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SAS ETYXE POTE PROBLEM STA HERIA H GENIKOTERA
SAN PEHTIS MOUSIKOU ORGANOU?
KAI AN NAI POS TO ANTIMETOPISATE?
EGO PROSFATA ANENIPSA APO MIA TENONTITIDA STO XERI
LOGO EPANELIMENON PIRAMATON STO KOURDISMA TIS KITHARAS
(ALLAGH STHN ALLAGI H DIATOMI TON HORDON!!)KAI EPIDH ATHELA MOY AFKSISA THN PIESH STA DAXTILA ,TON HPIA KANONIKA
KAI PALI TO HERI MOU DEN EPANIRTHE 100%
SAS ETYXE KATI PAROMIO??
POS TO ANTIMETOPISATE ESEIS? EXETE KATI KALITERO NA PROTINETE ??
PEZETE KAI NIOTHETE TO HERI SAS NA TSIMPAEI H NA PRIZETAI??
TOTE EXETE PROBLEM KAI AN DEN TO DEITE SYNTOMA THA GINEI PIO XONTRO......
Witchkiller
12-09-2005, 21:24
Parathrise ton karpo tou Friedman.Aytos einai o swstos tropos na paizeis.
Prospathise na kounas mono to karpo kai oxi to mpratso.Otan kaneis askhseis mi plakwnesai amesws sth megisth taxhtyta pou mporeis na piaseis.Ksekina poly pio siga kana 10lepto gia na zestatheis................
Panoramix_Miraculix
12-09-2005, 21:25
mia fora phga gia prova kai ksekinisame na xwnoume astamathta 3 wres, kai den eixa kanei ka8olou zestama. otan teleiwsame to deksi mou xeri me ponouse poly stous mys apto karpo ws ton agkona. to antimetwpisa poly apla stamatwntas na paizw gia kapoio diasthma mexri na mou perasei, nomizw 1-2 vdomades.
The Charon
12-09-2005, 22:58
na pezetai se kanonikh 8esh , oxi 3aplwmenoi k opws na nai.
asxeta me thn ki8ara , na prospa8hte na mhn zorizete tous karpous px akoma sthn plhktrologhsh , oi karpoi prepei na einai se eu8eia xwris na gernoun h' na dhmiourgoun gwneia. egw paraligo na thn pa8w apo to kolo grafeio pou htan xamhlo kai pieza tous karpous na grapsw
phthoggon
13-09-2005, 00:13
Μπα. Η μόνη τενοντίτιδα που έπαθα ποτέ ήταν από το γράψιμο. Η στάση καρπού που σου μαθαίνει η κλασική κιθάρα rules.
SAS ETYXE POTE PROBLEM STA HERIA H GENIKOTERA
SAN PEHTIS MOUSIKOU ORGANOU?
KAI AN NAI POS TO ANTIMETOPISATE?
EGO PROSFATA ANENIPSA APO MIA TENONTITIDA STO XERI
LOGO EPANELIMENON PIRAMATON STO KOURDISMA TIS KITHARAS
(ALLAGH STHN ALLAGI H DIATOMI TON HORDON!!)KAI EPIDH ATHELA MOY AFKSISA THN PIESH STA DAXTILA ,TON HPIA KANONIKA
KAI PALI TO HERI MOU DEN EPANIRTHE 100%
SAS ETYXE KATI PAROMIO??
POS TO ANTIMETOPISATE ESEIS? EXETE KATI KALITERO NA PROTINETE ??
PEZETE KAI NIOTHETE TO HERI SAS NA TSIMPAEI H NA PRIZETAI??
TOTE EXETE PROBLEM KAI AN DEN TO DEITE SYNTOMA THA GINEI PIO XONTRO......
Περαστικά σου...
Το μόνο πράγμα που θα σου πουν όλοι, και οι γιατροί δηλαδή, είναι το εξής: αμέσως μόλις νιώσεις τσίμπημα ή μούδιασμα σταμάτα να παίζεις.
Επειδή μερικές φορές, το practice γίνεται αρκετά... χμμμ... physical, είναι κάτι σαν άθλημα μερικές φορές, έτσι πρέπει να το αντιμετωπίζεις. Να κάνεις ζέσταμα, σωστή "άθληση" και έπειτα αποθεραπεία... Το setup της κιθάρας φυσικά είναι πολύ σημαντικό, ειδικά στη περιοχή κοντά στο nut όπου δημιουργείται η πιο κλειστή γωνία στην καρπό.
Το πρώτο πράγμα που δημιουργεί πρόβλημα στον καρπό είναι η έλλειψη τεχνικής. Άμα δεν κρατάς σωστά την κιθάρα, αργά ή γρήγορα θα πονέσεις, αν όχι στον καρπό, τότε στις φάλαγγες των δακτύλων. Και το κακό ενισχύεται όταν κάποιος πιέσει τον εαυτό του και δεν κάνει το απλό πράγμα που λέω στην αρχή.
Το πως να αντιμετωπίσεις τώρα την όλη ιστορία... Εξαρτάται από το πρόβλημα. Μπορεί ο ορθοπεδικός να σου δίνει φάρμακα για να μην δημιουργηθεί φλεγμονή, μπορεί όμως να σου απαγορέψει ρητά να παίζεις. Το σίγουρο είναι ότι όσο λιγότερο πιέζεις τον καρπό σου τόσο πιο γρήγορα επανέρχεται.
h fash einai oti to provlima den synevei ston karpo kai esios eimai
ston 12 xrono pou pezo kithara kai gnorizo arketa kala gia to zestama kai gia thn sosth thesi.
ola synevisan otan dokimasa na allakso diatomi xordon (Ghs 13,58) prota se B kourdisma kai epita se C me idia diatomh .
Sto deutero h kithara evgaze apisteuto ogko alla htan disxristi
distixos me apotelesma na afksithei h piesh sta daxtila kai na thn patho stous myes pou einai akrivos pano apo ton karpo.
sygkekrimena se ena live to xeri mou petrose sthn kirioleksia
den mporousa na anoikso eukola oute thn palami mou .
eftixos me to pou synevei to atyxes diekopsa amesos kai episkeytika giatro
ekana 1 mhna pagotherapia kai eperna kati xapia kai den epeksa katholou.
meta ksekinisa allazontas thn diatomh se 11ares kai kourdisma C
kai meta siga siga ksanaksekinisa na meletao kathe mera
stin telikh eimai entaksi alla to katalaveno oti heri
exei allaksei simperifora apo tote.
The Good Son
13-09-2005, 10:46
Parathrise ton karpo tou Friedman.Aytos einai o swstos tropos na paizeis.Eleos. Kammia sxesh. O karpos tou friedman einai etsi epeidh aftos pou tou emathe kithara sthn hawaii htan biolisths, pou ton symboulepse na krataei thn pena oso to dynaton ginetai san do3ari.
To thema einai na kratas thn pena me deikth kai antixeira enw h palamh sxhmatizei gronthia se eytheia me to xeri. kai to clue na kounas panw katw mono ton karpo.
Twisted_Bassist
13-09-2005, 10:49
Parathrise ton karpo tou Friedman.Aytos einai o swstos tropos na paizeis.Eleos. Kammia sxesh. O karpos tou friedman einai etsi epeidh aftos pou tou emathe kithara sthn hawaii htan biolisths, pou ton symboulepse na krataei thn pena oso to dynaton ginetai san do3ari.
To thema einai na kratas thn pena me deikth kai antixeira enw h palamh sxhmatizei gronthia se eytheia me to xeri. kai to clue na kounas panw katw mono ton karpo.
eipe to VAI freak
To xeri thelei xwris plaka se gipso. Prwta eixa paei se enan giatro kai me ebale kai mena na kanw pagotherapies, na pasalibomai me alifes, ma pernw xapia alla arxidia boithisan. meta phga se enan xeirourgo gia athlites pou eixe idea apo tetoia pragmata kai mou to mastorepse kanokika. Mou to ebale mexri ton agkona kai to miso mpratso se gipso gia 14 meres. To thema einai oti meta tis 14 meres eprepe na to gymnasw ksana giati h mys kai oi tenontes eixan ginei gia ton peo. Tis ypoloipes 14 meres tis perasa me masaz, zesta mpania kai to xeri irthe kai egine perdiki. Poio kalo apo to aristero.
To provlima tis tenontitidas einai ontos poli pikra. Eixa arxisei na patheno mikroprovlimatakia sto mikro daxtilo tou aristerou mou xeriou, lgo polioris xrisis tou pliktrologiou (kai sigekrimena apistefta polla copy paste) kai poli meletis stin kithara. O daskalos mou, mou eipe oti to pao gia tenontitida kai mou sinestse na bazo ligo pago se mia petseta tiligmeno pano sto daxtilo 1-2 fores tin imera... To ekana kai den epaiksa katholou gia 3-4 meres kai perasan ola. To thema einai na to prolaveis stin arxi. Auto pou ekanes me to kourdisma itan kapos akreo... Den to piges siga siga gia na doseis kai sta xeria sou alla kai stin kithara kairo na to sinithisoun. Fantazomai omos ogo. O aderfos mou ebale 13res se mia Les Paul me active EMG 84-81 kai esperne.
epishs h aspirines kanoun kalo!!
vevaia rotiste ton giatro sas prota mhn mbo kamia filaka!!!
eidate ti epathe o allos apo thn krhth!!
Ghs 10,56 kai D kourdisma kai Ghs 11,56 me C kourdisma is the best me G panta roundwood!
se alles diatomes sauta ta kourdismata xaneis tonikotita kai myes!!!
The Good Son
14-09-2005, 13:23
Epishs kalo kai shmantiko tha htan na kanete askhseis sthn kithara. Oxi mono na paizete. San zestamataki px. Peran twn xrwmatikwn klimakwn, ths askhshs tarantoula (afth gamaei), tou anebasmatos ana enan tono kai kai kai, einai kalo na paizete thn armonikh minore se olh thn tastiera me diaforous tropous. Kathws einai mia klimaka pou kai tha sas beltiwsei, logw stou daktylismou ths, alla kai tha mathete na xrhsimopoieite mia gamath klimaka pou se mixolydiko tropo prosferei ena yperoxo anatolitiko feeling.
Ena epishs terastio lathos pou kanoun polloi kai ektos apo tenontitides kai malakies, xeiroterebei kai to pai3imo, einai to gegonos oti den proponeitai/xrhsimopoieitai to mikro daxtulaki. Oi perissoteroi xrhsimopoioun ton parameso instead pragma pou periorizei afenos kai afedyo otan pate na pai3ete me to mikro sas ponaei kai kollate.
@Tts:Agori mou kalo, pare mia 7xordh :P
Epishs kalo kai shmantiko tha htan na kanete askhseis sthn kithara. Oxi mono na paizete. San zestamataki px. Peran twn xrwmatikwn klimakwn, ths askhshs tarantoula (afth gamaei), tou anebasmatos ana enan tono kai kai kai, einai kalo na paizete thn armonikh minore se olh thn tastiera me diaforous tropous. Kathws einai mia klimaka pou kai tha sas beltiwsei, logw stou daktylismou ths, alla kai tha mathete na xrhsimopoieite mia gamath klimaka pou se mixolydiko tropo prosferei ena yperoxo anatolitiko feeling.
Ena epishs terastio lathos pou kanoun polloi kai ektos apo tenontitides kai malakies, xeiroterebei kai to pai3imo, einai to gegonos oti den proponeitai/xrhsimopoieitai to mikro daxtulaki. Oi perissoteroi xrhsimopoioun ton parameso instead pragma pou periorizei afenos kai afedyo otan pate na pai3ete me to mikro sas ponaei kai kollate.
@Tts:Agori mou kalo, pare mia 7xordh :P
thanks man gia ta tips :-)
ase pou ta peiramata ta ekopsa :-)
afou sothike to heri mou den exei alla peiramata!
Witchkiller
14-09-2005, 23:12
Parathrise ton karpo tou Friedman.Aytos einai o swstos tropos na paizeis.Eleos. Kammia sxesh.
Eeetsi............
pantws auto me thn klassikh alh8euei.
meta thn eksaskhsh se klassikh dn epa8a pote tenontitida sthn hlekrikh.(an k dn paizw polles wres,gia ta dedomena mou eprepe na me ponaei to xeri meta)
pantws auto me thn klassikh alh8euei.
meta thn eksaskhsh se klassikh dn epa8a pote tenontitida sthn hlekrikh.(an k dn paizw polles wres,gia ta dedomena mou eprepe na me ponaei to xeri meta)
re les?
thanks tha to dokimaso !
Meyaleleth
16-09-2005, 12:06
na ma8ete na pezete swsta alliws thn poutsisate.&-
symposium_lexotanil
16-09-2005, 14:07
γιατί η ΜΕΓΙΑΛΕΛΕΘ ξέρει.
The Good Son
16-09-2005, 15:58
meya tha me boh8hseis na mathw na paizw swsta to organo mou?
xHERETICx
25-10-2005, 03:25
Parathrise ton karpo tou Friedman.Aytos einai o swstos tropos na paizeis.Eleos. Kammia sxesh. O karpos tou friedman einai etsi epeidh aftos pou tou emathe kithara sthn hawaii htan biolisths, pou ton symboulepse na krataei thn pena oso to dynaton ginetai san do3ari.
To thema einai na kratas thn pena me deikth kai antixeira enw h palamh sxhmatizei gronthia se eytheia me to xeri. kai to clue na kounas panw katw mono ton karpo.
mhpws estiazeis se la8os xeri? gia to aristero xeri tou friedman de milaei?
blakeies ayta gia thn klassikh ki8ara. einai allo organo ousiastika. de milame gia anapty3h swsths texnikhs edw, alla gia to aytonohto tou oti an den ponas sthn klassikh, siga mhn poneseis sthn hlektrikh
eimai o king tou thread, afou exw tenontitida kai sta 2 xeria ayth th stigmh :gun: :roll: . to de3i apo to yperbolika mhxaniko death metal picking, se syndyasmo me ektaktes askhseis gia mia hxografhsh mpasou, enw to aristero apo th synexh enallagh topo8ethshs tou karpou sta leads (h hli8iothta tou na 8es na syndyazeis 2 anti8eta styl?). topo8etw ton karpo mou opws sthn klassikh ki8ara gia grhgora legatto kai allazw se jimi hendrix piasimo me ton antixeira na agkaliazei to mpratso gia na kanw entona bends kai vibrato. epeidh synexizw na paizw gia na mhn atrofhsei, de synerxetai edw kai mhnes kai ponaw synexws. an 8elete na pai3ete etsi, mh balete 13ares xordes toulaxisto
3erei kaneis ti na kanw gia na perasei?
I tenontitida einai ligo periergo pragma. Ousiastika opos kai oi mies otan tous kourazeis i tous kakometaxirizesai kanoun flegmoni. To kalitero pou exeis lipon na kaneis einai na adranopoiiseis ta mikrobia oste o organismos na prolavei na ta katapolemisei. Pare 2-3 pagakia kai tilikse ta se mia petseta, kai akoumpise ta ekei pou ponas. To krio tha adranopoiisei tin flegmoni kai o organismos sou tha kanei ta ipolipa. Prosexe min akoumpiseis ta pagakia pano sto derma sou xoris na ta exeis tiliksei stin petseta giati os gnoston o pagos keei to derma. Den eimai giatros apla sou metafero ta logia idikou opos mou ta periegrapse oste na katalavo ti paizei me tis tenoditides. Kalo tha itan na rotiseis kai esi kapoion giatro gia sigouria pantos. Elpizo na boithisa.
auti akrivos einai h methodos mazi me antiflegmonodi xapia!!!
meta apo auta eiste complet!!!
The Good Son
26-10-2005, 13:56
mhpws estiazeis se la8os xeri? gia to aristero xeri tou friedman de milaei?oups, tote nai.
blakeies ayta gia thn klassikh ki8ara. einai allo organo ousiastika. de milame gia anapty3h swsths texnikhs edw, alla gia to aytonohto tou oti an den ponas sthn klassikh, siga mhn poneseis sthn hlektrikhoxi, milame gia to aftonohto tou oti to maniki ths hlektrikhs einai toso, enw ths akoustikhs toooooooso. Opote mathainwntas na paizeis swsta kai kathara sthn klassikh, sthn hlektrikh trexeis, den einai thema den ponaw sta dyskola ara sta efkola tha eimai kalytera alla, mporw na paizw kathara kai a3ioprepws sta dyskola, ara sta efkola eimai master.
eimai o king tou thread, afou exw tenontitida kai sta 2 xeria ayth th stigmh
3erei kaneis ti na kanw gia na perasei?skepsou oti den exeis klassikh, agorase.
xHERETICx
01-11-2005, 00:45
oxi, milame gia to aftonohto tou oti to maniki ths hlektrikhs einai toso, enw ths akoustikhs toooooooso. Opote mathainwntas na paizeis swsta kai kathara sthn klassikh, sthn hlektrikh trexeis, den einai thema den ponaw sta dyskola ara sta efkola tha eimai kalytera alla, mporw na paizw kathara kai a3ioprepws sta dyskola, ara sta efkola eimai master.
mono pou den einai apla eykola kai dyskola, einai allo pragma. opote xaneis xrono pou 8a 3odeyes ma8ainontas texnikes sthn hlektrikh. kai epishs to topic einai tenontitida, opote einai eylogo giati eipa ayto pou eipa gia th mh-xrishmothta ths
skepsou oti den exeis klassikh, agorase.
me xeri ypo dialysh 8a arxisw na paizw klassikh? an to kefali mou htan etoimo na kopei, ti 8a mou edines? prioni? :rofl:
thanx X-Piral
The Good Son
01-11-2005, 01:01
les malakies, sorry :)
Prosopika prin apo live sinithizo na paizo ligo me tin klasiki mou i me to mpaso tou mpasista mou apla kai mono gia na aniksoun ligo parapano ta daxtila mou kai na exo tin psevdestisi oti stin ilektriki exo megaliteri anesi alla auto einai mono se epipedo eutopepithisis. Den nomizo oti exei kati to ousiastiko auto pera apo auti tin pevdestisi. Outos i allos kai sto odio ematha oti o tropos piasimatos alla kai paiksimatos anamesa se klasiki kai ilektriki diaferoun poli opote nomizo oti einai ligo atopo na les oti an paizeis kati stin klasiki stin ilektriki tha gamas. An paizeis sosta kai ta 2 organa tote den iparxoun polla perithoria sigrisis kai veltiosis tou paiksimatos stin ilektriki logo eksaskisis me tin klasiki. Ti na kaneis ena aristero xeri me megala anigmata an den exeis ftiaksei kalo kai sosto paiksimo sto deksi?
The Good Son
01-11-2005, 13:12
nai exeis dikio einai axrhsto, alla ti na kaneis kai ena koulo aristero xeri instead?
Dokimase to e3hs: stamata na paizeis klassikh gia kairo kai paize mono hlektrikh, meta molis 3anapiaseis klassikh, tha deis oti tha eisai sxetika "koulos" safthn.
Kai fysika otan leme "paizw klassikh gia na eimai kalos sthn hlektrikh", den enooume pairnw thn klassikh kai paizw 5es h to highway to hell. Ennooume pairnw klimakes, askhseis, arpeggios, trifwnes sygxordies kai jazz sygxordies me periploko piasimo kai tis paizw pentakathara sthn klassikh.
Kai telos den thelw, alla tha xrhsimopoihsw to paradeigma tou blackmore pou toso poly antipathw o opoios molis 3ekinhse tous blackmore's night se synentef3h tou shmeiwse thn diafora sto pai3imo tou kai thn "dyskolia" na epistrepsei sthn klassikh.
Polloi super gamatoi ki8aristes exoun piasei klassikh duo fores sth zwh tous.
katwrimos
02-11-2005, 13:16
Vasika mi mperdevete tin tenontitida me to piasimo ton myon.
To piasimo ton myon einai mikro provlima, apla stamatas na paizeis 2-3 meres kai pernaei. Genikos oi myes mporoun na antimetopistoun san myes athliti opos leei o foivos. Diladi na tous gymnazei kaneis kai eniote na tous "sproxnei" sta oria tous.
An niosete omos pono stus tenontes STAMATISTE AMESOS. Etsi kai anapyksei kaneis tenontitida tin exei poutsisei, paizei kai na min ksanapaiksei kithara pote tou. Tous tenontes DEN tous antimetopizoume san myes athliti, DEN tous sproxnoume pote sta oria kai stamatame ston paramikro pono stous tenontes!
Epidi den eimai giatros stamatao edo, an thelete rixte ena sfirigma ston dr death na postarei.
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