Goodbye Lenin

[Vasilias]

To eixe sto Festival tou periodikou Cinema... To eide kaneis? Pote vgenei kanonika stous kinimatografous??? Muxune pei pws einai arketa sigkinitiko idietera pros to telos.

[ManWhoSoldTheWorld]

de to exw dei alla de borw na mi siblirwsw oti kapoia tragoudia sto ost (de kserw an einai ki olokliro) einai grammena apo ton THEO Yann Tiersen pou exei grapsei oli sxedon ti mousiki sto AMELIE

[morphine]

3 oktwvrh vgainei.

[Kveldssanger]

Eida xtes to trailer kai einai sigoura apo tis tainies poy thelo na do fetos...

[enitharmon]

tha ekana thread, alla me prolavate.

tin eida xtes se DVD kai einai mia apo tis kalyteres Germanikes tainies twn teleutaiwn etwn, exei omws ena "meionektima" :

theates pou zoun ektos Germanias kai den eixan syniditopoiisei ta xronia tis DDR, dyskola tha piasoun tis eirwnies, ton kynismo kai ta asteia tis tainias. Yparxoun arketa onomata kai katastaseis, ta opoia i genia mas den mporei na kserei (ektos ki an kapoios to exei psaksei poly). En oligois, gia na euxaristitheis 100% tin tainia prepei na eisai Germanos gyrw sta 30 kai akoma kalytera na exeis megalwsei sti DDR



p.s.: den to paizw eksypni, parolo pou me ta xronia exw mathei kapoia pragmata gia tin DDR, eida tin tainia me kapoion pou zouse sti dytiki Germania, asxoleite me tin politiki kai antipathei tous kommounistes, kai kathe 10 lepta gelouse, opote angkazomastan na patisoume "pause", prokeimenou na mou eksigisei ton ypainigmo kai to asteio!

still, I hope you enjoy it

[atom_smasher]

opote tha kanoume mia provolh gia na mas thn e3hghseis!!! xexe.

[Vasilias]

Enitharmon
Mporis na peis ena paradigma (pu na min xalaei tin tenia, kai grapse me kefalea pano pano "SPOILER DON'T READ THIS" gia na min to kitaksi opios dn thelei na mathi kamia skini apo tin tenia), sto lew apla gia na piasw to skeptiko su...

Otan les oti exeis asxolithi me tin DDR ti enoeis? Ti exeis diavasi?

Asxeta ama dn simfonw me apantaxou Stalinikous, einai alithia oti stin Anatoliki Germania to 25% psifizi to KK komma, ke merikoi dilonoune pws thatane kalitera na ksanaypsothi to tixos... auta!

[The_Painless]

Eni, na paw?

[freak brother]

eida tin tainia me kapoion pou zouse sti dytiki Germania, asxoleite me tin politiki kai antipathei tous kommounistes,

wraious filous exeis..

[enitharmon]

Mporis na peis ena paradigma (pu na min xalaei tin tenia, kai grapse me kefalea pano pano "SPOILER DON'T READ THIS" gia na min to kitaksi opios dn thelei na mathi kamia skini apo tin tenia), sto lew apla gia na piasw to skeptiko su...
To ergo exei polli kaustiki glwssa. P.x. anaferetai stin DDR ws "to euimeron kratos mas", enw einai profanes, oti eirwneuetai. 'H se ena allo simeio, otan o Alex pernaei ta synora apo A. pros D. Berolino (to teixos exei idi pesei) kai enw deixnei to diavatirio tou ston synoriako ypallilo leei (peripou) "i apodokimasia sto vlemma tou syntrofou edeixne pws prospathouse na prostatepsei emas tous ergates apo tin epafi me tous exthrous tis taksis mas". Auto einai asteio kai kaustiko dioti: i DDR ypostirize pws me tin apagoreusi eksodou apo ti xwra pros ti Dysi, kata vasi prostateue tous polites tis apo tin epafi me ton kapitalismo kai ti diavrwsi tou. :redwink: , kati to opoio fysika einai asteio!



Otan les oti exeis asxolithi me tin DDR ti enoeis? Ti exeis diavasi?
Den exw diavasei, alla syzitisei me autous pou ezisan tin katastasi. Me atoma pou ws efivoi zousan sto dytiko Berolino, me kapoion o opoios megalwse sto anatoliko Berolino kai ton valan kai se "anamorfwtirio", giati oi idees tou den itan arketa sosialistikes (vasika egrapsw mia mera se enan toixo "H DDR tha prepei na arxisei na sevetai ta anthrwpina dikaiwmata" kai ton mpaglarwsane gia 1,5 xrono) kai me kapoion megalytero, o opoios eixe syggeneis sto A.Berolino (kai pou anagkastika den mporouse na dei gia 30 peripou xronia, giati to teixos xtistike en mia nykti)



Asxeta ama dn simfonw me apantaxou Stalinikous, einai alithia oti stin Anatoliki Germania to 25% psifizi to KK komma, ke merikoi dilonoune pws thatane kalitera na ksanaypsothi to tixos... auta!
Alitheia einai. An einai 25% den kserw, alla einai para polloi, me ti diafora, pws to KK exei pleon kseftisei, akoma kai na kerdisoun tis ekloges, den mporoun na allaksoun ousiastika tipota, ola kinountai apo ta nimata tou kapitalismou. P.x. sto Berolino to KK einai deutero komma kai i topiki kyvernisi tou Berolinou apartizetai apo mia symmaxia sosialdimokratwn kai kommounistwn (malista o ypourgos oikonomikwn tou B. einai apo to KK). so what? den mporoun na allaksoun tipota.
Oso gia to teixos, polloi tempelides kai anikanoi na epizisoun sto antagwnistiko kapitalistiko paron, fysika kai teloun to teixos pisw, etsi wste na mi douleuoun kai par'ola auta na plirwnontai. Akoma kai dytikoi tha ithelan to teixos pisw (kai malista dyo fores pio psilo), giati den mporoun na apodexthoun tin anatoliki, prwin kommounistiki nootropia orismenwn anatolikwn, kathws episis, epeidi den einai diatethimenoi na plirwnoun akoma forous, prokeimenou na anadomithoun kai na anaptyxthoun ta anatolika kratidia.

[enitharmon]

eida tin tainia me kapoion pou zouse sti dytiki Germania, asxoleite me tin politiki kai antipathei tous kommounistes,

wraious filous exeis..
sorry re filaraki an se xalaw.....

@Pain: einai gamati tainia, alla ta Germanika einai poly epitideumena, kalytera daneisou to DVD kai des to me ypotitlous (ksexasa, oti den exeis tileorasi.... :s
pantws ta lefta sou den tha ta klais, merika pragmata ta katalavaineis, akoma ki an den ksereis gri germanika (liga omws)

[The_Painless]

Ela, ena mikro gri to 3erw :p
Ich komme Suzanne, ich bin aus Griechenland, ich verstehe nichts, sprechen Sie English, zahlen bitte, gibt es Suessstoff bitte, ich koennte keine Wohnung finden, ich moechte ein Piercing klp. lol

[Vasilias]

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"i apodokimasia sto vlemma tou syntrofou edeixne pws prospathouse na prostatepsei emas tous
ergates apo tin epafi me tous exthrous tis taksis mas". Auto einai asteio kai kaustiko dioti: i DDR ypostirize pws me tin apagoreusi eksodou apo ti xwra pros ti Dysi, kata vasi prostateue tous polites tis apo tin epafi me ton kapitalismo kai ti diavrwsi tou. , kati to opoio fysika einai asteio!"
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Otan leei exthrus tis "taksis mas" enoei fisika tin astiki taksi, diladi tin arxousa taksi (sto kapitalistiko sistima), kai otan leei "taksi mas" enoei thn ergatiki taksi, opote h protasi pu
les einai to idio me auto pou ipostirize h DDR.

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P.x. sto Berolino to KK einai deutero komma kai i topiki kyvernisi tou Berolinou apartizetai apo mia symmaxia sosialdimokratwn kai kommounistwn (malista o ypourgos oikonomikwn tou B. einai apo
to KK)
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Auto dn toksera, pantos gnorizw pws h Germania exei tin pio antidrastiki kivernisi auti ti stigmi stin Evropi (an ke prosopiki mu gnomi oti stin Ellada exoume tin pio antidrastiki kivernisi stin Evropi alla telospanton). Diatirw tis epifilaksis mu omws, tha to kitaksw ke tha su pw...
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"Oso gia to teixos, polloi tempelides kai anikanoi na epizisoun sto antagwnistiko kapitalistiko paron"
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Megalo lathos... tempelides giati? Se olo to anatoliko mplok h anergia htan sto 0 ke auto ofilete sto nomo opou o kathe anthropos exei dikeoma na dulepsi. H anergia einai genima threma tou kapitalismou opote ama einai kaneis tempelis malon yper tu kapitalismou tha mporuse nane (ante isos ke anarxikos, xwris na thelw na diastrevlosw auta pu lene).

Kai otan me to kalo tha erthi h wra gia epanastasi poso tempelides tha einai autoi pu tha simetexoun??? 'H moipos dn ikseres to meros peri epanastasis (sto lew auto giati milises gia
ekloges), gia allagi sto sosialistiko politiko-oikonomiko sistika meso tis kinovouleutikis odou milane ta sosialdimokratika kommata pou kati tetio dn exei gini POTE (extos apo tin periptosi tis Xilis tu Aliente pou anike sto Komunistiko Komma an kai apotixe mias ke egine praksikopima prosxediasmeno apo tis HPA, alla kai auto pou ginete (ginete?) twra stin Benezouela, alla ke ta 2 apotelun ksexoristi periptosi), diavase ta keimena tis Rozas Luxembourg (afu thes germanus) gia auto to thema.

Dn kaneis tipota allo (athela su vevea) apo to na anaparagis tin propaganda apo ta Mesa mazikis Eksimerosis, pou theoroune oti oi kommunistes einai atoma pou dn "antexoun" tin pragmatikotita
kai katafevgoun se outopistikes lisis. Auto einai telios anakrives ke diastrevlotiko, aferontas pliros kathe analisi, alla kai kathe dinatotitwn twn ergatwn na paroune tin eksusia sta xeria tus
ke na apofasizoune autoi gia to melon tus!
Oso gia to pios prepei na sevete ta anthrwpina dikeomata prosanatolizese se lathos politiko-oikonomiko sistima (an kai auto pou isxise stin SE ke stis alles anatolikes xwres dn einai sosialismos, alla kratikos kapitalismos, ama vreis pote kero diavase to "Kratikos kapitalismos stin Rossia" tou Tony Cliff, kai auto to vivlio sto protinw anti na diavasis Marx kai lenin gia na katalavis ti einai o pragmatikos sosialismos, mias ke tha xriazosun na diavasis perisotera apo 1 vivlia gia na mathis oti auto to ektroma dn ine sosialismos). (auto dn simenei oti amfisvitw ta megala thetika tis ESSD ke twn allwn xorwn tou "yparktoy", opws gia paradigma to gegonos pws to kalitero sistima ygeias to eixe h ESSD, ke meta tin ptwsi-anatropi ta inia pigan stin Kouva simfona me ta episima stixia tis UNESCO)

Opws vlepeis exw kanei kati parapano apo to na diavasw Marx-Lenin-Trotski (alla ke Stalin oso diskolo kian einai na diavasi kaneis keimena gemata emetikes aidies, opws einai ta kimena tou "atsaleniou"), ke auto malon mono TEMPELIKO dn einai etsi? Episis to na katevenei kaneis stus dromus kai na agwnizete gia ta dikeomata tou poso tempeliko einai?

[freak brother]

sorry re filaraki an se xalaw.....

apo tote pou sugnwmh xathike to filotimo
kai epishs to sugnwmh einai miso xesimo
euxaristw :)

[enitharmon]

Ela, ena mikro gri to 3erw :p
Ich komme Suzanne, ich bin aus Griechenland, ich verstehe nichts, sprechen Sie English, zahlen bitte, gibt es Suessstoff bitte, ich koennte keine Wohnung finden, ich moechte ein Piercing klp. lol
den ennousa esena, genika eipa

mazi me ta vasika emathes kai to ich m

[enitharmon]

@Vasilias: tha sou apantisw aurio, giati de sympathw katholou ti DDR, giati twra einai arga. pantws, me to "tempelides" den ennow olous tous aristerous, ennow autous pou en kairw DDR 5 atoma ekanan mia douleia pou tha mporousan na kanoun 2, opote fysika kai den douleuan toso oso autoi sti dytiki Germania kai twra tous kakofainetai pou prepei na douleuoun oso oloi.
i arxi "douleia gia olous" einai kali kai xrysi, alla ante dimiourgise toses theseis ergasias oso einai kai to ergatiko dynamiko. anagkastika perissotera atoma kanoun ti douleia pou tha mporouse na diekperaiwthei apo ligotera atoma kai me auto to systima den ordopwdei kanena dimokratiko kratos

[freak brother]

a re Velouxiwths pou sou xreiazete enitharmon...

[Vasilias]

Tsagozi drastiriopiise puthena? An nai pu?

[freak brother]

politika ennoeis? xexe exw filous sthn neolaia synaspismou :P

[The_Painless]

[quote=enitharmon]
den ennousa esena, genika eipa

mazi me ta vasika emathes kai to ich m

[enitharmon]

a re Velouxiwths pou sou xreiazete enitharmon...
fuck off freak brother

an exeis na antitakseis epixeirima, kanto kai pes ti gnwmi sou

me tetoies dilwseis omws, fuck off

[The_Painless]

Brhka shmera to Goodbye Lenin se dvd se ena katasthma edw alla den exei kan option gia english subtitles..opote den to phra. Elpizw na er8ei Ellada

[Kveldssanger]

Vgainei paraskeyi stous kinimatografos alla os gnhsios koultouriaris tha pao na do Underworld...

[Buddy Lackey]

To ergo einai poli kalo, kai marese pli
den mporw na katalavw pies eironies mporei na min epiase kapios afou oloi ligo poli kseroun ta vasika peri antithesis anatolikis/ditikis germanias klp ..
entipwsiako sto ergo itan to pws enalasontousan asteies kai dramatikes skines, i evrimatikotita tou tipa itan foveri kai to telos klasika evropaiko-eixe osi simasia eixe kai kathe proigoumeno defterolepto.
marese epishs to gegonos oti den eixe kanena stoixeio politikis thesis kai stin ousia kentrare stis epiptwseis tis olis katastasis se mia oikogeneia
na to deite einai poli oreo

[Kveldssanger]

To eida simera... Poly omorfh tainia, tis opoias to megalou atou einai akrivos h enallagh dramatos-komodias pou anefere o buddy... Poly sygkinitiki se shmeia kai me yperoxous xaraktires... Oi politikes anafores orismenes fores esfazan me to vamvaki an kai genika pisteyo oti perissotero eixe na kanei me tis anthropines sxeseis para me tin politiki ayth-katheayti... An kai den eixa paei me idiaitera kali diathesi ston kinimatografo, telika pragmatika tin eyxaristithika... Apo tis kalyteres epiloges tis epoxis...

(monadiki parafonia ekeino to atimo to mikrofono pou ekane tin emfanisi tou se orismenes skines :p)

[katwrimos]

Den exw diavasei, alla syzitisei me autous pou ezisan tin katastasi. Me atoma pou ws efivoi zousan sto dytiko Berolino, me kapoion o opoios megalwse sto anatoliko Berolino kai ton valan kai se "anamorfwtirio", giati oi idees tou den itan arketa sosialistikes (vasika egrapsw mia mera se enan toixo "H DDR tha prepei na arxisei na sevetai ta anthrwpina dikaiwmata" kai ton mpaglarwsane gia 1,5 xrono) kai me kapoion megalytero, o opoios eixe syggeneis sto A.Berolino (kai pou anagkastika den mporouse na dei gia 30 peripou xronia, giati to teixos xtistike en mia nykti)

Afto einai entelos analithes. Oi D. berolinaioi mporusan na mpoun sto A. verolino gia mia mera. Malista tin periodo tou apoklismou tou verolinou, i kivernisi tis DDR entharine tous ditikous verolinaious na kanoun ta psonia tous sto anatoliko. Episis merikes katigories politon tis DDR (px ilikiomenoi, reshearchers, atoma me stenous sigeneis sigeneis sto d. verolino) eixan dikaioma eisodu sto D. Verolino.

Eipame, ki ego antipatho to stalinismo alla oxi na leme oti malakia mas katevainei gia na dimiourgisoume entiposeis.

Kata ta alla xronia pola :)

[enitharmon]

gia na vgei kapoios apo to A.Berolino, afine panta kapoion syggeni pisw tou. an itan de oikogeneia, synithws emene to mikrotero paidi pisw.
de thymamai na eipa, pws apagoreuotan stous dytikous na mpainoun sto A.Berolino, an to eipa, lathos mou kai euxaristw gia tin episimansi.

[katwrimos]

nai sosti i diefkrinisi su. Apla eipes oti o filos su eixe sigeneis pu den tus eixe dei gia 30 xronia.

[Vasilias]

Para poli orea tenia, o Buddy Lackey me kalipti. Episis tha ithela na tonisw pws to Humour tis tenias einai pragmatika ekpliktiko. auta

[Solo Carriera]

tha thela na moun Vasilias sta paramythia tis giagias

[rat_poison]

MAJOR SPOILER GOODBYE LENIN
Gamath tainia, poly omorfo humor, teleia mousikh, mpla mpla mpla

Basika ayto poy exw na pw den exei sxesh me kritikh me thn tainia oso mia parathrhsh poy exw na kanw.
Moy fanhke oti eixe apisteytes anafores ston Kubric, kai ayto 8a to dikaiologhsw ws e3hs
1.) To leei se mia fash o kollhtos toy oti ena clipaki poy ekane se enan parakmiako gamo htan anafora sto odyssey of space
2.)To 3anakanei (xwris na mas to pei) paizontas to 8ema apo to Galazio Doynabh toy Strauss
3.)Se mia fash poy ftiaxnoyn to dwmatio ths mhteras toy exei thn idia moysikh an 8ymamai me thn partzoyza sto Koyrdisto Portokali kai einai gyrismeno grhgora akribws opws h skhnh sto koyrdisto portokali
4.)Otan toy leei na fwna3ei h gomena panw sthn taratsa, o typos fwnazei san maimoy akribws opws oi maimoydes sthn arxh toy Odyssey of Space
5.) Asxeto me Kubric, alla gamath fash. H tainia exei enan anaxronismo otan o kollhtos toy prwtagwnisth foraei mployza matrix, pragma adynato stis arxes twn 90s. Ayto logika to kanei giati kata enan tropo prospa8ei na balei th mana toy hrwa sto "matrix" toy palioy Anatolikoy Berolinoy.
Peite moy an lew blakeies, h an symfwneite

[Buddy Lackey]

epeidi eimai prikas kai einai kai i agapimeni mou tainia ever tha sou pw oti einai Space Odyssey :p

[enitharmon]

MAJOR SPOILER GOODBYE LENIN
Gamath tainia, poly omorfo humor, teleia mousikh, mpla mpla mpla

5.) Asxeto me Kubric, alla gamath fash. H tainia exei enan anaxronismo otan o kollhtos toy prwtagwnisth foraei mployza matrix, pragma adynato stis arxes twn 90s. Ayto logika to kanei giati kata enan tropo prospa8ei na balei th mana toy hrwa sto "matrix" toy palioy Anatolikoy Berolinoy.
Peite moy an lew blakeies, h an symfwneite
de les vlakeies. tin tainia tin exw dei se DVD kai exei kai polla extras. se ena apo auta mporeis na deis tin tainia kai se kapoies skines apo katw, vgainoun sxolia. otan ftanei i skini pou les, o skinothetis leei, pws den einai lathos (i mplouza ennow), alla tha mas to eksigisei argotera. i malakia einai, pws to DVD itan dwro, ta extras ta evlepa 4 to prwi kai den anteksa na dw oli tin tainia gia na diavasw ti ennouse o skinothetis.... isws na exeis kai dikio, pantws i mplouza itan epitides

[marianna2525]

omologo pos toso kairo zileva olous esas pou eidate afti tin yperohi tainia.
sti patra dystyhos kleinoun ena-ena ta mikra cinema, o kosmos pigainei sta polycinema gia na dei tis poly emporikes amerikanikes tainies.
tespa, telika irthe i tainia kai stin patra, tin eida htes.
sygkinithika gia pollous logous.

eiha paei gia proti fora sti dytiki germania prin 20 hronia, filoxenoumeni apo germanous, opote gnorisa kala ton "dytiko" politismo.
ton avgousto tou 1989, 2 mines prin tin ptosi tou teihous, taxidepsa me group se anatoliki kai dytiki germania, itan proti fora (kai teleftaia, opos allaxan oi katastaseis), pou pigaina se hora tou tote yparktou sosialismou.
oi entyposeis apo tin tote DDR itan anamiktes.
oi anthropoi zousan 50 hronia piso, mas plisiazan gia na mas zitisoun na agorasoun to eponymo bluejean mas i ta eponyma gyalia iliou, i gia antallagi anatolikogermanikon (tsigkinon) markon me dytika marka, se timi poly symferousa.
den to kaname, fovomastan ta plasta nomismata.
to xenodoheio sti leipsia pou meiname itan yperpolyteles vevaia, i vitrina gia tous touristes.
otan omos kykloforisame se diafores geitonies, eidame tin vroma kai tin dysodia pou ypirhe, kathos kai tin elleipsi vasikon katanalotikon agathon.
tha mou meinei i eikona ton 2 anatolikogermanidon, etsi opos me koitazan, kathos skoupiza ta heria mou me ena aromatiko hartomantilo pou eiha mazi mou, me koitazan ekpliktes, les kai krataga hrysafi (ennoeitai pos stis toualetes ton kratikon (tote) katastimaton, den ypirhe kan harti ygeias).

sto verolino vevaia dianykterefsame sti dytiki plevra.
pigame omos kai sto anatoliko verolino.
oi eleghoi sto perivoito check point charlie (synora) itan exonyhistikoi.
psaximo stis heiraposkeves, mas zitagan na vgaloume ta gyalia, gia na doun an imastan oi idioi me tin fotografia tou diavatiriou, mono xevrakoma den mas zitisan.
synolika mpikame kai vgikame 6 fores apo dytiki pros anatoliki germania, to taxidi mas itan odiko.
ilektrofora kalodia sta synora, ekeino ton kairo polloi anatolikogermanoi to eskagan stin tsehoslovakia kai apo kei sti dytiki germania.
mono oi syntaxiouhoi mporousan na episkeftoun tous syggeneis tous sti dytiki plevra.
tha mou meinei axehasti i eikona, otan pira ena leoforeio apo to dytiko verolino me katefthinsi tin anatoliki plevra, ithela na pao na do mia gefyra, opou ginontan antallagi kataskopon.
sti stasi tou leoforeiou itan olo geroi, oi misoi mpikan sto leoforeio gia na pane anatolika kai oi alloi pou emeinan tous hairetagan me dakrya kai me mantilia.
ego me ti fili mou vevaia pigame meta kai kathisame sto hard rock cafe stin kurfuesterdamm (dytiko verolino).

sas leo ola ta arnitika, to xero, itan gia mena ashimi prosgeiosi oi hores tou yparktou sosialismou.
anagnorizo omos, pos stin tote DDR den ypirhe anergia, ola itan kratika, opote to kratos edine se olous ergasia (eidate stin tainia ti ekanan oi anergoi meta tin enopoiisi, alloi epsahnan sta skoupidia gia fagito, alloi eginan alkoolikoi, klp).
eftaigan oi anthropoi? ohi vevaia.
pos na prosarmosteis sto kapitalistiko systima, otan tosa eheis mathei na sta prosferei ola to kratos...
to kratos pareihe se olous ergasia, katoikia, ekpaidefsi, ygeia.
ohi kata ta dytika protypa, alla ta aparaitita.
o kosmos omos ithele ta dytika proionta, eidate stin tainia pos epesan oloi stin yperkatanalosi...
den eihan adiko, thymamai kati omorfes xenodoheiakes ypallilous stin DDR me kati hondra kalson, apo afta pou forane oi giagiades to kataheimono (gi'afto kai o iroas tis tainias hazeve tis gampes tis nosokomas, otan irthan ta dytika kai thilyka kalson).
kai vevaia to megalo drama itan, otan kapoioi tin kopanpousan sta dytika.
eidame stin tainia, pos dialythike i oikogeneia.
eiha valei ta klamata, otan evlepa sto potami kerakia, sta simeia opou dolofonithikan kapoioi anatolikoi fygades (ta kerakia itan sti dytiki plevra).

afou eidame tin tainia, den eiha orexi gia fagito kai perissotero havale me tin parea mou, gyrisa spiti kai koitaga tis fotografies pou eihame vgalei sto teihos tou verolinou ton avgousto tou 1989 kai fysika eklapsa...

[enitharmon]

eklapses giati? gia tin ptwsi tou sosialismou? gia tous anthrwpous pou exasan ti zwi tous?

[freak brother]

asxeto alla h Kouva pou einai mia apo is 3 an den apatwme koumounistikes xwres exei to kalutero ugeionomiko susthma ston kosmo.. kai evlepa xtes sta nea oti anakalupsan kai ena emvolio gia thn mhnnigkitida.. epishs h kina exei san prosxhma pleon ton koumounismo kai h voreio korea apo ntokumanter pou xw dei einai akoma sthn dekaetia tou 70 kanonika.. se 5-10 xronia tha doun oti yparxei kai egxrwmh tv..
yparktos koumounismos sux

[marianna2525]

eklapses giati? gia tin ptwsi tou sosialismou? gia tous anthrwpous pou exasan ti zwi tous?

eklapsa giati thymithika to drama ton anatolikogermanon, otan efevgan sti dysi anazitontas kalytero mellon (kai gia kapoious vevaia afti i prospatheia itan anepityhis, ehasan ti zoi tous), gia to oti eihan elleipsi vasikon agathon tou 20ou aiona, alla kai giati meta tin enopoiisi ehasan to mpousoula (anergia, ftoheia, anodos ton naziston, alla kai torini anodos ton kommouniston (mipos theloun na xanagyrisoun sta palia?).

alla kai to thema tis tainias evgaze gelio kai klama taftohrona.

[Raven Lord]

asxeto alla h Kouva pou einai mia apo is 3 an den apatwme koumounistikes xwres exei to kalutero ugeionomiko susthma ston kosmo

είναι επίσης, ανάμεσα στις πρώτες χώρες όσων αφορά τους κοινωνικούς δείκτες. καθόλου ανεργία, χαμηλή εγκληματικότητα, ανύπαρκτος αναλφαβητισμός κτλ... αφού την έχει βγάλει σχετικά καθαρή παρά τα 50 χρόνια του αμερικανικού εμπάργκο και την πτώση του κύριου τροφοδότη της (ΕΣΣΔ), δεν ξέρω που μπορεί να φτάσει. βέβαια, υπάρχει φτώχεια, αλλά κανείς δεν πεινάει και κανείς δε σκοτώνεται στη δουλειά για χάρη δυτικών πολυεθνικών.

το περίεργο είναι ότι ο κάστρο δεν ήταν κομμουνιστής όταν κατέλαβε την εξουσία, αλλά το εμπάργκο της δύσης τον έστρεψε στη μόνη επιλογή που είχε για να επιβιώσει, τη συμμαχία με τη σοβιετική ένωση... τέλοσπάντων, ξέφυγα αρκετα off topic

[marianna2525]

kati pou thymithika akoma apo tin tote DDR.
oi ethnikoi tous dromoi den eihan kamia skesi me tis "autobahnen" tis dytikis germanias, eihan meinei stin propolemiki katastasi.
entyposi mou prokalese to dyskampto odostroma, to edafos den apaitouse tetoia kataskevi.
ti les esy Raven Lord?
(tora me epiase i epaggelmatiki diastrofi) :lol:

[Raven Lord]

entyposi mou prokalese to dyskampto odostroma, to edafos den apaitouse tetoia kataskevi.
ti les esy Raven Lord?
(tora me epiase i epaggelmatiki diastrofi) :lol:

αν δεν κάνω λάθος, εκεί πρέπει να έχουν πρόβλημα με το πάγωμα του εδάφους, που συμβαίνει όταν η θερμοκρασία παραμένει κάτω από το 0 για παραπάνω από 2 εβδομάδες. αυτό σημαίνει διόγκωση των αργιλικών στρώσεων του εδάφους λόγω του νερού που περιέχουν και επομένως καταστροφή του οδοστρώματος. η χρήση οπλισμένου σκυροδέματος ίσως να μετριάζει το μέγεθος της καταστροφής. ίσως πάλι να είχαν πληθώρα υλικών για την κατασκευή σκυροδέματος και να το προτίμησαν, ποτέ δεν ξέρεις με τις κομμουνιστικές χώρες... :) σίγουρα, πάντως, στην ελλάδα δεν είμαστε και οι πλέον ειδικοί στα δύσκαμπτα οδοστρώματα αφού το 99,9% των δικών μας είναι εύκαμπτα και ημιάκαμπτα, οπότε δεν ασχολούμαστε καν :)

ΥΓ: sorry από τους άλλους για την άσχετη παρένθεση :P

[marianna2525]

thanx gia tin pliroforia giorgo!
girasko aei didaskomeni! :)

[Raven Lord]

thanx gia tin pliroforia giorgo!
girasko aei didaskomeni! :)

όλα στο όνομα της επιστήμης :P :lol:

[The_Painless]

German film scoops European prize

German hit movie Good Bye, Lenin! has won six prizes at the European Film Awards, including best film.
The film is a bittersweet comedy about a son who cares for his mother in a coma, recreating Communist East Berlin in their home when she wakes up.

It also won the best actor award for star Daniel Bruhl and best screenwriter for Bernd Lichtenberg.

Charlotte Rampling was named best actress at the festival, and Lars von Trier won best director.

Good Bye, Lenin! also won three "people's choice" awards - for which cinema-goers throughout Europe voted via the internet and ballots at cinemas.

Director Wolfgang Becker won the public's prize for best director, Daniel Bruhl was voted best actor and Katrin Sass best actress.

Good Bye, Lenin! topped Germany's box office this year with 6.5 million tickets sold and was popular in the UK and France.

The European Film Academy, which runs the awards, is made up of 1,600 members from European film boards, subsidy agencies and industry professionals.

Για όποιον ενδιαφέρεται για τα υπόλοιπα - η συνέχεια του άρθρου:

Best actress

Charlotte Rampling was named best actress for her role in Swimming Pool at the Berlin ceremony on Saturday.

She plays a prim English novelist getting away from it all at her publisher's villa in the south of France, only to find her peace interrupted by the arrival of the publisher's feisty teenage daughter.

She triumphed over some of Britain's best veteran female talent.

Dame Helen Mirren, 58, was nominated for Calendar Girls and Anne Reid, 68, for her role in The Mother, in which she plays a widow who begins an affair with her daughter's young lover.

The best director award went to Lars von Trier for his controversial film Dogville, which stars Nicole Kidman.

The movie also won the best cinematography prize.

[freak brother]

THN ANAKALYPSAN KAI STHN AGGLIA!!!
mpravo agglike lae..thn paizei sto cinema stnn polh mou kathe tetarth mono gia kana duo vdomades..

[president]

se poia poli eisai?

[marianna2525]

THN ANAKALYPSAN KAI STHN AGGLIA!!!
mpravo agglike lae..thn paizei sto cinema stnn polh mou kathe tetarth mono gia kana duo vdomades..

telika fainetai pos yparhoun kai heiroteres poleis sto kosmo, ektos apo tin patra.
mipos oi aggloi ypologisan stis eispraxeis pou tha kanei i tainia, tora pou mazepse vraveia?

[ManWhoSoldTheWorld]

egw padws patra to eida. h tainia spernei. ola gamane. Ta veso einia kalitera apo ta village .-
eidika i skini me to lenin einai OLA ta lefta

[marianna2525]

Και εγώ στα europlex της Πάτρας το είδα, η ειρωνεία μου ήταν για το ότι προβλήθηκε με μεγάλη καθυστέρηση στην Πάτρα, κάπου πίστευα πως ίσως δεν θα παιζόταν καν στην Πάτρα, όπου πλέον σπάνια βλέπουμε ποιοτικές και μη εμπορικές ταινίες.
Ευτυχώς που το Good Bye Lenin ήταν ποιοτική και εμπορική ταινία...