Revolution is the Opium of Intellectuals.

[UmbilicalResidue]

ντισκας.

[The Butcher]

koita ti skarfizontai oi anthrwpoi... :roll:

[Once_Emperor]

wraia tainia to lucky man

[Atheist]

Όχι. Η συζήτηση για revolution είναι.

[enitharmon]

το ήξερα ότι θα το κάνουνε μουνί

Umbilical, συμπλήρωσε το αρχικό θέμα, αλλιώς κλειδώνεται.

[UmbilicalResidue]

σδαφ, παιδάκια τι λετε, είναι η λέξη 'επανάσταση' μια εννοιολογική
αρλούμπα που υπάρχει μόνο για να χαριεντίζονται οι πανταχού
λόγιοι ή για να κα8οδηγούν αυτοί άλλα παιδάκια που δεν εχουν
καταλάβει χριστό τι παίζεται; ή η παραπάνω πρόταση είναι αλλος
ένας απλουστευτικός new age αφορισμός που ενδεχομένως να έχει
και αντιδραστικές, κονφορμιστικές βάσεις; ή κατι απο τα δύο;
ή κατι άλλο; ε; :P

[The Nerd]

To 1o...
tis epanastaseis tis kanei o laos

[enitharmon]

σδαφ, παιδάκια τι λετε, είναι η λέξη 'επανάσταση' μια εννοιολογική
αρλούμπα που υπάρχει μόνο για να χαριεντίζονται οι πανταχού
λόγιοι ή για να κα8οδηγούν αυτοί άλλα παιδάκια που δεν εχουν
καταλάβει χριστό τι παίζεται; ή η παραπάνω πρόταση είναι αλλος
ένας απλουστευτικός new age αφορισμός που ενδεχομένως να έχει
και αντιδραστικές, κονφορμιστικές βάσεις; ή κατι απο τα δύο;
ή κατι άλλο; ε; :P
δε φταίω γω αν όσοι μπαίνουν ερ βαριούνται και μαλακίζονται


Νερντ, σμπρώκστο κι άλλο

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[The Nerd]

σδαφ, παιδάκια τι λετε, είναι η λέξη 'επανάσταση' μια εννοιολογική
αρλούμπα που υπάρχει μόνο για να χαριεντίζονται οι πανταχού
λόγιοι ή για να κα8οδηγούν αυτοί άλλα παιδάκια που δεν εχουν
καταλάβει χριστό τι παίζεται; ή η παραπάνω πρόταση είναι αλλος
ένας απλουστευτικός new age αφορισμός που ενδεχομένως να έχει
και αντιδραστικές, κονφορμιστικές βάσεις; ή κατι απο τα δύο;
ή κατι άλλο; ε; :P
δε φταίω γω αν όσοι μπαίνουν ερ βαριούνται και μαλακίζονται


Νερντ, σμπρώκστο κι άλλο
:?:

[edit meta apo epilysh pare3hghshs me tis mod]

Tis epanastaseis (tis kanonikes, oxi tis e8noswthrioys) tis kanei o laos AKA einai kati to maziko (alliws xarakthrizontai stash opws h gallikh kommoyna toy 1870 kai akoloy8oyn ekteleseis). An kai mia epanastash gia na petyxei xreiazetai ideologiko ypova8ro (px 1917), to poly mpla mpla stoys gnwstoys "aristeroys" kykloys, apotelei mallon mia askhsh sth mataiothta. kleinontas, 2 epe3hghseis...

a) epanastash anaferomai ws th viaia allagh enos (synh8ws koinonikopolitikoy) status quo apo megalh merida toy laoy.

b) Proswpikh ektimhsh einai oi kykloi aytoi einai parasita toy parontos systhmatos kai h amoivh toys einai gia ayto, gia to na lene paparologies kai na 8ewritokologoyn olh thn wra dld to counter culture einai elegxomeno.

Ayta perilhptikha, perissotero flame se ligo

[Atheist]

Μαλάκες οκ. υπόκλιση. με μπερδέψατε. δεν ξέρω αν τη μαλακία που πέταξε ο νερντ την πέταξε στα σοβαρά ή για πλάκα, αν το τοπικ κάνει στα σοβαρά την ερώτηση και τι θα φάω σήμερα μαλάκα μπέρδεμα.

[UmbilicalResidue]

αχχαεεαχχαεαεχαχαχε σμπρωκστο κιεσυ λιγο και 8α τη βρουμε.

[enitharmon]

Νερντ, στηρίζομαι πάνω σου να σώσεις το τόπικ

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[The Nerd]

Νερντ, στηρίζομαι πάνω σου να σώσεις το τόπικ
An to dhlwseis, mporei na to swseis ...

Afiome8a eis Kyrion (Gabriel)

[UmbilicalResidue]

λελ, απλα πείτε καμια μλκια εκει πέρα να διαφωνήσομε.

[The Nerd]

http://www.neolaia.de/2opseis/DaneiaeeU/periodiko11/Eanaaeeuaeco/seite13-3.jpg

[Deggial]

Βασικά η έκφραση αυτή μάλλον σχετίζεται με την αντικατάσταση της θρησκείας ως κατά Μαρξ όπιο από τον κομμουνισμό, βασισμένη στο αντίστοιχο βιβλίο του Aron.

[enitharmon]

GABRIEEEEEEEEEEEEEL :shouting:

[Gabriel]

Tis epanastaseis (tis kanonikes, oxi tis e8noswthrioys) tis kanei o laos AKA einai kati to maziko (alliws xarakthrizontai stash opws h gallikh kommoyna toy 1870 kai akoloy8oyn ekteleseis). An kai mia epanastash gia na petyxei xreiazetai ideologiko ypova8ro (px 1917), to poly mpla mpla stoys gnwstoys "aristeroys" kykloys, apotelei mallon mia askhsh sth mataiothta. kleinontas, 2 epe3hghseis...

a) epanastash anaferomai ws th viaia allagh enos (synh8ws koinonikopolitikoy) status quo apo megalh merida toy laoy.

b) Proswpikh ektimhsh einai oi kykloi aytoi einai parasita toy parontos systhmatos kai h amoivh toys einai gia ayto, gia to na lene paparologies kai na 8ewritokologoyn olh thn wra dld to counter culture einai elegxomeno.

Ayta perilhptikha, perissotero flame se ligo

symfwnw se megalo bathmo me thn parapanw mein-kamf-izoysa thewrhsh twn laikwn epanastasewn, alla akoma den exw polykatalabei th zhta to thread na psaxoylespoyme.

edit: ektos apo to 'parasita', fysika, kai merika alla.

[The Nerd]

Tis epanastaseis (tis kanonikes, oxi tis e8noswthrioys) tis kanei o laos AKA einai kati to maziko (alliws xarakthrizontai stash opws h gallikh kommoyna toy 1870 kai akoloy8oyn ekteleseis). An kai mia epanastash gia na petyxei xreiazetai ideologiko ypova8ro (px 1917), to poly mpla mpla stoys gnwstoys "aristeroys" kykloys, apotelei mallon mia askhsh sth mataiothta. kleinontas, 2 epe3hghseis...

a) epanastash anaferomai ws th viaia allagh enos (synh8ws koinonikopolitikoy) status quo apo megalh merida toy laoy.

b) Proswpikh ektimhsh einai oi kykloi aytoi einai parasita toy parontos systhmatos kai h amoivh toys einai gia ayto, gia to na lene paparologies kai na 8ewritokologoyn olh thn wra dld to counter culture einai elegxomeno.

Ayta perilhptikha, perissotero flame se ligo

symfwnw se megalo bathmo me thn parapanw mein-kamf-izoysa thewrhsh twn laikwn epanastasewn, alla akoma den exw polykatalabei th zhta to thread na psaxoylespoyme.

edit: ektos apo to 'parasita', fysika, kai merika alla.

:?:

Giati, poios tis kanei tis epanastaseis? (se politiko plaisio milame panta)

[Gabriel]

den katalaba ti rwtas. to mein-kampf-izoysa einai apla anafora stis aytes apopseis gnwstoy germanoy politikoy hgeth opws ekfrazontai sto sxetiko syggrama. lew: symfwnw (se megalo bathmo). poia h aporia soy, akribws?

[The Nerd]

den katalaba ti rwtas. to mein-kampf-izoysa einai apla anafora stis aytes apopseis gnwstoy germanoy politikoy hgeth opws ekfrazontai sto sxetiko syggrama. lew: symfwnw (se megalo bathmo). poia h aporia soy, akribws?

H aporia moy einai giati les thn apopsh moy mein-kampfizoysa.

Pantws den to vlepw na proxwraei to topic :(

[Gabriel]

giati teleytaio meros poy eida ta akoloytha points:

"Tis epanastaseis (tis kanonikes, oxi tis e8noswthrioys) tis kanei o laos"

"An kai mia epanastash gia na petyxei xreiazetai ideologiko ypova8ro"

"o poly mpla mpla [...] apotelei mallon mia askhsh sth mataiothta."

htan ston mein kampf. eite einai symptwsh, eite apla taytish apopsewn, to eipa gi'ayto.

[The Nerd]

giati teleytaio meros poy eida ta akoloytha points:
"Tis epanastaseis (tis kanonikes, oxi tis e8noswthrioys) tis kanei o
laos"
Movie reference sto loyfa kai parallagh (h ataka toy 3enidh) :oops:
Oso gia to an tis epanastaseis tis kanei o laos, sto erwthma toy topic o laos tis kanei, faseis opws px h viomhxanikh epanastash den nomizw oti einai sxetikes me thn erwthsh toy thread starter.

"An kai mia epanastash gia na petyxei xreiazetai ideologiko ypova8ro"
Ws meso ;)


"o poly mpla mpla [...] apotelei mallon mia askhsh sth mataiothta."

Ela re, mhn moy peis oti merida ths "aristerhs dianohshs" aynanizetai analyontas to tipota (san to ER mia fash ) enw 8a mporoyse na paragei pio sovaro politiko logo.


htan ston mein kampf. eite einai symptwsh, eite apla taytish apopsewn, to eipa gi'ayto.

Symptwsh? :shock:

[Gabriel]

"o poly mpla mpla [...] apotelei mallon mia askhsh sth mataiothta."

Ela re, mhn moy peis oti merida ths "aristerhs dianohshs" aynanizetai analyontas to tipota (san to ER mia fash ) enw 8a mporoyse na paragei pio sovaro politiko logo.

edw h parathrhsh poy nomiza oti ekanes einai diaforetikh. nomiza oti me to "mataio" ennooyses kathe politiko logo en elleipsei laikhs antidrashs. ayth einai h apopsh toy adolf oson afora tis popular epanastaseis kai ayth einai kai h dikh moy. to mpla-mpla se kapoia themata mporei na kataferei so much. kai h epanastash sto context poy thn orises einai ena apo ayta.

[XD]

Mathe prwta na ektimas ton Tse kai meta
ela na milisoume gia epanastaseis filaraki.

[UmbilicalResidue]

σε μένα παει αυτό;

[Weiss]

χαχαχΑΧΑΧΑ είναι πολύ αστεία η απάντηση του Umblical με αυτό το avatar.

[Acid Baby]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Kingdom Gone]

giati teleytaio meros poy eida ta akoloytha points:
"Tis epanastaseis (tis kanonikes, oxi tis e8noswthrioys) tis kanei o
laos"
Movie reference sto loyfa kai parallagh (h ataka toy 3enidh) :oops:


:thumbsup:

tin evlepa pali proxthes k eixa liwsei

"ti egine re?"
"e kana praksikophma tha kanane pali"

[eyeamflesch]

Stupidity thus results both from and in perceptual limits on learning which prevent a system from recognizing its own intrinsic limitations. A new idea is not judged objectively by an independent standard but is regarded primarily as a challenge to the prevailing ego/social system. This is an emotionally based, usually subconscious reaction. Only secondarily can the cognitive content of new information be processed consciously on something like its own merits.

When pondering the passing of many great human institutions down through the ages, one must conclude that most failed to adapt to changing conditions. What is not so obvious is that the new conditions were often produced by the institutions themselves. Turnover of organizations is inherent in the human conditions in that a schema tends to limit values to those appropriate to the circumstances present when it developed. These values sustain the status quo by preventing recognition of problems created by the impact of the institution on its environment. This perceptual failure occurs concurrently with the general schematic restriction on the development of any novel modes of thought or behavior. Indeed, one of the sad ironies of life is that most innovators must fight the system in order to improve it. Very few organizations encourage excellence, so most transcendent achievements first had to overcome entrenched opposition from the establishment.

[The Nerd]

Stupidity thus results both from and in perceptual limits on learning which prevent a system from recognizing its own intrinsic limitations. A new idea is not judged objectively by an independent standard but is regarded primarily as a challenge to the prevailing ego/social system. This is an emotionally based, usually subconscious reaction. Only secondarily can the cognitive content of new information be processed consciously on something like its own merits.

When pondering the passing of many great human institutions down through the ages, one must conclude that most failed to adapt to changing conditions. What is not so obvious is that the new conditions were often produced by the institutions themselves. Turnover of organizations is inherent in the human conditions in that a schema tends to limit values to those appropriate to the circumstances present when it developed. These values sustain the status quo by preventing recognition of problems created by the impact of the institution on its environment. This perceptual failure occurs concurrently with the general schematic restriction on the development of any novel modes of thought or behavior. Indeed, one of the sad ironies of life is that most innovators must fight the system in order to improve it. Very few organizations encourage excellence, so most transcendent achievements first had to overcome entrenched opposition from the establishment.

http://forum.electricrequiem.com/viewtopic.php?t=11621

[eyeamflesch]

haehaehaea, FLWRE.

[The Nerd]

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(pare na exeis ena gia ka8e mera poy 8a leipw)

[eyeamflesch]

OMG, 110 DAYS OF ER W/OUT THE NERD!?!?!

[OrioN]

b) Proswpikh ektimhsh einai oi kykloi aytoi einai parasita toy parontos systhmatos kai h amoivh toys einai gia ayto, gia to na lene paparologies kai na 8ewritokologoyn olh thn wra dld to counter culture einai elegxomeno.



Hello, Neo.
Neo:
Who are you?
Architect:
I am the Architect. I created the Matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and though the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.
Neo:
Why am I here?
Architect:
Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which, despite my sincerest efforts, I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably... here.
Neo:
You haven't answered my question.
Architect:
Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.
TV Neos:
Others? How many others? What others? Answer my question!
Architect:
The Matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the 6th version.
TV Neos:
5 `One's before me? 4 3 2 What are you talking about?
Neo:
There are only two possible explanations, either no one told me, or no one knows.
Architect:
Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly is systemic - creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.
TV Neos:
You can't control me! I'm gonna smash you to bits! I'll fuckin' kill you!
Neo:
Choice. The problem is choice.
Architect:
The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art - flawless, sublime. A triumph equalled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus, I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your
nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another - an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the
matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.
Neo:
The Oracle.
Architect:
Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99% of all test subjects accepted the program,
as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer
functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left
unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would
constitute an escalating probablility of disaster.
Neo:
This is about Zion.
Architect:
You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed - its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence
eradicated.
Neo:
Bullshit.
TV Neos:
Bullshit!
Architect:
Denial is the most predictable of all human responses, but rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.
Architect:
The function of the One is now to return to the Source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which, you will be required to select from the Matrix 23 individuals - 16 female, 7 male - to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash, killing everyone connected to the Matrix, which, coupled with the extermination of Zion, will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.
Neo:
You won't let it happen. You can't. You need human beings to survive.
Architect:
There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility of the death of every human being on this world. It is interesting, reading your reactions. Your 5 predecessors were, by design, based on a similar predication - a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a rofound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the One. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific - vis a vis love.
Neo:
Trinity.
Architect:
Apropos, she entered the Matrix to save your life, at the cost of her own.
Neo:
No.
Architect:
Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the Source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to your left leads back to the Matrix, to her and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you are going to do, don't we? Already, I can see the chain reaction - the chemical precursors that signal the onset of an emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic and reason - an emotion that is already blinding you from the simple and obvious truth. She is going to die, and there is nothing you can do to stop it.
Architect:
Hope. It is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength and your greatest
weakness.

[cancer]

RE LETHARGICA??
GAMW TO KERATO DLD.

[Deggial]

Ick, a zombie thread.

Από απορία, που την είχα και τότε, Umbili, το thread το έκανες εν γνώσει της προελεύσεως της φράσης (που βγάζει και όλες τις απαντήσεις περί επαναστάσεως off topic) ή απλά βρήκες την έκφραση catchy για να μιλήσουμε για επαναστάσεις και δε ξέρω κι εγώ τι άλλο;

[UmbilicalResidue]

όλα τα κορίτσια έχουν ενα μυστικό.

[FIXXXER]

Eixes gennithei otan vgike auto to tragoudi???