The holocaust.

[Retali-ator]

deite auto to video:

http://vho.org/dl/ENG/DavidColeatAuschwitz.wmv

einai 45mb file download, 1 ora kai kati diarkeia.
thelw gnomes, den pairnw thesi yper i kata.

[Dr. Death]

h istoria grafete mono ap th meria twn nikhtwn opote "skase kai kolympa"...xwris ayto na shmainei oti amfisbhtw to olokaytwma klp.

[Candiru]

κάντε μια σύντομη περίληψη περι τίνος πρόκειται, διότι δεν έχω καθόλου τόσο διαθέσιμο χρόνο. Υποθέτω είναι σχετικά με τις νεοναζιστικές παπαριές περί αμφισβήτησης του ολοκαυτώματος. Ομως η αλήθεια έιναι ότι τα "ολοκαυτώματα" της Δρέσδης, κλπ δεν πέρασαν από δίκες της Νυρεμβέργης, κλπ. Οντως η Ιστορία γράφεται από τους νικητές.

[Darkling]

Ισχυει. Ο Καντιρου εχει δικιο. Απλα ψαξτε ινφο για το βομβαρδισμο της Δρεσδης για να επιβεβαιωσετε.

[Retali-ator]

nai alla deite kai to video.axizei

[enitharmon]

το είδα. Και;

μαλώνουμε τώρα για το αν πέθαναν στους θαλάμους αερίων ή από την πείνα;

[Atheist]

Δρέσδη.

[UmbilicalResidue]

Ρίγα.

[Atheist]

Βούλα.

[enitharmon]

σκάστε τώρα όμως

[Atheist]

Κουφονήσια.

[Retali-ator]

μαλώνουμε τώρα για το αν πέθαναν στους θαλάμους αερίων ή από την πείνα;

vasika apla psaxoume na vroume pou akrivos steketai i alitheia.
opos tha eides sto video, arketoi mythoi exoun idi katarifthei apo tous meletites tou olokautomatos. Px ta "evraika sapounia" eno oloi mas ta exoume akousei, pleon kaneis meletitis den ypostirizei oti itan kati pou egine stin pragmatikotita. Meta ton polemo oi amerikanoi eixan gyrisei propagandistika video gia to pos exontonan kosmo oi germanoi me aeria, sto dachau. Kaneis omos simera den isxyrizetai pia oti to dachau itan stratopedo mazikis exontosis. Autoi einai merikoi mythoi pou exoun egkatalifthei apo olous tous meletites tou olokautomatos.
Mipos yparxoun kai alloi? Einai sigouro oti i istoria exei graftei apo tin pleura tou nikiti, dioti kaneis mas den gnorizei ti synevaine sta rossika stratopeda sygkentrosis...
Den exetazoun episis mono an pethanan apo peina i apo aeria, alla kai POSOI. Symfona me ta epixeirimata twn revisionists ta noumera boroun na meiothoun apo 6 ekatomyria se ligotero apo 1. Fysika kaneis den amfisvitei oti oi evraioi ontos dioxthikan kai kynigithikan, omos i diafora sto noumero einai megali (edw i Ellada eixe sxedon ena myrio thimata, kai na skeftei kaneis oti o hitler eixe epivalei poly eugeneis orous paradosis gia ton Elliniko strato giati "thaumase tin genaiotita tou".)

Amfisvititai omos to gegonos twn thalamwn aeriwn. Kai den nomizw oti einai kai ligo pragma.Ego prosopika pisteuw oti akoma kai an einai ontos 6 ekatomyria ta thimata, alla einai apo peina-arrosties kai oxi apo systimatiki xrisi thalamwn aeriwn, eimaste brosta se ena terastio psema. Giati oloi mas exoume akousei ametrites istories gia klivanous, thalamous aeriwn, zyklon b klp kai xiliades vivlia/tainies exoun graftei gi auto to thema. An den ypirxan ontos gas chambers, eimaste brosta se mia terastia viomixania paragogis propagandas.
Oi revisionists ypostirizoun oti den yparxei oute ena grapto ntokoumento pou na anaferetai se thalamous aeriwn. Kai i idia i prosopiki grammateas tou hitler, pou daktylografouse tis anakoinoseis tou kai itan apo ta pio kontina tou prosopa gia xronia, dilose stin synenteuxi tis prin kapoia xronia, oti den eixe idea oti synevainan ola auta.

Episis osoi ypostirizoun gia "neonazi paparologies" tha ekplagoun otan doun oti autos pou kanei tin synenteuxi dilonei oti exei kai tous 2 goneis evraious kai se olo to video foraei to kapelaki tou. Fysika einai iliou faeinoteron oti oi apopseis twn revisionists ginontai me enthousiasmo apodektes apo tous neonazi.

auta

[freak brother]

retali evraios eisai kai se noiazei toso?
h to allo to akatanomasto?
h apla to meletas apo istorikhs apopsews?
:p

[Retali-ator]

to 3o
sigoura den eimai tpt apo ta alla 2 pantos

giati omos oloi apofeugete na deite to video kai na sxoliasete oti eidate para prospatheite na kleisete to thema?

[freak brother]

to 3o
sigoura den eimai tpt apo ta alla 2 pantos

giati omos oloi apofeugete na deite to video kai na sxoliasete oti eidate para prospatheite na kleisete to thema?
giati mallon den mas endiaferei to thema

[Dr. Death]

egw to eida to video...alla de nomizw oti me synetara3e toso wste n alla3w gnwmh

[Candiru]

έχει τόσο σημασία για το αν πέθαναν απ΄αέρια ή από πείνα; Εγώ θα προτιμούσα να πεθάνω από αέριο παρά από όλο αυτό το βασανιστικό θάνατο: Οι φωτογραφίες με τα εκατοντάδες σκελετωμένα πτώματα και τους εκατοντάδες σκελετωμένους ζωντανούς νεκρούς είναι που μας έχουν συγκλονίσει πάνω απ΄' όλα και όχι τόσο οι μέθοδοι άμεσου θανάτου και η μετέπειτα χρήση των πτωμάτων.

καλύτερα ένα τρομερό τέλος παρά ένας τρόμος δίχως τέλος (Ναπολέων ή Ουέλλιγκτων, δεν θυμάμαι ποιός το είπε)

Μήπως ειναι μια προσπάθεια, πέρα από την τυχόν αποκατάσταση του ναζισμού να γίνουμε πιό ανεκτικοί σε σημερινά στρατόπεδα συγκέντρωσης; Μεταναστών; Ιρακινών; Παλαιστίνιων ίσως; (Μια και ο αφηγητής δηλώνει και εβραίος)

[Darkling]

:(

[Atheist]

Κάτω τα στρατόπεδα συγκέντρωσης αυτοκινήτων. Κάψτε τις μάντρες και τα parking.

[Estelle]

Kalo tha htane na kanete ligo parapanw research prin.


Holocaust Denial:
David Cole and Roger Garaudy

http://www.adl.org/poisoning_web/cole.asp

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Beyond the "revisionist" information posted at their Web sites, Holocaust deniers have demonstrated their extensive use of the Internet in responding to two events in 1998: the trial of Roger Garaudy and the "recantation" of David Cole.

In late 1997, a document entitled "David Cole: Monstrous Traitor" reportedly appeared on the Web site of the Jewish Defense League (JDL), a Jewish extremist group. The JDL's statement, attributed to Robert J. Newman, went far beyond criticizing Cole for denying the Holocaust, asserting in no uncertain terms that the JDL wished to "get rid" of him:

Don't you think it's time that we flush this rotten, sick individual down the toilet, where the rest of the waste lies? One less David Cole in the world will certainly not end Jew-hatred, but it will have removed a dangerous parasitic, disease-ridden bacteria from infesting society...An evil monster like this does not deserve to live on this earth.

At the document's close, the JDL offered a "monetary reward" for the location of David Cole, implying that it was prepared to take immediate, possibly violent, action.

Within a few months, a "Statement of David Cole" appeared on JDL's Web site, supposedly signed by Cole and notarized on January 5, 1998. In it, Cole renounced his Holocaust denial, explaining that he stopped expressing such beliefs in 1994. "During my four years as a denier, I was wracked with self-hate and loathing," he wrote. "The hate I had for myself I took out on my people." "The Nazis intended to kill all the Jews of Europe, and the final death toll of this attempted genocide was six million," Cole acknowledged. At the end of his "Statement," Cole claimed that it was "made freely and under no duress, and is quite willingly, even happily, given to Mr. Irv Rubin of the Jewish Defense League."

Unable to believe that one of their own would admit that the Holocaust is historical fact, numerous Holocaust deniers, from Bradley Smith and Ingrid Rimland to lesser-known figures on the Web and in Usenet newsgroups, complained that the JDL had forced Cole to recant.

Another cause c鬨bre among Holocaust deniers widely discussed on the Internet involved French Holocaust denier Roger Garaudy. On February 27, 1998, a French court found 84-year-old Garaudy guilty of violating a law that prohibits the questioning of crimes "against humanity." Also convicted for "racial defamation," he was fined 240,000 francs (roughly $40,000). These judgments stemmed from claims made in his 1995 book The Founding Myths of Israeli Politics, in which he denied that the Holocaust occurred, saying that Jews under Nazi control died of starvation and disease, not poison gas.

Significantly, Garaudy, a convert to Islam, received support during the trial from anti-Semitic Muslims in the Middle East. On January 19, 1998, about 70 Palestinian professors, journalists, and religious leaders protested in front of a French cultural center in support of Garaudy. The Islamic Human Rights Commission, an Iranian activist group, and Al-Khaleej, a United Arab Emirates newspaper, also defended Garaudy.

In their efforts to win support for Garaudy, both in the Middle East and elsewhere, Holocaust deniers employed the worldwide reach of the Internet to spread their message. During the trial, a Web site entitled Support Garaudy was created by the "Garaudy Support Committee." The site, which was registered in the Persian Gulf nation of Qatar, is available in Arabic and French as well as English, clearly indicating the deniers' desire to reach Arab and European readers. It portrays "Rajaa Garaudy" as an "international French Muslim thinker" who is "standing alone in the face of the Zionist arrogance." Support Garaudy links to Bradley Smith's CODOH Web site, where visitors can read the complete text of Garaudy's book.

Holocaust deniers used the Internet to update their supporters on the Garaudy case and voice their opinions about it. Support Garaudy and the CODOH Web site contained the text of, or links to, stories about the trial culled from newswires, and Ingrid Rimland's "Z-Gram" E-mail newsletter supplied breaking news on the topic. Additionally, Ernst Z?/A> used Rimland's "Z-Gram" to comment on the trial. "New inroads are being made in Revisionism in the Arab countries," he wrote. "Garaudy and his wife had been invited by the Egyptian Minister for Culture and Information to come to Egypt." In another "Z-Gram," Rimland wrote that Garaudy's conviction was "good news, because what do we have now in the Arab world? A dozen countries being notified the French are in the clutches of an enemy we share!"

[Candiru]

εκτός από ολοκαύτωμα εβραίων υπήρξε και ολοκαύτωμα ρομ και gay. Τα δύο τελευταια είναι τα πιο αγνοημένα, ειδικά των ρομ (τσιγγάνοι) το οποίο είχε και εγάλη έκταση στη χώρα μας.

[Retali-ator]

to http://www.adl.org/poisoning_web/cole.asp to eixa vrei

sketos livelos

[katwrimos]

to documentart pantos einai kako. An itan sovaro tha eperne tin apopsi sovaron istorikon, oxi dio mesaion ipalilon se ena mouseio sto aousvits. Siga to diskolo na fereis afta ta 2 anthropakia se diskoli thesi.