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MoRmEnGiL

27-08-2003, 19:01

exoume kai leme
egw paizw apo to 92 peripou,3ekinhsa me dnd oxi to advanced to aplo dnd :D
asxoloume me 2nd edition,3rd edition kai agaphmenoi kosmoi einai dragonlance,ravenloft,planescape kai dark sun :D
episeis eimai fanatikos MERP (middle earth role playing)
osoi diabazate kapote metal invader isws eixate [petyxei mai parousiash tou setting ,e egw eixa kanei ta keimena tespa,asxeta an telika de balane to onoma mou :P
akoma paizw vampire kai genika goustarw world of darkness ths white wolf.
umm ti allo? aaa,fysika legend of the five rings,oxi to neo to d20,to palio fusika :D
kai exw asxolh8ei me shadowrun,alla den exei katsei na pai3w akoma.pou 8a paei omws?8a brw kaan dm,de 8a brw? an kai einai maniki to gamhdi :PpP

Sargonnas

27-08-2003, 19:56

paizw 5 xronia. ksekinhsa me Dragonlance synexisa me Dragonlance kai 8a synexisw me Dragonlance.exw paiksei omws kai fr kai ravenloft kai dark sun kai star wars kai kati alla poy den 8ymamai twra :P

TYR

27-08-2003, 20:50

Well,well.Apo oti vlepw mia an8hsh epikratei sta Role Play Games genikotera.Auto einai euxaristo gegonos,giati vare8hka na niw8w oti anhkw se mia polu mikrh meiopshfia Ellhnwn pou asxolountai.Edw sthn katerinh eimaste polu ligoi pou asxoloumaste me rpg.Kuriws dwsame emfash se Ravenloft kai Forgotten Realms asxeta pou exoume kana 2-3 campaign settings akoma.

MoRmEnGiL

27-08-2003, 20:50

kai kati alla poy den 8ymamai twra :P
ou gar erxete monon.. :p
ti na ginei,oso gername 3exname :p
pantws pai3e merp.kanei kalo sto sykwti :PPpPp

nikodimos

27-08-2003, 21:18

Einai krima olos o kosmo na paizei mono DD. Einai polu kalo sto stul tou (exw bgalei mpolika campaigns) alla den mporei na prosomoiwsei allous kosmous apo autous gia tous opoious einai ftiagmeno (high fantasy). Auth h istoria me to 3rd edition modern einai malakia. Den einai ta rpg computers na 8eloun eniaia platforma kai sumbatothta.

That being said, 8a proteina na dokimasete anepifulakta ta Paranoia (apisteuto gelio), Amber (diceless kai perierga kalo), Call of Cthulu (ta kalutera senaria paragwghs ever) kai Trinity (sci fi).

Fetos 8a pai3w DM se Unknown Armies, metamonterno sugxrono me periergh mageia. Na doume...

MoRmEnGiL

27-08-2003, 21:27

exeis apolyto dikio,einai krima na paizoune oloi adnd kai na agnooune ola t aalla settings :/ dld to world of darkness einai kati anepanalhpto.kai to legend of the five rings to rpg mo uarese pragmatika poly,kai ws kanones,kai ws filosofia kai genika :)
kai h koryfh fysika einai to MERP :P psofa uktena :D

Uktena

27-08-2003, 23:15

loipon na poume arxika oti den exei shmasia poso xronia, mhnes h wres paizei kapoios alla to pws paizei kai prwpantws pws niw8ei.8ewrw ton eayto mou tyxero epeidh xw8hka apo polu mikros sta RPG (aderfe eisai 8eos kai se eyxarhstw) kai etsi apekthsa arketh empeiria kai eida polla different games.sunepws play as much as you can
epishs dokimaste kati diaforetiko oxi mono a/d&d, WoD, Chtulhu ola plhn tou d&d 3rd edition einai e3airetika alla uparxoun kapoia things pou na xtypiomaste den ta prosferoun. etsi proteinw Riffs (sci fi,robots and stuff), Paranoia kai H.O.L. :headbang: (Human Occupied Landfill) gia na gelasete se apusteuto ba8mo,Witchcraft (maggises tou salem kets basizetai se pragmatika stoixeia apo iera e3etash kai salem), Illuminati (secret societies), Project Green an 8umamai kala h Delta Green (mustikes uphresies kai e3wghinoi :alien2: ), Detectives (akribws oti leei to onoma),kai polla alla .
atyxes gegonos : to RPG sthn Ellada diwketai ws ena ba8mo einai akoma kati 3eno etsi xanoume polla a3iologa games .
Lush : internet kai pistwtikh ka8ws kai aperioristh upomonh mexri na er8ei h paraggelia apo e3wteriko.
telos a3izei na anaferoume pws uparxoun kai a3iologes prospa8eies gia ellhnika RPG :greece: ta opoia aforoun diafores epoxes ths arxaias kai neoterhs istorias ths xwras mas. As elpisoume pws apoteloun mia arxh kai 8a sunexisoume me a3iologes prospa8eies se ayto to xwro para ta osa problhmata uparxoun kai ta asxhma sxolia ta opoia akougontai kata kairous. einai krima sta prwta bhmata twn ellhnikwn Rpg na mhn ta sthrizoume alla anti8etws na ta 8aboume. me ayton ton tropo den 8a kataferoume pote kati kalo se ellhniko epipedo...
tespa 3efyga sorry
summary : psa3te gia ta diaforetika RPGs 3efygete apo ta sunh8hsmena einai enas xwros pragmati terastios me polles epiloges polu kales ews e3airetikes ikanes na ikanopoihsoun ka8e karudias karudi.Dystyxws xreiazetai psa3imo polu kai lefta.

:blaser:mormengil :wstupid: ante kai psof leme esu kai to MERP :toilet: sou :)

MoRmEnGiL

27-08-2003, 23:34

miso,paw..
a.
merp ownz yer arse...
paixte kai shadowrun..kanei kalo sthn kardia.

nikodimos

28-08-2003, 01:37

na poume arxika oti den exei shmasia poso xronia, mhnes h wres paizei kapoios alla to pws paizei kai prwpantws pws niw8ei
Na sumfwnhsw kat' arxas me duo mikra sxolia. Exei shmasia o xronos ton opoio paizeis gia ton logo oti to RPG einai xronoboro (kai xrhmoboro) hobby kai duskola prolabaineis na deis arketa pragmata an eisai ston xwro px 2 xronia. Oso gia to pws paizeios apla den nomizw oti uparxei swstos tropos. To na pernas kala einai to basiko. Exoume oloi gelasei me kapoia groups pou paizoun hack n' slash Vampire alla an autoi goustaroun magkia tous. Apla den kollane me to diko mou stul kai auto mallon kalo einai, na uparxei poikilia.

Project Green an 8umamai kala h Delta Green
Delta Green. Apo tis kaluteres kuklofories olwn twn epoxwn. Sthn Ellada to eixa dei mono sth 8essalonikh afou eixa apelpistei kai to eixa parei apo Agglia. :dangry:

Ksekinhsa peri to 1989 me 1990, me to klassiko Mauro-Kokkino kouti tou Dungeons & Dragons opou sto ekswfullo tou enas ftwxos fighter prospa8ouse na skotwsei enan red dragon pou etoimazotan na kserasei to breath weapon, me ena tsekouri
Xexe to exw ki egw auto... Twra pleon krataei kati miniatoures to kouti. Eixe kai ena apisteuto dungeon mesa, les kai htan zwologikos khpos me tosa eidh humanoid. Ti mou 8umises twra...

When Black Roses Bloom

28-08-2003, 01:55

Ksekinhsa peri to 1989 me 1990, me to klassiko Mauro-Kokkino kouti tou Dungeons & Dragons opou sto ekswfullo tou enas ftwxos fighter prospa8ouse na skotwsei enan red dragon pou etoimazotan na kserasei to breath weapon, me ena tsekouri :P. H porwsh htan megalh, emeis hmastan mikra, kai oi wres kulousan anemela, me merika xartia xarakthrwn mono, meika molubia kai xartia, zaria kai apeirh fantasia. But alas (:P) h moira 8a mas epaize ena frikto paixnidi..... Giati mesa se enan xrono peripou anakalupsame to ADVANCED Dungeons & Dragons, me tous ekseligmenous kanones, gia to paixnidi.... Ta xrhmata mas arxisan na kanoun ftera, opws kai emeis, kai ta ma8hmata, kai oi goneis mas na mas psaxnoun mesw tou ery8rou stayrou.....
Ta xronia perasan... H TSR, ebgale ta antera ths se products, kai emeis agorazame san palaboi na ta prolaboume ola..
Kai tote ma8ame oti uparxoun kai alla susthmata..... O KOSMOS MAS KATEREYSE!!! ola osa kserame htan ena psema!!! :P zousame se mia planh tosa xronia!!!! AAAAARG!!! Eprepe na mazepsoume oti mporousame!!! Eprepe na paiksoume RPG!!! Ayth htan h periodos 1994-1997 (kai ligo apo to 1998), opou ena orgio susthmatwn perase apo ta xeria mas. Fasa corporation, CyberPunk games opws Shadowrun pou opws anefere kai o filtatos morm einai APEIRA gamisenio oswn afora tous kanones, (kai an kapoios GameMaster bre8ei kai mporei na paiksei session, 8a tou kanw agalma). CoC, h opws einai eurutera gnwsto Call Of Cthulhu, kai milame gia thn 5th edition me d100 system h opoia OWNZ, Inomine, the eternal strugle against Heaven and Hell, Vampire: The Masquerade kai The Dark Ages, Mage: The Ascension, Wraith: The Oblivion, (polu prin er8ei ellada, apo ena foititario sthn Agglia :P), Star Wars, Strategy games me figoures.... Oti mporouse na pesei sto xeri mas, oti eixe zaria, kai xrhshmopoiouse xartia xarakthrwn..... Htan mia epoxh megalhs empneyshs :P.

Eidikotera, hmoun kai eimai fan tou Gothic tromou, opwte to Ravenloft egine to deytero spiti mou. Bebaia, opws poloi alloi, ksekinhsa me to Tales Of The Lance, apo Dragonlance, kai me to Forgotten Realms Boxed Set.... Palies kales epoxes....

SHMEIWSH: Apo Ravenloft ta exw sxedon OLA, opwte oti 8ete me rwtate na sas pw :PPPPP.

Ayta ta oliga, an kai kapoia exw ksexasei.... :jark:

BooBooKittyFuck

28-08-2003, 06:50

egw lepon eimai ena polu kainourio paidaki se auto to xwro afou paizw sxedon 1,5 xrono mono. ksekinhsa me vampire kai isws auto na euthinete gia thn agaph mou pros to wod perissotero apo oti sta upoloipa rpg. sthn suntomh mexri stigmhs "kariera" mou exw kataferei na paiksw vampire, cthulhu, kamposes fores adnd ligo demon kai elaxisto ars magica. kai meta erxete to allo thema tou ti THELW na paiksw. THELW TA PANTA THELW OLA THELW CHANGELING, WRAITH, MAGE ENGEL THELW THELW THELWWWWWW.auta

MoRmEnGiL

28-08-2003, 08:20

den eisai h monh agaphth xristina.
8ELLW NA PAI3W SHADOWRUN,BREITE MOU DM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:rangry: :rangry:
an mporeite dm sthn patra parakalw.
:ggrin: :ggrin:

MoRmEnGiL

28-08-2003, 08:24

a.bloom,sbhse to prwto hmiteles post e? :p

Deggial

28-08-2003, 14:08

Έχω ξεκινήσει Shadowrun campaign με το party μου, το παιχνίδι γαμάει. Το κακό είναι πως έχει διαφορετικούς κανόνες για τα πάντα και παίρνει πολύ πολύ καιρό να τους μάθεις.

Το δεύτερο πρόβλημα είναι πως στην Ελλάδα δεν υπάρχει το player's handbook, αφού η FanPro (που αγόρασε την Fasa) δεν το'χει ξανατυπώσει, αλλά στην αποθήκη της έχει κόπιες, οπότε μπορείτε να το παραγγείλετε από το http://www.shadowrunrpg.com/

Ο κόσμος είναι κλασσικός Gibson, με τη μόνη διαφορά την ύπαρξη μαγείας. Προσωπικά δε με ενοχλεί, ενώ άλλοι παίχτες ήθελαν ένα αμιγώς cyberpunk κόσμο.

{NightStalker}

28-08-2003, 15:16

Egw paizei..Klassika exw allaksei ta fota tou adnd,dnd,vtm kai molis anakalypsa to werewolf..THELW NA PEKSW WEREWOLF TORA TORA TORA TORA TORA TORA..Kai mage thelw..THELWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

P.S:Mpas kai poulaei kaneis to dragonlance campaign setting tis deyteris ekdoshs?

||wraith||

28-08-2003, 16:34

nikodhme kai loipoi gnostoi agnostoi tou forum...
kata theto kai go loipon thn apopsh mou os fandasmatikos(kai oxi fandastiko) tou forum
pezo ap to 1994-95(oups perasan hdh...popo x xronia).na dhloso kati...anhko sth meionothta ton atomon pou arxisan to rpg oxi apo d&d alla apo wod ths ww...(paradoxo e?)tespa ayto pou thelo na po ego einai to exeis...1 siga siga oi opadoi tou rpg ayxanonde...ayto einai kalo...
to kako omos einai oti ayxanode kai menoun mono 1 sta gnosta rpgs kai 2me ton tropo tou rpging tous xalane 1 ap ta pio omorfa hobbies...koinos pezoun lathos...ayto dne einai kako gia tous arxarious mexri na mathoun arkei na diorthothoun giati skefthte posa pedia syxenonde to rpg giati pexan me ta lathos atoma....whatever...i m listing...1o kai kaytero vassilias tou rpg wraith the oblivion...2o(kai krimas pou paei xameno) call of ctulhu...3o-4o vmapire the dark ages kai the victorian(na psofhsei to masquerade)!!! kai 5o ravenloft rulez(oxi alla palins pedia vromane....)ayta gia eisagogh....filia se olous sas...

MoRmEnGiL

28-08-2003, 18:14

Deggial se pantreuomai.alla mh mou peis oti eisai agglia?den paizei prob me to rulebook tou shadowrun,to exw (original :P)
i wanna run the friggin' shadowz!!

Deggial

28-08-2003, 19:30

Ελπίζω να ξέρεις να μαγειρεύεις και να καθαρίζεις το πάτωμα τότε :Ρ

Όχι δεν είμαι Αγγλία, Αθήνα είμαι. Μετά το τέλος της εξεταστικής θα συνεχίσουμε το campaign, ωστόσο δεν έχουμε μείνει και πολλοί από το party Αθήνα, οπότε θα χρειαστούμε 2-3 άτομα ακόμα.

nikodimos

28-08-2003, 19:56

Molis emfanistoun opi perissoteroi pou paizoun sto forum mporoume na kanoume kai ena meeting na doume ti mporoume na organwsoume apo gaming.

Uktena

28-08-2003, 21:57

loipon ante na poume pws o morm den a3izei san paixths einai peritto na ton parei kapoios sthn omada tou einai STOKOS LEME!!!! bloom exw ta panta apo ravenloft ektos apo to house of strahd pou to exw ektypwsh kai ta 3 prwta merh tou grand conjuction alla ok egw leme WEREWOLF kai eyxarhstw nikodime delta green loipon e3airetiko game
allo peri meeting lol kai allo meeting? :Ppppppp olo meeting irc meeting
fan club meeting
rpg meeting
twra kai forum meeting
oeoeoeoeoeoeoeoeoe
kalo akougetai ante pame apla mhn kalesoume ton mormengil giati einai STOKOS LEME kai ton wbrb giati pianei xwro :PPPPPPPPp

nikodimos

29-08-2003, 02:26

Na me 3emonaxiaseis 8eleis? Olous tous aperipses! :P

When Black Roses Bloom

29-08-2003, 17:06

uktena ton pairneis.
wbrb,morm.

p.s. grapste kati kai sto diko mou thread reeeeeee!!!!! (wbrb)

MoRnDomine

30-08-2003, 07:58

Skata!!!!! o pio neos eimai edw mesa? :( egw pezw kati mines mono kai exoume ksekinisei 3d edition..toulaxiston omws exoume empeiro dm kai eytixws anexete oti athliotita kanoume (as thimithw to prwto mou session opou egw kai alla dio atoma pou pezame prwth fora thn eipame se NPC wizard apeirou lvl.....kai kataliksame sfagmenoi ;P)

Anyway ayto pou thelw na pw einai pws toulaxiston mexri twra einai gamw kai elpizw na peksw osa pio polla mporw kai na mi perioristw mono se 3d :)

nikodimos

30-08-2003, 16:48

Kalws hr8es sta RPG! Kai mh niw8eis asxhma. Kai 100 xronia na paizeis merikes malakies den tis glutwneis. Oi PCs mou panta sthn 2-3 peripeteia enos neou campaign ta skatwnoun. Exei ginei to gouri tous pleon kai to perimenoun...

Uktena

30-08-2003, 18:51

nikodime palie megale gamer sou lew loipon pws egw eimai o master etsi to eipa asxeto me ola ta alla apla gia na se enhmerwsw na to ma8eis kai esu opws oloi oi alloi .aaaaaaaaa na kanonisoume kai meeting kai na ta poume kai apo konta punny mortals mono pls mhn kalesoume ton mormoli giati einai STOKOS LEME!!! kai ok ayta

MoRmEnGiL

30-08-2003, 20:57

Uktena me kourazei o tropos pou grafeis.dysle3ia exeis paidi mou?h de sou ema8e kaneis ta shmeia sti3hs? :p :p :p

nikodimos

31-08-2003, 21:11

:fangs:

Uktena paidi mou hremhse...

Uktena

01-09-2003, 04:08

loipon tespa bariemai re na bazw shmeia sth3hs kai bariemai na grafw kurille wres otan eimai kurile loipon hdh kapoio thread apo dw mesa ekane meeting emeis tio mprikia kollame? tespa elpizw na kanonisoume kai kana session otidhpote na pai3oume kapoia stigmh lew twra egw idea kets

MoRmEnGiL

01-09-2003, 05:09

kala kala 8a kanonisw egw otan mazepsei kapoion kosmos to forun,don't worry organwth-meeting-wannabe :p afou egw organwnw ta kala meetings ti paleueis? :p :ggrin: :ggrin: :ggrin: :ggrin: :ggrin: :ggrin: :ggrin:

Torm

01-09-2003, 10:17

EP! megia to forum! :) Me thelete stin parea sas? :) Diavaza afta pou legate. Xarika pou einai polys kosmos pou exei gnwrisei ti esti dnd(OXI 3rd) kai 2nd edition!... koinws... GIOUPII! :P
Emena me paresyre o atimos Disaster prin apo 7 xronia s'afta ta kaka paixnidia fantasias. Prwtos mou xarakthras itan enas Thief stin Mystara (nai egw) me DM Dizman.
Apo tote exw paiksei player kyriws se F.Realms, Mystara, Greyhawk, Birthright, Planescape, Ravenloft. Ena feggari eixa kanei kai DM Savage Coast (mia on-line stand alone version tou Red Steel) kai Dark Sun to opoio to poulhsa gia na ksexrewsw xreh (burn me!!!). Prosfata asxolhthika na dw ti einai afto to 3rd edition (to opoio parepipntontws den m'entypwsiase poly). Epaiksa ligo Ravenloft, Forgotten Realms kai Kingdoms of Kalamar. Akomh paliotera eixa arxisei na asxoloumai kai me Magic the Gathering alla stin poreia anakalypsa pws h tseph mou den to antexei afto to pragma kai ta parathsa.
Nai, tha ithela na paiksw kai kati allo ektos dnd alla den mou dothike akomh h efkairia... afta. stamataw na grafw giati den foraw kai tous fakous epafhs/gyalia mou kai stravwnomai. :)

Disaster

01-09-2003, 17:23

mpe Torm eisai alitis to savatge coast den einai on line exei bgei se product kanonika ta exo ta exo ola ola MUXAXAXAXAXAXa exm parasiromai
basika paizo polla xronakia kai ego mpolika mpolika ad&d rules exo asxolithi me pola praagmata apo rpg
favourite settings Mystara (the best exo brei sxedon ta panta akoma apo 1st edition kai exo pathi plaka pou ta pio polla pragmata tis mystara apo 1st exun apotelesei tin basi gia ta settings pou bgikan meta mexri kai ides ikones kai onomata se ola ta settings) episis to theiko gothic ravenloft tou opoiou imun paiktis xronia (eki ksekinisa ) kai lian sintomos kai dm (e-bay na sai kala) exo paiskei sxedon oti exei bgei sto ad&d 3rd edition sucks by the way
kala oxi akribos exei merika kala eos poli kala pragmata alla to geniko sinolo parusiaseis kai skopias pou analii ta pragmata einai mpe

episis diabazo poli wod kai alla polla
ksekinao episis lian sintomos st vampire kai meta skopebo epektasi se werewolf kai mage pou idi exo diabasei kai me porosan
exo asxolithi kai me ta card games ton opoion distixos i piotita einai kata thn gnomi mou panta tetia oste eite paizeis pokemon kai giougki o eite pazeis magic i vampire einai to idio kai to afto
kali i fasi tou forum
poli kali
megies mas olus tous rp players
ti players diladi rpg a way of life
oxi opos ta kainuria ta paidakia pou den exun tin tixei na to gnorisun sosta
lipamai gia tin soupa pou exei ginei
mpe

nikodimos

01-09-2003, 18:19

mpe indeed
Mystara gamei. Ekei 3ekinhsa kai einai akoma apo tous agaphmenous mou. Sto DD eixe apisteuta pramata. Apo Dwarf paratroopers mexri stratiwtikes monades me 1000 36ou lvl magous (Alphatia rulz). Ti allo 8es?

Torm

01-09-2003, 23:53

Disasterako, to Savage Coast ws Savage Coast kai oxi ws Red Steel den yparxei printed pouthena. To eixe vgalei h TSR mono se hlektronikh morfh.

{NightStalker}

02-09-2003, 00:50

Asta diala re...Thelw ki egw palia vivlia..Btw kserete kana palaiopoleio or smth?Mail me episis opoios poulaei klp klp.

Carcass_

02-09-2003, 00:52

My turn...
Paizw 7-8 xronia, ksekinhsa me red box ths ravenloft kai auth th stigmh exw diavasei/paiksei arketa pragmata apo ta opoia
exw liwsei sthn kurioleksia Ravenloft kai Planescape , me apothei to WoD , paizw Trinity apo to opoio akoma den exw entupwsiastei idietera , goustarw Shadowrun kai Cyberpunk ( mia kaluterh, gia mena , apopsh gia to mellon ) , ksekinaw Nephilim se ligo kairo ( arketa duskolo ) , vriksw to In Nomine > Gamhsterh-Idea-Pou-Den-Mporei-Na-Pextei , exw liwsei arketa kai sunexizw na liwnw panw se Cthulhu, Stormbringer/Dragonlords of Melnibone gamah ( giati apla gamah h Chaosium ) kai telos : DELTA GREEN... ti na pw, apla oti poio top exw diavasei ( kai sto mellon keeper-arei ) se rpgz.
Ayta.

MoRmEnGiL

02-09-2003, 03:38

eleos re.eleos. Ti exete oloi me thn 3rd edition? ?EE?e/E?E?e/E?E?E?/E?E? gamaei re! ama pia! tsourekia! :p k iegw me 2nd 3ekinhsa kai epaiza gai xronia..alla den exw stokarei me thn 2nd! :p 3ekollate :ggrin: :ggrin: :ggrin: :ggrin:

Deggial

02-09-2003, 14:27

Η τρίτη έκδοση είναι σαφώς πιο οργανωμένη, δεν έχει τις μαλακίες της δεύτερης με τα saving throws (άπειρες φορές έχουμε μπερδευτεί αν πρέπει να φέρουμε μεγάλο ή μικρό ζάρι) και η επιλογή των feats δίνει βάθος στο χαρακτήρα (δυο fighters ίδιου level δεν είναι πιστά οι ίδιοι όπως στη δεύτερη έκδοση).

Δύο πράγματα με ενοχλούν. Τα prestige classes, γιατί σε αντίθεση με τα class kits, υπάρχουν για να αυξάνουν τις δυνάμεις του χαρακτήρα κι όχι να ενισχύουν το role-playing. Επίσης τα class kits δε δίναν μόνο bonuses αλλά και penalties.

Το άλλο μου πρόβλημα είναι πως οι χαρακτήρες είναι super-heroes. Βεβαίως έτσι είναι και στην δεύτερη έκδοση, αλλά σε ένα πολύ μικρότερο βαθμό. Στην τρίτη, ο fighter κάνει 3 επιθέσεις μέσα σε 6 δευτερόλεπτα... και η δεύτερη είχε τις μαλακίες της (ο μινώταυρος και το elf-πολυβόλο. Τα elves μπορούν να πετάνε πολλά βέλη μαζί με κάποιο penalty) αλλά δεν ήταν όλοι ντερέκια. Απο ένα σημείο και πέρα, πιστεύω πως αυτό δρα αρνητικά στο role-playing και επικεντρώνεται περισσότερο σε ένα παιχνίδι παραπλήσιο του Diablo. ’λλο να παίζεις επική φαντασία κι άλλο Marvel super heroes.

Disaster

02-09-2003, 20:53

tha eimai ligomilitos 3rd sucks

||wraith||

02-09-2003, 21:22

mormi...kopse ta narkotika...kai meta to kefali sou koukle mou...
3d edition sucks! akou ekei....mage-paladin kai oti alo thes taytoxrona! dax allo multiclass kai allo ap thn 1 to stuff kai kano spells kai ap thn allh to long shord kai na choparro! eleos! still wraith the oblivion rules...disaster...vres to kai diavase to na gnoriseis ta poio omorfa plasmata tou wod...!

nikodimos

04-09-2003, 02:21

To 3rd einai ok mexri na baleis mesa alla books apo ta basika. Meta ginetai kwlos giati ola ta alla einai unbalanced. Auta an se endiaferei to 8ema auto fusika. An oxi den exei kai shmasia to susthma...

When Black Roses Bloom

05-09-2003, 05:02

3rd sucks. Ontws.
Deggial wrote:

δεν έχει τις μαλακίες της δεύτερης με τα saving throws (άπειρες φορές έχουμε μπερδευτεί αν πρέπει να φέρουμε μεγάλο ή μικρό ζάρι) και η επιλογή των feats δίνει βάθος στο χαρακτήρα (δυο fighters ίδιου level δεν είναι πιστά οι ίδιοι όπως στη δεύτερη έκδοση).

Giati mperdema? Siga to duskolo.... Den einai purinikh fusikh re paidia... Giati to akouw apo olous auto? Siga thn duskolia dhladh? H to thAC0. Les kai lunoun dipla epi kampulh oloklhrwmata.

Pote den mou etuxe na exw enan idio fighter me enan allo akoma kai sto idio party, gia na mhn anaferw gia diaforetika campaigns. Auto pisteyw egketai ka8ara ston DM kai ston paikth an 8a kanei ton xarakthra tou kapoios panomoiotupo me kapoiou allou. Giati ftaine dhladh oi kanones?:toilet:

Kala, perito na poume oti ta creatures ths 3rd suck dragonballz. Non-human race sto Ravenloft. Half-Orc Paladin sto generic..... Eipame... Alla oxi ki etsi... Ontws einai sketo hack&slash. Diablo fash. Sygnwmh alla eimai apolutos. Kai ksupolutos :dick:

Uktena

05-09-2003, 22:35

eimai o kaluteros role player ever leme skoulikia eidika esu mormoli leme

nikodimos

06-09-2003, 05:36

Bloom hrema. An den 8eleis na exoun oi PCs half-orc paladins mhn tous afhseis. An omws 8eleis na exeis ena generic susthma eisai upoxrewmenos na exeis kai tetoia anoigmata gia kapoion pou 8elei na exei perierga pragmata sto campaign tou.

MoRmEnGiL

06-09-2003, 23:30

ti exoun oi half-orc paladins?mia xara einai!!! gamw!dld o kalyteros paladin einai o half-orc kai to halfling paladin :ggrin:

Vasilias

11-09-2003, 16:43

Pezw ad&d/d&d, Shadowrun, Call of Cthulhu, Middle Earth, kai sintoma tha dokimasw Ars Magicka, kai Vampire. Mormengil patra dn ise akoma???

Ama yparxei kaneis DM thessaloniki gia Shadowrun as mu stili kanena message.

MoRmEnGiL

12-09-2003, 02:00

Vasilias ni patra eimai dystyxws :p

Carcass_

13-09-2003, 17:22

Den kserw, pantws pia dnd kai ths white wolf den ta mporw pia.... h pleiopshfia twn vivliwn ths 3d einai gia ta skoupidia, ektos apo Ravenloft, Manual of the planes kai to miso Book Of Vile Darkness.... apo white wolf oti exw diavasei den me travaei katholou, eidika to VtM pou ta vivlia auths ths seiras einai apisteuta epanalipsima... Krima dioti shmera auta poulane enw alla top rpg, me fantastika vivlia kai apisteutes senariakes sullhpseis einai ksexasmena pantelws, mias kai ta magazia sthn Ellada den frontizoun kan na kanoune mia kinhsh pros kapoia apo auta....ejktos tou Fantasy shop pou exei kai kapoia ths Steve Jackson Games ( toulaxiston mexri prin ligo kairo giati paliotera eferne kai kapoia alla opws to Pedragon ). Edw promotaroun to d20 cthulhu pou einai mia malakia kai mish kai to d100 to exoun krummeno pisw apo ta vivlia tou werewolf...eleos... makari na eixame kai emeis magazia opws ta hobby stores sth Skwtia opou ekei vriskei kaneis theika rpgz, pou sthn Ellada profanws den tha ta doume pote.

MoRmEnGiL

13-09-2003, 19:11

ShAdOwRuN! GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

Specter

23-09-2003, 17:49

Eγώ πάντως ασχολούμε με τα RPGs περίπου 2,5 χρόνια. Και γενικά δοκίμασα αρκετά settings μιας και όπως μου είπανε πιο έμπειροι στο χώρο να δοκιμάσω όσο το δυνατόν περισσότερα μπορώ. (ασχέτως αν είμαι ακόμα στην αρχή και έχω ακόμα ΠΑΡΑ πολλά να δώ)

Τελικώς με κέρδισε το Ravenloft αλλά έχω ασχολήθεί με Dragonlance, Exalted , Vampire : Dark Ages και κάτι λίγα με Dark Sun.

YΓ: Ρε παιδιά δεν είναι τόσο άσχημη η 3rd

Carcass_

24-09-2003, 14:08

Gia DnD kai Dragonlords of Melnibone den einai kako SUSTHMA. gia alla rpgz einai skata kai mhden ( vlepe cthulhu d20 ). H 3d exei provlhma sta vivlia ths pou ta perissotera einai gia ta skoupidia .
Diagwnismos : opoios vrei se vivlio ths 3d tis lekseis me ths ekseis seira :
Role Playing Game kerdizei ena sovaro rpg accessory pou den einai ths WoTC.

nikodimos

25-09-2003, 18:23

An to problhma sou einai oti to 3rd exei ena "wargame" stul perissotero apo to RPG stul tote mallon diko sou kollhma einai. To DD apo tis arxes tou den htan RPG htan ena wargame gia mikres maxes se eswterikous xwrous (sic). Meta apo polla egine psilorpg. Auto den shmainei oti dn exei plaka kai endiaferon na paizeis se auto. Exei thn monadikh idiothta na mporeis na sxediazeis polu koufa kai omorfa sxediakia analoga me thn isxu (spells, items klp) ths omadas, kati pou mono wargames mporoun na kanoun. Sigoura einai duskolo na pai3eis 3rd me storytelling stul alla auto den shmainei oti 3rd sucks. Sto ka8e susthma oi analogoi paiktes kai to analogo campaign.

Carcass_

25-09-2003, 19:06

den eipa 3d edition sucks, alla oti to d20 se alla games sucks.
Oswn afora to 3d san game mia xara to exw euxaristithei alla klaiw lefta pou exw dwsei se vivlia ta opoia ta vrhka axrhsta ( opws px thn peripeteia me loth - kyaransalee h thn return to the temple of elementa l evil ki alla arketa supplements ). Isa isa pou mou aresei kai to role playing. Gia ta proionta milhsa, oxi gia to an einai kalh fash h 3d h oxi.

Carcass_

25-09-2003, 19:07

Kai sugkekrimena gia ta proionta ths WoTC ( px h green ronin exei vgalei kapoia kala h h necropolis tou Gygax ).

nikodimos

26-09-2003, 00:22

Nai se auto sumfwnw. To idaniko 3rd einai ta basika me thn pros8hkh tou Manual of the Planes kai ante kana duo apo ane3arthtes etairies. Oi perisooteroi pou kanoun modern kai alles paparies se d20 den exoun piasei to nohma. To susthma prepei na tairiazei me to setting kai oxi anapoda.

MoRmEnGiL

26-09-2003, 10:12

nikodhme,den mporeis na fantasteis poso symfwnw.giauto e3allou to d20 l5r einai gia ton peo,enw to original GAMOUSE

Snipous

06-11-2003, 23:33

Na'mai kai go!
Axoloumai me to athlima arketa xronia (na'nai kala o nikodimos kai i parea tou alla,den exo paiksei toso poly gia diaforous texnikous logous! :)
Exo paiksei arketa se Dragonlance (rulez!!) ,ligaki Forgotten realms pure 100% hackn' slash kai tora paizo Vampire:Dark Ages.
Vevaia etoimazoume kai ena Paranoia campaign na gelasoume ligaki kai kanena D&D hack n' slash gia na ksekapnisoun ta zaria! :)
BTW, epeidi kapou anaferthike kai i patra, stin Patra meno kai ego!

MoRmEnGiL

15-11-2003, 18:59

wp.natona. :P anafer8hke h patra giati h afentia mou zei kai basileuei ekei ta teleutaia 4 xronia :P

Faithless Spirit

16-11-2003, 02:08

xmou.. me ton kairo postaro edwpera alla den peirazei:)

loipon paizw pen%papers edw kai 4-5xronia peripou an kai exo thn enthpwsh oti exo tis ligoteres gnwseis apo olous oson afora kosmous-susthmata ktl.. ego arxisa me 2nd opou epaiksa gia miso xrono peripou alla tote den paizame kai toso sovara:P eimasta kai mikroi tote.. kai exo paiksei kai 2-3 fores 3rd kai auta einai. genikotera paizw se kosmous filwn dm (mhnh fantasthte 3 poleis ena vouno mia limnh = me kosmo, enow kosmo me olh thn enia ths lekshs:P) me susthmata epishs twn idiwn kai mporw na pw oti skatoporonomaste:P exw epishs voithisei se merh "anaptukshs" twn kosmwn autwn kai kurios twn susthmatwn tous.. auta

xm to 3rd opws kai ola ta susthmata einai kuriws vasismeno sthn maxh.. to provlhma edw omws einai oti uparxoun kai skills (kai alla pragmata) pou periorizoun to rp px skill gather information ktl enw kata thn gnwmh mou tetoia pragmata einai eukairies gia na kaneis rp (to na mazepseis plhrofories gia kati) kai edw apla rixneis ena zari kai teliose i istoria. kala den einai kai xalia dld eida kai pragmata pou mou aresan alla ensxesh me to 2nd toulaxiston einai perioristiko ws pros to rp.. vevea polu pio prosito se neous paiktes...

nikodimos

16-11-2003, 02:44

Faithless Spirit

17-11-2003, 00:01

vasika emena mou aresoun arketa ta rp related skills alla oxi me skopo na apoklioun to rp, na to voithoun.. px an thimame kala sto 3rd uparxei kapio skill i kati tetoio pou legetai scent, afto den me xalaei katholou kai uparxoun para pola paromia pragmata pou an den metriounte merikes fores ksefevgoun h den exeis thn dunatothta na ta aksiopiiseis..
twra gia artibutes opws px to inteligence exei kai alles ptuxes.. to inteligence gia mena antiprosopeuei kai ton tropo skepsi enos xarakthra, thn antilipsi tou, thn parathritikothta tou kai kamposa alla pragmata opote einai xrhsimo statistika, aloste genikotera pisteuo oti prota prepei na "fiaxneis" enan xarakthra kai meta na prospatheis na ton "xoreseis" se skills artibutes ktl, vevea gia to charisma tha sumfwnhsw apoluta oti kathorizetai apo to rp (den enow to an einai omosrfos:P)

Deggial

17-11-2003, 12:48

FS megalo 8ema auto me ta skillz. H dikh mou apopsh panta sta RPG htan oti ta skills kai atributes pou exoun sxesh me RP prepei na apofeugontai. Sto Amber px den exei kanena skill pou exei na kanei me intelligence kai charisma kai tetoies mpourdes. To intelligence einai auto pou o paikths dinei ston xarakthra kai to charisma antistoixa.

Θα διαφωνήσω. Οι αντιδράσεις των NPC σε πολλές περιπτώσεις είναι τυχαίες. Ως εκ τούτου πρέπει να υπάρχει ζάρι που να ρυθμίζει τη τυχαία αυτή αντίδραση, με ανάλογα modifiers (social stigma, previous acquantance, οτιδήποτε).

Εκτός αυτού, μπορεί ο χαρακτήρας ενός παίχτη να έχει skill intimidation κι ο παίχτης ωστόσο να μη ξέρει πώς να ανταποκριθεί (role-playing wise).

Γενικώς, πρώτα ο παίχτης κάνει role-playing τη συζήτηση. Ανάλογα με το τι θα πει, θα πάρει κάποιο bonus ή penalty στο skill του και το ρίχνω εγώ ως DM κρυφά. Ο NPC θα αντιδράσει ανάλογα με το αποτέλεσμα και πόσο μακριά βρίσκεται το αποτέλεσμα απ΄το skill του παίχτη.

nikodimos

17-11-2003, 21:56

Den milaw gia tous NPCs, milaw gia tous PCs. To intelligence dhmiourgei polla problhmata. Den milaw gia skillz pou exous sxesh me auto (px computers or sth) alla gia to ka8aro int. Telika o xarakthras 8a sumperiferetai me osh e3upnada exei (kai 8elei na tou dwsei) o paikths. Exete dei mago me 20 int na ton paizei hlh8ios? Antistoixa barbarian me 6 na ton paizei metaptuxiakos tou ma8hmatikou?

To idio me to charisma. An exw exw kala skills ws paikths sthn epikoinwnia "klebw" to susthma ousiastika. Den mou aresei na rolaroume gia tetoia pramata einai to essence tou RP.

@ FS: Den milaw gia skillz tupou scent, auto den exei na kanei me role playing, exei na kanei me ikanothtes tou PC. Milaw gia intimedation, diplomacy klp. Allo na baleis ena skill pou na leei poso swsta 3ereis na milas (gia thn ka8e peirptwsh o swstos tropos na milhseis ston ka8e an8rwpo ston mesaiwna einai diaforetikos, allo count allo prince allo knight). Auto einai kati pou ma8ainetai. Alla allo na uparxei skill pou 8a leei an ton epeises ir sth. Auto exei na kanei me to ti les ousiastika.

Oi NPCs apo thn allh einai kalo na exoun tetoia wste na 3erei o DM me ti ikanothtes 8a tous pai3ei.

Faithless Spirit

17-11-2003, 23:44

ok we came to an understading:) oute ego phgena pote ta diplomancy kai loipa paromoia skill, mono gia npcs opws eipes.. alla gia to int pisteuo oti mporeis na kaneis rp ilithiou xarakthra alla einai adunaton gia eunohtous logous na kaneis kapiou ''eksipnoterou'' to an eisai ptuxiouxos kati den se empodizei apo to na to paizeis ilithios:P to idio sumvenei kai me to charisma an kai einai polu pio duskolo sto rp.. parola'uta eksakoloutho na to theoro axrhsto artibute an antiprosopeuei mono to poso ''xarhsmatikos'' einai kapios..

Carcass_

15-09-2004, 22:38

wra na ksethapsw kai auto.

Phoebus

16-09-2004, 03:47

Exete dei mago me 20 int na ton paizei hlh8ios? Antistoixa barbarian me 6 na ton paizei metaptuxiakos tou ma8hmatikou?

To idio me to charisma. An exw exw kala skills ws paikths sthn epikoinwnia "klebw" to susthma ousiastika. Den mou aresei na rolaroume gia tetoia pramata einai to essence tou RP.

Ma ayto einai h ousia tou RP, na paizeis ton rolo sou oso kalytera mporeis kai apo kei kai pera einai sthn krish tou DM an ontws epaikses ton xarakthra opws eprepe 'h oxi... Den klebeis kanena ama eisai kalos omilhths px enw o character pou exeis den einai. Mporei o DM na pei "Re filarako eisai ena barbaros"(kserwgw)"kai mou to paizeis dianooumenos? apo pou diabazeis ayta pou les? alla ti lew, den ksereis na diabazeis!"... Fysika den lew me thn prwth na rolareis, ama rolareis den paizeis esy sthn ousia. Swsto RP kaneis otan paizeis to character sou opws prepei...

On topic, epaiza prin kati xronia 2d edition me enan trelameno filo mou gia DM pou mas diabaze tis peripeties sta agglika, trelo storytelling milame, h apolyth PORWSH kai apla to atomo gamouse san rpgamer. Ayto synexisthke gia 2 xronia peripou wspou aytos metakomise kai emeina me ta @@ mou. Meta empleksa me kati alla kai genikws afhsa ta rpg alla panta goustara na ksanapaiksw. Kapoia xronia argotera, ksekinhsa na endiaferomai ksana gia RPG, den m'aresan omws ta fantasy rpg, meta ematha gia to d20 Star Wars RPG kai apla eixa kollhsei, hthela na paikswwwwwww. Alla kaneis den epaize. Eytyxws epshsa kati filous mou, oi opoioi pshsane enan allo filo kai telika ksekinhsame ena campaign... H revised ekdosh core rulebook tou Star Wars einai poly endiaferousa, exei prestige classes, kai polla alla sourcebooks pou mporeis na xrhsimopoihseis se periptwsh pou thes na akolouthhsei o character sou ena sygkekrimeno path. Epishs exw entopisei ena poly wraio tool gia ton ypologisth (RPG me laptop pwnz) pou sou exei to character sheet kai ola ta ypoloipa, database exthrwn, items, mlkies, ta panta. Bohthaei poly sto character level up.

Endiaferomai na paiksw ki'alla rpg, eidika o,ti exei sxesh me scifi/cyberpunk m'aresei, kai matrixoeideis maxes pou emplekoun kai psyche powers kai sheer willpower(dhladh panw katw star wars alla xwris ekswghinous :P).

Apexthanomai ta card games, ta thewrw hlithia kai money wasters giati PARALIGO na pesw sthn pagida.

Epishs na pw to ekshs. To prwto RPG pou epaiksa sthn ousia htan to Hero Quest, to epitrapezio. 7-8 xronwn. To epaiza mono otan phgaina sthn kataskhnwsh dystyxws... eixe plaka. To thymatai kaneis?