Eb tuning?

[Panoramix_Miraculix]

Aporia: giati to 50% twn metal sygkrothmatwn kourdizoun se Eb? (to idio isxyei kai gia drop d, drop c klp). eixa akousei oti etsi pianeis pio eykola kapoies sygxordies, oti an valeis varies xordes (10ares, 11ares) an tis kourdizeis kanonika zorizoun poly th ki8ara klp.

[Twisted_Bassist]

allo drop d allo drop c kai allo Eb kourdisma e.

epishs gia mena den exei nohma to Eb an kai na tragoudiseis panw se Eb einai pio aneto kai isws vgazei kai ligo parapanw ogko.

[Swollen]

genika to drop d volevei stis pemptes

k nai, me xamilo kourdisma kerdizeis se ogko alla xaneis se katharotita (eksartatai ton "paixti" panta)

proswpika to drop genika den me volevei katholou

egw eimai kourdismenos se b (an kai den exw katharo paiksimo alla to palevw :( )
to thema einai ti thes na paikseis (eidos)

[[_NevermorE_]]

to drop syni8izetai apo nu-metalous nomizw giati etsi ki alliws panw apo treis xordes den paizoun oi koyla8res, opote toys volevei na kanoun th douleia me ena daxtylo :lol:

Egw eimai kourdismenos se d me 11ares ernie ball. Otan prwtodokimasa thn ki8ara meta thn allagh omologw oti skatoporw8ika ka8ws kerdisa se ogko alla kai eykrineia, ka8ws to set poy xrhsimopoiw einai arketa sklhro, to opoio moy dynamwse kai ta daxtyla.

Pleon omws arxizw na to variemai kai lew na ksekourdisw kai allo, isws se c h b. H monh malakia einai oti 8a xasw ligo apo psiles notes gia ta solo, alla ayto syni8izetai.

Pantws o Swollen exei dikio gia to oti eksartatai apo to eidos poy 8es na paikseis. An ksekourdiseis poly mporei na ephreastei kai o tropos poy syn8eteis. To 8ema einai na prosarmoseis to kourdisma poy eksyphretei kalytera ayta poy 8es na paikseis.

Genikotera parathrw oti xamlha kourdizoun doom mpantes (cathedral, my dying bride) alla kai metalcore mpantes. H kalyterh periptwsh gia mena einai oi Nevermore (nai eimai fanbohs :P ) oi opoioi kai paizoun baria toy kerata alla einai kai xerades, opote tous dinetai h eykairia na paiksoun polla kai diafora pragmata kai den periorizontai mono se yperbaria monoli8ika riffs h mono prog papades, alla syndiazoun ta panta. Alla aytoi exoun 7-xordes, opote ti syzhtame... (endeiktika anaferw oti gia to 'sell my heart for stones' apo to telefteo album kourdisan se G# :shock: )

[The Good Son]

To dropped kourdisma den ginetai xarhn efkolias kai pai3imatos me ena daxtylo filtate. Nai einai efkolotero, alla skepsou ti rythmika mporeis na bgaleis etsi. Poso grhgora mporeis na enallaseis pemptes klp.
Genika to dropped proswpika me trelenei se rythmika basismena se armonikes minore klimakes (azagthoth), opws kai se syrsimata (eidika grhgora - trilies).

[[_NevermorE_]]

Asteieyomoun pio panw. :)
Pantws an kapoios einai paikths de nomizw oti xreiazetai thn en logw patenta gia enallassei grhgora 5es.

[bios]

epidi oi perissoteroi exoune barethei na paizoume se standar E sinithos alazoun to kourdizma kai gia na akougetai pio baris o ixos
kai epidi merikous tous boleuei pio poli,pantos pisteuw oti to drop tuner einai psiloaxristo an kai boleuei na gia na pianeis tis pemptes me barezzz!!!! :D :D :D

[The Good Son]

@[_NevermorE_] Wraia, bres mou ton paixth pou tha paizei sta tasta 5-1-4-1-5-1 (tyxaio hlithio rythmiko), 32a estw kai tha protima na to kanei xwris dropped kourdisma. Thelw na sou pw oti otan exeis mia efkolia, mporeis na thn ekmetallefteis gia na bgaleis kati dyskolotero (xwris afthn), afto den pa na pei oti eisai koulos 3erw gw.

[[_NevermorE_]]

An yparxei kapoios poy aresketai sto na paizei to tyxaio hli8io rythmiko 5-1-4-1-5-1 se 32a, tote me geia toy me xara toy, as kanei drop. :D
Sovara omws twra, den antilegw, me drop kerdizeis se eykolia se sygkekrimeno tropo peksimatos. Apla emena de mou einai xrhsimo, isws einai se allous pio apaititikous pou 8eloun na paiksoun px enan syndyasmo 5wn me ypergrhgores enallages (oxi aparaitha hli8io) :)

[Twisted_Bassist]

]to drop syni8izetai apo nu-metalous nomizw giati etsi ki alliws panw apo treis xordes den paizoun oi koyla8res, opote toys volevei na kanoun th douleia me ena daxtylo :lol:



:moutza:

[[_NevermorE_]]

Na tos! Tsimpise :lol:

[Phoebus]

Κάθε κούρδισμα έχει τα καλά του, έχει τα κακά του. Εκεί που δεν μπορούσες να φτάσεις εκείνη τη μπάσα 7η, με το D dropped την φτάνεις. Εκεί που δεν μπορείς να φτάσεις την μπάσα 3η, με το standard τη φτάνεις. Το τι κούρδισμα έχεις εξαρτάται από το τί έχεις συνθέσει. Άλλοι κάνουν και το ανάποδο (βέβαια δεν αντιλαμβάνονται ότι μπορεί να παιχτεί το κομμάτι σε άλλη οκτάβα/κλίμακα).

Τώρα, γιατί μπάντες παίζουν σε Eb; Νομίζω ότι τα πάντα περιστρέφονται γύρω από την φωνή του τραγουδιστή. Ενώ στην κιθάρα το εύρος είναι μεταβλητό, για έναν τραγουδιστή δεν είναι. ΙΜΗΟ οι συχνότητες που παίζει μια μπαντα πρέπει να περιστρέφονται ή να είναι αρμονικές σ'αυτές που τραγουδάει ο τραγουδιστής. Διαφορετικά θα του καταστραφεί η φωνή. Μου φαίνεται ότι D και Eb είναι συχνότητες που βγάζεις εύκολες φωνητικές γραμμές, στο εύρος που πολύς κόσμος μπορεί να τραγουδήσει.</προσωπική άποψη>

[phthoggon]

Για τους βαρύφωνους αυτό που λέει ο Phoebus ισχύει. Ακόμα προσπαθώ να καταλάβω γιατί όμως το να παίζεις το power chord σε barre θεωρείται πιο γρήγορο από την κανονική μορφή του.

[The Good Son]

Epeidh paizeis me ena daxtylo anti me 2. Einai prwi kai ta ellhnika mou den me bohthoun na to perigrapsw. Mporeis na paizeis 5es me ola ta daxtyla, me thn katallholh topothethsh tou aristerou xeriou. Einai san na pianeis mia nota, gegonos pou ginetai efkolotera apo to na metakineis 2 daxtyla parallhla.

[Twisted_Bassist]

]Na tos! Tsimpise :lol:

nai re mounaki tsibisa
:P

:moutza:

[phthoggon]

Epeidh paizeis me ena daxtylo anti me 2. Einai prwi kai ta ellhnika mou den me bohthoun na to perigrapsw. Mporeis na paizeis 5es me ola ta daxtyla, me thn katallholh topothethsh tou aristerou xeriou. Einai san na pianeis mia nota, gegonos pou ginetai efkolotera apo to na metakineis 2 daxtyla parallhla.

Ξέρω τι είναι το drop, genious, απλώς δεν θεωρώ πιο γρήγορο το να παίζεις με barre αντί της θέσης 1-3-3. Άσε που σου κόβεται απ το πόνο ο δείκτης με το συνεχές barre. (Για παίξτε marduk μουνάκια με drop να μου πείτε μετά :P )

[The Good Son]

sto post den sou e3hgw ti einai dropped, genius, sou e3hgw giati einai efkolotero. Kai sthn telikh siga to dyskolo mparre. Dyo xordes pianeis.

[O)))zma]

poso mou aresoun oi antilogies metaksi kithariston gia texnika themata!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
On topic to drop kourdisma diefkolinei se kapoia pragmata opos px sinxordies xoris tin triti me enati (dil mpare stin 6 kai 5 xordi kai piasimo dio tasta pio kato stin 4 xordi) pou einai poli omorfi se akousma sigxordia kai gia na tin paikseis se kanoniko kourdisma einai sxetika diskolo eidika se psila tasta(1-2-3 ktl)
Ena kourdisma pou dokimazo teleftaia einai to eksis:
arxizontas apo tis mpasses:D,A,D,G,A,D

[The Good Son]

e ousiastika mafto kratwntas mpare olh thn tastiera exeis meizona sygxordia me bash thn nota ths 6hs xordhs. Exei plaka na paizeis me kourdismeta alla katanta xasimo. Proswpika o logos pou den to kanw legetai floyd rose an kai prospathw na kanw thn patenta bgazontas elathrio na peftw "peripou" se allo kourdizma, prama pou diorthwnetai grhgora psilokourdizontas meta.

[O)))zma]

anakalipsa oti to sigkekrimeno kourdisma(DADGAD) onomazetai sevastopol kai epaize etsi o bob didley.
Ego to klepsa apo soundgarden pantos.

[Phoebus]

Η κιθάρα σου έχει floyd ή είναι fixed;

[O)))zma]

tunomatic-stop bar.De ta mporo ta tremola

[[_NevermorE_]]

[quote="[_NevermorE_]":qk3eyvyj]Na tos! Tsimpise :lol:

nai re mounaki tsibisa
:P

:moutza:[/quote:qk3eyvyj]

eyge :lol:

the_good_son an 8es na peiramatisteis me kourdismata kai to floyd rose soy einai empodio, tote dokimase na to mplokareis kai apo tis dyo meries. Etsi exeis kata kapoio tropo mia fixed gefyra kai to floyd menei sthn ey8eia oti kourdisma kai na kaneis. Apla vevaiwsou oti einai kala mplokarismeno.

[Coroner]

To na allazeis kourdisma sunexeia akoma kai me fixed bridge 3eru8mizei to mpratso me apotelesma na mhn paizei kala h ki8ara kai na uparxoun provlhmata setarismatos.

Sth petrucci pou exw otan vazw 9ares erxetai se E enw ama valw 12 ares (an 8umamai kala :P, mporei na einai kai 11ares) exretai automata se C# opote mporw na paizei me auta ta kourdismata xwris 3eru8misma.

Kalh fash o peiramatismos, apla IMHO protimw mia ki8ara pou na paizei swsta.

[VirusXI]

Κούρδισμα c με 12άρες, είμαι και κουλός όπως είπε ο DoP. =)

[O)))zma]

oi kouloi sinithos grafoun gamo tis mousikes

[Panoramix_Miraculix]

ontws, to solo album tou captain hook gamaei.

[lacost]

ontws, to solo album tou captain hook gamaei.
axaxxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxxaxaxaxaaxaxxaaxxxxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxa :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

egw pantos foraw 10-60 se C-G-C-F-A-D k me th custom les paul gamaei k se ogo k se puncy k me to diezel ginetai ktinodia..........

[necropethamenos]

oi kouloi sinithos grafoun gamo tis mousikes

true

[jezuz]

To na koyrdizeis pio xamhla den shmainei oti xaneis se definition, arkei na exeis ta katalhla mhxanhmata/hxo. Oi Berzerker p.x. einai koyrdismenoi A kai mia xara definition exoyn.
Kai egw kai enas filos moy poy eimaste koyrdismenoi B (san eftaxordh) epishs mia xara akoygwmaste (plewn :P )
Egw to kanw pantws giati me boleyei pio poly etsi kai moy aresei pio poly o hxos, akoygetai pio agrios/arwstos... to syni8isa me th mia kai den nomizw na epistrepsw pote pisw se kanoniko koyrdisma...
Sth mpanta pali o ki8aristas einai koyrdismenos D (oxi drop-D), opote exw koyrdisei kai egw to pentaxordo mpasaki kapws perierga, B-D-G-C-F .

[xHERETICx]

To dropped kourdisma den ginetai xarhn efkolias kai pai3imatos me ena daxtylo filtate. Nai einai efkolotero, alla skepsou ti rythmika mporeis na bgaleis etsi. Poso grhgora mporeis na enallaseis pemptes klp.
Genika to dropped proswpika me trelenei se rythmika basismena se armonikes minore klimakes (azagthoth), opws kai se syrsimata (eidika grhgora - trilies).

8es na peis dhladh oti o numetallas - giati mono aytoi kanoun dropped - to kanei giati ta riffs tou einai polyploka kai texnika kai alliws de 8a paizontousan?
mono to iowa exei kapoia riffs pou kollaei na to peis ayto, opws to couple tou heretic anthem pou kai pali omws 8a eleges "de to bgazeis kanonika kalytera mhn erxetai o ka8e malakas na sou leei oti kourdizeis etsi giati alliws den to paizes?". mallon oi ypoloipoi to kanoun ontws gia na ta bgazoun me 1 daxtylo.
h monh xrishmothta pou 8a ebriska egw sto drop 8a htan se live an to standar kourdisma mou htan 2 hmitonia panw kai h8ela ayto gia 1-2 kommatia. alliws de blepw nohma, ektos ki an eixa mpanta pou na eixe synexeia riffs san ayta pou leei o god eater (pou poso grhgora na einai pia) KAI na htan adynato na bgoun kanonika. alliws xamhlo kourdisma, mou aresei to hxoxrwma kai o ogkos tou na kourdizeis se b, b- kai a kai me dwdekares einai mia xara (gia to b toulaxisto)

ka8ara on topic twra, den kourdizeis xamhlotera epeidh phres pio xontres cordes. an htan 8a epairnes pio leptes kai 8a kourdizes kanonika. kapoioi kourdisan xamhlotera gia ton ogko kai th sapila (eidika sto death metal). apo ekei kai pera merikoi to xrhsimopoioun gia na katebasoun 1 h kapoia hmitonia parapanw ton tono tou kommatiou kai na bgainoun ta fwnhtika eykolotera sta live (oi metallica prin ap'olous?). oi numetallades isws kai gia tous 2 logous. akougetai pio monterno ektos twn allwn. oso gia to an ginetai baboura, ayto exei na kanei me to poso stacatta exeis ma8ei na paizeis