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ManWhoSoldTheWorld
30-08-2003, 17:13
Den exw dei polles evrwpaikes tainies,to paradexomai. Antitheta oi mexri twra agapimenes mou tainies einai sxedon oles amerikanikes. Kati omws pou anakalipsa itan oti polles amerikanikes akolouthoun ena motivo to opoio apefthinetai se atoma me xamili antilipsi pou vlepoun to cinema kai tis tainies akoma ws ena fantasmagoriko meso me apotelesma na ksefevgoun apo to realismo. Antitheta polles evrwpaikes tainies diakrinodai gia to realismo tous opws to Das Experiment gia paradigma i to POLU sokaristiko Irriversible. Exw paratirisei padws oti merikes kainourgies tainies opws to Porfira Potamia teinoun na akolouthisoun ta amerikanika motiva. Ti lete? E? :eek:
ManWhoSoldTheWorld
30-08-2003, 17:16
a kai by the way ti lete gia to eksofilaki mas? :B
symposium_lexotanil
30-08-2003, 17:24
xm den ksero.
apo ti mia mou ti spane autoi pou aporriptoun ton amerikaniko kinimatografo vazontas ta ola sto idio tsouvali kai tautoxrona ektheiazoun akoma kai tin pio dithen-kai-kala-koultoure europaiki tainia,alla apo tin alli einai gegonos oti to amerikaniko sinema polles fores akolouthei mia pepatimeni (klasiko senario me elafry lav stori,apousia analysis xaraktiron ktl).
ta pragmata einai apla.
yparxoun kala pragmata kai apo auti ti meria tou atlantikou kai apo tin alli (ax pos ta leo o omofylofilos).logiko einai na yparxoun perissotera skoupidia sto amerikaniko sinema logw tis plithoras tainion pou vgainoun kathe xrono.
rincewind2k
30-08-2003, 17:35
asxeto alla diabase auto: http://metaphilm.com/philm.php?id=69_0_2_0
exei plaka. Symperasmata apo enan amerikano gia tous eurwpaious basismena se euwpaikes tainies, kai o antistrofos antilogos.
pantws symfwnw me ton symp. ta epithdeymena "dhthen" kai oi geloies amerikanies einai eksisou ilithia.
An kai exw dei liges eyrwpaikes tainies, kai akoma ligoteres mporw na pw oti einai "agaphmenes" mou.
Pantws tipota den einai black&white. Pollh plempa kai liges kales tainies kai apo tis dyo meries tou atlantikou (accross the pond pou lene kai oi Bad Religion)
asxeto 2: To "Enas Enantiwn Olwn" tou Gaspar Noe to exei dei kaneis?
StationEleven
30-08-2003, 17:38
eurwpaikos psagmenos,amerikanikos 8eamatikos...dystyxws to hollywood perna mprosta logo twn fragkwn pou paizoun ekei kai ton visual effect pou se mageuoun alla krima pane xamenes polles eurwpaikes tainies
pantws kati adelofthta twn lykwn,porfira potamia kai ta sxetika xynoun sth mapa polous xoligountianous :)
StationEleven
30-08-2003, 17:41
(ax pos ta leo o omofylofilos).
ela mazepse malaka to kafe pou mou xy8yke apo ta gelia :smilee:
symposium_lexotanil
30-08-2003, 17:49
e afou de sou xythike apo to potiri no problem
rincewind2k
30-08-2003, 17:52
pragmati sta fragka einai to thema
syn to oti den mporeis na sygkrineis "Amerikh" (=sxedon apokleistika Hollywood, USA) me "Eyrwph" (fantazomai oti apo gallia mexri boulgaria kai apo Adelfato Lukwn mexti Underground ola "eyrwpaika" tampelwnontai=terastio xasma)
Buddy Lackey
30-08-2003, 17:58
kales tainies vgenoun kai apo ta dio pantws...
o diaxwrismos apo tis mexri stigmis tainies pou xo dei kai apo evropaiko kai amerikaniko egkeitai sto eksis:
ston amerikaniko (kiriws panta), i domi einai sigekrimeni : irwas, irwes- maxi tou me otidipote kai enas prosopikos agwnas, me epikentro omws ton agwna kai tin ekseliksi tou, i ptwsi, i niki kai meta mia ..katharsi kserw gw kai afto itane.
evropaikos: teleiws psixografikos , na psixologei kai na analiei xaraktires perisotero apo tin ipothesi , exontas epikentro tin simperifora kai oxi tin katastasi stin opoia vrisketai o allos.kai isxiei kai o apisteftos REALISMOS pou eipe o man who sold the world , to ekswfilo kalouli einai.
epishs ston evropaiko sinithws to telos den paizei kanena rolo , i toulaxiston den einai perisotero simantiko oso kathe lepto tou ergou.
Kveldssanger
30-08-2003, 18:23
De nomizo oti o amerikanikos kinhmatografos einai mono to Hollywood... Exoun vgei tromera kales tainies apo dhmiourgous pou exoun polla pragmata na poun... Apo tin alli o eyropaikos kinimatografos exei arxisei siga-siga na ginetai mainstream, pragma pou apo ti mia einai kalo giati skinothetes pou allios tha itan agnostoi arxizoun kai vlepoun ti douleia tous na anagnorizetai, apo tin alli yparxei mias tasis na afomoiosoun Hollywoodiana stoixeia (p.x. h adelfotita ton lykon, pou vevaia itan kali tainia, alla kathara prosanatolismeni se pio Hollywood formes)... Kai stis dyo "sxoles" kinhmatografou yparxoun diafores taseis... Vevaia den eida na anaferetai katholou o kinhmatografos tis apo anatolis (Iaponia, Kina klp).... Japan rules :p
symposium_lexotanil
30-08-2003, 18:31
xm den exo dei oute lepto apo anatolitika pramata (ektos apo ta rings kai to mati),alla exo mia elafra prokatalipsi apenanti stous asiates....pantos to oti o europaikos kinimatografos ginetai olo kai pio mainstream,emena me euxaristei,kathws fainetai na exei ekleipsei to agxos pou diakateixe kapoious dimiourgous na diaferoun apo to miaro xoligount.mia fovia pou tous othouse merikes fores na vgaloun kati ksexoristo me apotelesma tis dithen-koultoure-kai-kala-akatalavistikes tainies pou exoun vgei kata kairous.
tespa deite funny games,an thele na xareite europaiko sinema pera apo normes,formes kai ormEs.
fdafds
freak brother
30-08-2003, 18:49
evrwpaikos rules almodovar,felini,monty pythons , genika pio endiaferon senaria kai pio kontinh se mas (tous evrwpaious)plokh kai tropos skepshs.Katholou prosoxh sta efe alla perissotero sthn fwtografia ths tainias
symposium_lexotanil
30-08-2003, 18:57
oi monty python itan apla idiofyeis.o almodovar de maresei..episis osa erga klasikon italon exo dei,nai men einai poly doulemena alla me kourazoun ligaki..(oxi pos exo dei kai polla e)
atom_smasher
31-08-2003, 00:46
eimai swvinisths.zhtw o eurwpaikos kinhmatografos.ellatwmata vevaia exei.alla euxaristiemai kai polles amerikanikes tainies.hollywood h mh.vasika buddy kai sympo kalupsan arketa tis apopseis mou.
Solo Carriera
31-08-2003, 02:18
amerikanikos.
Amnesiac.
31-08-2003, 02:32
o ispanikos kinimatografos einai skata kai prepei na psofisoun oloi oi ispanoi skinothetes kai senariografoi kai ithopoioi me prwto ton almodovar kai amesws meta tin penelope cruz.
symposium_lexotanil
31-08-2003, 03:26
i penelope krouz einai to rezilema kai to ekseutelismos ton ennoion "ithopoios" kai "gynaika"
ManWhoSoldTheWorld
31-08-2003, 15:46
emena padws sto vanilla sky mou arese i penelope (i tainia gamage manes) kathws kai to mila tis mou arese. Pantws otan skeftomai evrwpaiko kinimatografo mou erxetai sto mialo pio polu gallia kai agglia.
Buddy Lackey
31-08-2003, 15:49
tha prepe na sou rxetai kai italia gia ta kala ..
Dragonlord
31-08-2003, 16:12
ki egw exw mia sympa8eia ston eurwpaiko kinhmatografo,ka8ws exei ligoteres tainies-proionta (kati pou 8a aresei se pollous kai 8a ferei fragka) kai perissoteres pio proswpikes.auto de shmainei pws de vgainoun prwsopikes tainies apo amerikh (px ghost world) h oti de mou aresoun kai oi mainstream hollywoodianes paragwges (mono oi ypervolika kales omws pleon,ka8ws tis exw vare8ei).pantws persi h agaphmenh mou tainia apo autes pou eida htan filandikh,to man without a past tou kaourismaki.a epishs h adelfothta twn lykwn mou arese para poly ws paradeigma poiotikhs tainias me emporikes a3iwseis,mia poly kalh apanthsh stis moufes pou mas taizei synh8ws to hollywood.elpizw se analogh synexeia (arkei na mhn katavrox8isei h emporikoura kai ton edw kinhmatografo)
morphine
31-08-2003, 19:43
De mporw para na sumfwnhsw me to sympo:
yparxoun kala pragmata kai apo auti ti meria tou atlantikou kai apo tin alli (ax pos ta leo o omofylofilos).logiko einai na yparxoun perissotera skoupidia sto amerikaniko sinema logw tis plithoras tainion pou vgainoun kathe xrono.
apo tis agaphmenes mou tainies einai to billy elliot (asxeto)
StationEleven
31-08-2003, 21:01
ontws to vanilla sky htan aristourghmatiko
epishs aporw pws mporeite na deite iapwnikh tainia....oute ena lepto den antexw :p
Solo Carriera
31-08-2003, 22:21
to vanilla sky htan amerikaniko remake se eurwpaikh tainia...
safdsafdsafdsfda
ManWhoSoldTheWorld
01-09-2003, 00:52
emena padws to vanilla sky einai i agapimeni mou tainia so far ever (alithia lew) isws mou perasei i porwsi alla apla twra einai i agapimeni mou.
morphine
01-09-2003, 01:02
to vanilla sky htan amerikaniko remake se eurwpaikh tainia...
safdsafdsafdsfda
h eurwpaikh elege tpt?
rincewind2k
01-09-2003, 01:02
malakia htane.
so there.
sobara, malakia mou fanhke.
Kveldssanger
01-09-2003, 01:14
epishs aporw pws mporeite na deite iapwnikh tainia....oute ena lepto den antexw :p
Dyo lexeis mono... Takeshi Kitano...
katwrimos
01-09-2003, 01:29
kai stis dio sxoles iparxun kales kai kakes tenies, pantos se genikes grames otan gia mia europaiki tenia akus kala logia einai kali eno gia mia amerikaniki den ksereis ti einai mexri na tin dis idiois omasi.
Apo kei kai pera O ALMODOVAR GAMAEI opoios den to katalavainei as xtipisei to kefali tu ston tixo i as kopsei ta nexotanil :p
Solo Carriera
01-09-2003, 01:35
h eurwpaikh elege tpt?
Den exw idea, den thn exw dei. Nomizw pws einai tou almodovar, miso na to koitaksw...
OK.
To afthentiko einai tainia tou Alejandro Amenαbar (kai oxi Almodovar) gyristike to 97 kai legetai "Abre los ojos" (Agglikos titlos "Open you eyes") kai prwtagonistei kai pali h penelope cruz.
An to petyxw pouthena tha to tsekarw.
Gia perisoteres plirofories: http://www.imdb.com H http://www.allmovies.com
rincewind2k
01-09-2003, 01:36
nexotanil :p
bariemai kai kanw malakies posts
ManWhoSoldTheWorld
01-09-2003, 22:10
o amenabar gamei. to abre los ojos to exei grapsei o idios opws kai to "Oi Alloi" nomizw to opoio skinothetei.vanilla sky kai ksero pswmi
An oti kalytero exei na epideiksei o eyropaikos kinhmatografos einai to "irreversible" pshfizo xalara amerikaniko akoma ki an den ksero ti einai ;P
Kai btw oi giaponezoi/kinezoi (panta tous mperdeya) einai poly diestrammenoi... kai ta Ring 0, 1, 2 einai klaseis anotera apo thn amerikanikh perilhpsh. Ouf ta eipa :)
ManWhoSoldTheWorld
02-09-2003, 00:47
ama exeis dei to The Ring aksizei na deis to ringu 0 1 2 ?
Kveldssanger
02-09-2003, 00:47
Mono emena mou fanike to Ring (to giaponeziko. siga min do to amerikaniko pou kata koini omologia einai xeirotero) vlakeia... Apolyta vareti tainia, me kapoies skines na vgazoun gelio (gi' ayto isos na eftaige kai h parea)....
Antitheta to The Eye itan mia poly kaloftiagmeni tainia, me oraio senario kai skinothesia, an kai makria apo tin tainia tromou poy diafimizan...
rincewind2k
02-09-2003, 01:19
mono se mena aresei to Irreversible...?
morphine
02-09-2003, 01:30
Mono emena mou fanike to Ring (to giaponeziko. siga min do to amerikaniko pou kata koini omologia einai xeirotero) vlakeia... Apolyta vareti tainia, me kapoies skines na vgazoun gelio (gi' ayto isos na eftaige kai h parea)....
emena me phre o upnos sto giapwneziko. To amerikaniko oute pou to eida. Isws giati arese se kati paidia sto brighton pou exoun iq=0 opote 8ewrhsa oti den exei nohma na to dw
tsampa na paei oloklhro iq=40?
asdfsad
Dragonlord
02-09-2003, 01:35
rince ki emena marese.poly entono
ManWhoSoldTheWorld
02-09-2003, 02:34
emena de borw na pw oti mou arese, alla to thewrw ksexwristi tainia. Kiniki kai realistiki. De tha to ksanavlepa oxi giati de mou arese alla giati me tarakse polu.
rincewind2k
02-09-2003, 02:53
eiste kai oi dyo filarakia mou sas agapaw
xm den exo dei oute lepto apo anatolitika pramata (ektos apo ta rings kai to mati)
Oxumoro, xazouli. :D Ego theoro oti otan mia tainia einai kali, de paei na einai amerikaniki, de paei na einai kai alvaniki, ti simasia exei... oles kales einai.
symposium_lexotanil
02-09-2003, 16:19
poion eipes oxymoro re mouni?????
......
Solo Carriera
10-12-2004, 21:36
pantws kati adelofthta twn lykwn,porfira potamia kai ta sxetika xynoun sth mapa polous xoligountianous :)
εν τω μεταξύ αυτές οι δύο είναι απο τις πιο "αμερικάνικες" ευρωπαϊκές.
(πολύ καθυστερημένο σχόλιο)
πάντως είχε πλάκα που τότε γράφαμε 5 άτομα όλα κι όλα.
The Nerd
10-12-2004, 21:37
HOLLYWOOD ALL TEH WAY!!!
Eric Theodore Cartman
10-12-2004, 21:49
YU'RP!
eidika bretanikos kai gallikos.
starxidiamou oi yperparagwges, o evrwpaikos kinhmatografos einai -se genikes grammes- eksypnoteros skhnothetika.
xm den ksero.
apo ti mia mou ti spane autoi pou aporriptoun ton amerikaniko kinimatografo vazontas ta ola sto idio tsouvali kai tautoxrona ektheiazoun akoma kai tin pio dithen-kai-kala-koultoure europaiki tainia,alla apo tin alli einai gegonos oti to amerikaniko sinema polles fores akolouthei mia pepatimeni (klasiko senario me elafry lav stori,apousia analysis xaraktiron ktl).
ta pragmata einai apla.
yparxoun kala pragmata kai apo auti ti meria tou atlantikou kai apo tin alli (ax pos ta leo o omofylofilos).logiko einai na yparxoun perissotera skoupidia sto amerikaniko sinema logw tis plithoras tainion pou vgainoun kathe xrono.
ayto. ta eipe ola.
/clock
freak brother
11-12-2004, 01:19
o eurwpaikos kinhmatografos htan einai kai tha einai pio peiramatikos kai logo eleipshs budget kai logo diaforas koultouras-nootropias.
h malakia einai oti o amerikanikos cinema(s) exei to monopwlio kai exei kai thn dunamh ths propagandas . den proteinei kati diaforetiko sunhthws alla kati anamashmeno . Yparxei ena vivlio pou legete "ta 6 senaria tou hollywood" kai leei auto pou leei o titlos.. oti sto hollyuwood yparxoun ousiastika 6 senaria ta opoia anakatevonte metaxy tous kai vgazoun tainies :P
h eleipsh empneushs fainete alwste kai apo ta polla remakes :P
o eurwpaikos kinhmatografos htan einai kai tha einai pio peiramatikos kai logo eleipshs budget kai logo diaforas koultouras-nootropias.
Arxidia. Kathe tainia einai xehoristi den exei na kanei me to se poio kinima anikei. Yparxei o Germanos Tykwer, o Amerikanos Burton ki ena soro gamatoi skinothetes pou einai gamatoi epeidi apla etsi einai ki oxi logo tis katagogis tous.
ManWhoSoldTheWorld
11-12-2004, 18:41
allwste iparxoun kai merikes evrwpaikes tainies pou einai polu kalogirismenes kai pithanotata poludapanes.
episis oi galloi pane na kanoun to evrwpaiko hollywood.
freak brother
11-12-2004, 23:42
allwste iparxoun kai merikes evrwpaikes tainies pou einai polu kalogirismenes kai pithanotata poludapanes.
episis oi galloi pane na kanoun to evrwpaiko hollywood.
den milaw gia tis exaireseis milaw gia ton meso oro
freak brother
11-12-2004, 23:44
o eurwpaikos kinhmatografos htan einai kai tha einai pio peiramatikos kai logo eleipshs budget kai logo diaforas koultouras-nootropias.
Arxidia. Kathe tainia einai xehoristi den exei na kanei me to se poio kinima anikei. Yparxei o Germanos Tykwer, o Amerikanos Burton ki ena soro gamatoi skinothetes pou einai gamatoi epeidi apla etsi einai ki oxi logo tis katagogis tous.
san na les oti ta viwmata den ephreazoun tous kalitexnes..
parthenogenesh loipon!
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