass_]

katse re Pano, hremhse kai esu. Poio autonohto ? Les kai sunevei se olous mas kai einai toso pasifanes. Arakse. Esu eisai h meiopshfia, ara den uparxei kanena autonohto. To paradokso einai auto pou les esu.
Afou loipon lugises koutali, meta xaras tha ithela na mou deikseis kai pws to ekanes. Sovara milaw, xwris ixnos eirwnias.

[jimid]

Υπάρχει ένα βιβλίο του James "The Amazing" Randi που εξηγεί πώς γίνεται, "The Truth About Uri Geller". Οπότε μπορείς να πεις στη φίλη σου να το αγοράσει απ'το Amazon.co.uk
Υπάρχει στο σπίτι μου ένα λυγισμένο κουτάλι από την τελευταία εκπομπή.Οπότε μπορείς να πεις του φίλου σου του James "The Amazing" Randi να το βάλει στον κώλο του.

Δεν αρνήθηκα πως είναι εφικτό. Αλλά πρόκειται απλά για ταχυδακτυλουρικό τρικ και τουλάχιστον μερικοί έχουν τα κότσια να παραδεχθούν πως είναι ταχυδακτυλουργοί και δε πουλάνε παραμύθια για μεταφυσικές ικανότητες.
Ορίστε;;Εγώ σου λέω ότι λύγισε στο σπίτι μου κουτάλι κατά τη διάρκεια της εκπομπής.Τι ταχυδακτυλουργικό τρικ,τι συσκευές κρυμμένες,ο καθένας εδώ μέσα λέει τη μπούρδα του για να μη δεχτεί το αυτονόητο και καταρρεύσει η κοσμοθεωρία του

Post pix of the spoon plz!

/me apistos thwmas

[ConJoined Thighs]

Kai pou tha postarei ti egine???
Live na to kanei.

[Dragonlord]

@Κάρκα:δεν έγινε σε μένα,πάντως το έκανε όπως έλεγαν στην εκπομπή.Το κράταγε,το έτριβε και σε κάποια φάση άρχισε να λυγίζει.Το πέταξε επειδή τρόμαξε κι αυτό συνέχισε να λυγίζει για 4-5 δευτερόλεπτα μόνο του πάνω στο τραπέζι.
@Τζίμιντ:είναι ένα λυγισμένο κουτάλι.Παίζει και να το ισιώσαμε για να φάμε.

[Carcass_]

A, mou dwthike apla h entupwsh oti milages gia sena. Sori then.
Tote eipa ti pisteuw oti prepei na ginei, to egrapsa sto parapanw post mou. Den exw na pw kati allo epi tou thematos.

[Carcass_]

Einai ligo off topic apo thn mia, alla pianei pio genika to olo thema. To vrhka para polu endiaferon opote to kanw copy/paste. An exete oreksh, kathiste kai diavaste to giati aksizei.


Me aformh thn syzhthsh gia ton Uri Geller kai kapoies apopseis poy eida ekei para8eto to poly endiaferon keimeno apo mia dialeksh toy Imre Lakatos.



Science and Pseudoscience (transcript)

[NB The following transcript of the talk contains additional passages that Lakatos subsequently included in the text version of his talk published in Philosophy in the Open and in The Methodology of Scientific Research Programmes: Philosophical Papers Volume 1. They are highlighted in italics within square brackets. Other passages he omitted from the published text are emboldened.]

Man's respect for knowledge is one of his most peculiar characteristics. Knowledge in Latin is scientia, and science came to be the name of the most respectable kind of knowledge. But what distinguishes knowledge from superstition, ideology or pseudoscience? The Catholic Church excommunicated Copernicans, the Communist Party persecuted Mendelians on the ground that their doctrines were pseudoscientific. But then the problem of the demarcation between science and pseudoscience is not merely a problem of armchair philosophy: it is of vital social and political relevance.

Many philosophers have tried to solve the problem of demarcation in the following terms: a statement constitutes knowledge if sufficiently many people believe it sufficiently strongly. But the history of thought shows us that many people were totally committed to absurd beliefs. If the strengths of beliefs were a hallmark of knowledge, we should have to rank some tales about demons, angels, devils, and of heaven and hell as knowledge. Scientists, on the other hand, are very sceptical even of their best theories. Newton's is the most powerful theory science has yet produced, but Newton himself never believed that bodies attract each other at a distance. So no degree of commitment to beliefs makes them knowledge. Indeed, the hallmark of scientific behaviour is a certain scepticism even towards one's most cherished theories. Blind commitment to a theory is not an intellectual virtue: it is an intellectual crime.

Thus a statement may be pseudoscientific even if it is eminently 'plausible' and everybody believes in it, and it may be scientifically valuable even if it is unbelievable and nobody believes in it. A theory may even be of supreme scientific value even if no one understands it, let alone believes in it.

The cognitive value of a theory has nothing to do with its psychological influence on people's minds. Belief, commitment, understanding are states of the human mind. But the objective, scientific value of a theory is independent of the human mind which creates it or understands it. Its scientific value depends only on what objective support these conjectures have in facts. As Hume said:

If we take in our hand any volume; of divinity, or school metaphysics, for instance; let us ask, does it contain any abstract reasoning concerning quantity or number? No. Does it contain any experimental reasoning concerning matter of fact and existence? No. Commit it then to the flames. For it can contain nothing but sophistry and illusion.

But what exactly is 'experimental' reasoning? [If we look at the vast seventeenth-century literature on witchcraft, it is full of reports of careful observations and sworn evidence - even of experiments. Glanvill, the house philosopher of the early Royal Society, regarded witchcraft as the paradigm of experimental reasoning. We have to define experimental reasoning before we start Humean book burning.]

In scientific reasoning, theories are confronted with facts; and one of the central conditions of scientific reasoning is that theories must be supported by facts. Now how exactly can facts support theory?

Several different answers have been proposed. Newton himself thought that he proved his laws from facts. [He was proud of not uttering mere hypotheses: he only published theories proven from facts. In particular,] He claimed that he deduced his laws from the 'phenomena' provided by Kepler. But his boast was nonsense, since according to Kepler, planets move in ellipses, but according to Newton's theory, planets would move in ellipses only if the planets did not disturb each other in their motion. But they do. This is why Newton had to devise a perturbation theory from which it follows that no planet moves in an ellipse.

One can today easily demonstrate that there can be no valid derivation of a law of nature from any finite number of facts; but we still keep reading about scientific theories being proved from facts. Why this stubborn resistance to elementary logic?

There is a very plausible explanation. Scientists want to make their theories respectable, deserving of the title 'science', that is, genuine knowledge. Now the most relevant knowledge in the seventeenth century, when science was born, concerned God, the Devil, Heaven and Hell. If one got one's conjectures about matters of divinity wrong, the consequence of one's mistake was no less than eternal damnation. Theological knowledge cannot be fallible: it must be beyond doubt. Now the Enlightenment thought that we were fallible and ignorant about matters theological. There is no scientific theology and, therefore, no theological knowledge. Knowledge can only be about Nature, but this new type of knowledge had to be judged by the standards they took over straight from theology: it had to be proven beyond doubt. Science had to achieve the very certainty which had escaped theology. A scientist, worthy of the name, was not allowed to guess: he had to prove each sentence he uttered from facts. This was the criterion of scientific honesty. Theories unproven from facts were regarded as sinful pseudoscience, heresy in the scientific community.

It was only the downfall of Newtonian theory in this century which made scientists realize that their standards of honesty had been utopian. [Before Einstein most scientists thought that Newton had deciphered God's ultimate laws by proving them from the facts. Ampθre, in the early nineteenth century, felt he had to call his book on his speculations concerning electromagnetism: Mathematical Theory of Electrodynamic Phenomena Unequivocally Deduced from Experiment. But at the end of the volume he casually confesses that some of the experiments were never performed and even that the necessary instruments had not been constructed! ] If all scientific theories are equally unprovable, what distinguishes scientific knowledge from ignorance, science from pseudoscience?

One answer to this question was provided in the twentieth century by 'inductive logicians'. Inductive logic set out to define the probabilities of different theories according to the available total evidence. If the mathematical probability of a theory is high, it qualifies as scientific; if it is low or even zero, it is not scientific. Thus the hallmark of scientific honesty would be never to say anything that is not at least highly probable. [ Probabilism has an attractive feature: instead of simply providing a black-and-white distinction between science and pseudoscience, it provides a continuous scale from poor theories with low probability to good theories with high probability.]

But, in 1934, Karl Popper, one of the most influential philosophers of our time, argued that the mathematical probability of all theories, scientific or pseudoscientific, given any amount of evidence is zero. If Popper is right, scientific theories are not only equally unprovable but also equally improbable.

A new demarcation criterion was needed and Popper proposed a rather stunning one.[ A theory may be scientific even if there is not a shred of evidence in its favour, and it may be pseudoscientific even if all the available evidence is in its favour. That is, the scientific or non-scientific character of a theory can be determined independently of the facts.] A theory is 'scientific' if one is prepared to specify in advance a crucial experiment (or observation) which can falsify it, and it is pseudoscientific if one refuses to specify such a 'potential falsifier'. But if so, we do not demarcate scientific theories from pseudoscientific ones, but rather scientific methods from non-scientific method. [Marxism, for a Popperian, is scientific if the Marxists are prepared to specify facts which , if observed, make them give up Marxism. If they refuse to do so, Marxism becomes a pseudoscience. It is always interesting to ask a Marxist, what conceivable event would make him abandon his Marxism. If he is committed to Marxism, he is bound to find it immoral to specify a state of affairs which can falsify it.] Thus a proposition may petrify into pseudo-scientific dogma or become genuine knowledge, depending on whether we are prepared to state observable conditions which would refute it.

Is, then, Popper's falsifiability criterion the solution to the problem of demarcating science from pseudoscience? No. For Popper's criterion ignores the remarkable tenacity of scientific theories. Scientists have thick skins. They do not abandon a theory [merely] because facts contradict it. They normally either invent some rescue hypothesis to explain what they then call a mere anomaly and if they cannot explain the anomaly, they ignore it, and direct their attention to other problems. Note that scientists talk about anomalies, [recalcitrant instances,] and not refutations. History of science, of course, is full of accounts of how crucial experiments allegedly killed theories. But all such accounts are fabricated long after the theory has been abandoned. [Had Popper ever asked a Newtonian scientist under what experimental conditions he would abandon Newtonian theory, some Newtonian scientists would have been exactly as nonplussed as are some Marxists.]

What, then, is the hallmark of science? Do we have to capitulate and agree that a scientific revolution is just an irrational change in commitment, that it is a religious conversion? Tom Kuhn, a distinguished American philosopher of science, arrived at this conclusion after discovering the naivety of Popper's falsificationism. But if Kuhn is right, then there is no explicit demarcation between science and pseudoscience, no distinction between scientific progress and intellectual decay, there is no objective standard of honesty. But what criteria can he then offer to demarcate scientific progress from intellectual degeneration ?

In the last few years I have been advocating a methodology of scientific research programmes, which solves some of the problems which both Popper and Kuhn failed to solve.

First, I claim that the typical descriptive unit of great scientific achievements is not an isolated hypothesis but rather a research programme. [Science is not simply trial and error, a series of conjectures and refutations.] 'All swans are white' may be falsified by the discovery of one black swan. But such trivial trial and error does not rank as science. Newtonian science, for instance, is not simply a set of four conjectures - the three laws of mechanics and the law of gravitation. These four laws constitute only the 'hard core' of the Newtonian programme. But this hard core is tenaciously protected from refutation by a vast 'protective belt' of auxiliary hypotheses. And, even more importantly, the research programme also has a 'heuristic', that is, a powerful problem-solving machinery, which, with the help of sophisticated mathematical techniques, digests anomalies and even turns them into positive evidence. For instance, if a planet does not move exactly as it should, the Newtonian scientist checks his conjectures concerning atmospheric refraction, concerning propagation of light in magnetic storms, and hundreds of other conjectures which are all part of the programme. He may even invent a hitherto unknown planet and calculate its position, mass and velocity in order to explain the anomaly.

Now, Newton's theory of gravitation, Einstein's relativity theory, quantum mechanics, Marxism, Freudism, are all research programmes, each with a characteristic hard core stubbornly defended, each with its more flexible protective belt and each with its elaborate problem-solving machinery. Each of them, at any stage of its development, has unsolved problems and undigested anomalies. All theories, in this sense, are born refuted and die refuted. But are they equally good? Until now I have been describing what research programmes are like. But how can one distinguish a scientific or progressive programme from a pseudoscientific or degenerating one?

Contrary to Popper, the difference cannot be that some are still unrefuted, while others are already refuted. [When Newton published his Principia, it was common knowledge that it could not properly explain even the motion of the moon; in fact, lunar motion refuted Newton.] Kaufmann, a distinguished physicist, refuted Einstein's relativity theory in the very year it was published. But all the research programmes I admire have one characteristic in common. They all predict novel facts, facts which had been either undreamt of, or have indeed been contradicted by previous or rival programmes. In 1686, when Newton published his theory of gravitation, there were, for instance, two current theories concerning comets. The more popular one regarded comets as a signal from an angry God warning that He will strike and bring disaster. A little known theory of Kepler's held that comets were celestial bodies moving along straight lines. Now according to Newtonian theory, some of them moved in hyperbolas or parabolas never to return; others moved in ordinary ellipses. Halley, working in Newton's programme, calculated on the basis of observing a brief stretch of a comet's path that it would return in seventy-two year's time; he calculated to the minute when it would be seen again at a well-defined point of the sky. This was incredible. But seventy-two years later, [when both Newton and Halley were long dead,] Halley's comet returned exactly as Halley predicted. Similarly, Newtonian scientists predicted the existence and exact motion of small planets which had never been observed before. [Or let us take Einstein's programme. This programme made the stunning prediction that if one measures the distance between two stars in the night and if one measure the distance between them during the day (when they are visible during an eclipse of the sun), the two measurements will be different. Nobody had thought to make such an observation before Einstein's programme.] Thus, in a progressive research programme, theory leads to the discovery of hitherto unknown novel facts.

In degenerating programmes, however, theories are fabricated only in order to accommodate known facts. Has, for instance, Marxism ever predicted a stunning novel fact successfully? Never! It has some famous unsuccessful predictions. It predicted the absolute impoverishment of the working class. It predicted that the first socialist revolution would take place in the industrially most developed society. It predicted that socialist societies would be free of revolutions. It predicted that there will be no conflict of interests between socialist countries. Thus the early predictions of Marxism were bold and stunning, but they failed.

Marxism 'explained' all its failures. It 'explained' the rising living standards of the working class by devising a theory of imperialism; it 'explained' even why the first socialist revolution occurred in industrially backward Russia. It 'explained' Berlin 1953, Budapest 1956, Prague 1968. It 'explained' the Russian-Chinese conflict. But their auxiliary hypotheses were all cooked up after the event to protect Marxian theory from the facts. The Newtonian programme led to novel facts; the Marxian programme lagged behind the facts and has been running fast to catch up with them.

To sum up: [The hallmark of empirical progress is not trivial verifications: Popper is right that there are millions of them. It is no success for Newtonian theory that stones, when dropped, fall towards the earth, no matter how often this is repeated. But, ] so-called 'refutations' are not the hallmark of empirical failure, as Popper has preached, since all programmes grow in a permanent ocean of anomalies. What really counts are dramatic, unexpected, stunning predictions: a few of them are enough to tilt the balance; where theory lags behind the facts, we are dealing with miserable degenerating research programmes.

Now, how do scientific revolutions come about? If we have two rival research programmes, and one is progressing while the other is degenerating, scientists tend to join the progressive programme. This is the rationale of scientific revolutions. But while it is a matter of intellectual honesty to keep the record public, it is not dishonest to stick to a degenerating programme and try to turn it into a progressive one.

As opposed to Popper the methodology of scientific research programmes does not offer instant rationality. One must treat budding programmes leniently: programmes may take decades before they get off the ground and become empirically progressive. Criticism is not a Popperian quick kill, by refutation. Important criticism is always constructive: there is no refutation without a better theory. Kuhn is wrong in thinking that scientific revolutions are sudden, irrational changes in vision. [The history of science refutes both Popper and Kuhn: ] On close inspection both Popperian crucial experiments and Kuhnian revolutions turn out to be myths: what normally happens is that progressive research programmes replace degenerating ones.

The problem of demarcation between science and pseudoscience has grave implications also for the institutionalization of criticism. Copernicus's theory was banned by the Catholic Church in 1616 because it was said to be pseudoscientific. It was taken off the index in 1820 because by that time the Church deemed that facts had proved it and therefore it became scientific. The Central Committee of the Soviet Communist Party in 1949 declared Mendelian genetics pseudoscientific and had its advocates, like Academician Vavilov, killed in concentration camps; after Vavilov's murder Mendelian genetics was rehabilitated; but the Party's right to decide what is science and publishable and what is pseudoscience and punishable was upheld. The new liberal Establishment of the West also exercises the right to deny freedom of speech to what it regards as pseudoscience, as we have seen in the case of the debate concerning race and intelligence. All these judgments were inevitably based on some sort of demarcation criterion. And this is why the problem of demarcation between science and pseudoscience is not a pseudo-problem of armchair philosophers: it has grave ethical and political implications.


Mia boiografia toy Imre Lakatos 8a brite sto link
http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~histor ... katos.html (http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Lakatos.html)

[Deggial]

Ορίστε;;Εγώ σου λέω ότι λύγισε στο σπίτι μου κουτάλι κατά τη διάρκεια της εκπομπής.Τι ταχυδακτυλουργικό τρικ,τι συσκευές κρυμμένες,ο καθένας εδώ μέσα λέει τη μπούρδα του για να μη δεχτεί το αυτονόητο και καταρρεύσει η κοσμοθεωρία του

Κι επειδή το έκανε στη τηλεόραση σταματά να παραμένει τρικ (το οποίο δε προσθέτει καμία καινούργια πληροφορία. Γι'αυτό συζητούσαμε εξ'αρχής); Πόσο μάλλον όταν υπάρχει ολόκληρη βιβλιογραφία που εξηγεί πώς μπορείς να το κάνεις...

[Dragonlord]

Είσαι πραγματικά βλάκας ή έχεις πάρει ναρκωτικά;Ξαναδιάβασε τι γράφω.

[Deggial]

Οκ, δε πολυπρόσεξα τι έγραψες. Επιμένω ωστόσο στην άποψη μου.

[OrioN]

Carcass απλά θεϊκό το Science & Pseudoscience. :thumbsup:


όσο για το κουτάλι είναι καθαρά θέμα αυθυποβολής: το κουτάλι πιστεύει ότι πρέπει να λυγίσει και λυγίζει...
τόσο απλά :P :D

[RagSoul]

Trixes einai ola!!! :?