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Ithilmir
13-09-2003, 04:39
Koryfaios.Oles oi tainies tou aksizoun.
Eraserhead , The Elephant Man , Blue Velvet , Wild a Heart,
Twin Peeks (kai h seira) kai Dune kai fysika oi fantastikes
Lost Highway kai Mulholland Drive.
Epidh fantazomai polloi tha exete apories, grafte tes kai tha doume an tha vroume tipota...
Elfstone
13-09-2003, 04:42
Exw dei mono to Eraserhead kai to Lost Highway. An kai to Lost Highway eixe thn fash tou, auto to styl tou "oti na nai ki opoios katalave, katalave" de to exw se megalh ypolhpsh. Poly dhthen kata thn gnwmh mou...
freak brother
13-09-2003, 04:46
exoume ftasei sto shmeio na thewroume dhthen kai anousio kai akatalavistiko .. oti einai ligo diaforetiko kai thelei liiigo perissoterh skepsh... eleos h texnh den einai fast food :p
Elfstone
13-09-2003, 04:51
Den einai fast food alla sigoura einai topos epideikshs gia atoma pou den exoun na epideiksoun apolytos tipota...Kai o David Lynch de thelei liiiigo perissoterh skepsh...liiigo perissoterh preza thelei :)
rincewind2k
13-09-2003, 04:52
lotr re mounia!
back to sleep
Buddy Lackey
13-09-2003, 05:01
to na na kaneis ena diskolo nohma katanohto efkola thelei texni.
gia afto psifizw elfstone...
Kveldssanger
13-09-2003, 11:53
Anarotiemai giati den anaferei pote kaneis to Straight Story, poy einai pragmatika mia poly omorfh tainia... Ayto poy de me enthousiase idiaitera apo tis tainies tou Lynch itan to Dune kyrios exaitias tou entelos antipathitikou protagonisti....
Dragonlord
13-09-2003, 11:58
Ithilmir mias kai eisai neo melos,ri3e ama 8es ki ena search gia to thread tou Mulholland Drive
symposium_lexotanil
13-09-2003, 13:29
th ypermaxw koultoure ta nikitiria
Ego to ekleisa sti mesi to Straight Story giati itan polu argo gia mena. To perissotero argo pou boro na antexo einai to Heaven tou Tom Tykwer, ki auto me prospatheia, kai epeidi xero oti tha me antameipsei sto telos, opos kai to ekane. :)
Το Dune είναι πολύ καλό, σκοτεινό και σε μερικά σημεία τρομακτικό (ειδικά το κοριτσάκι). Το μόνο κακό είναι πως ο Lynch σκόπευε η τελική έκδοση να έχει διπλάσιο μέγεθος, αλλά η εταιρία παραγωγής δε το δέχθηκε, με αποτέλεσμα πολλά σημεία να κοπούν και να μπει αφήγηση στη θέση τους.
Η τελευταία διασκευή του είναι σαφώς πιο πλήρης (κάπου 4-5 ώρες ταινία), με πολύ καλύτερα εφφέ, αλλά δεν έχει την σκοτεινή ατμόσφαιρα της έκδοσης του Lynch.
Mulholland Drive πολύ καλό, αρκεί να το δεις τουλάχιστον 2 φορές, για να καταλάβεις τον συμβολισμό του κάθε γεγονότος.
Se poion arese to "Eraserhead"? Katalavate tpt? Prospathisa na to do kai 2h fora alla ta parathsa kapou sth mesh...
rincewind2k
14-09-2003, 18:09
btw h kalh mas h ET1 exei apopse kyriakh stis 00.15 to Wild At Heart
ntaks tha ksanadw to Crouching Tiger mpas kai katalabw ti "parekshgw" toso kairo kai meta ayto
kapsimo *kai* off line
ayta einai
freak brother
14-09-2003, 18:53
opws exei pei o froyde prospathei na perasei tous efialtes tou stis tainies tou :p kai o nown noeitw... o david lynch den apeuthinete se olous.
buddy luckey:to na na kaneis ena diskolo nohma katanohto efkola thelei texni.
gia afto psifizw elfstone... tote giati akous progressive kai den akous mousikh me aples formes?? :p
BooBooKittyFuck
14-09-2003, 20:44
straight story.. apaisio..xaristika k mono. eida to onoma tou lynch k lew eggush logw twn upoloipwn tainiwn alla pragmatika spilwse thn eikona mou. nohma sxedon kanena. kata ta alla exei ena polu diko tou tropo me tis tainies tou pou sxedon panta enthousiazoun. twra to kata poso mporeis na eksigiseis ton lynch, den nomizw oti uparxei kapoio nohma sto na prospathiseis, ftanei na pareis kapoia apo auta pou thelei na pei sthn tainia k n euxaristitheis oso perissotero mporeis thn upoloiph paranoia. den kserw KAN an prospathouse na exoun oi tainies tou opoiodhpote nohma gia kapoion pera apo ton eauto tou.
Ithilmir
15-09-2003, 00:13
Loipon...
To Straight Story den to anaferoun giati den axei grapsei to senario o Lynch(se antithesh me tis alles) kai epeidh h istoria einai em.... straight.
Buddy Lackey: Nai alla to na kaneis ena aplo nohma ainigmatiko kai mysthriwdes thelei perissoterh. Kai gia auto einai wraios o Lynch.
An kai oi tainies tou (kyriws to Lost Highway) fainontai -sxedon- akatanohtes , yparxoun diafora stoixeia pou se kanoun na pisteueis oti yparxei kapoio nohma kai genika sou menei h entypwsh oti to senario yparxei kai PREPEI na vgazei nohma.
Katalavainw oti pollous mporei na tous enoxlei to oti oi tainies tou den vgazoun amesws nohma, alla emena m'aresei.
Eksallou den tou vgainoun "kata lathos" akatanohtes.Epithdes to kanei.Kai magia tou pou tolmaei (to Mulholland htan pilotikh tainia gia seira, alla molis thn eidan oi paragwgh thn kopsane-giati htan akatanohth-.
H taina kukloforhse me gallikh paragwgh - Studio Canal-).
Telos, toso to Mulholland oso kai to Lost Highway EXOUN nohma.To Mulholland sxetika aplo kai to L.H. pio poliploko.Tha mporousan na gyristoun symvatika kai na vgazoun apolyta nohma, alla tote den tha eixan megalh a3ia... Den exete varethei epitelous tis tainies pou an yparxei esto kai ena metewro h adieukrynisto stoixeio ,oi prwtagwnistes frontizoun na sto ekshghsoun se tetoio vathmo pou katantaei geloio.
Ti kako yparxei telos pantwn , me to na skeutesai kai na ermhneueis esy merika pragmata se mia tainia ? Exoume ginei pia toso pathitikoi dektes pou o,ti apaitei kapoia energhtikothta kai skepsh apo merous mas, merikes fores kai meta to telos ths tainias kai me alepallhles syzhthseis, na to thewroume "vlakeia" h "epideiksh" ?
O Tarkovski dhladh den exei na epideiksei tipota? Oi tainies tou einai kakes epeidh den exoun th synexeia kai th synoxh pou exoun oi perisoteres tainies? Kai autou oi tainies den vgazoun nohma, alla oloi ton thewroun korifaio. Tyxaia mallon.
Oi kales tainies se vazoun se skepsh.
-Asxeto: To Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon to edeikse sta agglika!!
Psiloapaisio...Xanei kapws thn atmosfaira pou exei sta kinezika...
to dune me to m.d. einai exairetika eidika to m.d. ta wild at heart kai to blue velvet ta 8ewrw proswpika gtp.oso gtp mporei na einai kati tou lynch bebaia.
The Butcher
15-09-2003, 01:16
Geia xara,
Apo tainies tou Lynch exw dei mono to Mulholland- kai to thewrw exairetiki tania. Symfwnw se polla simeia me ton Ithilmir: An k fainetai akatanoito, o tropos pou einai ola dosmena se kanoun na pisteyeis oti pragmatika yparxei kapoio noima, oti den itan apla kaylwmenos o typos k eipe "twra tha tous trellanw", alla ola ta stoixeia einai valmena kapws "perierga" ekei pou tha mporousan na vriskontai se mia pio "fysiologiki" seira.
To Mulholland, niwthontas oti exw katanoisei ti vasi toulaxiston tou senariou, to thewrw idiaitera eyrimatiki k prwtotypi tainia, toso apo senariakis oso k apo skinothetikis pleyras.
K twra o vasikos logos pou kanw to post:p : Kserei kaneis an exei vgei to Lost Highway se DVD? Sto video club tis geitonias mou toulaxiston den to exw petyxei pote- k thelw edw k kairo na to dw. Episis an exete na proteinete kapoia alli tou Lynch, eyprosdekto.
Thanks:disco:
Exo parei apo agglia ena paketaki ("David Lynch triple bill") pou periexei ta: "Mulholland Dr.", "Lost Highway" kai "Eraserhead". To agorasa prin arketous mhnes, opote ypotheto tha exei kykloforhsei kai sthn ellada.
PS: To "Mulholland.." spernei
Ithilmir
15-09-2003, 02:19
Exei vgei tetoio pragma?! Gamw!! Oxi, dysthxws den exei kykloforhsei ellada, alla elpizw na erthei.
Genika ellada, einai dyskola na vreis Lynch.. To lost Highway,oxi den yparxei se DVD ap'oso kserw.Akoma. Sou proteinw ta Erazerhead kai Elephant Man pou (kyriws to prwto) exoun auto to xaotiko tou Lynch, alla kai ta Wild at Heart kai Blue Velvet pou an kai den einai xarakthristikes Lynch( einai sxedon fysiologikes) , einai poly kales tainies.
Dystyxws ta Erazerhead kai Elephant Man ,tha ta vreis poly dyskola ( s'ola ta Video-club poy'xw rwthsei-kamia 10ria) den ta xoun. To Elephant Man to 'xe dwsei dwro to cinema (to periodiko) kapote.
Epishs ama s'arese to Mulholland , des kai to Donnie Darko.Einai tou Richard Kelly kai einai kai auth etsi ainigmatih kai gamath. A, kai meta bes sto site: www.donniedarko.com (http://www.donniedarko.com) .Gamei.
symposium_lexotanil
15-09-2003, 02:41
nai
Elfstone
15-09-2003, 04:20
Sigoura o kinhmatografos einai texnh, kai h texnh mporei na einai ekfrash, psyxagwgia, propaganda (isws den einai swsth h leksh - ennow to meso gia na perastei kapoio mynhma) h kai syndiasmos autwn.
To prwto den anhkei sth sfaira ths krishs tou theath afou o dhmiourgos exei to dikaiwma na ekfrazetai mesa apo thn texnh opws tou aresei. Ta alla 2 omws pou me aforoune san cinefil mporw na ta krinw. Kai gia mena apotyxainei o Lynch kai sta 2. San psyxagwgia, entaksei einai arketa ypokeimeniko to zhthma, an kai to na diaskedaseis pragmatika me mia tainia tou Lynch einai sa na diaskedazeis lynontas tripla oloklhrwmata. Gousta einai auta, de lew. Mporeis vevaia na tis deis san kati teleiws koufo kai na gelas me oti vlepeis :D . Omologw oti to Lost Highway htan teleio gia auto.
An yparxei kapoio mynhma, aplo h polyploko, sigoura einai lathos h proseggish tou Lynch. Otan milame gia texnh pou kanei ton anthrwpo na skeftetai de milame gia kati tetoio. Milame gia thn dhmiourgia provlimatismwn, oxi to na psaxneis gia poio pragma prepei na provlimatisteis (ektos isws apo ti narkwtika pairnei o skinotheths pou den sou prosferei kai polla auto :D )
Pantws apo texnikhs apopshs den exw na pw kati kako gia ton Lynch, dhmiourgei atmosfaira kai mysthrio (an kai telika xwris logo) kai sigoura ksexwrizei san skhnotheths. Apla ta erga tou de me aggizoun gia tous parapanw logous...
freak brother
15-09-2003, 07:06
O Tarkovski dhladh den exei na epideiksei tipota? Oi tainies tou einai kakes epeidh den exoun th synexeia kai th synoxh pou exoun oi perisoteres tainies? Kai autou oi tainies den vgazoun nohma, alla oloi ton thewroun korifaio. Tyxaia mallon.
epitelous enas PRAGMATIKOS KINHMATOGRAFOFILOS WELL DONE ITHILMIR!
btw to blue velvet einai h APOLUTH tainia apo tis agapimenes mou to lynch .. epos epos epos..
elfstone eisai gia ton poutso re phgaine des kana lotr o Lynch einai psila grammata gia sena.. thes dhmosio rapisma sthn mesh ths plateias kai 5 meres alusodemenos na vlepeis kurosawa kai bergkman :p
Elfstone
15-09-2003, 23:53
Alysodemenos KAI rapisma en mesw plateias? Sigoura tha to evriskes esy poly erethistiko auto me tis anwmalies pou goustareis alla egw tha apexw giati protimw apla pragmata, px LotR. Synexise esy na paristaneis ton psagmeno me koultouriarikes ahdies :p
Kati pou anakalypsa prosfata. Elfstone phgaine sto http://www.themodernword.com/mulholland_drive.html na meineis malakas kai ela meta na zhthseis sygnomh :P
Opoios exei dei to Mulholland apo kamia eos mia fora, proteino na MHN episkeftei to site. Osoi exete katalavei 5 pragmatakia kai thelete na ta diastayrosete, kante to eleythera.
symposium_lexotanil
16-09-2003, 03:47
ox tinauto pali? oreo to url.ena katevato 32432234 selidon.gia poio logo akrivos? gia na *katalaveis* tin tainia?kalytera na min tin katalavo.tin eida mia fora (eimai stin katigoria apo kamia eos mia dld,ara eimai stin idia moira mauton pou den tin eide katholou,symfona me ton blitzer panta) kai eimai arketa ikanopoiimenos,xoris na exo katalavei tpt.kai de me noiazei kiolas.
btw tom to blue velvet einai miamisi malakia.eleos.kai mi vazeis sto idio tsouvali tarkofski kai lints epeidi to grafoun ta periodika kai to lene oi kritikoi.
tespa as po akoma mia fora,pos o lynch dimiourgei apisteutes atmosferes alla apo ti stigmi pou o idios vgainei kai leei "sto lost highway den ksero oute go ti ginetai,ekana o,ti mou rxotan" den mporo na paro sta sovara olous autous pou to paizoun psagmenoi prospathontas enagwniws na ermineusoun me *koini logiki* tis tainies tou.o lynch mou thymizei episis tous watchtower.nai ok einai foveroi texnites alla ta tragoudia tous den akougontai eukola.symfona me ti logiki fantom/blitzer osoi den tous goustaroun einai asxetoi apo mousiki kai areskontai se eukola/pop/media manipulated kataskeuasmata.-
episis aniko ki ego stin potapi katigoria anthropon pou diaskedazei (akousei mousiki/vlepei tainies/diavazei vivlia ktl) me kritirio to poso kala pernaei.starxidiamou an kati pou marese de theoreitai poiotiko kai to antistrofo.
kai edo telionei auto to syglonistiko manifesto.
eimai laikos typos.
symposium_lexotanil
16-09-2003, 03:54
a na prostheso oti den exo tpt me autous pou ti vriskoun me tainies tous lints ktl i me o,tidipote ksefeugei apo ta synithismena.apla einai ligo tragiko na thes na epivaleis to gousto sou ston allo kai na prospatheis enagwniws na vriskeis stoixeia *poiotitas* sta ekastote endiaferonta sou (i na ta prosarmozeis etsi oste na einai politically correct apo apopsi poiotitas/psaksimatos).pros dimiourgisi pareksigiseon,anaferomai se sygkekrimena atoma apo do mesa.
eidika esy phantom mas ta xeis kanei karpouza.
freak brother
16-09-2003, 05:14
btw tom to blue velvet einai miamisi malakia
den magapas pia :(
krima.... kiegw pou se pistepsa?? :p
xiaxiaixaixia
Buddy Lackey
16-09-2003, 07:38
emena maresei to blue velvet
opws kai to "elephant man" to opoio omws den exei KAMIA sxesi me lost highway , mulholland lesbian drive, klp ....
to thema einai oti alloi skinothetes (tous kserete) me pio efkolo (kai oxi anagkaia simvatiko) tropo dinane to nohma kai tin ousia tou ergou ston theati , kai i sigekrimeni ousia i to nohma itan safws anwtera ...
paradeigmata: flight club, Se7En, Space Odyssey, Dead Poet's Society klp
apo to na spazokefaliazeis gia na anaklipseis ena nohma (?) to opoio isws na einai keno, mporeis efkola na deis kati pou tha sou dosei kati safws anwtero me pio aplo kai ameso tropo, allwste pio to nohma an den pernaei to nohma xwris nevrogavaligevmata kai algevrikes sxeseis.
Solo Carriera
16-09-2003, 15:18
Xm... to seven einai ena astinomiko thriller me arxh mesh kai telos pou (apoti katalava egw dld) den prospathei na perasei kapoio nohma. Dld ti nohma tha mporouse na perasei??? Ektws pia an ennoeis an kai kata poso katalavainei kapoios to senario...
symposium_lexotanil
16-09-2003, 15:47
xm
den exei noima to seven?
pigene pes to auto ston tzon nto
Exei noima re i tainia, allo thelei na pei o solo carriera... tespa... alitheia, o solo carriera otan pesoun oi poliseis tha metonomastei se "reunion of Maiden/Priest" ?
ox tinauto pali? oreo to url.ena katevato 32432234 selidon.gia poio logo akrivos? gia na *katalaveis* tin tainia?kalytera na min tin katalavo.tin eida mia fora (eimai stin katigoria apo kamia eos mia dld,ara eimai stin idia moira mauton pou den tin eide katholou,symfona me ton blitzer panta) kai eimai arketa ikanopoiimenos,xoris na exo katalavei tpt.kai de me noiazei kiolas.
Poly apla einai oi skepseis enos typou. Kai epeidh kata pleiopshfia ta leei mia xara, tha voithisei opoion den exei idea ti ginetai sto ergo. Den einai pragmata pou de mporei na skeftei o mesos anthropos, apla sinithos DEN paei to myalo tou (ektos ki an exei sinithisei ton Lynch). Kai nai pisteyo oti mia = kamia oson afora tis tainies tou sygkekrimenou. Ego eixa stipsei to kefali mou kai eida to ergo (Mulholland) ksana kai ksana gia na katalavo ti paizei, se allous den kanei aisthish ayto to pragma. E whatever.. to url to edosa gia tous protous.
tespa as po akoma mia fora,pos o lynch dimiourgei apisteutes atmosferes alla apo ti stigmi pou o idios vgainei kai leei "sto lost highway den ksero oute go ti ginetai,ekana o,ti mou rxotan" den mporo na paro sta sovara olous autous pou to paizoun psagmenoi prospathontas enagwniws na ermineusoun me *koini logiki* tis tainies tou.o lynch mou thymizei episis tous watchtower.nai ok einai foveroi texnites alla ta tragoudia tous den akougontai eukola.
Pou/pote akrivos eipe oti sto "Lost Highway" ekane oti tou erxotan? Giati akougetai apisteyth paparia kai akros non-Lynch. Ektos ki an den katalaves kala. Sinithizetai oi "dyskoloi" skinothetes na MH theloun na syzhtane ta erga tous, giati poly apla o kathenas ta metafrazei diaforetika. Ayto de shmainei oti den yparxei MIA KAI MONADIKH ekshghsh h oti kanoun oti tous katevei.
Yparxoun atoma pou ontos psaxnoun para poly ta erga kai to parakanoun me tis analyseis. Alla pisteyo oti mporeis na katalaveis pote kapoios to parakanei kai pote skefthke kati toso aplo pou esena de sou perase apo to myalo (de shmainei oti eisai ilithios, apla theloun ena sygkekrimeno tropo skepshs).
symfona me ti logiki fantom/blitzer osoi den tous goustaroun einai asxetoi apo mousiki kai areskontai se eukola/pop/media manipulated kataskeuasmata.-
episis aniko ki ego stin potapi katigoria anthropon pou diaskedazei (akousei mousiki/vlepei tainies/diavazei vivlia ktl) me kritirio to poso kala pernaei.starxidiamou an kati pou marese de theoreitai poiotiko kai to antistrofo.
kai edo telionei auto to syglonistiko manifesto.
eimai laikos typos.
Em.. vazeis logia sto stoma mou pou den eipa pote. Den ekrina pote kanenan pou de goustarei Lynch, oute nomizo oti epevalla tpt se opoiondhpote. An to ekana, perimeno c/p. Den eimai kai fan tou. Apla me entyposiazei pragmatika o tropos pou kanei texnh.. giati kanei texnh (oxi mono optika). Sinithos vlepeis mia tainia mia fora, ante kai 2h kai that's all. Ena kalo finale shmainei ena aproopto finale, pou omos sta dinei ola sto xeri, mashmena kiolas. O Lynch de sou dinei tpt mashmeno. Sou dinei stoixeia kath'olh th diarkeia tou ergou kai apo kei kai pera eksartatai apo th dikh sou ikanothta. Emena prosopika me "erethizei" ayto. Einai thema goustou. Ego px sixainomai tis komodies (th syntriptikh pleiopshfia ayton esto), alloi diaskedazoun me aytes...
Ayto pou den katalavaino einai giati osoi nomizoun oti o Lynch (h opoiosdhpote allos) einai idiofyia einai oi "pseytokoultouriarhdes" pou theoroun oti oloi oi ypoloipoi "einai asxetoi apo mousiki kai areskontai se eukola/pop/media manipulated kataskeuasmata", eno osoi ton vazoun sto saki me tous ypoloipous grafo-oti-malakia-mou-katevei-kai-oloi-psaronoun exoun katalavei to nohma ths zohs :)
Asto re Blitzer... polu to kourazeis, to Mulholland Drive einai gamo tis tainies, eite tin deis mia fora eikastika, eite prospathiseis na tin analuseis. Gi auto einai theos, giati ekane mia tainia pou aresei se olous osous lene oti asxolountai me ton kinimatografo, eite ligo eite polu.
symposium_lexotanil
16-09-2003, 20:39
mplitzer variemai eleeina.
mporeis na katseis na deis tin agapimeni sou tainia kai 20 fores.
provlima sou.
kai episis grafo o,ti malakia mou katevei sinithos
Toulaxiston eixa ton teleytaio logo :P
symposium_lexotanil
16-09-2003, 23:56
ego mporo na exo ton teleutaio xoro? (toula-xyston)
Όσον αφορά το Eraserhead, ο George Lucas όταν το είδε, ζήτησε απ'τον Lynch να σκηνοθετήσει το Return of the jedi (το οποίο και αρνήθηκε, θεωρώντας πως το Star wars είναι περισσότερο όραμα του Lucas παρά του εαυτού του. Και πάλι καλά που αρνήθηκε, είναι τρομακτική η σκέψη του Lynch να γυρίζει Star wars :p). Και ο Κιούμπρικ το είχε ως μια απ'τις αγαπημένες του ταινίες.
****SPOILER WARNING****
Μιας και ρώτησε ο Bli][zer για το νόημα της ταινίας, υπάρχουν κάποια μέρη που βγάζουν νόημα.
Κατά πάσα πιθανότητα, όταν ο Paul κοιτά το καλοριφέρ, σκέφεται την αυτοκτονία. Σταδιακά κατά τη διάρκεια του έργου, όταν κοιτά το καλοριφέρ βλέπει μια όλο και μεγαλύτερη φαντασίωση, δηλ. η αυτοκτονία φαντάζει μια όλο και καλύτερη λύση, ενώ το κορίτσι μες στο καλοριφέρ είναι ο θάνατος (και τα σκουλίκια που πατάει οι αμαρτίες; ).
Επίσης υπάρχει μια συνεχής τάση να δείχνει η Mary πόσο φυλακισμένη είναι, σε μια ζωή που τη καταδίκασαν οι περιστάσεις και οι γονείς της (να παντρευτεί τον Paul εξάλλου δεν ήταν δική της απόφαση). Το ίδιο φυλακισμένος αισθάνεται και ο Paul (αυτό δείχνει η συμπεριφορά προς το μωρό τους), αλλά γίνεται πιο φανερό στη περίπτωση της Mary. Όταν αποφασίζει να φύγει, πηγαίνει στο κρεβάτι να πάρει τη βαλίτσα της. Στο πλάνο όμως φαίνεται σαν φυλακισμένη πίσω από κάγκελα τα οποία ταρακουνά προσπαθώντας να αποδράσει.
Οι πιο ξεκάθαρες σκηνές είναι οι τελευταίες. Εφόσον κάνει έρωτα με τη γειτόννισα, την ερωτεύεται, ενώ τη βρίσκει μετά με άλλον άντρα και θεωρεί πως γεγονός πως είναι πατέρας φταίει, και το μωρό του δεν τον αφήνει να ζήσει μια φυσιολογική ζωή.
Σε κάθε περίπτωση, η ταινία βασίζεται στα προβλήματα που είχε ο ίδιος ο Lynch εκείνη τη περίοδο της ζωής του, αφού είχε αφήσει έγγυο τη κοπέλα του και πριν την ηλικία των 21 ήταν ήδη πατέρας (επίσης, η κόρη που κάνανε γεννήθηκε πρόωρα).
Nai exeis dikio. Ta skefthkes monos ayta eilikrina?
Vrhka ena keimeno sto web pou ekshgei pano-kato to ergo. Idou:
* Henry represents Henry. Nothing confusing here.
* The Workman represents God or, more specifically, a god. Similar to Greek mythology.
* The "Rock" symbolizes the dwelling place of the god. This could mean heaven, but most likely it represents a church.
* The "Worms," (which are different from the Baby), are symbolic of sin or an evil deed.
* The "Baby" is in reality not necessarily an actual thing. It represents the outcome or consequence of a sin or evil deed. It could be an actual baby,which is the outcome of sex, or a condition, such as a disease.
* The Radiator represents suicide, not death mind you, but the actual act of suicide.
* The Chipmunk Girl - she is Death.
* The Dead Tree in dirt, which is on the nightstand, is a religeous symbol, similar to a cross or a statue of a Saint.
* Electric Lights: in all of David Lynch movies, electricity is good, darkness is evil.
An pareis xampari oti ta panta sto ergo einai symvolika kai katalaveis ton rolo tou kathenos, safos kai to ergo fantazei arketa eynohto. Alla mexri na pareis xampari... :P
Κατόπιν έρευνας στο Internet. Δεν πενεύτηκα πουθενά πως τα σκέφτηκα ολομόναχος.
Nai den yponnohsa ayto. Apla rothsa :)
Συγγνώμη τότε :)
Πάντως δε μπορώ να πω πως μου άρεσε... είναι παρατραβηγμένη ταινία... μόνο στα 30 λεπτά γίνεται κάτι και όλη η υπόλοιπη ταινία είναι κενός χρόνος (δε συμβαίνει απολύτως τίποτα).
Ego pragmatika prospathisa na to do kai 2h fora, kathos thn 1h hmoun psilonystagmenos kai ypethesa oti ayto eftaige pou den to eyxaristithika/katalava. Alla mataia.. den anteksa pano apo 20 lepta.. Antitheta to Mulholland to exo dei 6-7 fores kai to ksanavlepa eyxaristos.
Buddy Lackey
15-10-2003, 03:25
loipon pros olous tous iperaspistes tou lynch kai tous megalous opadous lost highway kai den simazevetai.. (oxi aftous tou elephant man)
deite to Hollywood Ending, mia apo tis poli prosfates tainies tou Woody Allen.
Oi tainies tou Woody Allen sta 90's einai san ta album ton Maiden sta 80's. Vlepeis 2 kai tis exeis dei oles. Oudemia proodos. Ennoeitai pos to Deconstrutcing Harry mou arese, alla giati na epanalamvanetai toso polu os pros to eidos tou humor tou? Anywayz, borei kai na tin do kapoia stigmi. Alla ti sugrinoume tora, Lynch me Allen? Kamia sxesi.
Buddy Lackey
15-10-2003, 17:48
deconstructing harry
mistiriodeis fonoi sto manhatan
hollywood ending
den exoun kamia sxesi metaksi tous
afto pou epanalamvanei nomizw einai o xaraktiras tou ekastote main hrwa pou panta ipodietai aftos
kai ksanaproteinw se olous tous lynch fans na doune to hollywood ending kai tha katalavoun giati to proteinw otan to doun
Makari na exeis dikio. Tha perimeno gia video omos. Polla lefta re pousti.
MoRmEnGiL
16-10-2003, 05:35
Fixxxer tipesremalakagiatousmaiden?poumeneisremouninaer8wnasegamhsw?
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pantws ektos apo to mullholand kai to dune (to opoio den mporei na 8ewrh8ei lynch taineia) den exw dei allh taineia tou.. (tou lynch,oxi tou allen..)
Ante re Buddy nomiza ennoouses ti nea tainia tou Allen pou tha vgei se ligo stous sinemades. To eixe xthes sto videadiko alla de to pira giati eida to 28 Days Later, gia to opoio tha pao na grapso tin apopsi mou.
Kingdom Gone
01-04-2005, 08:59
ο λυντς δεν είναι ούτε καν για τα σκουπίδια. ψευτοκουλτουριάρικος αυνανισμος. επιεικώς.
Buddy Lackey
01-04-2005, 10:19
otan exei eklampseis ayto to paidi ...
ο λυντς δεν είναι ούτε καν για τα σκουπίδια. ψευτοκουλτουριάρικος αυνανισμος. επιεικώς.
me anesh se gamaei to elephant man kai to straight story.
Kingdom Gone
02-04-2005, 02:40
den ta xw dei (exw dei ligo ap to 1o vsk, alla poly palia)
egw anaferomoun sto xarakthristiko tou styl (blue velvet, mulholland drive, lost highway autes pou xw dei). k epishs, oso k na sas aresei paradextite pws 1 (olografws: enan) ithopoio pou na kserei na paizei den exei valei se autes tis tainies tous.
Buddy Lackey
02-04-2005, 02:47
dennis hopper
a kai des tis tainies pou pe o ghoul giati einai pragmatika theikes kai diaforetikes apo tis ypoloipes tou.
Kingdom Gone
02-04-2005, 02:56
οντως ντενις χοππερ. οι αλλοι ειναι άθλιοι.
ψήνομαι για elephant man κ straight story
tainies lynch exw dei 3. mulholland drive pou spernei,lost highway pou gamaei,kai blue velvet pou mou fanike poly metrio,psilovarethika,mono o hopper aksize ekei.
οντως ντενις χοππερ. οι αλλοι ειναι άθλιοι.
ψήνομαι για elephant man κ straight story
to straight story to exei (pali) th deutera sto mega stis 1.30 to vrady.
Kingdom Gone
02-04-2005, 17:43
οντως ντενις χοππερ. οι αλλοι ειναι άθλιοι.
ψήνομαι για elephant man κ straight story
to straight story to exei (pali) th deutera sto mega stis 1.30 to vrady.
κ εμένα τι μου το λες?
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