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Amnesiac.

11-12-2003, 23:59

xmm einai ypervoliko na poume oti oi tool exoun prosferei perissotera apo ta megala 70's sygkrotimata, oson afora sto posous exoun epirreasei ktl. as mi ksexname oti oi tool einai kainouria sxetika mpanta kai o xronos leitourgei yper twn palaioterwn. kai yparxoun kai diaforoi alloi paragontes pou apokleioun ousiastika to endexomeno oi tool na epirreasoun toso mazika ti mousiki. ara oxi, oi tool den exoun se kamia periptwsi analogi mousiki prosfora me ta megala 70's sygkrotimata kai oute tha apoktisoun pote.
OMWS : de thewrw oti oi tool einai isaksioi me ta megala sygkrotimata, thewrw oti einai KALYTEROI. ta pragmata einai apla : akouw tool poly perissotero ap'oti akouw deep purple i led zeppelin px, oi tool einai i agapimeni mou mpanta olwn twn epoxwn (ante, mazi me radiohead sadsdfdf), i mousiki tous me kalyptei synaisthimatika poly perissotero ap'oti i mousiki allwn terastiwn sygkrotimatwn, opote to vriskw poly logiko na pw oti thewrw tous tool anwterous apo opoiadipote mpanta exei yparksei pote. anwterous GIA MENA, de lew antikeimenika i tpt tetoio, de me endiaferei kamia antikeimenikotita.
pote de mporesa na katalavw apopseis tou styl "i tade mpanta einai i agapimeni mou alla oi black sabbath einai panw ap'ola". de tha prepe monadiko kritirio gia to poia einai i koryfaia mpanta na einai i ikanopoiisi pou lamvanoume akougontas mousiki emeis proswpika?
giati na dimiourgoume "iera terata" kai stereotypa? i opoia Istoria grafetai, eite einai mousiki, eite istoria enos laou eite otidipote, aksizei na mnimoneyetai gia na symvallei sti veltiwsi kai ekseliksi twn sygxrownwn anthrwpwn, oxi gia na dimiourgei parelthontolagneia. kai den ennow oti prepei na akoume mono kainouria pragmata i tpt tetoio, apla kalo tha einai na mi dinoume stin istoria parapanw simasia ap'oso tis aksizei, afou stin teliki ton idio "antikeimeniko skopo" exoume oloi osoi akoume mousiki : tin apolaysi/ikanopoiisi/opws thelete peite to.
kalo einai mono o,ti akougetai kalo sta dika mou aytia.

BLiTzER

12-12-2003, 02:28

Den einai panta etsi. Ego px theoro koryfaio album ton Metz to Puppets, alla to agaphmeno mou einai to Lightning. Theoro koryfaio album ton DT to Gallery, alla to agaphmeno mou einai to Mind's I. Theoro koryfaio album ton Opeth to Still Life, alla agaphmeno mou einai to My Arms.. ktl.. ktl.. ktl..

Opos eipa kai se prohgoumeno post, ksexorizo to "antikeimenika" kalo (kalytero,kallisto), apo ayto pou EGO goustaro perissotero. Akougomai toso ektos? :P

Kata t'alla symfono me thn teleytaia sou paragrafo. Pote den katalava giati PREPEI na akoume kati epeidh exei istoria h prosfora sto xoro h otidhpote sxetiko. Kai fysika den to kano..

The Butcher

12-12-2003, 02:42

egw pali me to teleytaio post tou amnesiac symfwnw se pososto 1000%. tha mporousan na einai dika mou logia!!!
k ontws de mporw na katalavw pws ginetai na leei kapoios opws s'ayti tin periptwsi esy blizer, oti "o x diskos einai o agapimenos mou, alla o y einai o kalyteros tous". poios einai "kalyteros" diskos? aytos pou exei "kalyteri" mousiki? "kalyteri" mousiki den einai ayti pou sou aresei ESENA perissotero?

ase pou sto post sou xrisimopoieis mia apo tis xeiroteres lekseis apo katavolis tou anthrwpinou genous: "antikeimenika"
mprrrrrr...

The Butcher

12-12-2003, 02:53

vsk sorry pou sas ta prizw kiolas, alla sxetika me ayto to post tou amnesiac, epeidi to ksanadiavaza twra- einai kati parapanw apo teleio, einai mia zwgrafia!

k paizei na einai to kalytero post pou exei kanei o amnesiac se oli tin diadiktyaki tou karriera!!!:P

BLiTzER

12-12-2003, 03:09

k ontws de mporw na katalavw pws ginetai na leei kapoios opws s'ayti tin periptwsi esy blizer, oti "o x diskos einai o agapimenos mou, alla o y einai o kalyteros tous". poios einai "kalyteros" diskos? aytos pou exei "kalyteri" mousiki? "kalyteri" mousiki den einai ayti pou sou aresei ESENA perissotero?

Oxi. Dld (paradeigma) an to agaphmeno MetallicA kommati kapoiou einai to Until It Sleeps, shmainei oti ayto einai to koryfaio tous mousika? Se kamia periptosh... To ti einai koryfaio MOUSIKA einai antikeimenikotato (xoris eisagogika edo giati to ennoo).

Kai einai BLITZER!!

ase pou sto post sou xrisimopoieis mia apo tis xeiroteres lekseis apo katavolis tou anthrwpinou genous: "antikeimenika"
mprrrrrr...

Htan se eisagogika omos, akrivos epeidh einai periergh leksh :)

Buddy Lackey

12-12-2003, 03:15

tha pw kati paromoio pou xe pei o symposium se ena post peri politics of ecstacy: allo na sou aresei kati, kai allo na anagnorizeis oti kati einai wraio isws peran apo to gousto sou, kai exei anwteri mousiki aksia.
den einai kat'anagki kalitero oti kapoion kaliptei , ekfrazei, ARESEI kati perissotero apo ola ta alla.
kai peri istorias bla bla: OLA ma OLA ta groups tou sklhrou hxou, exoun epirroes apo 70s (kai an den exei to kirio tous group, ta perissotero kanoun projects gia na paizoun san 70s, vlepe Cannibal Corpse), i sigkekrimeni dekaetia kalws i kakws DEN EXEI KSEPERASTEI akoma .
egw pantws den mporw na skeftw kati kalytero apo Black Sabbath kai Rush pou gia mena einai ta kalytera groups ever kai apo ta poli agapimena mou (enw ta top favs einai alla), kai afto mou vgainei afthormita otan akouw px Cathedral 'h Dream Theater kai skeftomai oti ta dio proanaferthenta 70s groups , einai TO APOLYTO, dimiourgisane ta asilipta (sxedon mesa apo to tipota) kai tromazw mprosta sto megaleio tous.Grapsane MONADIKES melwdies P-R-O-T-O-T-I-P-A 100% themata, kai h epirroh tous einai kai kati peran apo aplws notes (stixoi, image klp) kati pou kalws i kakws DEN SIMVENEI SIMERA.

The Butcher

12-12-2003, 03:23

wx, sorry blitzer, den iksera oti to ][ einai "t"!!! alitheia ti simainei "blitzer"?

[zER][quote="The Butcher":1fw6x25w]ase pou sto post sou xrisimopoieis mia apo tis xeiroteres lekseis apo katavolis tou anthrwpinou genous: "antikeimenika"
mprrrrrr...

Htan se eisagogika omos, akrivos epeidh einai periergh leksh :)[/quote:1fw6x25w]
yeah, ta eida ta eisagwgika, apla den ithela na grapsw perissotera!

OMWS

ksanales "antikeimenikotato" k ayti ti fora xwris eisagwgika!:P genika epimeneis na xrisimopoieis mia leksi pou kata tin apopsi mou den eprepe na yfistato k pou ousiastika den exei k noima! prokeitai gia megali syzitisi pou de tha ithela na anoiksoume edw. des to omws apla: otan kapoios, me oli ti dynami tis psyxis tou, PISTEYEI kati, ok sigoura prokeitai gia mia "ypokeimeniki" apopsi k tpt parapanw. poso noima omws exei to na thewreis oti ayti i "ypokeimeniki" apopsi einai "lanthasmeni", epeidi k kala yparxei kati "antikeimenika" swsto"??? an thes ti gnwmi mou, otan o allos mou leei oti nte k kala to until it sleeps einai to kalytero tragoudi twn metallica, egw tha pw "ok file o,ti peis" k as diafwnw mazi tou. den exei noima na prospathw na tou epivallw mia alli apopsi, k as symfwnei mazi mou OLI i ypoloipi anthrwpotita!!! alitheia, an k eimaste pleon teleiws ektos thematos, pws orizeis tin ennoia "antikeimenikotita"???(se rwtaw epeidi ti xrisimopoieis poly syxna) :?

The Butcher

12-12-2003, 03:35

tha pw kati paromoio pou xe pei o symposium se ena post peri politics of ecstacy: allo na sou aresei kati, kai allo na anagnorizeis oti kati einai wraio isws peran apo to gousto sou, kai exei anwteri mousiki aksia.
den einai kat'anagki kalitero oti kapoion kaliptei , ekfrazei, ARESEI kati perissotero apo ola ta alla.
ola ta pragmata exoun mia "wraiotita" k as vriskontai pera apo ta gousta sou. k otan milaw gia "kalytero" den ennow vevaia oti ayto pou thewrw "kalytero" twn allwn prepei na thewreitai kalytero genika, ap'olous tous ypoloipous! otan les "antikeimenika kalytero" ti ennoeis? oti i pleiopsifia tou kosmou to thewrei "kalytero"? dekto, alla epi tis ousias ayto de leei k polla kata tin apopsi mou!
a k i ekfrasi "anwteri mousiki aksia" einai poly kammeni. to "anwteri" einai sixameni leksi, k to "aksia" poly sxetiko!!!

sxetika me ayto pou les buddy peri istorias to katalavainw- to'xw pathei k egw px tous teleytaious mines pou akouw pink floyd k me tromo syneiditopoiw poso poly i syntriptiki pleiopsifia twn sygrotimatwn pou xronia twra exw agapisei exei epirreastei kath'ola apo to en logw group.
kai sta peri prwtotypias, pisteyw oti den einai panta i prwtotypia to zitoumeno, alla panw ap'ola i WRAIA MOUSIKI!!! an to pame etsi stin teliki, kaneis den einai prwtotypos, afou oloi kapou vasistikan gia na ftiaksoun oti eftiaksan k thewreitai "prwtotypo"!

BLiTzER

12-12-2003, 03:41

An o typos synexizei na yposthrizei oti to Sleepz einai to koryfaio tous kommati mousika, tote apla de gnorizei apo mousikh. Den einai thema goustou :)

H mousikh edo kai paaaaaara polla xronia exei mpei se poly stena oria gia na xoraei prosopikh apopsh. Kati (gia na klepso ton buddy) anoterhs mousikhs aksias de mporei na amfisvitithei apo kanena gousto.. kai to antitheto.

Exo kanei apeires fores ayth th syzhthsh. Yparxoun POLLA atoma pou theoroun oti h mousikh einai pano ap'ola thema goustou. Ego de symfono. Ta panta sth mousikh einai antikeimenikotata kai orismena opos sta mathimatika.

Buddy Lackey

12-12-2003, 03:47

kai gia na to pw pio apla: den mporw na akousw klassiki mousiki ektos apo elaxistes eksereseis, milame tin variemai APISTEFTA
siga min amfisvitisw omws tin MOUSIKI TIS AKSIA, kai to oti diathetei apisteftes melwdies kai tromeri empnefsi pou apla den mou kanoun koukou emena , gia diaforous logous.
kai den mporw na katalavw giati i ekfrasi "anwteri mousiki aksia" einai lathos, kammeni i otidipote ...
to "aksia" sigoura den einai sxetiko otan sinidotopieis poso diaforetika (pros to ligotero kalo mallon) tha itan kapoia pragmata xwris tin yparksh twn Pink Floyd pou eipes gia paradeigma

The Butcher

12-12-2003, 03:51

@ Bli][zer:
gamise ta! gia na eimai akrivis, egw pisteyw oti OLA einai thema goustou. k mi sygrineis tin texni me ta mathimatika, den (tha eprepe na) exoun tin paramikri sxesi!:P
k les k esy ta idia peri "anwteris mousikis aksias" klp klp... :?

psss gamise ta plaka plaka de diafwnoume aplws, exoume ek diametrou antithetes apopseis!!! k sigoura de tha vgei akri edw, isws an kapote vrethoume apo konta...:P

pros to paron, sorry alla lew na paw gia ypno...:)

PS. re, allakse to avatar sou, einai ypervolika kavla!!!:P

The Butcher

12-12-2003, 03:57

ante aaalo ena post, gi'ayta pou eipe o buddy twra:

proswpika pisteyw oti TA PANTA exoun kapoia aksia. asxeto an emena m'aresoun me ekfrazoun klp i oxi. omws i aksia pou o kathenas dinei sta pragmata einai diaforetiki, gi'ayto k i ennoia einai SXETIKOTATI! k gia to paradeigma twn floyd, mporei na thewrw oti eoun TERASTIA aksia, omws gia allon na katatassontai sta pio midaminis aksias pragmata tou kosmou. DE MOU LEEI TIPOTA I APOPSI TOU k oute tha mpw sti diadikasia na vrw poios exei dikio i adiko klp klp!!!

k gia to skelos "anwteri", apla k me liga logia, tipota den einai anwtero apo tipota allo. aplws diaforetiko. :P

Buddy Lackey

12-12-2003, 04:01

i gnwmi vasizetai se gnwsi
gia na pei kapoios afto gia Pink Floyd oson afora tin mousiki tous aksia, tote den kserei ti tou ginetai plain and simple.

BLiTzER

12-12-2003, 05:22

k mi sygrineis tin texni me ta mathimatika, den (tha eprepe na) exoun tin paramikri sxesi!:P

Um.. exeis melethsei katholou theoria mousikhs? Akoma kai ta poly vasika na katseis na melethseis, tha deis oti de milao katholou ston aera. TIPOTA sth mousikh den einai tyxaio (gi'ayto kai den afhnei perithoria prosopikhs apopshs).

PS. re, allakse to avatar sou, einai ypervolika kavla!!!:P

Vasika perimena ontos na mou thn poun giati einai arketa megalo. Alla efoson den anefere kaneis tpt to kratao na goustaroume :)

Dragonlord

12-12-2003, 11:21

[zER]
[quote="The Butcher":2bl7xpaq]PS. re, allakse to avatar sou, einai ypervolika kavla!!!:P

Vasika perimena ontos na mou thn poun giati einai arketa megalo. Alla efoson den anefere kaneis tpt to kratao na goustaroume :)[/quote:2bl7xpaq]
Είναι μεγάλο,αλλά εφόσον δεν επιβαρύνεται ο server μας δε με πολυενοχλεί για την ώρα.Αρκεί να μην αρχίσουν κι άλλοι να βάζουν τόσο μεγάλα avatars.Αλλά θα προτιμούσα να βγει γιατί έχω το ίδιο πρόβλημα με τον butcher,σοβαρά είναι too much :p

Chopped In Half

12-12-2003, 15:09

To άβαταρ του Μπλίτζερ δεν πρέπει να βγει. Λέω να βάλω και ένα link στην sig μου που να παραπέμπει σ' αυτό.

Amnesiac.

12-12-2003, 15:26

xmm symfwnw me mpoutser.
opws eipa kai prin, kalo einai mono oti akougetai kalo sta dika mou aytia. de me endiaferei katholou ti akoune oi alloi, se kamia periptwsi den pisteyw oti yparxei antikeimeniki aksia sti mousiki, eksakolouthw na min katalavainw pws ginetai to agapimeno mas sygkrotima/album/tragoudi na diaferei apo ayto pou thewroume kalytero.
ksodeyw ta xrimata mou kai ton xrono mou gia na akousw kati pou me aggizei, de me endiaferoun oi epirroes enos sygkrotimatos, para mono to oti i mousiki tou milaei stin psyxi mou.
gia paradeigma, de mporei kapoios na goustarei perissotero tous cathedral apoti tous black sabbath, estw ki an oi prwtoi einai se megalo vathmo epirreasmenoi apo tous deyterous? giati prepei na valw kanones sto ti mou aresei perissotero? giati kati prepei na mou aresei perissotero apo kati allo?
pantou yparxoun prwtoporoi kai "akolouthoi", oxi mono sti mousiki. ayto omws de simainei oti oi prwtoporoi einai panta kalyteroi. apli logiki einai, de tha ypirxe ekseliksi se tipota an den ypirxe kai veltiwsi.
oi dream theater exoun orismena simeia pou antigrafoun tous tool. alla re gmt ta simeia ayta einai poly kalopaigmena kai vgazoun synaisthima, den kathomai na skeftw to megaleio twn tool otan ta akouw alla to megaleio twn dream theater.
......
poly to kourasa to thema, i moni "anagkaia synthiki" gia na akousw kati einai na mou aresei. einai aplo. dystyxws ta aytia mou den einai antikeimenika, isws na prokeitai gia lathos tis fysis, den kserw, de mporw na anagnwrisw kamia antikeimenikotita sti mousiki, oson afora sti synaisthimatiki tis pleyra. yparxei kai i texniki/ektelestiki pleyra tis mousikis, stin opoia isws na xwraei kapoia antikeimenikotita, alla pote de me endiefere ayto to kommati tis mousikis.

Amnesiac.

12-12-2003, 16:13

mias kai psiloksefygame apo tous tool kai milame gia kati genikotero, den kanete ena split thread kai na to valete sto off topic (ennoeitai :)) na akousoume kai tis apopseis twn ypoloipwn kamenwn?
eyxaristw.

Buddy Lackey

12-12-2003, 17:02

kaneis den eipe oti prepei pou to exeis kai se bold, apla oti vgenei afthormita i anagnwrisi kati pou den tixenei na einai to agapimeno sou, ws kalitero
kai den milisa mono gia epiroh , alla kai gia alla.

Amnesiac.

12-12-2003, 17:09

still don't get it.
den mouxei symvei pote.

The Butcher

12-12-2003, 17:17

kaneis den eipe oti prepei pou to exeis kai se bold, apla oti vgenei afthormita i anagnwrisi kati pou den tixenei na einai to agapimeno sou, ws kalitero
egw, gia na'xei k noima i kouventa, thelw na mou orisete ti ennoeite legontas oti kati einai "kalytero" apo kati allo.
kai to "aythormita" part nomizw oti mporei na tethei ypo amfisvitisi.:P

blitzer, exw meletisei k mathimatika, k ta vasika tis thewrias tis mousikis. oson afora ayto to thema, i apopsi mou einai oti i thewria tis mousikis einai aplws enas kwdikas pou exei sa skopo to na ginetai i synennoisi (metaksy twn mousikwn kyriws) panw se kapoia koini vasi. i mousiki omws synolika einai kati poly parapanw apo notes, aksies, time signatures klp klp...

Buddy Lackey

12-12-2003, 17:22

Amnesiac.

12-12-2003, 17:24

Someone told me once
that there's a right and wrong,
and that punishment
would come to those
who dare to cross the line.

(tool einai)

Buddy Lackey

12-12-2003, 17:27

ok
tote opoios theorei tous tool to xeirotero group ever exei kai aftos to dikio tou

The Butcher

12-12-2003, 17:30

ehm i kolonia exei kaliteri myrwdia apo ta skata
ta xania exoun kalytero souvlaki apo tin athina
oi soundgarden exoun kalitero tragoudisti apo tous 5 twn one
klp klp ..
giati theteis to "Afthormita" se amfisvitisi?
wraia ta paradeigmata, alla egw protimousa orismo... ta paradeigmata pou les mporoun na mou poun to poly poly oti "stous perissoterous aresei pio poly to tade apo to deina". omws sta 6 disekatommyria anthrwpwn, pisteyw oti yparxei estw k ENAS pou pisteyei oti ta skata exoun "kalyteri" myrwdia apo tin kolonia, i athina "kalytero" souvlaki apo ta xania k oti oi singers twn one einai "kalyteroi" apo ayton twn soundgarden! opote aytomatws anaireitai to noima tis leksis "kalitero"!!!!

k sxetika me to aythormita, nomizw oti einai praktika poly dyskolo na thewroume pws otidipote mporei na symvei "aythormita", kathws ta panta "ormwntai" apo kati allo...:P

Amnesiac.

12-12-2003, 17:31

ok
tote opoios theorei tous tool to xeirotero group ever exei kai aftos to dikio tou

ennoeitai.

Buddy Lackey

12-12-2003, 17:31

apo ti allo?
ok vasika me tis lekseis paizeis "kalitero" einai mia ennoia pou aplws ekfrazetai mesa apo afti tin leksi kai simenei polla parapanw ta opoia grafw sto post peri rush sabbath klp

BLiTzER

12-12-2003, 17:38

oson afora ayto to thema, i apopsi mou einai oti i thewria tis mousikis einai aplws enas kwdikas pou exei sa skopo to na ginetai i synennoisi (metaksy twn mousikwn kyriws) panw se kapoia koini vasi. i mousiki omws synolika einai kati poly parapanw apo notes, aksies, time signatures klp klp...

Epitrepse mou na diafonhso kai na (ksana)toniso oti h mousikh sthn praksh sthrizetai mexri kai thn teleytaia leptomereia sth theoria kai h mia epivevaionei kai oloklhronei thn allh.

Osoi den exoun idea apo mousikh, profanos den to katalavainoun ayto. Osoi den kseroun polla, alla exoun ayti, lene "ayto MOU AKOUGETAI etsi", xoris na exoun idea pos kai giati. Osoi gnorizoun, lene oti ayto einai ETSI giati sth theoria ISXYEI AYTO. De thelo na milhso sygkekrimena, alla den einai poly dyskolo na to katalaveis.

Oso gia to "kalytero".. tria "power chords" se ena kommati px den einai tpt spoudaio synthetika, right? De mporo na sou doso kapoio orismo, pantos otan akouo kati kai einai kalo (mousika panta) pistepse me to katalavaino. Akoma ki an DE mou leei tpt san kommati, tha paradexto tous mousikous otan paizoun kati kalo.

Buddy Lackey

12-12-2003, 17:41

oxi amnesiac, den ennoitai, giati an ennountan tote den tha ekanes tetoies online "fasaries" epi tis poiotitas twn tool[/quote]

Amnesiac.

12-12-2003, 17:41

exei simasia an oi mousikoi paizoun "kati kalo"?

p.s. min akouseis sunn O)))

Amnesiac.

12-12-2003, 17:46

oxi amnesiac, den ennoitai, giati an ennountan tote den tha ekanes tetoies online "fasaries" epi tis poiotitas twn tool

ouf...pou akrivws lew oti opoios thewrei skata tous tool einai ............. (valte opoio xaraktirismo thelete)
i pou to afinw na ennoithei?

i "online fasaria" ksekinise gia ena thema entelws asxeto me tin poiotita twn tool.

The Butcher

12-12-2003, 17:46

apo ti allo?
en prokeimenw eipes oti "vgenei aythormita i anagnwrisi kapoiou ws kalytero". poso "aythormita" mporei na anagnwristei kati ws "kalytero"? kathe anagnwrisi vasizetai se kapoia kritiria, ta opoia panta einai sxetika. kata tin apopsi mou aythormita einai mono ta synaisthimata, alla ayto k an einai "ypokeimeniko" thema e?!... :P

ok vasika me tis lekseis paizeis "kalitero" einai mia ennoia pou aplws ekfrazetai mesa apo afti tin leksi kai simenei polla parapanw ta opoia grafw sto post peri rush sabbath klp
ayto zitisa k egw, na mou peis telika ti simainei "kalitero". thewreis oti yparxei estw k ena pragma pou OLOI na thewroun "kalytero" apo kati allo? giati egw de to nomizw...:?

Buddy Lackey

12-12-2003, 17:47

gia na isxiei kati den simenei oti prepei na to ennooune oloi ws exei
den eipa oti epeidi ego to theorw kalitero kati , simenei oti nte kai kala isxiei
kai akrivws ta synaisthimata me kanoun na pw oti kati einai kalitero apo to allo
a kai o hlios den iparxei

Amnesiac.

12-12-2003, 17:47

to signature mou.

The Butcher

12-12-2003, 17:53

pwpw sorry re paidia, exei gamithei i fasi!!! dyskoli kouventa, k de nomizw oti vgazei pouthena apo'dw mesa!!!

buddy les "gia na isxyei kati den simainei oti prepei oloi na to ennooune ws exei". ti tha pei "ws exei"? dld "exei kapws" sygekrimena?
les oti ta synaisthimata se kanoun na peis oti kati einai kalytero apo kati allo. tote erxesai sta logia mou, afou profanws dexesai k oti ta synaisthimata einai zitima entelws proswpiko/ "ypokeimeniko" gia ton kathena!
k o ilios, an rwtas emena de me polynoiazei an nte k kala "stin paragmatikotita" yparxei. omws an kapoios erthei k mou priksei ta arxidia oti "o ilios den yparxei" de tha tou pw eisai malakas, tha tou pw "ok, oti peis" k tha ton grapsw st'arxidia mou. giati O,TI LEEI O KATHENAS EINAI APLWS I APOPSI TOU!!! :wink:

lost_icon

12-12-2003, 18:45

postarete san tous trelous kai sthn ousia ola afta pou exete aradiasei tha mporousate na ta peite me ena aplo "mou aresoun" h "den mou aresoun" kai giati sas aresoun h den sas aresoun,alla exete analwthei se aerologies kai paparologies kai pianeste apo thn paramikrh leksh tou kathena. :x :evil:

Kai xwnepste to epitelous giati arketa threads exoun ginei gia tous TOOL,afth th stigmh den yparxei group pou na mporei na tous plhsiasei se pollous tomeis,einai "idiaitero group" kai opoios den tous exei noiwsei sto petsi tou den prokeitai pote na katalavei thn mousikh tous,apla den sygkrinontai me otidhpote metal h rock,afto pou paizoun gia mena einai TOOL kai tpt parapanw,kai opoios eipe oti exoun prosferei osa exoun prosferei ta iera terata pisw sta 70's tote mallon pairnei apsyfista thn shmantikothta kapoiwn pink floyd,led zeppelin (proskynw me ta 4) kai twn king crimson.

aftaaa! :twisted:

cloud

12-12-2003, 23:26

Atermones syzhthseis opou xanetai h ousia. To noumero 1 arnhtiko twn forums.

Amnesiac.

12-12-2003, 23:31

ontws. i ousia tha prepe na xanetai se ola ta topics.

BLiTzER

13-12-2003, 01:04

Kai xwnepste to epitelous giati arketa threads exoun ginei gia tous TOOL,afth th stigmh den yparxei group pou na mporei na tous plhsiasei se pollous tomeis

Tora na gelaso? :) Toulaxiston mila pio sygkekrimena gia na mporoume na se diapseysoume. To "se pollous tomeis" den einai kai poly safes.

{NightStalker}

13-12-2003, 02:23

Twra pws apo tin ennoia ths antikeimenikotitas/ypokimenikotitas sti mousikh to pigate stous tool de mporw na to katalavw...Egw apla 8a h8ela na epishmanw oti me to na anageis tin poiothta tis mousikhs mono sto synaisthima eksiswneis olous tous mousikous..Kati to opoio den isxyei..Oson afora to ''oi tool einai akseperastoi se pollous tomeis'' de vlepw kapoia vash ston isxyrismo ayton..

morphine

13-12-2003, 02:26

{NightStalker}

13-12-2003, 02:43

1.Mallon den to proseksa,la8os mou.
2.To 8ema einai na tekmhriwneis ayta pou grafeis etsi wste na peisis ton allo gia thn or8othta twn apopsewn sou.That's the hard part..
To kalo einai oti to ER diakrinete apo enan plouralismo apopsewn(ti leei o an8rwpos ama nystazei..) :D

morphine

13-12-2003, 03:19

2.To 8ema einai na tekmhriwneis ayta pou grafeis etsi wste na peisis ton allo gia thn or8othta twn apopsewn sou.That's the hard part..

auto oso kai na xtupas ton kwlo sou katw, de ginetai :P Sto katw katw apo pote oi apopseis einai or8es h mh? Einai or8es gia auton pou tis exei :P
(gi'auto mallon kai oi perissoteroi sumfwnoun sto oti den uparxei antikeimenikothta sth mousikh klp)

lost_icon

13-12-2003, 04:49

Tora na gelaso? :) Toulaxiston mila pio sygkekrimena gia na mporoume na se diapseysoume. To "se pollous tomeis" den einai kai poly safes.[/quote]

ee pws na to kanoume emeis oi toolers eimaste asafeis opws kai to group pou akoume. :twisted:

BLiTzER

13-12-2003, 04:53

Oi apopseis einai adiapseysta sostes otan sthrizontai se adiapseysta gegonota :)

To oti oi Tool einai "oi kalyteroi" den peithei kai pollous. Kai kyrios an den yparxei tpt to back it up.

lost_icon

13-12-2003, 04:53

1. to topic 3ekinhse ws split apo topic gia tous tool
2. uparxei vash ston isxurismo auto- to ti niw8ei autos pou to egrapse otan akouei tool.[/quote]

morfin zetem :D

p.s. thymise mou otan ksanavrethoume athina na se kerasw coca vanilla :D

BLiTzER

13-12-2003, 04:54

POTE THA MATHEIS NA KANEIS QUOTE? :P

lost_icon

13-12-2003, 04:58

[zER]Oi apopseis einai adiapseysta sostes otan sthrizontai se adiapseysta gegonota :)

To oti oi Tool einai "oi kalyteroi" den peithei kai pollous. Kai kyrios an den yparxei tpt to back it up.

esy tha kerasteis soumada,den se afhnw paraponemeno xexe :lol:

lost_icon

13-12-2003, 05:00

[zER]POTE THA MATHEIS NA KANEIS QUOTE? :P

pote den prokeitai na mathw :oops:

morphine

13-12-2003, 05:17

1. to topic 3ekinhse ws split apo topic gia tous tool
2. uparxei vash ston isxurismo auto- to ti niw8ei autos pou to egrapse otan akouei tool.

morfin zetem :D

p.s. thymise mou otan ksanavrethoume athina na se kerasw coca vanilla :D

se peirazei na ferw mia cocalight vanilla apo dw8e kai na me keraseis authn? =]]]

lost_icon

13-12-2003, 15:11

[quote]1. to topic 3ekinhse ws split apo topic gia tous tool
2. uparxei vash ston isxurismo auto- to ti niw8ei autos pou to egrapse otan akouei tool.

morfin zetem :D

p.s. thymise mou otan ksanavrethoume athina na se kerasw coca vanilla :D

se peirazei na ferw mia cocalight vanilla apo dw8e kai na me keraseis authn? =]]][/quote:2757kydz]

no prob xex :D

FIXXXER

13-12-2003, 15:21

Ki ego thelo mia Pepsi Twist Light Vanilla xoris anthrakiko.

morphine

13-12-2003, 15:59

antikeimenika pepsi sucks.

Amnesiac.

13-12-2003, 18:16

antikeimenika gamisate to thread.

oi Tool einai i agapimeni mou mpanta, to lew gia alli mia fora, prepei na kanw kai kaka gia na sas peisw oti to pisteyw kiolas?

cloud

13-12-2003, 18:20

kane

lost_icon

13-12-2003, 18:26

antikeimenika gamisate to thread.

oi Tool einai i agapimeni mou mpanta, to lew gia alli mia fora, prepei na kanw kai kaka gia na sas peisw oti to pisteyw kiolas?

to thread eixe gamhthei apo proxthes alla tespa :)

The_Emperor

14-12-2003, 14:02

ithela na apanthso edw kai meres alla monaxa ston titlo toy topic o opoios mou fainetai apisteyta endiaferon.

Malista etyxe ptin liges meres na parakolouthiso mia dialeksh enos poly shmantikoy italou filologou pou hrthe sta Ioannina gia na milhsei kai h omilia toy epektathike akribws sto thema toy topic alla genika gia olh thn texnh. Pragmatika tromera endiaferon thema. gia na sas dwsw meses akres thn apopsh toy me thn opoia symfwnw ki egw, o typos theorei oti stis teleytaies 100ethrides h texnh den akolouthei pleon ena reyma wste na mporei kapoios na krinei diaforetikes morfes ekfrashs mesa sta idia plaisia. H forma exei ousiastika katarghthei kai oi koinoi topoi apoteloyn thn ekseresh. Antilambanetai kaneis oti ypo tetoies proypotheseis h eksetash twn diaforetikwn tropwn ekfrashs katw apo ena koino prisma ginetai adynath.
synepws den yparxei antikeimenikothta apo th stigmh pou o kathenas krinei me diaforetika krithria. Dioti akomh kai gia ta pio basika pragmata mporei kapoios na exei diaforetikh optikh gwnia. As paroume gia paradeigma mia mpanta me arties texnikes gnwseis, toys Dream Theater. synhthws akomh kai oi polemioi toys paradexontai oti einai megaloi paiktes kai h mousikh tous apaitei tromerh eksaskhsh kai douleia ths mpantas. Alla eimai sigouros oti tha yparxoun ki alloi pou tha toys theoroun pantelws adiaforous kai oti h texnikh toys den eksyphretei se tipota efoson oi syntheseis toys toys kourazoun.
apo thn allh pleyra mpantes oi opoies mporei na paizoun entelws aplh mousikh basismenh se ligosta akornta me skopo monaxa na grapsoun kapoia kommatia pou tha kolane sto mialo kai se "arpazoun" amesos mporei na theorountai pantelws baretes apo enan atherapeyto progressiva.

Proswpika pisteyo oti ti aresei ston kathena alla akomh kai to ti einai kalo h oxi einai kathara ypokeimeniko. Epishs briskw pantelws anousies ths sygkriseis akomh kai metaksy groups pou anhkoun sto idio mousiko yfos dioti pantote yparxoun diafores sth mousikh toys.
Ego niotho pragmatika eytyxhs gia thn poikilia pou emfanizetai shmera sth mousikh kathws dinei th dynatothta ston kathe akroath na epileksei ayto pou pragmatika toy tairiazei afhnontas ki aytos me th seira toy toys allous na kanoun to idio. Sto katw katw ths grafhs milame gia texnh...oxi gia prwtathlima opou prepei na diagwnistoyn oi mpantes kai ta eidh gia to poio einai to kalytero kai poio to xeirotero...
akouste th mousikh pou protimate ki afhste toys allous na kanoun to idio...

Amnesiac.

14-12-2003, 14:20

symfwnw apolyta se osa egrapse o filtatos, i moni mou diafwnia einai se ena simeio mono :
briskw pantelws anousies ths sygkriseis akomh kai metaksy groups pou anhkoun sto idio mousiko yfos dioti pantote yparxoun diafores sth mousikh toys.

proswpika thewrw oti oi sygkriseis anamesa akoma kai se entelws diaforetika group einai logikes. stin oikonomiki thewria (kai oxi mono) yparxei i ennoia tis "xrisimotitas", pou se genikes grammes ekfrazei tin eyxaristisi pou apokomizei kapoios apo tin katanalwsi enos proiontos. dedomenou oti kai i mousiki apotelei agatho/proion (aylo), einai logiko na prosferei kapoia xrisimotita ston akroati.
kai an kai einai idiaitera dyskolo (sxedon adynato) na "metriseis" tin ikanopoiisi pou sou prosferei enas diskos, se arketes periptwseis mporei na ginei, toulaxiston sygkrinontas mia ikanopoiisi me kapoia alli (ennow oti den yparxei kapoia klimaka 1-10 px pou na metraei tin eyxaristisi, opote i "metrisi" ginetai sygkritika me kapoia alli eyxaristisi). ayto einai poly dyskolo na ginei otan prospathiseis na sygkrineis px dyo diskous pou sou aresoun poly. den exei kai noima stin teliki.
parol'ayta, mporeis eykola na sygkrineis tin ikanopoiisi pou lamvaneis apo ena disko pou sou aresei kai apo ena pou de sou aresei. einai profanes nomizw ayto.
opote, estw kai me kapoious periorismous, i sygkrisi metaksy sygkrotimatwn mporei na ginei kai na einai kai logiki.
ayta ta xame ksanapei kai sto metalbb, sto "perifimo" tool vs iron maiden poll pou eixa kanei. i logiki pisw apo ayto to poll itan akrivws ayti. kati mou aresei poly, kati allo de mou aresei katholou, ara einai eykolo na sygkrinw tin ikanopoiisi pou lamvanw.
a kai kati allo. oi listes me ta kalytera kathe xronou pou grafoun oloi akrivws ayti ti logiki den exei? gia na valeis kapoio album sti thesi no.1 kai oxi kapoio allo, den kaneis mia atypi kai pithanotata yposyneiditi sygkrisi metaksy tous? giati exei noima na sygkrineis album me album kai oxi sygkrotima me sygkrotima?

The Butcher

14-12-2003, 16:19

theiko to post tou emperor- poly xairomai pou ekfrazei akrivws tis apopseis mou!;) peite mou re, oloi ekei eksw de sas fainontai apolyta logika ayta pou leei? giati egw tha ta xaraktiriza aytonoita... :?

se ena simeio mono tha ithela na kanw ena sxolio:
o typos theorei oti stis teleytaies 100ethrides h texnh den akolouthei pleon ena reyma wste na mporei kapoios na krinei diaforetikes morfes ekfrashs mesa sta idia plaisia. H forma exei ousiastika katarghthei kai oi koinoi topoi apoteloyn thn ekseresh.
proswpika nomizw oti oxi stis teleytaies 100ethrides, alla POTE i texni den akolouthouse kapoio sygekrimeno (koino) reyma, k oti i forma pou anaferetai sto post tou Emperor den ypirxe pote. apla stin arxi ta pragmata itan pio sygekrimena en genei k akoma k oi morfes texnis den parousiazan tin poikillomorfia pou parousiazoun simera, gi'ayto k itan kapws eykoloteri i "sfairikoteri" thewrisi twn pragmatwn. i me alla logia, akoma k an thewrisoume oti arxika i texni vasizontan se "sygekrimena" pragmata, i apagistrwsi apo ayta ta "sygekrimena" tha itan to amesws epomeno logiko vima.
de kserw an ginomai antiliptos- alla anyway, leptomereis...:P

oson afora to simeio pou thigei o fols metaller amnesiac, thewrw oti oi sygriseis pou kanoume stis ekastote syzitiseis einai pragmatika anousies, giati panta o kathenas milaei apo diaforetiki vasi (ek twn pragmatwn ayto). twra to na sygrineis esy me ton eayto sou 2 pragmata einai kati pou ginetai oxi eykola, alla asyneidita tha elega, vasei twn synaisthimatwn pou kathe erethisma sou metadidei.

ayta twra akouw wolverine k ta spawwwwwww!!!!!!! \m/

The_Emperor

14-12-2003, 18:25

xairomai na diabazw tetoies apopseis san tvn kyriwn apo panw! :-)
prosopika oi listes me ta kalytera apla mou dinoun th dynatothta na dialeksw 5 h 10 album ta opoia protimo alla KYRIWS na dw poia album epeleksan oi alloi kai pithanon den ta exo proseksei wste na ta anazhthsw na ta akousw
kata ta alla kai aytes oi listes sthrizontai se kathara ypokeimenika krithria
px ebala fetos proto album to wolverine giati gia mena h prototypia ston hxo otan syndiazetai me to synaisthima einai ayto akribws pou thelw na akousw...etsi px protimhsa to wolverine apo to dead soul tribe epeidh to dead soul sfyzei men apo synaisthima alla sta dika mou aytia den akougetai to idio newteristiko oso to wolverine...Kai trito to theater to opoio einai aristo texnika alla theoro oti ypoleipetai se prototypia kai se synaisthima se sxesh me ta parapanw 2...
kapoios allos me alla krithria asfalws tha mporouse na topothethsei ta parapanw album me tous ypoloipous syndiasmous.

sxetika me ta reymata sthn texnh ayto to opoio gnorizo ki ego apo kapoia mathimata pou parakolouthisa alla kai to tonise kai o kyrios Peri einai oti diakrinoume apo thn arxaiothta kapoies entones kateythynseis oi opoies diarkoun gia megala xronika diasthmata dinonta mas th dynatothta na milame gia ena reyma. Gia na mhn ksekinhso apo ta arxaia xronia alla apo to mesaiwna einai emfanes oti katholh th diarkeia toy h texnh diakrinetai apo sygkekrimenh texnotropia kata topous, me thn ekklhsia na elegxei kai na kathorizei se megalo bathmo ta themata kai ta antikeimena poy paroysiazontai, epeita h annagenhsh, to mparok, to rokoko theorountai periodoi me safh perigrammata pou apodidontai kai sthn mousikh, kai th zografikh kai stis ypoloipes texnes, akomh kai sthn emfanish twn anthropwn...
Apo thn allh yparxei o antilogos gia to ti ginetai px sthn Afrikh h thn Asia kai edw pragmatika den exw apanthsh na dwsw...
Wstoso meta ton Neoklasikismo kai th Gallikh epanastash h opoia epanaprosdiorise polla pragmata kai apeleytherwse entelws ton anthropo apo ta stegana ta pragmata eginan pio xalara, an kai akomh kai sth diarkeia toy 18ou kai 19oy aiwna kaneis den mporei na amfisbhthsei thn entonh epidrash toy romantismou se kathe tomea...
Bebaia oso plhsiazoume thn epoxh mas ta reymata diadexontai olo pio grhgora to ena to allo enw pleon den mporoume kan na milhsoume gia reymata para gia diaforetikous tropous ekfrashs po oi "eidikoi" pasxizoun na katataksoun se kathgories kai eidh...
Ayta ta ...oliga!! :-)

Solo Carriera

14-12-2003, 18:55

mlkies, apla se mia syzitish den prokeitai na parw sovara apopseis apo atoma pou goustaroun mousikes pou thewrw aparadektes (kai antistrofws). Px posos me endiaferei h gnwmh twn troumetalladwn tou forum gia ena group pou goustarw H gia ena neo group pou psinomai na akousw. Apo tin allh an akouga ta idia logia apo ton kveld H ton amnesiac (kai genika apo atoma pou thewrw pws exoun ligo kalo gousto) isws ta lamvana ypopsin.

auta

PS: mallon eipa ta autonohta alla kati eprepe na pw kai gw...

{NightStalker}

15-12-2003, 00:14

*/me bows before The_Emperor*
Symfono apolyta.Oson afora gia to an oi sizitiseis einai anousies h oxi,mallon an tis therousame oloi anousies den tha yphrxe kai to forum.

BLiTzER

15-12-2003, 00:29

Mou dinete thn entyposh oti adynateite na katalavete ena poly aplo pragmataki pou tonizo apo thn arxh. Apo th mia yparxei h "mousikothta" (pianete to nohma :P) enos group/tragoudiou kai apo thn allh to gousto.

As paroume gia paradeigma mia mpanta me arties texnikes gnwseis, toys Dream Theater. synhthws akomh kai oi polemioi toys paradexontai oti einai megaloi paiktes kai h mousikh tous apaitei tromerh eksaskhsh kai douleia ths mpantas.

Dekto. Oute emena mou aresoun, alla einai poly kaloi organopaiktes.

Alla eimai sigouros oti tha yparxoun ki alloi pou tha toys theoroun pantelws adiaforous kai oti h texnikh toys den eksyphretei se tipota efoson oi syntheseis toys toys kourazoun.

Ki ayto dekto. Gi'ayton akrivos to logo de mou aresoun. Ara ANTIKEIMENIKA milame gia poly kalous organopaiktes (efoson kaneis den to amfisvhtei) me oxi poly kalh synthetikh ikanothta (efoson kapoioi thn amfisvhtoun).

apo thn allh pleyra mpantes oi opoies mporei na paizoun entelws aplh mousikh basismenh se ligosta akornta me skopo monaxa na grapsoun kapoia kommatia pou tha kolane sto mialo kai se "arpazoun" amesos mporei na theorountai pantelws baretes apo enan atherapeyto progressiva.

Dekto ki ayto. Alla ayto tous kanei kalyterous organopaiktes apo tous Theater? Safos kai oxi. Tous kanei mhpos kalyterous synthetes? Kai pali amfivallo, alla ok as valoume ena "isos".

Ola ayta ANTIKEIMENIKA. Mexri stigmhs den anakatepsa KATHOLOU ton paragonta "gousto".

To leo gia teleytaia fora.. mathete na ksexorizete ti einai MOUSIKH at its finest kai ti apla SAS ARESEI. Toso dyskolo einai? H leo toso akyra pragmata pou mono ego pisteyo? H den ta diatypono kala? Ouf :)

atom_smasher

15-12-2003, 01:23

kala ola auta pou lete...sxedon ola auta.pera apo ta empathh sxolia kapoiou,to super kauliariko gkomenaki pou xei to blitzer pws tha ginei na to gnwrisoume?bgalto.
apo kei kai pera xesttika gia thn antikeimenikothta.goustarw h oxi.-mono auto exei shmasia.

BLiTzER

15-12-2003, 02:07

lol kala oloi agamhtoi eimaste edo mesa? :PP

chris_boss

15-12-2003, 03:32

Wraia ola auta alla mi mou peite oti den uparxoun kai antikeimenika mege8i sti mousiki. Px mporei kaneis na pei oti protima na akouei Bryan Adams apo Jimi Hendrix. Alla den mporei na pei oti o BA anwteros apo JH. Ti istoria exei o enas kai ti o allos. Tespa bariemai, you get my point.

morphine

15-12-2003, 09:08

nai omws einai polu pi8ano autos pou protimaei ton Bryan Adams apo ton Jimi Hendrix na 8ewrei ontws anwtero ton Adams, afou sto katw katw auton akouei kai auton goustarei. Duh.

De nomizw oti mporei kaneis na genikeusei toso wste na vgalei mia "antikeimenikh" apopsh. Kai na poume oti "antikeimenika oi theater einai para polu kaloi mousikoi" px, 8a upar3ei estw kai enas pou 8a pei "emena de m'aresei opws paizoun, mou akougontai kouloi".

Kai kati pou mou hr8e twra panw se auta pou paleuei na pei o Bli][zER (aman auto to nick, pppffff) :P
Katalavainw ti 8eleis na peis ("mathete na ksexorizete ti einai MOUSIKH at its finest kai ti apla SAS ARESEI"), alla apo pou ki ws pou prepei oloi na 3eroun mousikh? Kai malista na 3eroun ola ta organa, etsi wste na katalavainoun an auto pou akoune einai MOUSIKA kalo h oxi?
Dhladh nta3ei.. exw kanei mousikh kapoia xronia kai paizw piano. An akousw kati me piano pou na einai *kalo* 8a to katalavw. Apo ki8ara den exw idea. Den 3erw pws paizetai auto to organo, den 3erw poso eukolo h duskolo einai na paizeis ki8ara. To idio me ta drums, to idio me to mpaso, to idio me opoiodhpote allo organo. Exeis thn entupwsh oti akougontas ena opoiodhpote metal sugkrothma 3erw an paizei kala h oxi? Den exw idea. Apla to akouw kai vlepw an mou aresei h oxi. Mono auto eimai se 8esh na krinw sthn telikh.

Vare8hka. Sumfwnw me emperor

BLiTzER

15-12-2003, 09:21

Katalavainw ti 8eleis na peis ("mathete na ksexorizete ti einai MOUSIKH at its finest kai ti apla SAS ARESEI"), alla apo pou ki ws pou prepei oloi na 3eroun mousikh? Kai malista na 3eroun ola ta organa, etsi wste na katalavainoun an auto pou akoune einai MOUSIKA kalo h oxi?

Um den eipe kaneis oti PREPEI na kseroun oloi apo mousikh. Apla opos katalavaineis h gnomh aytou pou gnorizei apo mousikh exei safos megalytero varos.

Ki ego den eimai o pleon spoudagmenos mousika, alla otan akouo kati, ksero pano-kato ti paizei o mousikos (eite prokeitai gia drums, eite gia ta perissotera egxorda). Toulaxiston ayta pou sinithizontai sth rock/metal. Ok apo piano den exo idea, an kai einai apo ta agaphmena mou organa.. opote exo prospathisei na paikso niotho entelos koulos. De nomizo oti einai toso dyskolo an asxolitheis esto elaxista.. na matheis ti hxo vgazei to kathe tympano px.

Dhladh nta3ei.. exw kanei mousikh kapoia xronia kai paizw piano. An akousw kati me piano pou na einai *kalo* 8a to katalavw. Apo ki8ara den exw idea. Den 3erw pws paizetai auto to organo, den 3erw poso eukolo h duskolo einai na paizeis ki8ara. To idio me ta drums, to idio me to mpaso, to idio me opoiodhpote allo organo. Exeis thn entupwsh oti akougontas ena opoiodhpote metal sugkrothma 3erw an paizei kala h oxi? Den exw idea. Apla to akouw kai vlepw an mou aresei h oxi. Mono auto eimai se 8esh na krinw sthn telikh.

Nai den eipe kaneis to antitheto. Alla otan niotheis oti den ksereis, tha vgeis na peis oti o tade einai apisteytos kitharistas? Ki an to kaneis, de tha dexteis th gnomh kapoiou pou gnorizei kai tha sou pei oti einai metrios? :)

morphine

15-12-2003, 09:54

Sigoura, alla de nomizw oti exei te8ei tetoio 8ema akoma :P

panakoimh8w

Amnesiac.

15-12-2003, 13:43

apo kei kai pera xesttika gia thn antikeimenikothta.goustarw h oxi.-mono auto exei shmasia.

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entaksei, symfwnoun oloi ypothetw sto oti "antikeimenika" kapoios kserei na paizei kithara kai kapoios allos oxi, i diafwnia mas egkeitai sto an prepei na mas endiaferei ayto to gegonos.

gia mena, MONO to feeling metraei.

marianna2525

15-12-2003, 14:33

gia mena, MONO to feeling metraei.

Συμφωνώ και επαυξάνω :)

Dragonlord

15-12-2003, 15:03

χμ ντάξει νομίζω πως είστε λίγο απόλυτοι.Πχ:χτες μου έδωσε ο sympo το bergtett των ulver.Δε μπορώ να πω πως είναι κακό,κάθε άλλο είναι πολύ ωραίο για έναν ανοιχτόμυαλο μπλάξτερ.Εγώ όμως δε νομίζω να το ξανακούσω.
Επίσης,μπορεί σε κάποια φάση να μου τη βαρέσει και να θέλω να ακούσω κάτι τέτοιο.Αυτό δε σημαίνει πως,ενώ τώρα είναι "κακό" album,τότε ξαφνικά θα γίνει "καλό".
Το ίδιο συνέβη με το τελευταίο borgir.Χμ είμαι σίγουρος πως δεν πολυακούτε κλασική μουσική,αυτό σημαίνει πως για σας όλα τα έργα κλασικής μουσικής είναι σκατά;Πιστεύω πως είστε απόλυτοι χωρίς λόγο.Στα λόγια όλοι καλοί είμαστε,αλλά μπορείτε στ'αλήθεια να πείτε πως σέβεστε σα συνθέτες το ίδιο τον Wagner και το ίδιο τον Τριαντάφυλλο;Αν υποθέσουμε δηλαδή πως δεν ακούτε τίποτα από τα δύο.

Amnesiac.

15-12-2003, 15:58

xmm den kserw an aytos o "sevasmos" ston wagner px exei kapoia idiaiteri simasia. entaksei, an mou peis ti protimw na akousw, wagner i triantafyllo, tha sou pw to prwto, alla praktika den exei kamia simasia giati se normal synthikes de tha akousw tpt apo ta dyo.
stin erwtisi "ti protimas na akouseis, tool i wagner?" tha sou pw tool fysika. kala kai agia osa exei prosferei o wagner ta opoia safws kai einai perissotera apo osa exoun prosferei oi tool, alla o "sevasmos" apo monos tou den einai ikanos na sou prosferei apolaysi.
me to na lew oti oi tool mou aresoun pio poly apo tous led zeppelin px den ennow oti oi led zeppelin einai skata, apla den einai gia mena. kala kanoun kai akoun led zeppelin aytoi pou akoun, exoun sovarous logous profanws kai sigoura an oi led zeppelin itan skata de tha eixan toso fanatiko kai megalo koino. apla egw de tha parw.
i kardia mou kanei tic tic tic tic tic toc (vl. frantic) me ti mousiki twn tool, oxi me ti mousiki twn led zeppelin. an sto mellon allaksei ayto, no problem.

Dragonlord

15-12-2003, 16:10

ε τα ίδια λες λοιπόν με τους υπόλοιπους.Δε νομίζω να λέει κανείς πως ό,τι θεωρεί καλό και αξιοσέβαστο το ακούει κιόλας.Έτσι κι εσύ λες πως είναι καλοί οι Led Zep (ok λες "δεν είναι σκατά",πάνω κάτω το ίδιο) αλλά πως δεν τους ακούς.Τώρα αν το κόλλημα είναι η λέξη "καλός",νομίζω πως είναι απλά αυτό,κόλλημα.[/list]