Lost Highway (1997)

[Phoebus]

ok.

erwthsh:

mporei kapoios na mou ekshgeisei ti ginetai?

:?

[Buddy Lackey]

oi lynchofans


















:rofl:

[Raven Lord]

βάλτε και ένα μεγάλο σπόιλερ πριν το κάνετε, γιατί υπάρχουν και άμαχοι εδώ που το βλέπουν και το ξαναβλέπουν για να καταλάβουν :D

[Eloch]

Τα πάντα κ τίποτα!Μην περιμένεις να βγάλεις άκρη με ταινία του Lynch,όπως και στο Mulholland Dr. γίνεται της πόρνης κ καθένας δίνει δική του εξήγηση.Η μόνη βατή του ταινία είναι "Ο άνθρωπος Ελέφαντας".

[The Butcher]

pliz min arxisete na milate gia tin tainia xwris na valete "spoiler" giati thelw na ti dw.

sto mulholland ta vasika simeia einai standard. pragmatika amfilegomena einai mono orismena stoixeia pou pio poly paizoun rolo symvoliko klp.

gi'ayto edw pantws mou'xoun pei oti de vgainei kammia akri.

parakalw sevasteite tin 1i protasi.

[The_Painless]

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ισχύει ότι σε αυτήν την ταινία έκαναν την πρώτη τους εμφάνιση οι Rammstein; Κι αν ισχύει, τι δείχνει; Συναυλία; Was?

[Kveldssanger]

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Έχουν περάσει και κάτι χρόνια, αλλά δε θυμάμαι να εμφανίζεται στην ταινία το συγκρότημα... Απλά ακούγεται σε κάποιο σημείο, προς το τέλος νομίζω, κάποιο τραγούδι τους...

[BLiTzER]

sto mulholland ta vasika simeia einai standard. pragmatika amfilegomena einai mono orismena stoixeia pou pio poly paizoun rolo symvoliko klp.

gi'ayto edw pantws mou'xoun pei oti de vgainei kammia akri.


Uhm.. kapos etsi. Omologo oti an kai sthn arxh mou fainotan pio "eykolo" to lost highway kai genikotera pisteya oti eixa piasei arketa pragmata, mallon ta @@ mou epiasa :P

Ayth h "metamorfosh" ta katastrefei ola re pousth. Sthn arxh skefthka mhpos einai kati symvoliko kai de symvainei pragmatika. Alla an prosekseis to ergo apokleiei ayth thn ekdoxh. Anyway opoios mathei na mou pei kai mena.

Btw, eida teleytaia to Elephant Man kai to Wild At Heart kai ntax einai teleios vata. Exoun thn paranoia tou Lynch vevaia (to 2o kyrios, to 1o oxi toso), alla tpt pou na sou gamaei to myalo.

Den emfanizontai oi rammstein pouthena. Apla xonei ena kommataki kapou. O Manson emfanizetai sthn tainia pantos san pornostar :)

[Buddy Lackey]

sarese ligotero to "Elephant Man" epeidi htan pio vato?

[BLiTzER]

Oxi oraio htan. Apla elaxista mou thymize Lynch.

[nothingman]

Καλα, και το "straight story" δεν ειναι ακριβως και η πιο αντιπροσωπευτικη του ταινια...
Επισης, ταινιαρα, και χωρις τιποτε τρελα χασιματα...

Τι να κανει αραγες τωρα αυτη η ψυχη?...απο το 2001 χαθηκε εντελως τελειως

[Once_Emperor]

:spoiler:


loipon eida sxetika prosfata tin tainia kai exw mia apopsi alla den eimai sigouros oti auto eixe sto mialo tou o Lynch.
Egw pisteuw oti o xaraktiras tis tainias einai o nearos pou douleuei sto sinergeio...gnwrizei tin gkomena(auti me ta xantha mallia) kai arxizoun na "erwteuontai".
autos skotwnei ton tipa pou girize tsontes kai ton mafia guy pou tou eftiaxne to autokinito. tote arxizei na trexei olh tou ti zwh gia na xefigei apo auto pou ekane(i zwi tou parallilizetai me ton dromo opou ton deixnei na trexei sto telos kai ton kinigan oi mpatsoi-->lost highway=xameni "zwh").
twra ta sequences pou ton deixnoun pantremeno ta skeftotane.skeftotane pws tha mporouse na itan i zwi tou...(pantreutike tin gkomena(i opoia einai kastanomalla gia na deixei oti sto oneiro tou itan diaforetiki apo oti pragmatika itan.tin oneireuotan kalliteri!)egine mousikos(iposineidita sindiase kati pou den tou arese-to saxofwnw- mesa sto oneiro tou kai domise etsi ton kosmo tou wste na to simperillavei kai auto!)).
vevaia akoma kai sto oneiro touy den mporouse na xefigei apo auta pou ekane(gia auto kai vlepei ton tipa pou einai vammenos-ton opoio antilamvanomai san proswpopoihsh tis nemesis pou ton kinigaei gia tis praxeis tou/tis tipseis tou).
twra to simeio me ti filaki den katalava ti akrivws paixtike...isws itan pws sindiase sto mialo tou tin metavasi apo to oneiro tou stin pragmatikotita!


auta....
pragamtika "diskoli" tainia alla polli endiaferousa kai ainigmatiki
must!
egw auta katalava alla thelw na akousw kai alles apopseis!
elpizw na voithisa...... :wink:

[BLiTzER]

Kalh fash, alla opos eipa se prohgoumeno post, vlepontas to ergo mou dinetai h entyposh oti h "metamorfosh" ONTOS symvainei kai den einai kati fantastiko. Vevaia h symvolikothta ths fashs einai pio pithanh gia tainia Lynch kai isos apla th dinei etsi sto ergo gia na se paraplanhsei, to opoio einai Lynch indeed.

Ksanades to pantos. Yparxoun skhnes pou deixnoun 100% oti kai ta 2 prosopa (o nearos mhxanikos kai o mousikos) einai yparkta kai malista taytoxrona. De nomizo na kano lathos, an kai den exo thn tainia edo ayth th stigmh na thn ksanado.

Sxetika me th fylakh sthn arxh, ena filaraki skefthke/ypethese oti o typos etoimazetai gia ektelesh sthn hlektrikh karekla kai ola ayta einai oi teleytaies tou skepseis akrivos prin pethanei.

[freak brother]

O Lynch kanei tainia tous efialtes tou opote eite saresei eite oxi...

theikh htan h ataka pou eixe pei o kioumprik otan ton rwtisan gia to psyxedeliko paralhrhma pou exei sto oddyseia diasthmatos 2001.. "opoios leei oti katalave ti hthela na deixw leei malakies den hthela na deixw tpt"...

[eyeamflesch]

sTEILTE MAIL STO STRANGE KAI RWTISTE :D

[Phoebus]

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H tainia einai phxtra stous symbolismous, kai to prwto pragma pou prepei na katalabei kapoios blepontas thn tainia einai oti blepoume thn istoria apo to myalo tou prwtagwnisth (o opoios einai... poly arrwstos).

Egw exw katalabei to ekshs xontra-xontra.

O prwtagwnisths mpainei sthn fylakh gia ton fono ths gynaikas tou. H tainia ksekinaei me to koudouni (opoios thymatai) kai teleiwnei peripou me thn idia skhnh. Opote katalabaineis oti o Lynch paizei me ton xrono, xwris bebaia na sou dinei safeis endeikseis pote paei pisw. Proswpika pisteyw oti mexri thn stigmh ths fylakishs ola eksellisontai swsta, mexri thn stigmh ths metamorfwshs, pou einai sthn ousia ena diarkes flashback mexri thn arxh ths tainias (sto shmeio pou tou xwnei mpounia o mpatsos kai ton ksypnaei).

Ta panta einai symbolismoi. H gkomena, o mafiozos, oi kameres, h kalyba pou flegetai antistrofa, o Mystery Man... mexri kai o dromos einai symbolo. Sthn pragmatikothta exei symbei ena gegonos: O prwtagwnisths skotwse thn gynaika tou. Kai apo kei kai meta o Lynch mas deixnei pws katelhkse h istoria s'ayto to gegonos. Apo thn arxh o antras fainetai pou arneitai oti thn skotwse. Kai synexws, mexri to telos ths tainias den dexetai ayto to gegonos. Zei mia synexh katastash arnhshs ths pragmatikothtas... se shmeio pou sto myalo tou apofasizei na mhn einai o eaytos tou, kai ginetai o nearos pou douleyei sto fanartzidiko (h prwth metamorfwsh). Afou biwnei polla perierga pragmata ws nearos ftanei se ena shmeio pou exei paei sthn erhmo kai gamietai me thn gkomena kai ekeinh tou leei "you'll never have me". Kai shkwnetai kai einai pali o eaytos tou! (2h metamorfwsh). Ayto deixnei ekeinh th stigmh oti o prwtagwnisths mesa s'olo ayto to psema pou zouse antilambanetai pros stigmh thn pragmatikothta kai ginetai ksana o eaytos tou. Se ena sygkekrimeno plano an thymaste, deixnei thn kalyba pou flegetai antistrofa kai meta apo thn porta bgainei o Mystery Man. Krathste to ayto ypopsin, dioti telika h kalyba symbolizei thn zwh pou zouse o prwtagwnisths, oi floges einai ta arnhtika synaisthimata tou pou sygkentrwnontai se ena meros.... kai mesa ap'ola ayta gennietai o Mystery Man o opoios einai sthn ousia ola ta asxhma synaisthimata tou, h synaisthimatikh tou orgh kata kapoio tropo. Thymithike sthn skhnh tou fonou pou o mafiozos exei rhksei ton prwtagwnisth katw kai kapoios dinei ston prwtagwnisth ena maxairi, kai kobei ton laimo tou mafiozou... Kai meta emfanizetai o Mystery Man na skotwnei me ena peristrofo ton mafiozo, alla akribws sto epomeno plano o Mystery Man xanetai kai to peristrofo to krataei o prwtagwnisths! Einai katharo shmadi oti o Mystery Man einai h orgh, h synaisthimatikh fortish tou prwtagwnisth pou telika ton bohthaei (kai ton wthei) sto na skotwsei. To thema bebaia einai TI skotwnei... O mafiozos mallon ekfrazei tis amfibolies tou prwtagwnisth sth zwh tou... tis anasfaleies tou, tous fobous tou oti h gynaika tou einai apisth kai phdietai me allous. Kai skotwnontas ayton (o opoios mallon einai kai pragmatiko proswpo, den kserw) pairnei apofash na skotwsei thn gynaika tou...

Ws nearos pisteyw oti o prwtagwnisths biwnei thn zwh ths gynaikas tou... mpainei in her shoes... Opws kai h ksanthia gamiotan m'ayton otan aytos ypotithetai eixe gkomena (h opoia gkomena einai antistoixa aytos sth fantasia tou) etsi kai h gynaika tou sthn pragmatikothta phdiotan kai m'ayton (kai den to xairontousan, opws akribws h gkomena rwtaei ton nearo kati san "why don't you like me?") alla kai me ton allo ton mafiozo. H ksanthia gkomena einai ayto pou fanhke sthn tainia. Enas peirasmos. H gynaika pou thes na gamhseis otan eisai desmeymenos... Kai argotera, me tis binteokassetes kai tis kameres... aytes einai h pragmatikothta. Gi'ayto prwtagwnisths ths apofeygei... den thelei na blepei thn pragmatikothta...

Ta back and forths sthn tainia einai para polla, oi symbolismoi einai poly eksypnoi kai thelei polles wres na skeftw ti allo mporei na ginetai. Alla nomizw oti bohthisa arketa pollous na katalaboun peripou ti ginetai...

To mynhma pisw ap'olh ayth thn istoria? Proswpika pisteyw oti o Lynch leei na mhn ta paratame, na exoume pisth ston eayto mas kai na exoume ta @@ na biwnoume thn pragmatikothta se olh ths thn ektash.... kati pou einai poly dyskolo giati mas aresei na koroideyoume ton eayto mas kai protimame thn eyxaristhsh para thn alhtheia. Oi anthrwpoi einai aisthitikistes kai ayth h tainia to apodeiknyei peritrana, mono pou yparxei kai ayto to mikro pragma pou legetai "typseis", ta opoia omws exoun terastio antiktypo sthn apodoxh twn dikwn mas psemmatwn apo ton eayto mas... Kai sthn tainia akoma kai sto telos o prwtagwnisths einai xamenos entelws, sthn ystath stigmh pou tha pethanei akoma psaxnei na brei mia nea taytothta, na metamorfwthei se kati allo, se kati pou den einai kai den apodexetai ton eayto tou.

Well, that sums it up.

To kalytero pragma m'ayth thn tainia einai oti mporw na thn parallhlisw me ena kalo album mousikhs... mporw na th dw ksana kai ksana kai ksana...

[Medusa]

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H tainia einai phxtra stous symbolismous, kai to prwto pragma pou prepei na katalabei kapoios blepontas thn tainia einai oti blepoume thn istoria apo to myalo tou prwtagwnisth (o opoios einai... poly arrwstos)

Kala, mas paei dhladh gia 8essalonikh mesw Ale3androupolhs...

Para poly mou arese kai to "Street story".
O an8rwpos elefantas exei to fobero adagio toy Barber.

Nothing but me (h kapws etsi teleiwnei). Sygkloonistikh...

[freak brother]

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H tainia einai phxtra stous symbolismous, kai to prwto pragma pou prepei na katalabei kapoios blepontas thn tainia einai oti blepoume thn istoria apo to myalo tou prwtagwnisth (o opoios einai... poly arrwstos).

Egw exw katalabei to ekshs xontra-xontra.

O prwtagwnisths mpainei sthn fylakh gia ton fono ths gynaikas tou. H tainia ksekinaei me to koudouni (opoios thymatai) kai teleiwnei peripou me thn idia skhnh. Opote katalabaineis oti o Lynch paizei me ton xrono, xwris bebaia na sou dinei safeis endeikseis pote paei pisw. Proswpika pisteyw oti mexri thn stigmh ths fylakishs ola eksellisontai swsta, mexri thn stigmh ths metamorfwshs, pou einai sthn ousia ena diarkes flashback mexri thn arxh ths tainias (sto shmeio pou tou xwnei mpounia o mpatsos kai ton ksypnaei).

Ta panta einai symbolismoi. H gkomena, o mafiozos, oi kameres, h kalyba pou flegetai antistrofa, o Mystery Man... mexri kai o dromos einai symbolo. Sthn pragmatikothta exei symbei ena gegonos: O prwtagwnisths skotwse thn gynaika tou. Kai apo kei kai meta o Lynch mas deixnei pws katelhkse h istoria s'ayto to gegonos. Apo thn arxh o antras fainetai pou arneitai oti thn skotwse. Kai synexws, mexri to telos ths tainias den dexetai ayto to gegonos. Zei mia synexh katastash arnhshs ths pragmatikothtas... se shmeio pou sto myalo tou apofasizei na mhn einai o eaytos tou, kai ginetai o nearos pou douleyei sto fanartzidiko (h prwth metamorfwsh). Afou biwnei polla perierga pragmata ws nearos ftanei se ena shmeio pou exei paei sthn erhmo kai gamietai me thn gkomena kai ekeinh tou leei "you'll never have me". Kai shkwnetai kai einai pali o eaytos tou! (2h metamorfwsh). Ayto deixnei ekeinh th stigmh oti o prwtagwnisths mesa s'olo ayto to psema pou zouse antilambanetai pros stigmh thn pragmatikothta kai ginetai ksana o eaytos tou. Se ena sygkekrimeno plano an thymaste, deixnei thn kalyba pou flegetai antistrofa kai meta apo thn porta bgainei o Mystery Man. Krathste to ayto ypopsin, dioti telika h kalyba symbolizei thn zwh pou zouse o prwtagwnisths, oi floges einai ta arnhtika synaisthimata tou pou sygkentrwnontai se ena meros.... kai mesa ap'ola ayta gennietai o Mystery Man o opoios einai sthn ousia ola ta asxhma synaisthimata tou, h synaisthimatikh tou orgh kata kapoio tropo. Thymithike sthn skhnh tou fonou pou o mafiozos exei rhksei ton prwtagwnisth katw kai kapoios dinei ston prwtagwnisth ena maxairi, kai kobei ton laimo tou mafiozou... Kai meta emfanizetai o Mystery Man na skotwnei me ena peristrofo ton mafiozo, alla akribws sto epomeno plano o Mystery Man xanetai kai to peristrofo to krataei o prwtagwnisths! Einai katharo shmadi oti o Mystery Man einai h orgh, h synaisthimatikh fortish tou prwtagwnisth pou telika ton bohthaei (kai ton wthei) sto na skotwsei. To thema bebaia einai TI skotwnei... O mafiozos mallon ekfrazei tis amfibolies tou prwtagwnisth sth zwh tou... tis anasfaleies tou, tous fobous tou oti h gynaika tou einai apisth kai phdietai me allous. Kai skotwnontas ayton (o opoios mallon einai kai pragmatiko proswpo, den kserw) pairnei apofash na skotwsei thn gynaika tou...

Ws nearos pisteyw oti o prwtagwnisths biwnei thn zwh ths gynaikas tou... mpainei in her shoes... Opws kai h ksanthia gamiotan m'ayton otan aytos ypotithetai eixe gkomena (h opoia gkomena einai antistoixa aytos sth fantasia tou) etsi kai h gynaika tou sthn pragmatikothta phdiotan kai m'ayton (kai den to xairontousan, opws akribws h gkomena rwtaei ton nearo kati san "why don't you like me?") alla kai me ton allo ton mafiozo. H ksanthia gkomena einai ayto pou fanhke sthn tainia. Enas peirasmos. H gynaika pou thes na gamhseis otan eisai desmeymenos... Kai argotera, me tis binteokassetes kai tis kameres... aytes einai h pragmatikothta. Gi'ayto prwtagwnisths ths apofeygei... den thelei na blepei thn pragmatikothta...

Ta back and forths sthn tainia einai para polla, oi symbolismoi einai poly eksypnoi kai thelei polles wres na skeftw ti allo mporei na ginetai. Alla nomizw oti bohthisa arketa pollous na katalaboun peripou ti ginetai...

To mynhma pisw ap'olh ayth thn istoria? Proswpika pisteyw oti o Lynch leei na mhn ta paratame, na exoume pisth ston eayto mas kai na exoume ta @@ na biwnoume thn pragmatikothta se olh ths thn ektash.... kati pou einai poly dyskolo giati mas aresei na koroideyoume ton eayto mas kai protimame thn eyxaristhsh para thn alhtheia. Oi anthrwpoi einai aisthitikistes kai ayth h tainia to apodeiknyei peritrana, mono pou yparxei kai ayto to mikro pragma pou legetai "typseis", ta opoia omws exoun terastio antiktypo sthn apodoxh twn dikwn mas psemmatwn apo ton eayto mas... Kai sthn tainia akoma kai sto telos o prwtagwnisths einai xamenos entelws, sthn ystath stigmh pou tha pethanei akoma psaxnei na brei mia nea taytothta, na metamorfwthei se kati allo, se kati pou den einai kai den apodexetai ton eayto tou.

Well, that sums it up.

To kalytero pragma m'ayth thn tainia einai oti mporw na thn parallhlisw me ena kalo album mousikhs... mporw na th dw ksana kai ksana kai ksana...

se mia tainia tou aggelopoulou (den thymamai se pia) se mia fash vgainoun kapioi anthrwpoi apo ena kafeneio kai anoigoun oloi mavres ompreles..
Oi kritikoi kinhmatografou arxisan na exumnoun thn skhnh autoi kai na analyoun tous symvolismous ths...

kai otan rwthsan ton aggelopoulo ti hthele na pei eipe...

O kur pantelhs pou exei to kafeneio den hthele na vgalei thn tampela "kafeneio o pantelhs" kai anagkasthkame na anoixoume tis ompreles gia na mhn fainetai h tampela.

auto

[Medusa]

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se mia tainia tou aggelopoulou (den thymamai se pia) se mia fash vgainoun kapioi anthrwpoi apo ena kafeneio kai anoigoun oloi mavres ompreles..
Oi kritikoi kinhmatografou arxisan na exumnoun thn skhnh autoi kai na analyoun tous symvolismous ths...

kai otan rwthsan ton aggelopoulo ti hthele na pei eipe...

O kur pantelhs pou exei to kafeneio den hthele na vgalei thn tampela "kafeneio o pantelhs" kai anagkasthkame na anoixoume tis ompreles gia na mhn fainetai h tampela.

auto

xaxaxa gelaw astamathta.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(mhpws htan h prosfath "To leibadi pou dakryzei"?

[freak brother]

oxi den thymamai pia htan.. to metewro vhma i think

[Dimitra]

Ok, allo omws na anarwtiesai gia mia skini ti ithele na pei h ti sumbolize ki allo gia mia olokliri tainia, etsi? :wink:
Anyway, tha sumfwnisw me to Phoebus

To kalytero pragma m'ayth thn tainia einai oti mporw na thn parallhlisw me ena kalo album mousikhs... mporw na th dw ksana kai ksana kai ksana...

[Eloch]

Δεν είναι και πολύ δύσκολη ταινία αν έχεις δεί και το Mulholland Dr. και όλες όσες έχει κάνει.Ακολουθεί περίπου την ίδια τακτική.Ψιλοαφηρημένη μου φάνηκε,πάντως με καλύψανε σε μεγάλο ποσοστό οι απόψεις Phoebus.

[FIXXXER]

Oraia tha katso na to diavaso giati den dexomai oti mia tainia autou tou stul den exei exigisi. Opos xekathari exigisi exei kai to Mulholland.

[House Of Low Culture]

Arxika.
@fixxer :moutza:

ontopic twra.
Kataplhktiki tainia.

[Chopped In Half]

optika ontws, kataplhktikh. kata ta alla, psilo-meh. exei poly kalutera imo.

[FIXXXER]

Pros ti i mountza? Exo dikio i oxi?