Euthanasia

[cancer]

Kyriws gia atoma se proxorimeni ilikia, me bebarymeni ygeia (kai se mi anastrepsimi katastasi).
Simantiki kai i sinainesi tou amesa endiaferomenou (tin opoia omws polles fores de mporei na dosei).
H efarmogi tis stin ollandia, toulaxiston, aposo ksero, eksipiretei (kai) oikonomika to kratos, afou glitwnontai ta eksoda se farmaka ktl (pou prepei na ginoun, ka8ws exoun pliro8ei ta asfalistra apo tous polites).


ps: an exei ksanaginei topic, spm.

[The_Painless]

Εννοείται. Κι όχι μόνο για τις περιπτώσεις που αναφέρεις.

[psychotron]

nai

[morphine]

nai.

[Buddy Lackey]

einai dikaiwma, alla den eimai yper ths.

[FIXXXER]

Diladi?

[Buddy Lackey]

Diladi o kathenas ama thelei prepei na exei ayth thn epilogh, alla den theorw egw swsth thn praksh ths.

[Ethir]

Nai...den tha kathiso na to analiso giati sikonei megali sizitisi. Alla nai...

[WoTaN]

Oxi...
Oute egw tha analisw to giati.

[cancer]

otan les "oxi" ennoeis oti diafoneis me tin euthanasia akoma kai se periptoseis stis opoies to atomo exei dosei ti sigkata8esi tou?

[pitchfork]

Χαλαρά ναι.
Θα ήθελα να είχα αυτή την επιλογή στην περίπτωση που γεννιόμουν ολυμπιακός...

[Kingdom Gone]

Ναι.

[AngelOfSorrow]

olympiakos i skwlikas....

[WoTaN]

otan les "oxi" ennoeis oti diafoneis me tin euthanasia akoma kai se periptoseis stis opoies to atomo exei dosei ti sigkata8esi tou?
Nai.

[cancer]

giati den to aitiologeis?

[WoTaN]

Einai kathara prosopiko to kollima.Den maresei na vlepw anthropous pou katw apo duskolies (oso megales kian einai) to vazoun katw kai lipopsixoun.
Stand Up And Fight,Live By Your Heart.
Kai sto katw katw den eisai esu autos poy tha krinei oti prepei na pethaneis.

[cancer]

as paroume mia teleiws ipothetiki katastasi
exeis sklirinsi kata plakas (oxi esy, genika).
eisai katakoitos.
pe8aineis.
de ginetai tpt.
me odigo to heart of steel 8a prospa8iseis na nikiseis? na nikiseis ti?

an de mporeis na krineis esy gia to an prepei/eftase h ora na pe8aneis tote poios mporei? o 8eos mipos?

opoios pairnei mia tetoia apofasi de lipopsyxei, arneitai tin anapofeukti somatiki tou eksathliwsi kai ksepesmo k epilegei ena aksioprepestero telos.

i'm gay. teleiws malakismeno post.

[Enehy]

an kai me problhmatizei to 8ema kai 8elei polu analush apo ka8e apopsh, pshfisa nai.
bebaia kati tetoio prepei na ginetai otan o as8enhs pasxh apo aniath makroxronia as8enia pou outws h allws 8a ton odhghsei ston 8anato.....
alla kai pali me poio dikaioma afairoume ti zwh mas............ einai san autoktonia..............

[_UnHoLyMaRtYr_]

an 8es na autoktonhseis, giati na mhn to kaneis?

[Deggial]

Εάν το ζητήσει ο ασθενής και απαιτείται η συμβουλή ψυχολόγου πριν την απόφαση, τότε σαφώς είμαι υπέρ. Δε βρίσκω κανένα ιδιαίτερο λόγο να τυρρανιέται κάποιος, ιδιαίτερα σε μεγάλες ηλικίες.

[WoTaN]

as paroume mia teleiws ipothetiki katastasi
exeis sklirinsi kata plakas (oxi esy, genika).
eisai katakoitos.
pe8aineis.
de ginetai tpt.
me odigo to heart of steel 8a prospa8iseis na nikiseis? na nikiseis ti?

an de mporeis na krineis esy gia to an prepei/eftase h ora na pe8aneis tote poios mporei? o 8eos mipos?

opoios pairnei mia tetoia apofasi de lipopsyxei, arneitai tin anapofeukti somatiki tou eksathliwsi kai ksepesmo k epilegei ena aksioprepestero telos.

i'm gay. teleiws malakismeno post.
Egw tha to paleua prosopika,oso kian ixera oti den eixe ofelos.Den to vazw pote katw..Tin zwi den tin apofasizeis esu pote tha tin apoktiseis epomenws den einai kai swsto na apofasiseis pote tha tin steritheis.

[eyeamflesch]

Stin teliki, an oxi eFthanasia, tote irwini (alla kostos ypsilo :/).

[Deggial]

Ειδικά στο θέμα των ηλικιωμένων, δε καταλαβαίνω τη σύγχρονη νοοτροπία. Κάποια στιγμή, ο οργανισμός δεν αντέχει άλλο, τι να κάνουμε, να τον κρατάμε τον άλλο "ζωντανό" με σωληνάκια πάνω σε ένα κρεββάτι για τρεις επιπλέον μήνες (το ζωντανός σε εισαγωγικά, διότι να κάθεσαι ακίνητος σε ένα κρεββάτι δεν είναι ακριβώς ζωή) μόνο και μόνο γιατί "φοβόμαστε να τον χάσουμε" είναι άκρως εγωϊστικό.

[FIXXXER]

Egw tha to paleua prosopika,oso kian ixera oti den eixe ofelos.Den to vazw pote katw..Tin zwi den tin apofasizeis esu pote tha tin apoktiseis epomenws den einai kai swsto na apofasiseis pote tha tin steritheis.

H zoi tou kathenos einai 100% diki tou anexartita apo thriskeutika pisteuo kai filosofikes proseggiseis... einai to mono pragma pou sou anikei giati ousiastika einai esy. An de sou anikei o eautos sou tote den uparxeis. Kai pistepse me, oraia kai kala tora pou eisai sto anthos tis ilikias sou kai vlepeis oti tha paleues upo opoiesdipote sunthikes, alla an de boreis na kouniseis tipota apto soma sou kai exeis to mualo sou na upoleitourgei tote polu apla apofasizeis me varia kardia oti ftanei gia sena...

Einai polu oxumoro na theoreis oti den apofasizeis pote tha steritheis tin zoi sou, alla parola auta na theoreis oti prepei na polemiseis gia na kratitheis se autin oso perissotero ginetai...

[Weiss]

Epishs se polu asxhmes periptwseis (thumamai mia tupissa pou htan anaphrh apo to laimo kai katw - den mporouse na autoktonhsei kai ekane aithsh gia euthanasia kai ths to arnhthike to diethnes dikasthrio ths xaghs) sigoura aisthanesai kai varos stous allous. Dld, prepei na se ntanteuoun, na ksodeuoun lefta, ktl. Kai de lew, profanws ta paidia sou/suggeneis sou/kontinoi sou anthrwpoi to kanoun me thn kardia tous, egw omws pisteuw tha eniwtha pragmatika oti de thelw na zw an htan na eimai toso varos.
Gia tetoies periptwseis sunepws sumfwnw.
Apo thn allh, sumfwnw mono otan milame gia xwres me polu kalo dikastiko/koinwniko susthma, giati mporei na xrhsimopoihthei h euthanasia *sxetika* eukola gia kakous skopous.

[Stormrider]

eimai kata tis thanatikis pinis se kapies periptosis einai poio anthropino na skotwseis kapion para na ton afiseis na ponaei kai na ipoferei...

logo ilikias einai malakia na ginete euthanasia gia ton logo oti einai igieia na zeis polla xronia..

logo igias? axmmmmm...

(erwsi pou edina pannelinies eixa diavasei giafto to thema...kai mporw na pw pws mperdeftika..)

p.x otan kapios einai se komma gia megalo xroniko diastima protinoun tin
fthanasia gia glitosoun ta exwda..giati tou aferite to dikaiwma na zei?

p.x2 otan kapios exei travmatistei para poli sovara apo kapio troxeo kai i emoragia einai megali kai den iparxun elpides ,sinfonw na ginei efthanasia giati o athropos aftos zei ena vassanistirio...

an sigkrinoume afta ta 2 paradigmata iparxei antifasi....
pistevete pws o athropos einai orimos na apantisei se mia erwtisi enos giatrou..("i kaliteri lisi einai i efthanasia")?

stin simerini epoxi tya panta ta kanonizoun oi alloi...
na min kanonizoun kai tis zwes mas...

[The_Painless]

Σας γαμάμε οι "ναι"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Deggial]

p.x otan kapios einai se komma gia megalo xroniko diastima protinoun tin
fthanasia gia glitosoun ta exwda..giati tou aferite to dikaiwma na zei?


Συγγνώμη, αλλά αυτό δεν είναι ακριβώς ζωή. Εάν δεν υπάρχουν (εγγυημένα) ελπίδες ανάρρωσης, δε βλέπω το λόγο διαττήρησης του σε αυτή την κατάσταση.

[Stormrider]

i epistimi kanei thavmata..
prin apo kapia xronia kaneis den perimenw pws mkapies arwsties tha giatrevontousan...alal polla apo tote exoun alaxei...

efxomai kanenas mas na min kmpeis se afton ton pirasmo..

oso zw elpizw..

[AngelOfSorrow]

an einai na exw karkino kai na giatreytw me ximeiotherapeies,na mou peseoun ta mallia,kai na min mporw na kanw oute ta misa aposa ekana prin,tote to skeftesai an a3izei....

pragmatika tetoies faseis theloun tromero kouragio gia na ziseis opws tromero kouragio thelei kai gia na dwseis tin egkrisi sou gia eythanasia.....

[cancer]

an einai na exw karkino kai na giatreytw me ximeiotherapeies,na mou peseoun ta mallia,kai na min mporw na kanw oute ta misa aposa ekana prin,tote to skeftesai an a3izei....

pragmatika tetoies faseis theloun tromero kouragio gia na ziseis opws tromero kouragio thelei kai gia na dwseis tin egkrisi sou gia eythanasia.....
tromeri malakia 8elei, na protimas mia tetoia zoi apo to 8anato.

[AngelOfSorrow]

ayto lew ki egw....

makria apo mas paides,kai makria apolous genikotera....

se tetoies faseis trelenomai kai travaw ta gamwstayridia kai mono pou akouw tetoies katastaseis

[Ghoul]

eimai kata tis thanatikis pinis se kapies periptosis einai poio anthropino na skotwseis kapion para na ton afiseis na ponaei kai na ipoferei...

logo ilikias einai malakia na ginete euthanasia gia ton logo oti einai igieia na zeis polla xronia..

logo igias? axmmmmm...

(erwsi pou edina pannelinies eixa diavasei giafto to thema...kai mporw na pw pws mperdeftika..)

:offtopic: ?

symphwnw me Weiss.

[enitharmon]

kanonika eimai yper tou nai (ennow, o kathenas mporei na kanei o,ti thelei me ti zwi tou)

prin dyo meres mou pethane akoma ena psari apo "sapisma" lepiwn. otan to proseksa, itan sta teleutaia tou kai ton evgala amesws apo to enydreio kai ton evala se allo doxeio me nero, gia na min ton fane ta alla psaria. Mesa sto doxeio itan fanero, oti vasanizotane, den mporouse na anapneusei kala, itan sxedon synexws plagiasta kai diirkese arketes wres mexri na psofisei. Hksera, oti den yparxei periptwsi na swthei, alla de mou pigaine oute na ton vgalw apo to nero, oute na tou kopsw to kefali, opws protinoun ws grigoro thanato.

Olo auto to katevato gia na pw, pws den mporesa na "apallaksw apo ton pono tou" oute ena psari, poso mallon na traviksw tin priza apo kapoion astheni. An to psari pidouse mono tou eksw apo to nero omws, de tha to ksanaevaza mesa.

Genika elpizw na mi vrethw se auto to dillima pote.

[Ghoul]

An to psari pidouse mono tou eksw apo to nero omws, de tha to ksanaevaza mesa.

ti se kanei na pisteueis oti tha mporouse na to kanei auto apo mono tou?
(mporouses na tou dwseis ena xeri vohtheias omws... :P )

[enitharmon]

An to psari pidouse mono tou eksw apo to nero omws, de tha to ksanaevaza mesa.

ti se kanei na pisteueis oti tha mporouse na to kanei auto apo mono tou?

ghoul eisai ilithios?

[Ghoul]

Mesa sto doxeio itan fanero, oti vasanizotane, den mporouse na anapneusei kala, itan sxedon synexws plagiasta kai diirkese arketes wres mexri na psofisei. Hksera, oti den yparxei periptwsi na swthei... mpla mpla mpla

akomh pisteueis oti yphrxe periptwsh na phdage apth gyala xwris vohtheia to sygkekrimeno psari? :|

[WoTaN]

Egw tha to paleua prosopika,oso kian ixera oti den eixe ofelos.Den to vazw pote katw..Tin zwi den tin apofasizeis esu pote tha tin apoktiseis epomenws den einai kai swsto na apofasiseis pote tha tin steritheis.

H zoi tou kathenos einai 100% diki tou anexartita apo thriskeutika pisteuo kai filosofikes proseggiseis... einai to mono pragma pou sou anikei giati ousiastika einai esy. An de sou anikei o eautos sou tote den uparxeis. Kai pistepse me, oraia kai kala tora pou eisai sto anthos tis ilikias sou kai vlepeis oti tha paleues upo opoiesdipote sunthikes, alla an de boreis na kouniseis tipota apto soma sou kai exeis to mualo sou na upoleitourgei tote polu apla apofasizeis me varia kardia oti ftanei gia sena...

Einai polu oxumoro na theoreis oti den apofasizeis pote tha steritheis tin zoi sou, alla parola auta na theoreis oti prepei na polemiseis gia na kratitheis se autin oso perissotero ginetai...

Sauto diafwnw kathetos kai orizontiws.
Kai exei diafora i zwi apo ton eauto sou.

[WoTaN]

kanonika eimai yper tou nai (ennow, o kathenas mporei na kanei o,ti thelei me ti zwi tou)

prin dyo meres mou pethane akoma ena psari apo "sapisma" lepiwn. otan to proseksa, itan sta teleutaia tou kai ton evgala amesws apo to enydreio kai ton evala se allo doxeio me nero, gia na min ton fane ta alla psaria. Mesa sto doxeio itan fanero, oti vasanizotane, den mporouse na anapneusei kala, itan sxedon synexws plagiasta kai diirkese arketes wres mexri na psofisei. Hksera, oti den yparxei periptwsi na swthei, alla de mou pigaine oute na ton vgalw apo to nero, oute na tou kopsw to kefali, opws protinoun ws grigoro thanato.

Olo auto to katevato gia na pw, pws den mporesa na "apallaksw apo ton pono tou" oute ena psari, poso mallon na traviksw tin priza apo kapoion astheni. An to psari pidouse mono tou eksw apo to nero omws, de tha to ksanaevaza mesa.

Genika elpizw na mi vrethw se auto to dillima pote.

enitharmon eisai ilithia?

[Stormrider]

eimai kata tis thanatikis pinis se kapies periptosis einai poio anthropino na skotwseis kapion para na ton afiseis na ponaei kai na ipoferei...

logo ilikias einai malakia na ginete euthanasia gia ton logo oti einai igieia na zeis polla xronia..

logo igias? axmmmmm...

(erwsi pou edina pannelinies eixa diavasei giafto to thema...kai mporw na pw pws mperdeftika..)

:offtopic: ?

symphwnw me Weiss.


grapse lathos...

sto thanatiki pini bale efthanasia

[enitharmon]

Mesa sto doxeio itan fanero, oti vasanizotane, den mporouse na anapneusei kala, itan sxedon synexws plagiasta kai diirkese arketes wres mexri na psofisei. Hksera, oti den yparxei periptwsi na swthei... mpla mpla mpla

akomh pisteueis oti yphrxe periptwsh na phdage apth gyala xwris vohtheia to sygkekrimeno psari? :|
den mporeis na katalaveis, oti itan sxima logou (alligoria)

[chris_boss]

as paroume mia teleiws ipothetiki katastasi
exeis sklirinsi kata plakas (oxi esy, genika).
eisai katakoitos.
pe8aineis.
de ginetai tpt.
me odigo to heart of steel 8a prospa8iseis na nikiseis? na nikiseis ti?

an de mporeis na krineis esy gia to an prepei/eftase h ora na pe8aneis tote poios mporei? o 8eos mipos?

opoios pairnei mia tetoia apofasi de lipopsyxei, arneitai tin anapofeukti somatiki tou eksathliwsi kai ksepesmo k epilegei ena aksioprepestero telos.

i'm gay. teleiws malakismeno post.
Egw tha to paleua prosopika,oso kian ixera oti den eixe ofelos.Den to vazw pote katw..Tin zwi den tin apofasizeis esu pote tha tin apoktiseis epomenws den einai kai swsto na apofasiseis pote tha tin steritheis.
nomizw oti to poll den exei na kanei me to an 8a epilegate i oxi eu8anasia alla an 8a prepei na 8ewreitai nomimi.
as me dior8wsei o author tou thread an kanw la8os

[Angrafan]

criss boss mhn ksexnas omws oti o kathenas mas tha mporouse na vrethei s'afth th thesh kapote,

[BeBiT]

cant really say

[Dragonlord]

Stin teliki, an oxi eFthanasia, tote irwini (alla kostos ypsilo :/).
aheahah αγριεμένε ανάπηρε

Ψήφισα ναι,αν και όχι με το χέρι στην καρδιά καθότι born again christian.

[eyeamflesch]

Stin teliki, an oxi eFthanasia, tote irwini (alla kostos ypsilo :/).
aheahah αγριεμένε ανάπηρε

Ψήφισα ναι,αν και όχι με το χέρι στην καρδιά καθότι born again christian.

Ginikies Xristianos?

[Faery]

ey8anasia = fonos me wraio onoma for me.

[eyeamflesch]

ey8anasia = fonos me wraio onoma for me.

:faskelo: for you :wink:

[Faery]

/me trabaei mallia eyeamflesh.
kai gt faskelo parakalw?

[BeBiT]

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000002TPS.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Faery]

LOL nice...

[Twisted_Bassist]

i omospondia nekrofilwn leei NAI stin efthanasia....idika ama exeis gripi kai eisai 20xroni kouklara prepei na pethaneis....






























ok stamataw tis kafriles....psifizw nai gia periptwseis oi opoies einai mi anastrepsimes kai to mono pou ginete einai na tiranieai o astheneis...afta

[The_Painless]

Δεν ήξερα ότι το Cosmopolitan καλύπτει και τέτοια θέματα πλέον.

[rincewind2k]

i omospondia nekrofilwn leei NAI stin efthanasia....idika ama exeis gripi kai eisai 20xroni kouklara prepei na pethaneis....






























ok stamataw tis kafriles....psifizw nai gia periptwseis oi opoies einai mi anastrepsimes kai to mono pou ginete einai na tiranieai o astheneis...afta

για τις περιπτώσεις ανίατης μη αναστρέψιμης διανοητικής υστέρησης τι γνώμη έχεις;

[Twisted_Bassist]

na se skotwsoun...einai mi anastrepsimo...

[eyeamflesch]

/me trabaei mallia eyeamflesh.
kai gt faskelo parakalw?

Giati eipes mpourditsa bre :)

[Kingdom Gone]

http://jaquetteworld.chez.tiscali.fr/images/cd_audio/metallica_kill_em_all-front.jpg

[jimid]

:headbang2: :headbang2: :headbang2:

[Faery]

Exm, yurushi de se katalabainw. ;p
Ergo twn giatrwn einai na prospa8hsoun na kanoun h na krathsoun kapoion kala etsi k alliws ,k oxi na skotwnoun. An kapoios 8elei ey8anasia, mporei kai monos tou na aytoktonhsei mia xara..

[Kingdom Gone]

Αυτοκτόνα εσύ όταν είσαι σε κώμα ή είσαι παράλυτος ή δεν μπορείς να κουνηθείς από τους πόνους και μετά τα ξαναλέμε.

[psychotron]

Αυτοκτόνα.. ..και μετά τα ξαναλέμε.
:D

[Faery]

De m aresei pou to lew, alla an kapoios to 8elei polu, mporei na to kanei akoma k an einai paralytos.

[psychotron]

"8a krathsw thn anapnoh mou mexri na apofasisete na me autoktonhsete"


















sorry gia to spamarisma, m' exei piasei h malakia mou :D :D :D

[Kingdom Gone]

De m aresei pou to lew, alla an kapoios to 8elei polu, mporei na to kanei akoma k an einai paralytos.

Αν είναι παράλυτος από τη μέση και κάτω ναι, αν και όχι το ίδιο εύκολα με κάποιον με πλήρη κινητικότητα (ανάλογα τον τρόπο αυτοκτονίας εδώ που τα λέμε δηλαδή). Αν μπορεί όμως να κουνήθεί πάνω από τον λαιμό τι κάνει? Αυτό που είπε ο psychotron?

[Faery]

Ena atomo pou kineitai ap to laimo k panw mporei na kanei apergia peinas h na balei kapoio typo tou ypokosmou na to skotwsei. (isws blepw kai polles tainies ti na pw.. )

[Deggial]

Exm, yurushi de se katalabainw. ;p
Ergo twn giatrwn einai na prospa8hsoun na kanoun h na krathsoun kapoion kala etsi k alliws ,k oxi na skotwnoun. An kapoios 8elei ey8anasia, mporei kai monos tou na aytoktonhsei mia xara..

Ακόμη κι αν δε θέλει κανείς να μείνει ζωντανός, λόγω του πόνου που πρέπει να υποφέρει λόγω κάποιας ανοίατης ασθένειας; Και δε μπορούν όλοι που βρίσκονται σε τέτοιες καταστάσεις να αυτοκτονήσουν, όχι για ψυχολογικούς αλλά για πρακτικούς λόγους (αναπηρία, κ.α.).

[Raven Lord]

Exm, yurushi de se katalabainw. ;p
Ergo twn giatrwn einai na prospa8hsoun na kanoun h na krathsoun kapoion kala etsi k alliws ,k oxi na skotwnoun. An kapoios 8elei ey8anasia, mporei kai monos tou na aytoktonhsei mia xara..

Ακόμη κι αν δε θέλει κανείς να μείνει ζωντανός, λόγω του πόνου που πρέπει να υποφέρει λόγω κάποιας ανοίατης ασθένειας; Και δε μπορούν όλοι που βρίσκονται σε τέτοιες καταστάσεις να αυτοκτονήσουν, όχι για ψυχολογικούς αλλά για πρακτικούς λόγους (αναπηρία, κ.α.).

επίσης, πόσους ανώδυνους τρόπους αυτοκτονίας ξέρετε?

[Kingdom Gone]

Πρακτικά ένας: καραμπίνα στο στόμα (και εκεί πρέπει να προσέχεις να σημαδέψεις καλά για να μην επιζήσεις χωρίς πρόσωπο). Ο Cobain κάτι ήξερε. Το ίδιο και ο Dead. Βέβαια το ποιος θα μαζέψει τα μυαλά σου από το πάτωμα και τους τοίχους είναι άλλο θέμα. :|

[Raven Lord]

πάντα υπάρχει ο φόβος... ενώ με την ευθανασία... "όνειρα γλυκά"

[Faery]

Kai gw eipa oti pistevw pws an kapoios 8elei st alh8eia na aytoktonhsei 8a vrei kapoio tropo na to kanei. H as balei kapoion na ton skotwsei sthn telikh. Kai epishs oti armodiothta tou giatrou den einai na skotwnei alla na kanei kala tous allous. Yparxoun kai epaggelmaties gi ayto..

To poso epwdyna h poso anwdyna aytoktonei kapoios den exei na kanei ithink, ektos kai an apotyxei (oti xeirotero)

[eyeamflesch]

Kai gw eipa oti pistevw pws an kapoios 8elei st alh8eia na aytoktonhsei 8a vrei kapoio tropo na to kanei. H as balei kapoion na ton skotwsei sthn telikh. Kai epishs oti armodiothta tou giatrou den einai na skotwnei alla na kanei kala tous allous. Yparxoun kai epaggelmaties gi ayto..

To poso epwdyna h poso anwdyna aytoktonei kapoios den exei na kanei ithink, ektos kai an apotyxei (oti xeirotero)

Oxouuuuuuuuuuuuuuu mwre kollima me tin iatriki kai ti leitourgia tis. Ama einai na baloun eidiko proswpiko, mi iatrous, oi opoioi tha einai ypeFthynoi gia tin eFthanasia. Ta kaneis ola ta themata toso tragika dyskola?

[Faery]

Eimai kollhmenh to paradexomai ;p.. sorry gia to prh3imo

[FIXXXER]

Faery, skopos ton giatron einai na veltistopoioun tis sunthikes diaviosis tou anthropou, eite auto simainei na tous sozoun apo to thanato (sto megalutero pososto ton periptoseon) eite simainei na tous veltionoun aisthitika me plastikes epemvaseis, na kanoun ti zoi tous pio eukoli kautiriazontas ti muti tou astheni gia na mi trexei aima kathe fora pou exei polli zesti (gmtxrtsm) eite simainei na tou diakoptoun ti zoi gia na min upoferei. Gia pes mou, o tupos sto videoclip tou One kai aptin gnosti tainia pos borei na autoktonisei? Oute apergia peinas de borei na kanei giati ton exoun se oro.

[wraithmare]

GIATI PIASATE OLOUS TOUS KATAKOITOUS RE...aman

Ta adespota ta skefthkate :D

Seriously now... Mono me sygkatathesi toy antikeimenou ths euthanasias kai me thn proypothesi oti exei swas ta frenas kai borei na ekfrastei me kapoio tropo H an exei simplirwsei kapoio xroniko diasthma pou einai se kwma (pes 5 xronia)

Agree? Disagree?
I dont really care
Symfwnw me afta pou leei o deggi an kai SINITHWS OI GEROI THELOUN NA ZHSOUN "TREIS MHNES PARAPANW"....
tous pianei, ti na peis?
Kai emeis etsi tha maste (an eimaste mexri tote...)

[ang69]

Gia pes mou, o tupos sto videoclip tou One kai aptin gnosti tainia pos borei na autoktonisei? Oute apergia peinas de borei na kanei giati ton exoun se oro.


Μπορεί να περιμένει να κάνει σεισμό και να πέσει από το κρεβάτι.

[pitchfork]

Η να βάλει κάποιον να του διαβάζει τα posts της ang.
:headbang:

[FIXXXER]

Gia pes mou, o tupos sto videoclip tou One kai aptin gnosti tainia pos borei na autoktonisei? Oute apergia peinas de borei na kanei giati ton exoun se oro.


Μπορεί να περιμένει να κάνει σεισμό και να πέσει από το κρεβάτι.

H tha borouse na perimenei na teleiosoun ta gurismata tis tainias kai meta na paei gia kafe me tous filous tou.

[The_Painless]

Μην κλάψεις ang κι ας ήταν αβάσταχτη η προσβολή :cry:

[ang69]

Κρατιέμαι. Με δυσκολία, αλλά κρατιέμαι.

[rincewind2k]

H as balei kapoion na ton skotwsei sthn telikh.

auto legetai dolofonia. kai einai ligo duskolo na peis meta "ma mou eipe, skotwse me". vsk na to peis eukolo einai, na se athwwsei to dikasthrio einai ligo dyskolo...

enw gia thn euthanasia profanws tha yparxei nomiko plaisio

oi giatroi einai kai gia na se kanoun kala ektos apo to na kanoun diagnwseis sthn tyxh, na pairnoun fakelakia kai na emporeyontai mwra? rili?

[Deggial]

K H as balei kapoion na ton skotwsei sthn telikh.

Συγγνώμη, αλλά αυτό δεν είναι ακριβώς ίδιο με την ευθανασία;

[The_Painless]

Για κάποιο λόγο μόλις θυμήθηκα την Αγία Αθανασία του Αιγάλεω.
Συνεχίστε.

[pitchfork]

K H as balei kapoion na ton skotwsei sthn telikh.

Συγγνώμη, αλλά αυτό δεν είναι ακριβώς ίδιο με την ευθανασία;
Εξαρτάται. Αν τον σκοτώσει ξεκοιλιάζωντας τον και κρεμώντας τον από τα ίδια του τα έντερα, όχι

[Faery]

Nie Deggial einai..:P.. xairomai poy symfwnoume

[Deggial]

Μάλλον διαφωνούμε.

[wraithmare]

Που είναι η μπάλα;
Αμα την βρείτε πείτε μου :roll:

[progvamp]

oi giatroi einai kai gia na se kanoun kala ektos apo to na kanoun diagnwseis sthn tyxh, na pairnoun fakelakia kai na emporeyontai mwra? rili?

Word. ;) giatroi suk big time!

Egw psifisa oxi pantws. Opoion pappou, giagia kai na rwtiseis tha sou pei oti h zwh einai glykia kai oti theloyn na zisoyn ligo akoma. Oso ki an einai ayto to ligo, opws ki an einai. Kai tragoydate eseis oso thelete. Mallon to provlima egeitai sto oti eiste eksw apton xoro. An htan enas poly dikos sas anthrwpos etoimothanatos, me ta xilia myria provlimata, klp, klp, den nomizw oti tha thelate na ton apoxwristeite etsi apla, me euthanasia. Panta, ma PANTA yparxei elpida sti zwi. Otan stamatisoyme na elpizoyme, tote, nai, eimaste nekroi kai as mas kanoun euthanasia kanonika k me to nomo.
Kai ennow oti einai xiliades oi periptwseis poy astheneis me diagnwsh "mh anastrepsimhs katastasis" i opws legetai kserw gw, anekampsan kai eginan kala. O anthrwpos den einai mono swma, einai kai psyxh, den prepei na to ksexname afto kai duleia mas einai na dinoyme koyragio, elpides kai agaph se osous to xreiazontai ston kosmo, kamia fora akoma ki an xreiastei na toys poume psemata. Den einai ola mayra kai aspra. Egw den tha to ekana pantws an o mh geneto kapoios poly dikos mu anthrwpos vriskotan sayth thn thesh kai tha prospathoysa na ton kanw na niwsei oso to dynaton kalytera kai na toy dwsw elpides. Giati kamia fora ama pistepseis poly se kati, ginetai. It all comes down to love and faith i think.

A, kai den thewrw ton eayto mou vathia thriskeyomeno atomo, den exoyn na kanoyn me Theo kai thriskeia ayta poy lew (gia na prolavw toys retards.)

:twra mporeite na me vrisete kai na me moutzwsete eleythera: 8)

[Faery]

clap clap
:)

[eyeamflesch]

:mountz mountz:

[wraithmare]

:clap: :mountz:


Bring me a violin!

[enitharmon]

progvamp, den ennooume na apofasizoun oi syggeneis an o asthenis prepei na stamatisei na zei i oxi, leme na epitrepetai ston astheni na epileksei

[Faery]

A.
Egw nomiza oti h progvamp ennoouse apla to pws 8a mas fainotan an ayto synaibene se kapoion diko mas...

[progvamp]

Kala exete trelathei teleiws? Egw den eipa tipota apo ayta pou lete faery kai enitharmon. Nomizw oti apantisa sto thema pou sizitate isws me ligo synaisthimatiko tropo, giati oloi alloi (aporw kiolas pws mporeite) fainetai na apantate me arketa psyxro tropo. Giafto kai eipa oti eiste (eimaste?) eksw apton xoro.

Telos pantwn isws to piga k ligo parapera, sto oti giati diladi na ftasei o asthenis sto simeio na zitaei o idios na pethanei. Isws na ftaime emeis giafto pou den ton kanoume na niwthei arketa aneta kai omorfa, isws na ftaiei i kenwnia, diladi pali emeis, isws na ftaine oi goneis, to sxoliko perivallon pou ton megalwsan etsi wste na niwthei typseis gia tis epithimies toy (stin periptwsi mas, na zisei, na ginei kala kserw gw - can't blame me for thinking for once in my life positive...) akoma kai an apotelei "varos" stoys dikoys toy anthrwpous, diladi pali emeis, isws na ftaime emeis pou den ton endiaferei na zisei. Kati tetoio ennow.

kai gia na mhn ksexniomaste...

DIE DIE DIE!!!

KILL KILL KILL!!!

PSOSPFSOPSFSOFPSOFSPFOSPFOSPFOSPFOSPFOSFPOSPSOFOSPSPFPS

[eyeamflesch]

Kala exete trelathei teleiws? Egw den eipa tipota apo ayta pou lete faery kai enitharmon. Nomizw oti apantisa sto thema pou sizitate isws me ligo synaisthimatiko tropo, giati oloi alloi (aporw kiolas pws mporeite) fainetai na apantate me arketa psyxro tropo. Giafto kai eipa oti eiste (eimaste?) eksw apton xoro.

Telos pantwn isws to piga k ligo parapera, sto oti giati diladi na ftasei o asthenis sto simeio na zitaei o idios na pethanei. Isws na ftaime emeis giafto pou den ton kanoume na niwthei arketa aneta kai omorfa, isws na ftaiei i kenwnia, diladi pali emeis, isws na ftaine oi goneis, to sxoliko perivallon pou ton megalwsan etsi wste na niwthei typseis gia tis epithimies toy (stin periptwsi mas, na zisei, na ginei kala kserw gw - can't blame me for thinking for once in my life positive...) akoma kai an apotelei "varos" stoys dikoys toy anthrwpous, diladi pali emeis, isws na ftaime emeis pou den ton endiaferei na zisei. Kati tetoio ennow.

kai gia na mhn ksexniomaste...

DIE DIE DIE!!!

KILL KILL KILL!!!

PSOSPFSOPSFSOFPSOFSPFOSPFOSPFOSPFOSPFOSFPOSPSOFOSPSPFPS

:mountz mountz:

Dil kopela mou, eleos re. SobareFsou ligo, giati me fainetai to poly to prog sexei kamnei to myalo tourloumpouki (min anaferw kai tin kataxrisi xasisiou pou kaneis bebaiws bebaiws). Apo ta 2 megala posts sou to mono pou katalabainw einai oti i euthanasia se peirazei apo pleBras twn syggenwn aFtounou pou tha thanatwthei kyriws. Dil, AINTE! EPisis katalaba oti den exeis dei pote sou katakoito, etoimothanato klp. Logika, exeis ola ta papoudia sou en zwi, opote perimene ligo kai blepoume (me ligi mi-kali tyxi). Ama deis loipon ti giagiaka i ton papouli sou na xaizontai panw tous stin kyrioleksia epeidis pasxoyn apo tin X astheneia kai den mporoun na eleNKSoyn tis leitourgies tis, ama tous deis na sfadazoun ston pono pou akoma kai me tin paroxi morfinis einai abastaxtos, ama deis sta matia tous tin epithymia na teleiwsei to martyrio toys tote na toys peis "min kanete etsi agapimena mou mparmpadia, giati o PaBlos o Kouelios legei pws ama theloume pragmatika kati olo to sympan synomwtei gia na to petyxoyme kai episis iatriki ekselissetai kai mporei na sas therapeFsei kai episis tha stenaxwrithw poly an dwsete to Go! gia tin eFthanasia sas. Opote, pou kataligoume?

Edw:


:mountz mountz:

[progvamp]

oxi, kaneis lathos.

den lew ayto.

den tha sou dwsw anafora oute esena oute se kanena ama zoyn ta papudia mu k ta mparmpadia mu, alla apo to post sou na ypothesw oti ta dika sou papoudia exoyn pethanei ola ypoferontas frikta kai sy apo panw ta evlepes kai ypeferes mazi toys.

alla ws ena simeio mporw na sou pw oti milaw apo proswpikh peira. ws ena simeio ksanalaew. Den se kserw, den me ksereis kai den tha sou pw ta proswpika mou sto er, ara den nomizw oti mporei na ginei peretairw sizitisi. Ypothetika milame panta. Kai ypothetically speaking afto pou lew sta post mou tha mporoyse na symbei.

Esy zise tin pezh sou kai mizerh pragmatikotita kai ase toys alloys na oneireyontai enan kalytero kosmo.

To prog den kserw an me exei kanei to myalo tourloumpouki (sic), alla giati pisteyeis oti to diko sou myalo paei kalytera.

KAI KOPSE TO ASTEIO ME TA NARKWTIKA EPITELOUS. DEN EINAI ASTEIO. AMA TO VLEPEIS ESY ASTEIO NA PA NA GAMITHEIS KAI NA PSOFHSEIS. PUNK!

Sthn telikh, plz vres mou to post i tin anafora pou eixa kanei gia ta narkwtika kai to simeio pou esy katalaves oti egw pairnw i exw parei pote sti zwi mou narkwtika kai tote tha se paradextw.

[rincewind2k]

Esy zise tin pezh sou kai mizerh pragmatikotita kai ase toys alloys na oneireyontai enan kalytero kosmo.

um, DIE.

[wraithmare]

PROGVAMP IS A PUSSY
-Um, yeah, we know that.
I MEAN SHE IS A REAL PUSSY
-Dude, what's the matta with ya? She's a pussy!
NO NO I MEAN LOOK ALL THE BULLSHIT SHE POSTS
-That's another thing entirely.
SO SHE"S A....UM....GAY?
-No,no, you can't say that. This goes for guys only. I think.
YEAH, RIGHT. HOW ABOUT "PROGVAMP IS ANOTHER ANIMAL"
-It sounds funny only in Greek, dude.
OK,OK:

ΕΙΣΑΙ ΖΩΟΝ . -

:bigfuckingsmiley:

[wraithmare]

den tha sou dwsw anafora oute esena oute se kanena ama zoyn ta papudia mu k ta mparmpadia mu

Αυτό ακούστηκε 12 years old.


Den se kserw, den me ksereis kai den tha sou pw ta proswpika mou sto er, ara den nomizw oti mporei na ginei peretairw sizitisi.

:shock:
Geez, getalife.


Esy zise tin pezh sou kai mizerh pragmatikotita kai ase toys alloys na oneireyontai enan kalytero kosmo.

Να φέρω ένα βιολί, ένα μαντήλι, ένα μικρό πόνυ;


KAI KOPSE TO ASTEIO ME TA NARKWTIKA EPITELOUS. DEN EINAI ASTEIO.

Κακιές αναμνήσεις;

Με τέτοια επιχειρήματα(?) δεν πείθεις ούτε αστροφυσικό ότι η Γη γυρίζει.

[rockavlon]

ama einai twn tygers mesa me ta xilia

[wraithmare]

ama einai twn tygers mesa me ta xilia

ΚΟΨΕ ΤΟ ΧΑΣΙΣΙ
ΕΙΝΑΙ ΛΥΣΗ, ΕΙΝΑΙ ΛΥΣΗ

[eyeamflesch]

oxi, kaneis lathos.

den lew ayto.

den tha sou dwsw anafora oute esena oute se kanena ama zoyn ta papudia mu k ta mparmpadia mu, alla apo to post sou na ypothesw oti ta dika sou papoudia exoyn pethanei ola ypoferontas frikta kai sy apo panw ta evlepes kai ypeferes mazi toys.

Oxi.

alla ws ena simeio mporw na sou pw oti milaw apo proswpikh peira. ws ena simeio ksanalaew. Den se kserw, den me ksereis kai den tha sou pw ta proswpika mou sto er, ara den nomizw oti mporei na ginei peretairw sizitisi. Ypothetika milame panta. Kai ypothetically speaking afto pou lew sta post mou tha mporoyse na symbei.

Klassiki periptwsi pou apodeiknyei oti oxi mono XASISI pineis alla kai o,ti allo narkwtiko exei dei i plasi. Giati mono ama exeis faei tosa narkwtika mporeis na pisteBeis oti ama peis se kapoion entelws paralyto 5 xronia px pws ama to pisteFsei tha kounithei. Ektos ki an eisai toso atsida pou tha tou to peis aFto gia na antidrasei aFtomatws to swma tou thelontas na sou spasei to kefali me tis malakies pou tha tou les. Ama symbainei to teleFtaio, tote ntaks, se paradexomai tsakalini :wink:

Esy zise tin pezh sou kai mizerh pragmatikotita kai ase toys alloys na oneireyontai enan kalytero kosmo.

Esy des gia 3i fora ola ta episodia Friends gia na enisxyseis tin apopsi sou peri pragmatikotitas.

To prog den kserw an me exei kanei to myalo tourloumpouki (sic), alla giati pisteyeis oti to diko sou myalo paei kalytera.

Isa-isa, pou mporw na milaw gia sena ek peiras.

KAI KOPSE TO ASTEIO ME TA NARKWTIKA EPITELOUS. DEN EINAI ASTEIO. AMA TO VLEPEIS ESY ASTEIO NA PA NA GAMITHEIS KAI NA PSOFHSEIS. PUNK!

Sthn telikh, plz vres mou to post i tin anafora pou eixa kanei gia ta narkwtika kai to simeio pou esy katalaves oti egw pairnw i exw parei pote sti zwi mou narkwtika kai tote tha se paradextw.

KALA, AfTA POY LES TWRA DEN PEITHOYN KANENANE!! METAL! (By the way, lathos post exeis sto myalo soy, alli anafora soy tha prepei na brethei wste na entopistei i riza kai i aparxi twn sxoliwn moy peri tis xrisis XASISIOY poy kamneis.)

Genika omws, meta apaFto to post soy se sympathisa bre :)

[StationEleven]

oxi giati den exeis dikaiwma na afaireis thn zwh pou se dwke , opws kai an auth einai

[eyeamflesch]

oxi giati den exeis dikaiwma na afaireis thn zwh pou se dwke , opws kai an auth einai

Stin epomeni grammi xwse ki ena "respect" kai eisai ok.

[StationEleven]

life is a test

[eyeamflesch]

life is a test

When you're actually in a position to live.

[StationEleven]

ekei paw paso niptw tas xeiras pws to lene

[eyeamflesch]

ekei paw paso niptw tas xeiras pws to lene

Ekei einai pou tithetai to thema tis eFthanasias.

[FIXXXER]

Poios stin dinei ti zoi alitheia? Einai o idios me auton pou dinei kai ton karkiko ton gennitikon organon? Giati an einai, tote euxaristos na tou tin edina piso ti zoi na tin dosei se kanan allon, ego variemai ta nosokomeia, den exei oute kan metal na akous.

[UmbilicalResidue]

An hksera oti exw karkino tha tinaza ta myala mou mia kompsh prwtaprilia.

[ari-m]

oxi.-

[pitchfork]

Είναι παλιό το τόπικ και βαριέμαι να ψάχνω τι είχα ψηφίσει αλλά η άποψη μου γενικά είναι ότι πρέπει να επιβληθεί σε er giouzers και μάλιστα άμεσα.
Όχι σε όλους μαζί όμως. Σε έναν έναν

[ifinoi]

Exete katalabei pws milame gia ey8anasia gia atoma ta opoia den einai se 8esh na aytoktonhsoun kan?Ti arrwsties kai pappoudes lete oloi?Ti elpida gia zwh?

Kai den to lew psyxra ayth th stigmh.Opoios eide pws ksekinhse ayto to 8ema 8a eide oti eimai yper tou na mporouse o filos mou na dialeksei.Kai pws nai 8a htan lytrwsh gia ayton.Giati milame gia ena paidi pou twra einai 20,einai etsi sxedon 2 xronia,exei meinei 30 kila kai to mono pou mporei na kanei h na kinei ta matia tou.Ki opoios skeftetai pws prepei na elpizei,na to palepsei kai na sebomaste th zwh tote apla einai egwisths kai den 8elei na xalasei thn zaxarenia tou me to na dextei pws se ayto to skatokosmo merikes fores to na afhseis kapoion na rest in peace den einai "kako".Na apofygete typseis 8elete?
Giati egw eida ena paidi paramorfwmeno,katakoito ekei pou iksera ena paidi yperkinhtiko,me to pio poly kefi kai zwntania pou mporw na fantastw kai kserw pws twra zei ena basanisthrio mou emas apla de mporei na to xwresei o nous mas.

Nai sthn ey8anasia.

ps.nomizw oti exete katalabei se ti eidous periptwseis pshfizw nai,mh petaksei kaneis eksypnada.

[The Nerd]

Nai sthn ey8anasia.

ps.nomizw oti exete katalabei se ti eidous periptwseis pshfizw nai,mh petaksei kaneis eksypnada.

Ti e3ypnada? O giatros diatazei mpan gia thn psyxikh ygeia twn ypoloipwn users :)

[ifinoi]

kapou se xanw :roll:

[Sotos_The_Tequiler]

ennoeitai nai!