Aristofanis kai Eklisia...

[Ethir]

Kala to kserete to gnosto to thema pou egine tosos ntoros. San poli kratos den egine i poutana i eklisia. Telika mou fenete oti aftos o Xristodoulos kanei poli ipoulo polemo.
Prosopika pistevo oti i eksagogi ton evraion (lege me xristianismos) exei valthei na katastrepsei otidipote sxetizetai me tin elliniki istoria kai to elliniko pnevma.
To Xristodoulaki thelei thanato...

[Clockwork_orange]

kako psofo na vrei...

[cancer]

oi antidraseis tou xristodoulou einai i kaliteri apodeiksi tis diaxronikotitas twn ergwn tou megalou (leme tora) aristofani.


kapoios prepei na ton valei sti 8esi tou. ilpiza na ginei kati me tin allagi tis kivernisis, alla einai tosoi oi *pistoi* pou 8a paroun strava opoiadipote paremvasi tis kivernisis kai opoiadipote apopeira periorismou twn eksousiwn tou (oi idioi pistoi pou ipegrapsan kai gia to 8ema twn tautotitwn), pou kindyneuei h dimotikotita tis kivernisis, idiaitera an parei ti gnosti tis 8esi i antipoliteusi (ti 8esi pou pairnei h ekastote antipoliteusi)...
auta ta pe ki o liantinis, prin kan eklegei o xristodoulos.

Ethir: ta ellinika monastiria, stous gnostous, diskolous kairous, eswsan ta erga tou aristofani kai pollwn allwn.

[katwrimos]

ma ti ston poutso egine? :?:

[Enehy]

oi antidraseis tou xristodoulou einai i kaliteri apodeiksi tis diaxronikotitas twn ergwn tou megalou (leme tora) aristofani.


kapoios prepei na ton valei sti 8esi tou. ilpiza na ginei kati me tin allagi tis kivernisis, alla einai tosoi oi *pistoi* pou 8a paroun strava opoiadipote paremvasi tis kivernisis kai opoiadipote apopeira periorismou twn eksousiwn tou (oi idioi pistoi pou ipegrapsan kai gia to 8ema twn tautotitwn), pou kindyneuei h dimotikotita tis kivernisis, idiaitera an parei ti gnosti tis 8esi i antipoliteusi (ti 8esi pou pairnei h ekastote antipoliteusi)...
auta ta pe ki o liantinis, prin kan eklegei o xristodoulos.

Ethir: ta ellinika monastiria, stous gnostous, diskolous kairous, eswsan ta erga tou aristofani kai pollwn allwn.


basika epeidh olh h fasaria ksekinhse apo th polh mou na sas pw.....
apla arni8hke h Mhtropolh Serrwn na dwsei to proablio mias ekklisias gia parastash tou aristofanh kai sugekrimena auth me ton Lazopoulo, h opoia einai parapoihmenh.
o Xristodoulos apla upostirikse ton diko mas episkopo..........
h ekklhsia den katigorise ton Aristofanh apla den 8ewrei swsto na paizontai oi parastaseis tous se proaulia nawn giati opws oloi gnwrizoume o aristofanhs eixe ena idiaitero tropo na ekfrazetai

[katwrimos]

kapia mera i europaiki enosi tha epivalei tin katalili forologia stin eklisia. Tote tha gelasoume poly me tous kathisterimenous xristianous pou tha vgoun stous dromous na iperaspistoun tin periousia ton papadon :D

[Ethir]

Ethir: ta ellinika monastiria, stous gnostous, diskolous kairous, eswsan ta erga tou aristofani kai pollwn allwn.
Den antilego agapite. Alla opos kai na exei kai oso kai na exei prosferei o Xristianismos den exei sxesi me tin Ellada kai to elliniko pnevma opos theoroun merikoi oti o desmos se afta einai ariktos. Sou proteino na diavaseis ligo Kelso. Gamo ta vivlia.
Episis einai gegonos oti meta tin apeleftherosi apo tous Tourkous i Eklisia prospathei me opiondipote tropo na parei ton rolo kratous se opious tomeis mporei.
Eimaste i monadiki xora pou exoume koino ipourgeio gia tin paideia kai to thriskevma...Episis ena vivlio den mporei na didaxthei sta ellinika sxoleia an den perasei prota apo ton elegxo tin eklisias.
Pragmatiko karkinoma...

[WoTaN]

Kala,ekklisies,papades.Ola ta skata mazi.

[Ethir]

Kala,ekklisies,papades.Ola ta skata mazi.
Mirise o topos.

[MoRmEnGiL]

ZITO O MPOURZOUM~!`!`1!````!!!~1!

[Ghoul]

ilpiza na ginei kati me tin allagi tis kivernisis...

san ti ilpizes dld na ginei? eidika twra me th nd sthn kivernish isa isa pou tha yposthrizei piotero to fasistotragopapa.

[cancer]

ilpiza na ginei kati me tin allagi tis kivernisis...

san ti ilpizes dld na ginei? eidika twra me th nd sthn kivernish isa isa pou tha yposthrizei piotero to fasistotragopapa.
o karamanlis eixe afisei na ennoh8ei pos 8a balei to xristodoulo sti 8esi tou en kairw. ki afou tosa xronia apo to pasok den eida kamia tetoia prospa8eia, ilpiza sauto.
i teleutaia sou protasi einai teleiws akiri.

[MoRmEnGiL]

ilpiza na ginei kati me tin allagi tis kivernisis...

san ti ilpizes dld na ginei? eidika twra me th nd sthn kivernish isa isa pou tha yposthrizei piotero to fasistotragopapa.
o karamanlis eixe afisei na ennoh8ei pos 8a balei to xristodoulo sti 8esi tou en kairw. ki afou tosa xronia apo to pasok den eida kamia tetoia prospa8eia, ilpiza sauto.
i teleutaia sou protasi einai teleiws akiri.

WPA DE3IOS DETECTED :shock:

[necropethamenos]

kat arxin, o megas tragopapas ta exei toso kala me ti ND pou mono empodio de tha vrei. I ND an thymaste itan YPER tis anagrafis thriskevmatos stis taftotites (ta eixame ksana syzitisei, an thelei kapoios as vrei to analogo thread me tis apopseis mas epi tou thematos).

I ekklisia genikotera stin ellada einai enas aftarxikos organismos fasistomoutrwn. Xrisimopoiei tin propaganda kai exei elegxo toswn pollwn pragmatwn se tetoio vathmo pou einai adynaton na thewriseis oti prokeitai gia kati pou afora telika ti thriskeia, ti pisti, oti nanai.

To gegonos oti vrisketai toso xwmeni sto kratos einai kai pros ofelos tou (deksiou opws kai na to parei kaneis) kratous kai pros ofelos tis idias.

Paradeigmata: opws eipe kai o Ethir i ekklisia elegxei ta vivlia tou sxoleiou!
Apotelesma: to sxoleio se megalwnei na gineis me to zori xristianos!
Ama gineis kalos xristianos tha gineis kai kalos pelatis tou ekastote naou, kalos "patriwtis" mias kai tha exeis idi tin idiotita na MIN skeftesai orthlogika alla na dexesai akrita diafores paraloges ennoies i sypmlegmata ennoiwn,
kalos deksios wste na eklegeis panta mia deksia kyvernisi. Deksia den ennow tin ND, deksia ennow kai to PASOK. Mporei na min einai akraio, alla min koroidevomaste, eleftheri agora to lene kai afto einai deksia.

Episis tha anexesai tis malakies pou se vazoun oi ypoloipoi na yfistasai me mia "kouvalaw to stavro mou" mideniki antidrasi.

Episis i ekklisiastiki periousia einai, opws toulaxiston legetai, terastia. Afto se kanei kai anarwtiesai, poios tous ta edwse? Giati einai dika tous? Aftoi den prepei na asxolountai me to pnevma klp? Aftoi den prepei na einai tapeinoi? Ti sto dialo douleia exoune me ta fragka?

Episis stous forous pou plirwnoume kathe xrono oloi mas, perilamvanetai kai to mertiko tis ekklisias. Mono pou kaneis de dikaiologei to GIATI. Se ti eksypiretei i ekklisia emena? Ton mi xristiano? Akomi kai an eimoun xristianos giati tha tin plirwna apo tous forous mou tin idia stigmi pou gia na mpeis se enan nao plirwneis (kerakia klp). Kai telika, ti eidous dimosioi ypalliloi einai oi papades pou eksypiretoun MONO ena eidos politwn, tous pistous?

Oson afora tin periptwsi aristofani, e , apla exei plaka. Otidipote dianoitika tous ksepernaei, mallon tous eksorgizei. Fantasteite POSA pragmata tous eksorgizoun.

I ekklisia einai to antistoixo tis kyvernisis Bush stin ellada, eftyxws pou den exei tetoies eksousies (opws vlepete exei alles).

[Gabriel]

Ethir: ta ellinika monastiria, stous gnostous, diskolous kairous, eswsan ta erga tou aristofani kai pollwn allwn.

Ta Ellhnika monasthria, stoys gnostoys, dyskoloys kairoys, eswzan mono lakerdes, kapnista kai kana mpoykali krasi. An perimename apo ta monasthria na eixan diaswsei thn Arxaioellhnikh grammateia shmera de than yphrxe kan ergo gia na anebasei o Laz. kai na ta leme. Ta erga ta ksanamathame ws laos apo toys ksenoys filellhnes meta thn apeleytherwsh opws kai alla sxetika me to poioi eimaste kai apo poy hrthame.

To oti kapoia katholika monasthria se megalytero bathmo diathrhsan kai anaparhgagan kapoia erga einai alhtheia alla kai ayto to ekanan gia dikoys toys logoys, oxi gia na diathrhsoyn to Arxaioellhniko pneyma. Ta dyo einai oloklhrwtika asymbata.

Oso gia to ti pragmatika ekanan oi xristianoi sth xwra, ta kseroyme oloi. Mhn ta ksanaleme.

Apalwtriwsh. Parte ta ths ekklhsias ola na sfiksei o Xristodoylas to zwnari...(*dreaming*)

[cancer]

ilpiza na ginei kati me tin allagi tis kivernisis...

san ti ilpizes dld na ginei? eidika twra me th nd sthn kivernish isa isa pou tha yposthrizei piotero to fasistotragopapa.
o karamanlis eixe afisei na ennoh8ei pos 8a balei to xristodoulo sti 8esi tou en kairw. ki afou tosa xronia apo to pasok den eida kamia tetoia prospa8eia, ilpiza sauto.
i teleutaia sou protasi einai teleiws akiri.

WPA DE3IOS DETECTED :shock:
entaksei. eisai ka8isterimenos.
den ipostirizo kanena komma.

vlepeis deksia diakivernisi mexri stigmis? ego oxi. h nd auti ti retsinia prospa8ei, apo tin proeklogiki periodo, na apotinaksei (opws (de) 8a des kai prosfata sto synedrio tous, opou o kostakis dilose oti pleon to komma tous exei parei mia kentrwa kateu8insi ki anikei pleon sto mesaio xwro).
me ekneurizei apisteuta i nipiaki logiki pollwn, opws tou ghoul (pou mallon prepei na einai pantelws asxetos me to 8ema), kai i ethelotyflia merikwn san kai sena.

[cancer]

Ethir: ta ellinika monastiria, stous gnostous, diskolous kairous, eswsan ta erga tou aristofani kai pollwn allwn.

Ta Ellhnika monasthria, stoys gnostoys, dyskoloys kairoys, eswzan mono lakerdes, kapnista kai kana mpoykali krasi. An perimename apo ta monasthria na eixan diaswsei thn Arxaioellhnikh grammateia shmera de than yphrxe kan ergo gia na anebasei o Laz. kai na ta leme. Ta erga ta ksanamathame ws laos apo toys ksenoys filellhnes meta thn apeleytherwsh opws kai alla sxetika me to poioi eimaste kai apo poy hrthame.

To oti kapoia katholika monasthria se megalytero bathmo diathrhsan kai anaparhgagan kapoia erga einai alhtheia alla kai ayto to ekanan gia dikoys toys logoys, oxi gia na diathrhsoyn to Arxaioellhniko pneyma. Ta dyo einai oloklhrwtika asymbata.

Oso gia to ti pragmatika ekanan oi xristianoi sth xwra, ta kseroyme oloi. Mhn ta ksanaleme.

Apalwtriwsh. Parte ta ths ekklhsias ola na sfiksei o Xristodoylas to zwnari...(*dreaming*)
oi or8odoksoi monaxoi antegrafan ta erga twn arxaiwn ellinwn siggrafewn.
oi ka8olikoi den ksero ti kanane, alla prepei na iparxei para poly yliko pou exei "parakratisei" to vatikano kai fisika de 8a figei pote apo kei.

[Ethir]

Episis i ekklisiastiki periousia einai, opws toulaxiston legetai, terastia.
For info...i eklisia einai o defteros megaliteros katathetis stin ethniki trapeza meta to Kratos. Gia osous katalavenoun gia posa fraga milane as to pistepsoun. Isxiei.
Kai otan rotisan to mounopano giati i Eklisia me tosa lefta den kanei kana ergo eixe pei "den mporoume na ginoume emeis antagonistes tou kratous".
Alla tous forous mas kai ta fraga apo ta pagaria mporoun na ta pairnoun gamo ton xristo tous.


Se ti eksypiretei i ekklisia emena? Ton mi xristiano?
Afto oute ego to katalaveno. Alla stadar pistevo oti den tha prepei na einai nomimo. Kai vasika tha prepei na einai proeretiko. Ego den eimai xristianos giati kirie mou na plirono tin thriskeia kapiou allou? Aporo pos kanenas pote den exei prosfigei se kana dikastirio. Pragmatika aporo.


Oso gia to ti pragmatika ekanan oi xristianoi sth xwra, ta kseroyme oloi. Mhn ta ksanaleme.
Otan eixe eisvalei o xristianismos stin Ellada katastrafikan terastia erga pou kai kala itan enantia sto dogma tous. Naoi latreias kai loipa. Xilioeipomena pragmata.

[Ghoul]

o necropethamenos sxedon me kalypse me auta pou eipe.
cancer vgazeis poly efkola symperasmata gia tous allous.
Egw mexri stigmhs de vlepw megalh diafora apo thn kyvernhsh tou pasok (fysika k tha yparksei diafora k tha to doume auto se ligo kairo..).
Epeidh o kostakhs dhlwse oti to koma tou anhkei pleon sto mesaio xwro prepei na ton pistepsoume? K o giwrgakhs leei oti to pasok anhkei ston aristero xwro prepei ki auton na ton pistepsoume? H' mhpws na pistepsoume ton Karatzaferh pou prospathei na mas peisei oti den einai fasistas k ethnikisths?

[necropethamenos]

vlepeis deksia diakivernisi mexri stigmis? ego oxi.

fysika kai prokeitai gia deksia diakyvernisi. I ND opws isws exeis proseksei prospathei KYRIWS na prostatepsei tin epixeirimatikotita kai oxi tous ergazomenous. O tropos einai to na afisei tin agora na isorropisei moni tis (pou pote de symvainei kai pouthena, fysika). Paradeigma: i venizini afksise tin timi tis trella logw tis pro minwn krisis tous petrelaiou. I krisi efyge, i timi emeine - MONO STIN ELLADA. Eides kyrwseis? Eides otidipote? Oxi, apla plirwneis.

Afto to lene deksia.

An peraseis 2 i 3 fores mesa apo tin olympiaki lwrida se opoiondipote kentriko dromo, den exeis pleon tin epiptwsi enos prostimou alla tis profylakisis. Afto sou fernei ligo se deksia? Mipws sou thymizei diktatoria? Mipws sou thymizei to 1984?

An oxi afto, mipws sou to thymizoun oi apeires kameres?

E kai afto deksia to lene.

Prostatevetai i ependysi pou legetai olympiakoi, esy pas fylaki gia mia paravasi enos mallon antisyntagmatikou K.O.K.

Oi forologikes apallages pou yposxethike i kyvernisi proeklogika aforousan, sto megisto pososto, tis epixeiriseis kai tous anthrwpous pou exoun ena terastio eisodima se sxesi me ton meso politi.

E kai afto deksio einai.

Kapote to Pasok ekane ena apo ta (poly poly liga) swsta pragmata edw pera. Eftiakse to ASEP. To gynaika mou, pou anikei se mia paradosiaka neodimokratiki oikogeneia kai me gnwstous stin tote antipolitefsi, ekane tin aitisi tis sto ASEP kai dioristike aplws epeidi kapoios koitakse tis spoudes kai to viografiko tis kai oxi tin politiki tis protimisi (i tis oikegeneias tis).

To ASEP kontepse na katargithei kai eftyxws pou pige na ginei tis poutanas kai twra yparxei KAI to ASEP alla opote goustaroume yparxoun kai ta "kritiria".

O logos einai fysika na gemisei to dimosio me oso to dynaton perissoterous ND fans kai na rizwsei i kyvernisi ws kathestws.

E min anarwtiesai an prokeitai gia deksia!





h nd auti ti retsinia prospa8ei, apo tin proeklogiki periodo, na apotinaksei (opws (de) 8a des kai prosfata sto synedrio tous, opou o kostakis dilose oti pleon to komma tous exei parei mia kentrwa kateu8insi ki anikei pleon sto mesaio xwro).

o logos pou prospathei na mas peisei gia kati tetoio einai oti stin ellada i deksia exei "kako onoma". An omws deis ta stelexi tis ND, to parelthon tous, to proeklogiko tous programma (alitheia to diavase kaneis sas?) kai alles tetoies leptomereies, tha katalaveis oti nai, prokeitai gia deksious.

Kai ksanalew, deksia itan KAI to PASOK. Apla oxi toso.

[Chopped In Half]

το γαμήσατε πια με τα ηλίθια topics.

[necropethamenos]

το γαμήσατε πια με τα ηλίθια topics.

pairneis pososta apo kapou otan gkriniazeis?

[Ghoul]

me ekneurizei apisteuta i nipiaki logiki pollwn, opws tou ghoul (pou mallon prepei na einai pantelws asxetos me to 8ema), kai i ethelotyflia merikwn san kai sena.

oson afora auto profanws anaferesai sta legomena mou:


san ti ilpizes dld na ginei? eidika twra me th nd sthn kivernish isa isa pou tha yposthrizei piotero to fasistotragopapa.

o asxetos eisai esy an de symfwneis me auto. profanws de thymasai tis dhlwseis tou xristodoulou pou ekane liges wres meta th nikh ths nd pou afou allakse ta katourimena tou rasa elege "o theos einai megalos" k diafora tetoia wraia.
ektos autou eipes pws ilpizes kati na ginei me thn allagh ths kivernishs. h kivernish den exei th dikaiodosia na allaksei ton fasistotragopapa para mono to symvoulio ths ekklhsias me tous despotes pou profanws einai oi perissoteroi filarakia tou xristodoulou.

[Gabriel]

oi or8odoksoi monaxoi antegrafan ta erga twn arxaiwn ellinwn siggrafewn.
oi ka8olikoi den ksero ti kanane, alla prepei na iparxei para poly yliko pou exei "parakratisei" to vatikano kai fisika de 8a figei pote apo kei.

Ayto gia to Batikano goes without saying. Allh plhgh apo'kei.

Gia toys orthodoksoys twra...to "oi or8odoksoi monaxoi antegrafan ta erga twn arxaiwn ellinwn siggrafewn", ti einai? Epixeirhma? H' epeidh bghke kai to eipe merikes fores o Xristodoylos egine gegonos? H' mhpws epeidh kapote h propaganda ths ekklhsias mas eplyne ta myala kala-kala se long spin stoys 90 oti eixan, kai kala, kryfa sxoleia kai ekpaidevan me kindyno thanatoy toys Ellhnes? Toympeki ekanan sta xronia poy les kai etrwgan oso kala oso trwn kai shmera.

Egw, gia na se prolabw, den exw istorikes apodeikseis oti DEN antegrafan erga arxaiwn alla to oti DEN to ekanan, apo istorikhs apopshs, einai h default topothetish. Den mporei na apodeiksei kaneis oti kati DEN egine. Kai, epishs, yparxoyn kapoioi logoi poy to kanoyn eksairetika apithano:
1) Otan hrthe o xristianismos sthn Ellada, yphrkse mia syntonismenh prospatheia na eksafanistei h arxaioellhnikh koyltoyra. Ayto einai istoriko fact.
2) Giati na antigrafoyn erga exthrikhs pros th dikh toys koyltoyras (?), ta idia erga poy twra de theloyn na paizontai stis ekklhsies toys? Gia xartziliki isws, alla oxi oti to ekanan kai gia na diaswsoyn thn koyltoyra poy phgan na eksafanisoyn.


To oti o Xristodoylas kai to posse toy paizoyn ena emmetiko paixnidi na pianontai kai sto xristianismo kai na grapwnoyn gia dikh toys thn Arxaia Ellada gia profaneis logoys laikismoy, den paei na pei oti to katapinoyme. Kseroyme ti shmainei gia to Xr. to Ellhnas.

Mpastardoi me tis kolothrhskeies toys....

[WoTaN]

Oso gia to ti pragmatika ekanan oi xristianoi sth xwra, ta kseroyme oloi. Mhn ta ksanaleme.
Basika edw prepei na diaxoristei i ennoia tou xristianou apo auti tis ekklisias i twn papadwn.Egw toulaxiston to antilamvanomai diaforetika..To kako stin xwra den nomizw oti to kanan oi xristianoi polites i o xristianikos laos alla oi papades kai i ekklisia (pou itan xristianoi),den xerw an ginomai antiliptos..
Ghoul o karatzaferis einai ethnikistis,oxi fasistas.Kai den einai fasistas apokleistika opoios pisteuei sto Ethnos kai tin patrida.Stoixeiwdi logiki.

[Ethir]

Nekropethamene ola afta pou les den erminevontai os energeies tis deksias alla pio poli tis pagosmiopoihshs. Etsi toulaxiston to antilamvanomai kai ego me tin kameres kai oles aftes tis malakies pou simvainoun.


το γαμήσατε πια με τα ηλίθια topics.
Entaksei esena ti na sou po...Ilithio topic na thiksoume ena koinoniko thema. Ante tote pigene na miliseis pou i Brutally pige spiti tou S11. Edo leme malakies emeis.



Oso gia to ti pragmatika ekanan oi xristianoi sth xwra, ta kseroyme oloi. Mhn ta ksanaleme.
Basika edw prepei na diaxoristei i ennoia tou xristianou apo auti tis ekklisias i twn papadwn.
Re kati iksere o Hitler kai esfaze evraious...kai gia na proxoriso akomi pio palia...kati ikseran oi Rwmaioi kai tous rixnan sta liontaria tous xristianous.

[cancer]

me ekneurizei apisteuta i nipiaki logiki pollwn, opws tou ghoul (pou mallon prepei na einai pantelws asxetos me to 8ema), kai i ethelotyflia merikwn san kai sena.

oson afora auto profanws anaferesai sta legomena mou:


san ti ilpizes dld na ginei? eidika twra me th nd sthn kivernish isa isa pou tha yposthrizei piotero to fasistotragopapa.

o asxetos eisai esy an de symfwneis me auto. profanws de thymasai tis dhlwseis tou xristodoulou pou ekane liges wres meta th nikh ths nd pou afou allakse ta katourimena tou rasa elege "o theos einai megalos" k diafora tetoia wraia.
ektos autou eipes pws ilpizes kati na ginei me thn allagh ths kivernishs. h kivernish den exei th dikaiodosia na allaksei ton fasistotragopapa para mono to symvoulio ths ekklhsias me tous despotes pou profanws einai oi perissoteroi filarakia tou xristodoulou.
H dilosi tou xristodoulou einai endeiktiki tou oportounismou tou.
den te8ike 8ema allagis proswpwn. ego milisa gia periorismo twn eksousiwn tou.

[Ghoul]

fysika k koitaei to symferon tou o xristodoulos, den tha ekane tetoies dhlwseis an den ta eixe kanei plakakia me th nd. htan fanero poso den hthele to pasok sta podia tou (k ths ekklisias).


i teleutaia sou protasi einai teleiws akiri.

telika pou diafwneis ?

[Brutally]

ma opou kai na mperdeytei h ekklhsia mantara ta kanei..Exoun katantisei th 8rhskeia xounta re...Ta iswpedwsame ola

[cancer]

fysika k koitaei to symferon tou o xristodoulos, den tha ekane tetoies dhlwseis an den ta eixe kanei plakakia me th nd. htan fanero poso den hthele to pasok sta podia tou (k ths ekklisias).


i teleutaia sou protasi einai teleiws akiri.

telika pou diafwneis ?
ma auto simainei oportounismos, en prokeimenw. na ta kaneis plakakia me tin ekastote kivernisi.

amfivallo gia to kata poso itan fanero.
diafono me ti logiki "nd=deksia=kollitilikia me ekklisia".

[WoTaN]

Re kati iksere o Hitler kai esfaze evraious...kai gia na proxoriso akomi pio palia...kati ikseran oi Rwmaioi kai tous rixnan sta liontaria tous xristianous.
Kai ti diafora eides?
Oi Ebraioi exoune toulaxiston diplasiastei kai eksagriwthei perissotero.To idio kai oi fanatikoi xristianoi..
Den petixeneis tipota me ton autarxismo kai tin via..

[Ghoul]

diafono me ti logiki "nd=deksia=kollitilikia me ekklisia".

ma pws einai dynaton o xristodoulos na ta exei kanei plakakia me th nd k na mhn exei "kolitilikia" me thn ekklisia h nd?

[cancer]

diafono me ti logiki "nd=deksia=kollitilikia me ekklisia".

ma pws einai dynaton o xristodoulos na ta exei kanei plakakia me th nd k na mhn exei "kolitilikia" me thn ekklisia h nd?
to "o 8eos einai megalos" simainei pos ta kane plakakia me ti nd?
apla "tous ekane ton kalo".
ta kollitilikia kai pali den ta vlepo.


TELOS!

[Ghoul]

den eipe apla "o theos einai megalos" de thymamai ti allo eipe k den exei k megalh shmasia.
tespa de vgazei pouthena auth h syzhthsh. o xronos tha deiksei poios tha dikaiwthei.

[Ethir]

Exoun katantisei th 8rhskeia xounta re...Ta iswpedwsame ola
Anekathen itan...i thriskeia einai terastio oplo my dear.



Re kati iksere o Hitler kai esfaze evraious...kai gia na proxoriso akomi pio palia...kati ikseran oi Rwmaioi kai tous rixnan sta liontaria tous xristianous.
Kai ti diafora eides?
Oi Ebraioi exoune toulaxiston diplasiastei kai eksagriwthei perissotero.To idio kai oi fanatikoi xristianoi..
Den petixeneis tipota me ton autarxismo kai tin via..
Aksizei omos i prospatheia... :D


den eipe apla "o theos einai megalos" de thymamai ti allo eipe k den exei k megalh shmasia.
Eixe pei oti "oi kairoi allazoun...doksasi o theos". Ola afta meta tis ekloges stin proti tou sinantisi me ton kostaki.

[Ramshackle Man]

vlepeis deksia diakivernisi mexri stigmis? ego oxi.

fysika kai prokeitai gia deksia diakyvernisi. I ND opws isws exeis proseksei prospathei KYRIWS na prostatepsei tin epixeirimatikotita kai oxi tous ergazomenous. O tropos einai to na afisei tin agora na isorropisei moni tis (pou pote de symvainei kai pouthena, fysika). Paradeigma: i venizini afksise tin timi tis trella logw tis pro minwn krisis tous petrelaiou. I krisi efyge, i timi emeine - MONO STIN ELLADA. Eides kyrwseis? Eides otidipote? Oxi, apla plirwneis.

Afto to lene deksia.

An peraseis 2 i 3 fores mesa apo tin olympiaki lwrida se opoiondipote kentriko dromo, den exeis pleon tin epiptwsi enos prostimou alla tis profylakisis. Afto sou fernei ligo se deksia? Mipws sou thymizei diktatoria? Mipws sou thymizei to 1984?

An oxi afto, mipws sou to thymizoun oi apeires kameres?

E kai afto deksia to lene.

Prostatevetai i ependysi pou legetai olympiakoi, esy pas fylaki gia mia paravasi enos mallon antisyntagmatikou K.O.K.

Oi forologikes apallages pou yposxethike i kyvernisi proeklogika aforousan, sto megisto pososto, tis epixeiriseis kai tous anthrwpous pou exoun ena terastio eisodima se sxesi me ton meso politi.

E kai afto deksio einai.

Kapote to Pasok ekane ena apo ta (poly poly liga) swsta pragmata edw pera. Eftiakse to ASEP. To gynaika mou, pou anikei se mia paradosiaka neodimokratiki oikogeneia kai me gnwstous stin tote antipolitefsi, ekane tin aitisi tis sto ASEP kai dioristike aplws epeidi kapoios koitakse tis spoudes kai to viografiko tis kai oxi tin politiki tis protimisi (i tis oikegeneias tis).

To ASEP kontepse na katargithei kai eftyxws pou pige na ginei tis poutanas kai twra yparxei KAI to ASEP alla opote goustaroume yparxoun kai ta "kritiria".

O logos einai fysika na gemisei to dimosio me oso to dynaton perissoterous ND fans kai na rizwsei i kyvernisi ws kathestws.

E min anarwtiesai an prokeitai gia deksia!





h nd auti ti retsinia prospa8ei, apo tin proeklogiki periodo, na apotinaksei (opws (de) 8a des kai prosfata sto synedrio tous, opou o kostakis dilose oti pleon to komma tous exei parei mia kentrwa kateu8insi ki anikei pleon sto mesaio xwro).

o logos pou prospathei na mas peisei gia kati tetoio einai oti stin ellada i deksia exei "kako onoma". An omws deis ta stelexi tis ND, to parelthon tous, to proeklogiko tous programma (alitheia to diavase kaneis sas?) kai alles tetoies leptomereies, tha katalaveis oti nai, prokeitai gia deksious.

Kai ksanalew, deksia itan KAI to PASOK. Apla oxi toso.

Shedon ola sosta (IMO panta) EKTOS apo afta peri ASEP. To ASEP nai ine kalitero apo fasi diorismou-ethnikofronon ktl. Ela omos pou den ihame afto pio prin!!! To PASOK katirgise tin epetirida (mia apeiros DIKAIOTERI rithmisi gia diorismous sto dimosio) me to ektromatiko ASEP opou pleon dinoume interviews kai exetaseis (de tous ftanei tous mlkes pu pente hronia sto panepistimio ihame exetaseis) gia 900 Euro sto dhmosio. Hmarton re. Hmarton.

Necropethamene elpizo na min ise mikros kai na thimasai to XILIKI TIS ARKOUDAS pu ihan rixei tote pu protoeginan oi exetaseis tou ASEP se kathigites oi skatompatsoi tou ... aristerou SKATOK. Les oti to PASOK den ine toso dexia oso i ND. Gia emena ine. Se apeiroelahistes mikroleptomeries (pu den kanoun tin diafora!) diaferoun... Oi men ine dexioi kai autoapokalountai ... kentrooi eno oi de ine kai aftoi dexioi kai autoapokalountai ... oti nanai (aristeroi, dexioi, voreioi notioi ktl) prokeimenou na paroun tin yifo. Na yofisoun amfoteroi opos kai oi kolodespotades tipou Hristodulu na isihasume.

[The_Fool]

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[Ramshackle Man]

Imaste ligo off-topic ine alitheia alla den variesai, tosa kai tosa kammena posts eho dei se afto to forum, toulahiston afto edo asholeitai me pragmatika zitimata...

Peri epetiridas; to dhmosio den ine idiotikos tomeas gia mena. Horis na arhizoume na mplekomaste se politikooikonomikes analiseis kai na kanoume quote ton Marx kai alla tetia tragelafika (tha itan yilogeloio se ena metal forum alloste) pistevo pos o rolos tou dhmosiou, akoma kai se ena "koinonikou" (antifasi or what alla tespa!) kapitalistikou tipou kratos pu den ehei omos akoma xefigei se kati apanthropo, ine na ekplironei vasikes anages ton politon tis ekastote horas. Mia vasiki anagi gia emena ine kai i ergasia. H epetirida to ekane afto, isos ohi teleia, alla evaze mia kathara axiokratiki seira se diorismous kati pu to ASEP katirgise eisagontas stoihia tis perivoitis "antagonistikotitas" kai se afto ton tomea. "Antagonistitikothta" ine allos enas tropos na sou lene pos akoma kai to dhmosio prepi na leitourgisei san mia idiotiki epiheirisi pu prepei de kai kala na vgalei kerdos. E ohi, ego afto den to dehomai, dhmosio shmainei kati pu anikei ston poli lao, stin megali plioyifeia tou kosmou kai ohi kati pu prepi na kerdizei pasi thisia me to na ipoferoun oi polloi kai na karponontai oi ligoi.

Peri exetaseon... Me thn logiki pu provalleis giati na min katargisume to panepistimio tote, afou afta pu mathainoume outos i allos tha exetastoun ekei pu metraei otan erthei i ora gia ASEP kai ohi noritera? H akoma kalitera, giati na min axiologoumaste oloi osoi mpume sto dhmosio kathe hrono me exetaseis, h isos kathe examino, h isos kai kathe mina?! Katalavaineis pu thelo na katalixo, prokeitai gia kati apanthropo pu siga siga mas dinoun na dokimasoume giati tha hirotereyei kai kati pu distihos tha to vroume mprosta mas...

[Ethir]

Imaste ligo off-topic ine alitheia alla den variesai, tosa kai tosa kammena posts eho dei se afto to forum, toulahiston afto edo asholeitai me pragmatika zitimata...
Off topic alla afto pou eipes...toulaxiston milame gia sovara pragmata...

[pitchfork]

1. Χαίρομαι που υπάρχουν τόσοι πολλοί αντιχριστιανοί. Το black metal έκανε καλά τη δουλειά του - πλάκα κάνω.
2, Αν ήμουν σερραίος αρχιεπίσκοπος θα απαγόρευα την εκδήλωση με το ατράνταχτο επιχείρημα ότι ο λαζόπουλος είναι ανίκανος να ανεβάσει αριστοφάνη, όχι για άλλο λόγο.
3. Για να λέμε και του στραβού το δίκιο ethir δεν πληρώνουμε κανένα φόρο για την κωλοεκκλησία. Αυτή συντηρείται από τα παγκάρια κλπ και την διαχείρηση της περιουσίας της - δεν έχει ανάγκη, μην τρελαίνεσαι.


Peri epetiridas; to dhmosio den ine idiotikos tomeas gia mena. Horis na arhizoume na mplekomaste se politikooikonomikes analiseis kai na kanoume quote ton Marx kai alla tetia tragelafika (tha itan yilogeloio se ena metal forum alloste) pistevo pos o rolos tou dhmosiou, akoma kai se ena "koinonikou" (antifasi or what alla tespa!) kapitalistikou tipou kratos pu den ehei omos akoma xefigei se kati apanthropo, ine na ekplironei vasikes anages ton politon tis ekastote horas. Mia vasiki anagi gia emena ine kai i ergasia. H epetirida to ekane afto, isos ohi teleia, alla evaze mia kathara axiokratiki seira se diorismous kati pu to ASEP katirgise eisagontas stoihia tis perivoitis "antagonistikotitas" kai se afto ton tomea. "Antagonistitikothta" ine allos enas tropos na sou lene pos akoma kai to dhmosio prepi na leitourgisei san mia idiotiki epiheirisi pu prepei de kai kala na vgalei kerdos. E ohi, ego afto den to dehomai, dhmosio shmainei kati pu anikei ston poli lao, stin megali plioyifeia tou kosmou kai ohi kati pu prepi na kerdizei pasi thisia me to na ipoferoun oi polloi kai na karponontai oi ligoi.

Πιστεύεις ότι ο καθηγητής σε ένα σχολείο πρέπει να ξύνει τ αρχίδια του όλη μέρα και να μην τον κουνάει κανείς επειδή δεν είναι ιδιωτική επιχείρηση το σχολείο? Η θα μπορεί να είναι άσχετος γτ ξέχασε κι αυτά που έμαθε επειδή πέρασαν 10 χρόνια μέχρι να διοριστεί και τόσο καιρό δούλευε ταρίφας? Δεν νομίζω.

[jimid]

3. Για να λέμε και του στραβού το δίκιο ethir δεν πληρώνουμε κανένα φόρο για την κωλοεκκλησία. Αυτή συντηρείται από τα παγκάρια κλπ και την διαχείρηση της περιουσίας της - δεν έχει ανάγκη, μην τρελαίνεσαι.

Oi dwrees apo "pistous" kai oi klirodotiseis stin diaxeirisi tis periousias tis katatassontai??? Kai min mou peite oti den einai ena terastio meros tis periousias tous...

[Gabriel]

Αν ήμουν σερραίος αρχιεπίσκοπος θα απαγόρευα την εκδήλωση με το ατράνταχτο επιχείρημα ότι ο λαζόπουλος είναι ανίκανος να ανεβάσει αριστοφάνη, όχι για άλλο λόγο.

Kapoios eprepe na to pei.....

H perioysia ths ekklhsias, parepiptontws, den einai apo ta pagkaria. Einai ap'oles tis thitses poy grafoyn ta panta sthn enoria ths geitonias toys gia ena eishthrio sto megalo stage toy oyranoy (.....pipes, btw)

[Ethir]

3. Για να λέμε και του στραβού το δίκιο ethir δεν πληρώνουμε κανένα φόρο για την κωλοεκκλησία. Αυτή συντηρείται από τα παγκάρια κλπ και την διαχείρηση της περιουσίας της - δεν έχει ανάγκη, μην τρελαίνεσαι.
Vasika den plironoume forous pou leei oti aftoi pane eklisia...afto einai alithia. Alla i eklisia to mertiko tis apo to kratos to pairnei opos kai na exei opos kanei kai i kipros. Stadar pragmata...den sintirite enas organismos mono apo ta pagarakia...exeis kai ta ktimata tis i eklisia...exei kai tis mizes tis...exei kai to kratos. An nomizeis pos ta pagaria tin kanoun ton deftero megalitero katatheti stin ethniki trapeza meta to kratos, tote geliese.

[pitchfork]

Όχι ρε κανεις λάθος.
Τα παγκαράκια όταν λέμε εννοούμε και κάτι γριές που δεν έχουν συγγενείς και όταν πεθαίνουν τα αφήνουνε όλα εκεί, περιουσίες τώρα λέμε κλπ.
Στανταρ αυτό.
Το κράτος δε δίνει τπτ για τους τραγοπαπάδες - δεν υπάρχει στον προυπολογισμό δλδ κονδύλι.
Αυτά.


ΣΥΜΠΕΡΑΣΜΑ 1: VENOM RE MOUNIA
ΣΥΜΠΕΡΑΣΜΑ 2: ΠΑΩ ΓΙΑ ΥΠΝΟ

[enitharmon]

i ekklisia mporei na syntireitai kai apo ta enoikia twn polykatoikiwn pou exei

[enitharmon]

i venizini afksise tin timi tis trella logw tis pro minwn krisis tous petrelaiou. I krisi efyge, i timi emeine - MONO STIN ELLADA. Eides kyrwseis? Eides otidipote? Oxi, apla plirwneis.
nie, kai sti Germania i timi oxi aplws den epese, alla synexizei na anevainei

[WoTaN]

Ti epetirides kai asep re?Pate kala?Mazoxes eiste?
Douleia tin epomeni mera afou pareis to ptuxio.To pio dikaio gia olous.
Kai an den ginete...ti fteei?Giati kaneis den milaei?Giati psifizete autous poy DEN to kanoun?
Tis douleies mas oute oi Ellines oute oi ksenoi mas tis exoun parei.Emeis oi idioi me tis kuverniseis poy eklegoume tis katargoume apo ton eauto mas.

[Angrafan]

KOUKOUE

[enitharmon]

an exeis 150.000 daskalous, alla mono 100.000 theseis tous ypoloipous ti tha tous kaneis?

[The_Fool]

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[The_Fool]

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[necropethamenos]

Peri epetiridas; to dhmosio den ine idiotikos tomeas gia mena. Horis na arhizoume na mplekomaste se politikooikonomikes analiseis kai na kanoume quote ton Marx kai alla tetia tragelafika (tha itan yilogeloio se ena metal forum alloste) pistevo pos o rolos tou dhmosiou, akoma kai se ena "koinonikou" (antifasi or what alla tespa!) kapitalistikou tipou kratos pu den ehei omos akoma xefigei se kati apanthropo, ine na ekplironei vasikes anages ton politon tis ekastote horas. Mia vasiki anagi gia emena ine kai i ergasia. H epetirida to ekane afto, isos ohi teleia, alla evaze mia kathara axiokratiki seira se diorismous kati pu to ASEP katirgise eisagontas stoihia tis perivoitis "antagonistikotitas" kai se afto ton tomea. "Antagonistitikothta" ine allos enas tropos na sou lene pos akoma kai to dhmosio prepi na leitourgisei san mia idiotiki epiheirisi pu prepei de kai kala na vgalei kerdos.

Ma etsi afineis ap'eksw to pio vasiko ap'ola!! Aftos pou proslamvaneis tha kanei ontws gia ti douleia pou tha ton proslaveis? To oti exei ena ptyxio diladi ti simainei, oti einai mia xara gia tin analogi thesi? Xese to "kerdos" tou dimosiou (pistepse me de perimene afto to dimosio gia na exei kerdi), ti ginetai me tin poiotita tis ypiresias pou tha mas parexei to dimosio?

Tin eksasfalize i epetirida?

Episis ypirxan apeirws perissoteroi tropoi na dioristei kapoios me komatika kritiria kai oxi me pragmatika!!
Alla gia mena to pio vasiko ap'ola einai oti kati pou prosomoiazei ena pragmatiko viografiko einai poly kalyteri lysi apo mia epetirida, oxi epeidi thelw na ginei to dimosio idiwtiki epixeirisi alla epeidi thelw na pigainw sti gamimeni tin eforia kai aftoi pou tha asxolithoun me mena THELW ONTWS NA TO KANOUN OI KARIOLIDES, GIATI DIMOSIO I OXI TO PLIRWNW!

Episis eimai 26, elpizw na mi sou fainomai mikros apo afta pou grafw an kai den tha to thewrousa apithano.

[necropethamenos]

i venizini afksise tin timi tis trella logw tis pro minwn krisis tous petrelaiou. I krisi efyge, i timi emeine - MONO STIN ELLADA. Eides kyrwseis? Eides otidipote? Oxi, apla plirwneis.
nie, kai sti Germania i timi oxi aplws den epese, alla synexizei na anevainei

sovara? egw simera evala me 87,5 lepta pantws.

[Ethir]

egw simera evala me 87,5 lepta pantws.
O re malaka se klevoun...ego ksero venzinadika me 79. Polla fraga man dineis...ti sta gamidia vazeis?

[necropethamenos]

apli amolyvdi. apla de mporw na epileksw se poio venzinadiko tha paw!

einai panta analoga me ti diadromi :?

[eyeamflesch]

kapia mera i europaiki enosi tha epivalei tin katalili forologia stin eklisia. Tote tha gelasoume poly me tous kathisterimenous xristianous pou tha vgoun stous dromous na iperaspistoun tin periousia ton papadon :D


aFto akougetai poly glyko kai omorfo, pes mou pliz oti exeis diabasei kati sxetika maFto kai den einai apla gouisfoul 8inkingk :)

[eyeamflesch]

ilpiza na ginei kati me tin allagi tis kivernisis...

san ti ilpizes dld na ginei? eidika twra me th nd sthn kivernish isa isa pou tha yposthrizei piotero to fasistotragopapa.
o karamanlis eixe afisei na ennoh8ei pos 8a balei to xristodoulo sti 8esi tou en kairw. ki afou tosa xronia apo to pasok den eida kamia tetoia prospa8eia, ilpiza sauto.
i teleutaia sou protasi einai teleiws akiri.

Ena poly simantiko patima tou Karamanli wste na ekseleXthei prwtypoyrgos itan i kai kala anithesi soy sto Pasok sto thema me tin kybernisi. Me alla logia, frontise na parei mazi toy toys pistoys Xristianoys. E, xazos einai na toys afisei twra poy toys pire?

[Estelle]

oi or8odoksoi monaxoi antegrafan ta erga twn arxaiwn ellinwn siggrafewn.
oi ka8olikoi den ksero ti kanane, alla prepei na iparxei para poly yliko pou exei "parakratisei" to vatikano kai fisika de 8a figei pote apo kei.

Θες να πεις ότι οι ορθόδοξοι μοναχοί εγραφάν ΕΠΑΝΩ στα αρχαιοελληνικά συγγράμματα κόπιες της βίβλου.

Ε, τι να πω... θα είχαν ξεμείνει από χαρτί/πάπυρο...whatever :roll:

[eyeamflesch]

Imaste ligo off-topic ine alitheia alla den variesai, tosa kai tosa kammena posts eho dei se afto to forum, toulahiston afto edo asholeitai me pragmatika zitimata...

Peri epetiridas; to dhmosio den ine idiotikos tomeas gia mena. Horis na arhizoume na mplekomaste se politikooikonomikes analiseis kai na kanoume quote ton Marx kai alla tetia tragelafika (tha itan yilogeloio se ena metal forum alloste) pistevo pos o rolos tou dhmosiou, akoma kai se ena "koinonikou" (antifasi or what alla tespa!) kapitalistikou tipou kratos pu den ehei omos akoma xefigei se kati apanthropo, ine na ekplironei vasikes anages ton politon tis ekastote horas. Mia vasiki anagi gia emena ine kai i ergasia. H epetirida to ekane afto, isos ohi teleia, alla evaze mia kathara axiokratiki seira se diorismous kati pu to ASEP katirgise eisagontas stoihia tis perivoitis "antagonistikotitas" kai se afto ton tomea. "Antagonistitikothta" ine allos enas tropos na sou lene pos akoma kai to dhmosio prepi na leitourgisei san mia idiotiki epiheirisi pu prepei de kai kala na vgalei kerdos. E ohi, ego afto den to dehomai, dhmosio shmainei kati pu anikei ston poli lao, stin megali plioyifeia tou kosmou kai ohi kati pu prepi na kerdizei pasi thisia me to na ipoferoun oi polloi kai na karponontai oi ligoi.

Peri exetaseon... Me thn logiki pu provalleis giati na min katargisume to panepistimio tote, afou afta pu mathainoume outos i allos tha exetastoun ekei pu metraei otan erthei i ora gia ASEP kai ohi noritera? H akoma kalitera, giati na min axiologoumaste oloi osoi mpume sto dhmosio kathe hrono me exetaseis, h isos kathe examino, h isos kai kathe mina?! Katalavaineis pu thelo na katalixo, prokeitai gia kati apanthropo pu siga siga mas dinoun na dokimasoume giati tha hirotereyei kai kati pu distihos tha to vroume mprosta mas...

Milises omws sa na xrisimopoiises quotes tou Marx (ama den mporeis na breis toulaxiston to ena simeio pezme na sto deiksw).

Pantws nomizw pws aFtoi pou milane gia to ASEP me kalytera logia apo,ti gia ton prokatoxo toy mallon theloyn na tonisoyn to gegonos pws to rousfeti kai to byzma kyriarxoysan sto deFtero.

Edit gia to proigoumeno post: ama eixa diabasei ta posts tou necro meta to post tou cancer pou quoteara mallon de tha posterna.

[enitharmon]

i venizini afksise tin timi tis trella logw tis pro minwn krisis tous petrelaiou. I krisi efyge, i timi emeine - MONO STIN ELLADA. Eides kyrwseis? Eides otidipote? Oxi, apla plirwneis.
nie, kai sti Germania i timi oxi aplws den epese, alla synexizei na anevainei

sovara? egw simera evala me 87,5 lepta pantws.
1,19 edw

(Eurw, oxi lepta)

[Raven Lord]

εγώ στα τρίκαλα χτες το απόγευμα γέμισα με 75 λεπτά... δεν ξέρω αν παίζει φτηνότερο βενζινάδικο στην ελλάδα :D

[Raven Lord]

στη συζήτηση τώρα, για την εκκλησία τα έχω πει και γενικά συμφωνώ με τους περισσότερους που εξέφρασαν την αντίθεσή τους σε πολλά από τα "κακώς κείμενά" της... αυτό που λέει ο αιθήρης περί μεριδίου από το κράτος αληθεύει... από τη στιγμή που όλο το προσωπικό των εκκλησιών (κλήρος, επίτροποι και τι σκατά ακόμη ανακατεύονται) πληρώνονται από την πολιτεία, να αμέσως αμέσως ένα τεράστιο κονδύλι που πάει χαμένο...

επίσης, το άλλο με τη διαδικασία των συνεχόμενων εξετάσεων, καταλαβαίνω τις ενστάσεις του νεκρο και των υπόλοιπων που είναι υπέρ του ΑΣΕΠ, αλλά ρε παιδιά, σκεφτείται πόσο απαξιώνονται τα πτυχία μας όταν ο άλλος έρχεται και σου λέει ότι παρόλο που τελείωσες το πανεπιστήμιο, πρέπει να περνάς από συνεχείς διαδικασίες εξετάσεων για να αποκτήσεις το δικαίωμα να ασχοληθείς με το αντικείμενό σου. τελοσπάντων, αυτό είναι μια τεράστια συζήτηση...

[rincewind2k]

wraia thatan na katargithei o asep otan pairnoun ptyxia ekpaideytikou mono osoi to aksizoun kai otan autoi pou tha didaskoun tha einai pragmatikoi daskaloi kai oxi dhmosioi ypallhloi.

[Raven Lord]

wraia thatan na katargithei o asep otan pairnoun ptyxia ekpaideytikou mono osoi to aksizoun kai otan autoi pou tha didaskoun tha einai pragmatikoi daskaloi kai oxi dhmosioi ypallhloi.

εννοείται αυτό... γι'αυτό λέω τεράστια συζήτηση. πρέπει ν'αλλάξει όλη η δομή και φιλοσοφία του εκπαιδευτικού μας συστήματος κτλ κτλ κτλ, για να μπορούν όλοι να απορροφηθούν αμέσως μόλις αποφοιτήσουν (και να καταργηθεί ο στρατός :P )


edit: επίσης, συμφωνώ ότι ο λαζόπουλος δεν είναι άξιος ν'ανεβάσει αριστοφάνη :P

[WoTaN]

an exeis 150.000 daskalous, alla mono 100.000 theseis tous ypoloipous ti tha tous kaneis?
Kaneis kialla sxolia.
A,kai o Fool mia xara ta pe.

[enitharmon]

mallon na auksisoume tis wres orthrografias sta sxolIa

kai paidia pou tha vroume? na antistoixei 1 daskalos se 10 paidia?

[WoTaN]

otan thes ola boroun na ginoun sta σχολιά.

[enitharmon]

necrouli thes na kanoume kati enantion tis ypogennitikotitas stin Ellada? :pink:

[rincewind2k]

1 daskalos se 10 paidia?

exm giati oxi?

[enitharmon]

giati den exoume ton proypologismo tis souhdias

[Ethir]

einai panta analoga me ti diadromi :?
Edo exeis dikio...eidika ama einai kai dianikterevon se gamaei patokorfa...

[Kingdom Gone]

basika na anaferw oti tin parastasi skinothetouse o arxifasistas kai karamalakas Mastorakis, opote den lypithika pou den egine auti kathauti. Allla to na kanei koumanto i ekklisia akomi einai eksorgistiko.

[The_Painless]

Βσκ, αν επρόκειτο για λιγότερο "mainstream figures", σιγά μη γινόταν όλο αυτό.

[WoTaN]

necrouli thes na kanoume kati enantion tis ypogennitikotitas stin Ellada? :pink:
Ama foras sakoula,mesa!! :pink:

[Chopped In Half]

δε γουστάρεις με ρούχα;

[WoTaN]

Me rouxa kai sakoula.

[Elfstone]

http://www.ydrohoos.gr/ekklisia.htm

Koryfaio!

(/me exei pesei sto diavasma :P )

[Deggial]

Kala to kserete to gnosto to thema pou egine tosos ntoros. San poli kratos den egine i poutana i eklisia. Telika mou fenete oti aftos o Xristodoulos kanei poli ipoulo polemo.
Prosopika pistevo oti i eksagogi ton evraion (lege me xristianismos) exei valthei na katastrepsei otidipote sxetizetai me tin elliniki istoria kai to elliniko pnevma.
To Xristodoulaki thelei thanato...

Κακώς μπερδεύεις τον χριστιανισμό (ως πίστη) με την οργανωμένη θρησκεία. Πολύ κακώς, επίσης, τολμά να αναμιγνύεται η Εκκλησία Ελλάδος κ Σια Α.Ε. σε πολιτικά ή άλλα θέματα.


kat arxin, o megas tragopapas ta exei toso kala me ti ND pou mono empodio de tha vrei. I ND an thymaste itan YPER tis anagrafis thriskevmatos stis taftotites (ta eixame ksana syzitisei, an thelei kapoios as vrei to analogo thread me tis apopseis mas epi tou thematos).

Το χείριστο είναι η χρήση της ιδιότητάς του για επηρρεασμό πολιτικών απόψεων. Είναι τρομερά ανήθικο να αναφέρει τις πολιτικές του απόψεις μέσα στο χώρο της εκκλησίας. Στις προσωπικές του συνεντεύξεις, ας κάνει ό,τι θέλει.



Paradeigmata: opws eipe kai o Ethir i ekklisia elegxei ta vivlia tou sxoleiou!
Apotelesma: to sxoleio se megalwnei na gineis me to zori xristianos!
Ama gineis kalos xristianos tha gineis kai kalos pelatis tou ekastote naou, kalos "patriwtis" mias kai tha exeis idi tin idiotita na MIN skeftesai orthlogika alla na dexesai akrita diafores paraloges ennoies i sypmlegmata ennoiwn


Το μάθημα των θρησκευτικών θα έπρεπε να είναι προαιρετικό, αν όχι ανύπαρκτο. Ή τουλάχιστον να αφιέρωνε ίσα ύλη για όλες τις διαδεδομένες θρησκείες.

Προς το παρόν, κατόπιν έγγραφης αίτησης του γονέα, μπορεί κάποιος να μη παρακολουθεί το εν λόγω μάθημα. Ωστόσο, ένα τέτοιο καθεστώς οδηγεί στην απομόνωση αλλόθρησκων μαθητών απ'το υπόλοιπο κοινωνικό σύνολο του σχολείου, ενίοτε και σε διακρίσεις των καθηγητών απέναντί του.

[Ethir]

Poli prama re... Kapia stigmi tha to diavaso...

[Gabriel]

Κακώς μπερδεύεις τον χριστιανισμό (ως πίστη) με την οργανωμένη θρησκεία.

Κακώς εσύ όμως, από την άλλη, αν αυτό επιθυμείς (λέω ΑΝ), προσπαθείς να ανακουφίσεις τον χριστιανισμό (ως πίστη) από τις ευθύνες του.

Ο χριστιανισμός (ως πίστη), όπως και όλες οι άλλες αποκαλυπτικές θρησκείες, έχει κάνει πολύ μεγαλύτερη ζημειά στον πλανήτη από την οργανωμένη θρησκεία. Και, φαντάσου, ότι η οργανωμένη πλευρά της θρησκείας δεν έχει κάνει και λίγα...

[Ethir]

Κακώς μπερδεύεις τον χριστιανισμό (ως πίστη) με την οργανωμένη θρησκεία. Πολύ κακώς, επίσης, τολμά να αναμιγνύεται η Εκκλησία Ελλάδος κ Σια Α.Ε. σε πολιτικά ή άλλα θέματα.
Me ekfrazei o apo pano...alla opos kai na exei to thema...Afenos den pistevo ston xristianismo...afeterou me kanei na ahdiazo i oli politiki ton eklision pou antiprosopevoun ton xristianismo. Opos exo ksanapei "kati ikseran oi romaioi" :D