overdrive panw apo distortion. help.

[xHERETICx]

paizw ry8mika me high gain petalakia pou exoun panta to gain terma opws to death metal ths digitech kai 8elw na brw kapoio overdrive pou na mporw na balw panw apo ayto to distortion sta leads wste na dinei boost kai xarakthra ston hxo kai na proballei ta mesaia oso xreiazetai gia na pai3eis ena lead ths prokophs. alla pisteyw oti me toso high gain petalakia an baleis overrdive apo panw 8a gamh8ei o dias. exete kapoio na mou proteinete, h 8a legate na paizw ry8mika me to death metal kai leads me to drive tou enisxyth kai overdrive? 3erw oti ayto 8a einai kalyterh lysh alla prospa8w na to apofygw giati to na patas to lead kanali , na bgazeis to distortion, na patas to overdrive, to delay kai meta to podi sou na phghainei sto wah gia na alla3eis apo rythm se lead sta live pisteyw 8a einai katastrofiko. hdh ponese to xeri mou pou to egrapsa

[The Charon]

Na pareis ena eq.Auto ths boss to eq-7 einia polu kalo.den nomizw na xreiazesai 2 petalakia.Doulepse to ena mono kai me to eq-7 boostareis k ton hxo k ton diamorfwneis opws 8eleis.(ean asxolh8eis to eq kanei 8aumata)

[Lukather]

Na pareis ena eq.Auto ths boss to eq-7 einia polu kalo.den nomizw na xreiazesai 2 petalakia.Doulepse to ena mono kai me to eq-7 boostareis k ton hxo k ton diamorfwneis opws 8eleis.(ean asxolh8eis to eq kanei 8aumata)

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An theleis soni kai kala ena od petali (an kai i proti lisi einai pio kali IMHO) ftiakse ena kalo rhythm hxo me ton enisxiti kai to death m,etal kai meta opote thes na solareis apla anoige to od, xoris na kleineis to dist.vevaia afto mporei na prokalesei apo thavmata os tromeri vavoura, alla einai ki afto mia lisi

[xHERETICx]

lukather akribws ayto lew oti 8elw na kanw sto thread, kai gi'ayto rwtaw an 3erete kanena overdrive pou na exete akousei kai na diapistwsatwe oti mporeis na to baleis panw apo toso gain xwris na ginei tromerh baboura.

oso gia to eq, to 8ema einai oti den exei kai thn pio katallhlh xroia e3'arxhs o hxos tou distortion gia na peis oti apla me ena anebasma sta mesaia kai kati psila akoma 8a symmazeytei gia lead. ase pou an balw ayto to pragma mallon 8a katalh3w na to xrhsimopoiw gia na kanw akoma kalytero ton hxo sta ry8mika ;-p

[Lukather]

loipon gia na sou po, pistevo oti to zakk wylde overdrive tis dunlop ta spaei. episis, mia stadar lisi, pou exei kataliksei na einai aksioma einai to tube screamer tis Ibanez. Dokimase ta kai den tha xaseis.Pragmatika apistefta petalia. Rota kai ton gkount san :D

[Panoramix_Miraculix]

egw exw dei ena videaki me ton vai pou ekane ayto pou les me to ds1 ths boss.

to xw ksanakanei post ayto, giati einai ena apta 4 pragmata pou kserw.

[xHERETICx]

xaxaxa

oso gia to tube screamer pou eipes, ok, alla epeidh egw exw akousei kai ton hxo tou good son katelh3a na psaxnw gia kati allo ;-p

[jezuz]

Pantws an pareis boost balto meta to drive kai dwse poly level na tsitwneis thn eisodo toy enisxyth.
8ymamai mia fora poy eixa dei toys Vader pantws, o tragoydisths epaize me to drive toy enisxyth nomizw, kai sta solo eixe ena mikro petalaki poy emoiaze ligo me MXR distortion, to opoio molis patoyse ginotan sokolash!
Opote fantazomai me ena aplo boost tsitwmeno 8a kaneis doyleia...
me ti enixyth paizeis alh8eia?
Pantws ta pio polla petalakia poy exw akoysei molis baleis terma to gain sapizei o hxos kai den akoygetai kan ti paizeis, den 3erw gia to diko soy pantws...

[O)))zma]

Min paizeis solo

[xHERETICx]

O)))zma de ginetai. den exw gkomena kai den exw kamia kalyterh idea gia to pws na brw

jezuz de 8elw kati pou apla 8a anebasei thn entash, giati o hxos twn ry8mikwn einai poly thin gia solo. oi vader den 3eroun apo hxoki egw xreiazomai ena drive pou na akougetai wraia kai na exei sustain ektos apo to na exoun th sawsth entash ta leads. opote 8elw overdrive.
enisxyth den exw, sto spiti paizw me speaker simulator sthn karta hxou kai akougetai mia xara. 8a parw kapoia stigmh kanan tripple rectifier gia na mhn trww sth mapa tous marshall twn live.
to death metal kai to metal master pou exw akougontai mia xara, einai a8oryba kai de mpoukwnei h paramorfwsh pote, ektos ki an kaneis aperigraptes blakeies apo ton enisxyth. to metal master de anti gia mesaia exei ena koumpi pou oso ton anebazeis kobei ta mesaia alla ay3anei kai to eyros syxnothtwn pou kobei. etsi ftiaxneis eykola thrashy h death metal hxous kai an to baleis terma pairneis ekeino ton sxedon atoniko toixo apo paramorfwsh pou akous se grind mpantes, alla me entelws elegxomena mpasa. an to exeis katw apo th mesh pali pairneis hxo iron maiden, opote einai h xara tou metalcora taytoxrona.

[O)))zma]

Xmmmmmm
Me problimatises tora ....

[Phoebus]

Στην ουσία δηλαδή θέλεις να έχεις έλεγχο του overdrive σου - και αυτό γίνεται με ένα παραμετρικό ή ένα eq όπως σου είπε ο Charon. Τι μαγνήτες έχεις btw;

[xHERETICx]

8a to 3anapw :D 8elw ena overdrive pou na mporw na balw panw apo high gain distortion xwris na ginetai ane3elegtko to gain me 50 kila feedback kai ola ta ypoloipa problhmata pou prokalei synh8ws aytos o syndyasmos. koinws den 3erw poio overdrive na diale3w. exw skatomagnhtes alla ayto de shmainei tipota, de 8a exw thn idia ki8ara gia panta e3allou. protimaw monous magnhtes gia ta leads pantws ;)

[Phoebus]

Έχει σημασία ο μαγνήτης βασικά, αν δεν έχει υψηλό output μπορεί να έχεις πρόβλημα... θα πας να στείλεις ένα γτπ σήμα από έναν γτπ μαγνήτη, θα του φορτώσεις high gain από την αρχή, και έπειτα για το σόλο κι'άλλο gain για να πάρει presence. Ε νταξ, θα βγει σκατά, ανεξελεγκτο, με 50 κιλά feedback όπως λες κτλ κτλ.

Δηλαδή αυτό που σου είπε ο Lukather ως 2η λύση για μένα είναι κακό (εκτός και αν είσαι ο Vai και έχεις γαμάτες κιθάρες και ένα crew από πίσω να σκίζεται για σένα)... βέβαια όλα αυτά στη σκέψη και μόνο. Μπορεί αν όντως συνδέσεις ένα πεταλάκι για έξτρα overdrive, να καραγουστάρεις απίστευτα τον ήχο. Τι να σου πω, δοκίμασε και πες μου και μένα...

[xHERETICx]

thanx gia ts symboules paidia.

3erw oti ayta ta problhmata 8a ta exw stadar me thn ki8ara pou exw twra kai den perimenw na bgei swsta me th dikh mou. gi'ayto lew oti den exei shmasia kai oti ypo8etoume oti eimai o vai kai exw gamates ki8ares. otan parw kalh, tote 8a perimenw na akougetai swsta. mexri tote 8a paizw lead me overdrive kai ligo drive apo enisxyth

[Coroner]

Opoio overdrive kai na pareis 8a exeis provlhma.

Eite ds1 eite TS eite de 3erw ti, an paizeis me apeiro gain sta ru8mika sou o lead hxos de 8a er8ei. Mh nomizeis dhladh pws ena overdrive gia boost allazei TOOOSO polu ton hxo wste apo deathometaliko xaos na vgaleis hxo petrucci. Liges armonikes dinoun kai sustain, tpt parapanw.

Ta petalakia tupou metal master kai metal zone an den eisai mastoras kata 90% sou gamane ton hxo. Mporeis me ena JCM 900 na vgaleis super death metal hxo, apeires fores kalutero apo oti me petalakia tupou MT ktl, opote mh snoimpareis ta marshalia.

Den exw akousei ton hxo sou, opote de mporw na 3erw ti exeis ftia3ei mexri twra, apla sth 8esh sou arxika 8a eftiaxna ena polu kalo ru8miko hxo o opoios 8a apotelouse kai th vash tou lead hxou.

Dokimase na katevaseis gain kai na xrhsimopoihseis to eq pou eiep o charon. Pio pi8ano na vgaleis etsi hxo.

[xHERETICx]

de 8elw na bgalw hxo petrucci sto katw katw. akoma ki an ginotan me thn idia bash, de 8a tairiazan. ayto akribws pou eipes, liga mesaia parapanw kai sustain, apo ekei kai pera th bgazw mia xara xrhsimopoiwntas to wah sa filtro gia azagthoth hxous sta leads.

apo ton hxo mou sta ry8mika eimai ikanopoihmenos, oso mou epitrepei h ki8ara mou. fantasou hxo twn cannibal corpse sta teleytaia, alla me ligo perissotera mesaia wste na anadykneiei perissotero to picking se triples kai pentaples. me mia ki8ara ths prokophs sigoura 8a ebgaza kalo death metal hxo kai me enan jcm 900 alla den polysympa8w thn idiaiterh xroia pou exoun sta mesoypshla oi marshalls etsi ki alliws. to problhma me to metal master einai oti den exei gain control, einai panta terma. alla einai a8orybo kai poly pio eykolo na eleg3eis ta prima tou, pou einai o kyrios logos pou polloi dyskoleyontai me to metal zone. 8a dokimasw na to syndyasw me poly synthritikes ry8miseis se kanena TS kai 8a dw. thanx pantws

[jezuz]

Eipes paizeis ry8mika me to death metal ths digitech, kai exeis kai to metal master? giati den dokimazeis na baleis to Metal Master me synthritikes ry8miseis (ligo parapanw volume, xwris na kaneis scoop ta mids) gia solo? An kai afoy les oti to gain einai panta terma pi8anws 8a exeis problhma...
Pantws an 8es apla parapanw mesaia kai sustain pare kati san to ElectroHarmonix Big Muff, to opoio kanei ayto akribws, dinei sustain kai exei kyriws xreia/boost sta mesaia

[xHERETICx]

poulhsa to death metal giati ebgaza akribws ton idio hxo kai me to metal master alla ligo kalytera. e3allou to 8ema einai &oti prospa8w na mhn bazw/bgazw 700 petalia pernwntas apo lead hxo se rythm.

dokimasame na baloume ena tube screamer apo panw kai, amazingly enough, den yphrxe kanena apo ta problhmata pou 8a perimene kaneis. to ts kyriarxei aneta, kai ayto to thin pou eixe o hxos e3afanizetai amesws otan to bazeis, kai mporeis na bgaleis kai glykerous hxous petrucci telika ;-p eidika an krathseis to gain tou xamhla. ki ayto, me entelws death metal distortion gia bash, oxi me synthrhtikes ry8miseis. kanena aplytws problhma me feedback /mpoukwmenh paramorfwsh :) akoma den katalaba pws egine, alla paw na agorasw ena

[jezuz]

TS yparxoyn se apeires ekdoseis, poio dokimases? (ts-9, ts-808, moderns, re-isues etc)
Pantws to TS einai gnwsto gia to oti dinei polla mesaia, kobei polla prima kai ligo definition sto mpaso, opote einai oti prepei gia na 3exwriseis sto solo.
To kolpo ayto (TS panw apo barbato rythm distortion) to kanei poly kosmos pantws, nomizw to ekane kai o kirk apo toys metallica poly palia...

[xHERETICx]

egw apla fobomoun oti 8a mpoukwne kai 8a mikrofwnize. to 808 dokimasa. 3erw oti to ts 9 8a htan kalytero, pou me th seira tou 8a htan xeirotero apo ena custom ts-9 me ta fthniarika ylika na exoun antikatasta8ei me ta au8yntika, pou pali 8a exane apo ena modified ts me prosektika epilegmena ylika pou antikatasta8hkan me oxi ta ay8entika, alla kalytera, pou omws de sygkrinetai me... de gamiomaste lew egw? ;-p
o hxos gamhse epeidh to ts kyriarxei toso pou sthn telikh einai adiaforo pws einai h paramorfwsh pou exeis apo katw. ki an anebaseis to level perissotero ap'o,ti prepei ta mesaia einai entelws yperbolika akoma kai gia ry8mika twn iron maiden. alla sth swsth ry8mish dinei mia xara boost eytyxws

[jezuz]

xaxaxa preei na peisw enan filo na agorasei to kara-custom na to dokimasw kai egw tote :lol:

[xHERETICx]

ma ayto lew, oti to ka8ena einai adiorata pio zesto apo to allo. toso pou an den h3erres oti yparxei mallon de 8a exanes tipota, kai sthn telikh mporei na protimas ton tropo pou to "aplo" krataei kapoies apo tis ypshles sou syxnothtes

[The Good Son]

δοκίμασες και το 808 τλκ μωρη κουφάλα;

[xHERETICx]

brhka enan pou ap'o,ti fainetai den mporouse na apofasisei poio htan kalytero kai sto telos ta phre ola

[jezuz]

:lol: giati na kaneis kati tetoio? Perneis kati poy einai close enough kai dineis ta ypoloipa eyta gia na pareis kati diaforetiko IMO...

[xHERETICx]

mhn to les se mena

[The Good Son]

δεν γίνεται να τα πήρες όλα.

[xHERETICx]

kala de blepeis ti grafw?
egw den phra tipota akoma, apla brhka enan typo pou exei 3 (to ena custom) kai ta balame dipla dipla