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The Nerd
22-05-2005, 23:18
Gia peite

viva_emptiness
22-05-2005, 23:22
koita ta pm sou

Tonosalata
22-05-2005, 23:23
tsampoukash

silencerius
22-05-2005, 23:23
oxi.

Ki epeidh esi gnwrises kapoia atoma ta opoia den ta pas kai sou exoun bgalei mia alfa eikona, de simainei pws mporeis na krineis olokliro lao.

Exw zisei Kypro kai exw "zisei" tin nootropia tous apo konta.
Fysika opws pantou, etsi kai stin Kypro yparxoun malakes. Kai gia edw isxyei. Se pliroforw pws oi xeiroteroi mas einai 10 fores pio kafroi apo tous xeiroterous Kyprious.

Kai oson afora stin erwtisi sou sto thread tis eurovision: Idio ethnos. Kathws kai polla alla.

The Nerd
22-05-2005, 23:34
Loipon..opos yparxoyn kathisterimenoi kai komplexikoi Ellines etsi yparxoyn kai kathisterimenoi kai komplexikoi Kyprioi, to paradexomai. Apla einai i katagogi moy kai i oikogeneia moy apo kei. Den exo apolitos tpt kai me toys Ellliens giati i alli misi katagogi moy einai apo Ellada kai malista [snip, den xreiazetai na ta diavazoyn oloi]
Yparxei pisteuo apla poly prokatalipsi kai pao tis dyo pleyres.

An kai kala ta les, to laisser-fais (etsi den grafete?) den apantaei sto erwthma moy to opoio einai "prosferei h ellada ws e8nos kai laos apeires fores perissotera apo oti prosferei h kypros sthn ellada"?


oxi.

Ki epeidh esi gnwrises kapoia atoma ta opoia den ta pas kai sou exoun bgalei mia alfa eikona, de simainei pws mporeis na krineis olokliro lao.

Exw zisei Kypro kai exw "zisei" tin nootropia tous apo konta.
Fysika opws pantou, etsi kai stin Kypro yparxoun malakes. Kai gia edw isxyei. Se pliroforw pws oi xeiroteroi mas einai 10 fores pio kafroi apo tous xeiroterous Kyprious.

Kai oson afora stin erwtisi sou sto thread tis eurovision: Idio ethnos. Kathws kai polla alla.

Loipon, afhnontas ta atoma poy exw gnwrisei egw, (ena palhkaraki kyprios apo ta kala paidia kai NAI milage ellhnikae ipe dinontas sas to avantaz oti "kyprioi ths agglias einai, malakes einai opws kai oi ellhnes ths agglias"), h xwra moy, sthn opoia forologoymai, plhrwnei ena skasmo lefta gia sas, sas vazoyme sto panepisthmio free (deite 8emata kypriws foithtwn na gelate 3 meres, eidika osoi prolavate desmes). Eseis, ti prosferete?

Oso gia e8nos ktl, re silencirius sorry kiolas alla e8nos einai
koina fyletika xarakthristika - Oi kyprioi einai toyrkofatses sthn pleiopshfia toys, an se enoxlei o xarakthrismos, vale opoy toyrko -asiato
Glwssa - poy den einai h idia
kai panw apo ola
POLITISMOS, poy aytos kai ama den einai o idios.
ayta perilhptika.

viva_emptiness
22-05-2005, 23:49
Glwssa - poy den einai h idia



Oso thimamai kai apo to panepistimio poy eixe eipothei i glossa exei polla stoixeia parmena apo ton Omiro, i vasi einai idia.
Oi fatses einai pantoy diaforetikes akoma kai stin Ellada apo perioxi se perioxi(ligo atopo ayto poy eipes)

The Nerd
22-05-2005, 23:51
Glwssa - poy den einai h idia



Oso thimamai kai apo to panepistimio poy eixe eipothei i glossa exei polla stoixeia parmena apo ton Omiro, i vasi einai idia.
Oi fatses einai pantoy diaforetikes akoma kai stin Ellada apo perioxi se perioxi(ligo atopo ayto poy eipes)

Swsto gia to fatses.
To mpezenvegkhs poy akrivws to leei o omhros?

viva_emptiness
22-05-2005, 23:52
xaxaxa vlepo xereis kai tis katalliles lexeis :D :P

Medusa
22-05-2005, 23:53
An kai kala ta les, to laisser-fais (etsi den grafete?) den apantaei sto erwthma moy to opoio einai "prosferei h ellada ws e8nos kai laos apeires fores perissotera apo oti prosferei h kypros sthn ellada"?

Λoipon, afhnontas ta atoma poy exw gnwrisei egw, (ena palhkaraki kyprios apo ta kala paidia kai NAI milage ellhnikae ipe dinontas sas to avantaz oti "kyprioi ths agglias einai, malakes einai opws kai oi ellhnes ths agglias"), h xwra moy, sthn opoia forologoymai, plhrwnei ena skasmo lefta gia sas, sas vazoyme sto panepisthmio free (deite 8emata kypriws foithtwn na gelate 3 meres, eidika osoi prolavate desmes). Eseis, ti prosferete?.

Αληθές.


Oso gia e8nos ktl, re silencirius sorry kiolas alla e8nos einai koina fyletika xarakthristika - Oi kyprioi einai toyrkofatses sthn pleiopshfia toys, an se enoxlei o xarakthrismos, vale opoy toyrko -asiato
Glwssa - poy den einai h idia
kai panw apo ola
POLITISMOS, poy aytos kai ama den einai o idios.
ayta perilhptika.

χμ. yperballeis. toyrkofatses einai pantou edw gyrw sthn ellada.
h glwssa einai idia me ameses anafores sthn arxaia ellhnikh. mh leme kai o,ti 8eloume. gia paradeigma h katalhksh -ousi sto trito plh8yntiko. Px o Kyprios 8a pei "paizousi" opws kai o Omhros, o Platwn, o 8oykididhs, enw esy oxi.
"politismos"? ti parapanw ennoeis edw sygkekrimena?
dieykrinise.

The Nerd
22-05-2005, 23:53
Exoyn agglopoih8ei

silencerius
22-05-2005, 23:59
1on: Elladitis eimai pou apla exw zisei Kypro ki exw katagwgh apo kei. An kai thewrw kai tin Kypro patrida mou - apla milaw gia to thema tis nootropias.

2on) H Kypriaki glwssa den einai diaforetiki apo tin Elliniki (h Elladitiki). Isa isa pou fernei poly perissotero stin arxaioelliniki.
H profora einai kapws periergi kai gi'auto mporei na min ginetai katanoiti apo kapoion pou den kserei.
Ektos autou, logw twn apeirwn katoxwn pou eixe h Kypros ana periodous kapoies lekseis stin glwssa exoun yiothetithei, opws einai fisiko. Auto simbainei pantou, akoma kai sta Ellhnika.
Episis, ta Pontiaka einai ena idiwma poly pio diaforetiko apo ta Ellhnika apo oti ta Kypriaka.
Btw exw akousei kai Kritiko pappou "petsaka" na milaei Kritika barbata kai den katalaba leksh, auto ti simainei dhladh?

Oson afora ta filetika xaraktiristika epitrepse mou na mi to sxoliasw, giati parapempei se epimiksies metaksi lawn, pragma pou den isxyei.
Pantws kai oi Elladites stin pleiopsifia tous melampsoi einai. Ti tha pei auto?

Oson afora ton politismo den mporw na katalabw ti ennoeis. Pou blepeis tin tragiki diafora?
Oloi oi Kyprioi pairnoun ellhnikh morfwsh.
Sta sxoleia tous exoun ellhnika biblia (malista polla apo auta einai ta idia me auta twn ellinikwn sxoleiwn). Didaskontai ellhnika dokimia, ellinikh logotexnia, poihsh, istoria kai milane panta elladitika.
Akoune tin idia mousiki me mas. Diabazoun ta idia biblia.
Exoun ton idio ethniko ymno, exoun tis idies ethnikes epeteious (kai alles fisika parmenes apo tin istoria tou idiou tou nisiou), idia "episimi" thriskeia, diaskedazoun me ton idio tropo, exoun tin idia kouzina me mas.
edit: kai ta idia ithi kai ethima

H monh diafora pou mporw na brw einai stin nootropia (pou proswpika pisteuw oti einai poly kalyterh apo tin dikh mas).

Oson afora stin apopsh tou oikonomikou den nomizw na exeis dikio. H Kypros exei mia arketa isxyrh oikonomia. Ektos apo kapoia eksoplistika pou dinoume sthn Kypro kata kairous, dwse mou alla paradeigmata opou skame ekei lefta.

Oson afora sta panepistimia exeis dikio, dinoume to 7% twn thesewn mas sta AEI kai ta TEI. Kai kala kanoume.

telos:


8emata kypriws foithtwn na gelate 3 meres, eidika osoi prolavate desmes

auto kanto ligo pio liana giati den to piasa

silencerius
23-05-2005, 00:00
Exoyn agglopoih8ei

allo politismos, allo nootropia.

nai exoun parei agglika stoixeia stin nootropia tous.
kai se sindiasmo me tin elliniki se pliroforw exei bgei ena wraio apotelesma.

den simainei omws oti einai diaforetiko ethnos!

viva_emptiness
23-05-2005, 00:03
8emata kypriws foithtwn na gelate 3 meres, eidika osoi prolavate desmes

auto kanto ligo pio liana giati den to piasa[/quote]

Exo polla themata ti provlima exoyn ..gia exigise..
Na do an mporei me tin elliniki nootropia ena paidi apo do apo tin ellada natapantisei ikanopiitika.

silencerius
23-05-2005, 00:05
8emata kypriws foithtwn na gelate 3 meres, eidika osoi prolavate desmes

auto kanto ligo pio liana giati den to piasa[/quote:177nhq9o]

Exo polla themata ti provlima exoyn ..gia exigise..
Na do an mporei me tin elliniki nootropia ena paidi apo do apo tin ellada natapantisei ikanopiitika.

An ennoei ta themata twn eisagwgikwn eksetasewn gia ta panepistimia, den yparxei periptwsh. O bathmos diskolias einai POLY megaliteros stis Kypriakes eksetaseis.
Apla dinoun ligotera mathimata.

The Nerd
23-05-2005, 00:06
8emata kypriws foithtwn na gelate 3 meres, eidika osoi prolavate desmes

auto kanto ligo pio liana giati den to piasa[/quote:1d5xdb83]

Exo polla themata ti provlima exoyn ..gia exigise..
Na do an mporei me tin elliniki nootropia ena paidi apo do apo tin ellada natapantisei ikanopiitika.

1hs desmhs ta 8emata htan 2 skales pio katw apo ta antistoixa ellhnika. Gwnstos edw perase Polytexneio, sto opoio den phge giati h3ere oti den thn paleye kai oyte to aggliko uni evgale.

Gia alles desmes den 3erw, gia 1h htan safws pio eykola ta pragmata

Medusa
23-05-2005, 00:07
Oson afora stin apopsh tou oikonomikou den nomizw na exeis dikio

h Kypros einai to plynthrio ths Eyrwphs, to xrhma poy kseplenetai ekei, den einai dynato na 3eply8ei poy8ena allou.

enitharmon
23-05-2005, 00:08
To mpezenvegkhs poy akrivws to leei o omhros?
το μπεζεβένκης είναι τούρκικο και το λένε και στη βόρειο Ελλάδα, οπότε βρες άλλη λέξη

The Nerd
23-05-2005, 00:09
Na pw thn klassikh antidiastolh Krhths - Kyproy?
Na pw gia ta agglika - RWSSIKA stis aerogrammes?
Na pw gia th rwssikh mafia?
Na pw gia to gegonos oti to 1974 egine apovash me elaxistes apwleies?

H na mhn ta pw?

Medusa
23-05-2005, 00:11
tourkikes lekseis exoun pareisfrysei pantou sthn elladitikh glwssa, poso mallon sthn kypriakh dialexto, otan oi ellhnokyprioi symbiwnan me tous tourkous mexri kai merikes dekaties prin.

The Nerd
23-05-2005, 00:11
tourkikes lekseis exoun pareisfrysei pantou sthn elladitikh glwssa, poso mallon sthn kypriakh dialexto, otan oi ellhnokyprioi symbiwnan me tous tourkous mexri kai merikes dekaties prin.

Symviwnan opws to 1963?

Medusa
23-05-2005, 00:12
Na pw thn klassikh antidiastolh Krhths - Kyproy?
Na pw gia ta agglika - RWSSIKA stis aerogrammes?
Na pw gia th rwssikh mafia?
Na pw gia to gegonos oti to 1974 egine apovash me elaxistes apwleies?

H na mhn ta pw?

pes thn na thn akousoume h dwse link gia kapoia prohgoumenh 8esh sou na diabasoyme gia to epixeirhma sou ayto.

silencerius
23-05-2005, 00:14
pesta alla prwta mpes ston kopo na diabaseis auta pou egrapsa.

Medusa
23-05-2005, 00:14
tourkikes lekseis exoun pareisfrysei pantou sthn elladitikh glwssa, poso mallon sthn kypriakh dialexto, otan oi ellhnokyprioi symbiwnan me tous tourkous mexri kai merikes dekaties prin.

Symviwnan opws to 1963?
zousan mazi se koinothtes gia aiwnes, eite mas aresei eite oxi. ta gegonota poy pyrodotousan tis asxhmes katastaseis einai allo 8ema, den exei na kanei tpt me ayta.

dhladh ti na peis gia tous kwnstantinoypolites?

enitharmon
23-05-2005, 00:15
Oson afora sta panepistimia exeis dikio, dinoume to 7% twn thesewn mas sta AEI kai ta TEI. Kai kala kanoume.
γιατί καλά κάνουμε;

The Nerd
23-05-2005, 00:18
Oson afora sta panepistimia exeis dikio, dinoume to 7% twn thesewn mas sta AEI kai ta TEI. Kai kala kanoume.
γιατί καλά κάνουμε;

GIATI OI KYPRIOI IENAI ELLHNES PAROTI EXOYN AGGLIKH NOOTROPIA H STOIXEIA AYTHS KAI AMA DEN TOYS VALOYME STH XWRA MAS TSAMPA 8A PANE NA GINOYN KAKOI TOYRKOI KAI AKOMA PIO KAKOI AGGLOI KAI 8A MPOYNE NA MAS GAMHSOYN TIS ADERFES KAI TIS MANADES.

@SILENCIRIUS: diavazw poly prosextika ta osa les
@Medusa: Perimenete na vrw phges

Medusa
23-05-2005, 00:18
gia na pw thn alh8eia, oute kai egw exw katalabei.
kai genikotera to epipedo twn kypriwn foithtwn einai poly xamhlo. toulaxiston sthn epoxh moy prin 4 xronia.
kai den nomizw oti edeixnan kamia eygnwmosynh sto ellhniko kratos.

silencerius
23-05-2005, 00:19
Dioti kata thn apopsh mou einai enas tropos na mi xanoume epafh oi dyo pleures kai na diatiroume akribws auton ton idio politismo pou exoume.
Opws kai gia allous oikonomikous logous.

The Nerd
23-05-2005, 00:19
gia na pw thn alh8eia, oute kai egw exw katalabei.
kai genikotera to epipedo twn kypriwn foithtwn einai poly xamhlo. toulaxiston sthn epoxh moy prin 4 xronia.
kai den nomizw oti edeixnan kamia eygnwmosynh sto ellhniko kratos.

viva_emptiness
23-05-2005, 00:22
eleos eleos
ayto enno otan leo komplexikoi ellines.
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silencerius
23-05-2005, 00:23
gia na pw thn alh8eia, oute kai egw exw katalabei.
kai genikotera to epipedo twn kypriwn foithtwn einai poly xamhlo. toulaxiston sthn epoxh moy prin 4 xronia.
kai den nomizw oti edeixnan kamia eygnwmosynh sto ellhniko kratos.

dhladh ti na kanoune na pane stin bouli na proskinane kai na lene euxaristoume gia tis theseis?

oson afora to epipedo twn foititwn den blepw pou kollaei me to olo thema, alla an theleis mporeis na entrifiseis epi autou kai na analiseis apo pou bgazeis to simperasma

Medusa
23-05-2005, 00:25
ayto einai alh8eia poy ypogrammises, alla kai o silencerius exei dikio.

pantws prepei na poyme oti kai ta kypriaka panepisthmia einai anoixta gia tous ellhnes ma8htes. toulaxiston sthn epoxh moy htan epilogh sto mhxanografiko. to gegonos oti aytoi einai 600.000 kai emeis 10 mil. e, opwsdhpote den sou epitrepei na kaneis megales sygkriseis.

ellhnes foithtes omws spoudazoun Leykwsia kai na mhn to parablepsoume. bebaia, den kserw ti sxoles einai aytes. pantws sthn trith desmh eixame epilogh "toyrkikwn spoydwn" (xwris sxolio).

The Nerd
23-05-2005, 00:26
eleos eleos
ayto enno otan leo komplexikoi ellines.
<[list=1]>

Pes loipon ti prosferei h kypros sthn ellada

viva_emptiness
23-05-2005, 00:29
Meta apo ean polemo poy dioxtikane apo ta spitia toys
stathikane sta podia toys
xtisane ta spitakia toys(spitarones) me diko toys kopo
to ekpaideytiko toys systyma einai safos pio organomeno APo to elliniko esto kai an agglofernei leitoyrgei omos opos kai polla alla
Kai stin teliki an skeftomaste me ti logiki giati toys dinoyme theseis sta panepistimia mas stin Ellada
oi Aggloi giati na dexontai ta Ellinakia sta panepistimia toys?

Papste epiteloys me aytes tis komplexikes idees kai anaferomai kai stis dyo pleyres.

Medusa
23-05-2005, 00:30
gia na pw thn alh8eia, oute kai egw exw katalabei.
kai genikotera to epipedo twn kypriwn foithtwn einai poly xamhlo. toulaxiston sthn epoxh moy prin 4 xronia.
kai den nomizw oti edeixnan kamia eygnwmosynh sto ellhniko kratos.

dhladh ti na kanoune na pane stin bouli na proskinane kai na lene euxaristoume gia tis theseis?

oson afora to epipedo twn foititwn den blepw pou kollaei me to olo thema, alla an theleis mporeis na entrifiseis epi autou kai na analiseis apo pou bgazeis to simperasma

sth 8essalonikh sthn opoia spoudaza 4 xronia, eixa pragmati thn tyxh na synanastrafw para pollous kyprious, kai apo thn kalh kai apo thn anapodh, apo polles sxoles.
kyprioi foithtes ths filosofikhs kai ths filologias eixan problhmata or8ografias, (kai stis sxoles aytes mpainoun oi aristoi kyprioi) kai malista megala.
paidia apo gewponikh kai tei kai alles sxoles (kai nomikh akomh) eixan xasei to paixnidi kai dyskoleyontan. kai enw to lykeio eixe ta idia biblia me ta dika mas, to epipedo stis genikes gnwseis htan katwtero tou dikou mas. ayto to kserw kala.

silencerius
23-05-2005, 00:31
[quote="viva_emptiness":2s9abex6]eleos eleos
ayto enno otan leo komplexikoi ellines.
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Pes loipon ti prosferei h kypros sthn ellada[/quote:2s9abex6]

Giati prepei na to blepeis etsi dhladh? Giati kata tin gnwmi sou prepei na kanei kati h Kypros se antallagma?

viva_emptiness
23-05-2005, 00:32
gia na pw thn alh8eia, oute kai egw exw katalabei.
kai genikotera to epipedo twn kypriwn foithtwn einai poly xamhlo. toulaxiston sthn epoxh moy prin 4 xronia.
kai den nomizw oti edeixnan kamia eygnwmosynh sto ellhniko kratos.

dhladh ti na kanoune na pane stin bouli na proskinane kai na lene euxaristoume gia tis theseis?

oson afora to epipedo twn foititwn den blepw pou kollaei me to olo thema, alla an theleis mporeis na entrifiseis epi autou kai na analiseis apo pou bgazeis to simperasma

sth 8essalonikh sthn opoia spoudaza 4 xronia, eixa pragmati thn tyxh na synanastrafw para pollous kyprious, kai apo thn kalh kai apo thn anapodh, apo polles sxoles.
kyprioi foithtes ths filosofikhs eixan problhmata or8ografias, (kai stis sxoles aytes mpainoun oi aristoi kyprioi) kai malista megala.
paidia apo gewponikh kai tei kai alles sxoles (kai nomikh akomh) eixan xasei to paixnidi kai dyskoleyontan. kai enw to lykeio eixe ta idia biblia me ta dika mas, to epipedo stis genikes gnwseis htan katwtero tou dikou mas. ayto to kserw kala.

Ayto einai alithia xereis giati omos? Skepsou poso dyskolo einai alla na profereis kai alla na grafeis, den einai thema ekpaideytikoy systimatos.
Exeis mpei se kipriako sxoleio mesa? Tha trelatheis an deis ti ginetai se kathe mathima.

The Nerd
23-05-2005, 00:32
Meta apo ean polemo poy dioxtikane apo ta spitia toys
stathikane sta podia toys
xtisane ta spitakia toys(spitarones) me diko toys kopo
to ekpaideytiko toys systyma einai safos pio organomeno APo to elliniko esto kai an agglofernei leitoyrgei omos opos kai polla alla
Kai stin teliki an skeftomaste me ti logiki giati toys dinoyme theseis sta panepistimia mas stin Ellada
oi Aggloi giati na dexontai ta Ellinakia sta panepistimia toys?

Papste epiteloys me aytes tis komplexikes idees kai anaferomai kai stis dyo pleyres.

GIATI TA ELLHNAKIA FERNOYNE SYNALLAGMA KAI EPISHS TA ELLHNAKIA SPOYDAZOYN STHN PLEIOPSHFIA TOYS STA MPOYRDELA THS AGGLIAS. EPISHS TA ELLHNAKIA THS AGGLIAS EPI ISOIS OROIS DIAGWNIZONTAI ME TA AGGLAKIA.

TWRA GIA POLEMO KTL, OI KYPRIOI DEN DIKAIOYSTE NA MILATE GIA POLEMO KTL

KYPROS - KRHTH, MHN ME KANETE NA TO PW

The Nerd
23-05-2005, 00:33
[quote="viva_emptiness":3c1y5ewo]eleos eleos
ayto enno otan leo komplexikoi ellines.
<[list=1]>

Pes loipon ti prosferei h kypros sthn ellada

Giati prepei na to blepeis etsi dhladh? Giati kata tin gnwmi sou prepei na kanei kati h Kypros se antallagma?[/quote:3c1y5ewo]

GIATI AN DEN PROSFEREI KATI TOTE H SXESH ELLADAS KYPROY E3 ORISMOY EINAI ASYMMETRH ARA DIKAIOLOGEIS TON TITLO TOY THREAD MOY.

viva_emptiness
23-05-2005, 00:34
[quote="viva_emptiness":2fe5w1h2]Meta apo ean polemo poy dioxtikane apo ta spitia toys
stathikane sta podia toys
xtisane ta spitakia toys(spitarones) me diko toys kopo
to ekpaideytiko toys systyma einai safos pio organomeno APo to elliniko esto kai an agglofernei leitoyrgei omos opos kai polla alla
Kai stin teliki an skeftomaste me ti logiki giati toys dinoyme theseis sta panepistimia mas stin Ellada
oi Aggloi giati na dexontai ta Ellinakia sta panepistimia toys?

Papste epiteloys me aytes tis komplexikes idees kai anaferomai kai stis dyo pleyres.

GIATI TA ELLHNAKIA FERNOYNE SYNALLAGMA KAI EPISHS TA ELLHNAKIA SPOYDAZOYN STHN PLEIOPSHFIA TOYS STA MPOYRDELA THS AGGLIAS. EPISHS TA ELLHNAKIA THS AGGLIAS EPI ISOIS OROIS DIAGWNIZONTAI ME TA AGGLAKIA.

TWRA GIA POLEMO KTL, OI KYPRIOI DEN DIKAIOYSTE NA MILATE GIA POLEMO KTL

KYPROS - KRHTH, MHN ME KANETE NA TO PW[/quote:2fe5w1h2]

Sou milao apo prosopiki empeiria i mitera moy itan prosfygas kai ton ezise ton polemo para poly kala.

Medusa
23-05-2005, 00:35
GIATI TA ELLHNAKIA FERNOYNE SYNALLAGMA KAI EPISHS TA ELLHNAKIA SPOYDAZOYN STHN PLEIOPSHFIA TOYS STA MPOYRDELA THS AGGLIAS. EPISHS TA ELLHNAKIA THS AGGLIAS EPI ISOIS OROIS DIAGWNIZONTAI ME TA AGGLAKIA.

TWRA GIA POLEMO KTL, OI KYPRIOI DEN DIKAIOYSTE NA MILATE GIA POLEMO KTL
KYPROS - KRHTH, MHN ME KANETE NA TO PW

swstos se ayto.
pes omws gia ta bold.

silencerius
23-05-2005, 00:36
sth 8essalonikh sthn opoia spoudaza 4 xronia, eixa pragmati thn tyxh na synanastrafw para pollous kyprious, kai apo thn kalh kai apo thn anapodh, apo polles sxoles.
kyprioi foithtes ths filosofikhs kai ths filologias eixan problhmata or8ografias, (kai stis sxoles aytes mpainoun oi aristoi kyprioi) kai malista megala.
paidia apo gewponikh kai tei kai alles sxoles (kai nomikh akomh) eixan xasei to paixnidi kai dyskoleyontan. kai enw to lykeio eixe ta idia biblia me ta dika mas, to epipedo stis genikes gnwseis htan katwtero tou dikou mas. ayto to kserw kala.

Na me sigxwras alla egw gia tous Kyprious exw sximatisei entelws diaforetiki apopsh sto sigkekrimeno thema.
Proswpika epeidh exw zisei kai exw bgalei kai to likeio ekei, to ekpaideutiko tous sistima einai makran kalitero apo to diko mas, h paideia pou parexetai arketa anwterh kai to epipedo twn mathitwn arketa ews poly ypshlo kai oson afora tis genikes gnwseis arketa pio enimerwmenous. Entelws antikeimenika panta.
Milaw omws gia ton klado twn thetikwn epistimwn mia kai auton ton klado akolouthisa sto likeio.

Telospantwn auto den exei kai megali sxesi kai as to prosperasoume giati o kathenas krinei simfwna m'auta pou exei dei kai pou xei zisei, sin tou oti exoume mia diafora sta xronia kai exoune allaksei pragmata apo tote.

The Nerd
23-05-2005, 00:37
[quote="The Nerd":1h55wmk1][quote="viva_emptiness":1h55wmk1]Meta apo ean polemo poy dioxtikane apo ta spitia toys
stathikane sta podia toys
xtisane ta spitakia toys(spitarones) me diko toys kopo
to ekpaideytiko toys systyma einai safos pio organomeno APo to elliniko esto kai an agglofernei leitoyrgei omos opos kai polla alla
Kai stin teliki an skeftomaste me ti logiki giati toys dinoyme theseis sta panepistimia mas stin Ellada
oi Aggloi giati na dexontai ta Ellinakia sta panepistimia toys?

Papste epiteloys me aytes tis komplexikes idees kai anaferomai kai stis dyo pleyres.

GIATI TA ELLHNAKIA FERNOYNE SYNALLAGMA KAI EPISHS TA ELLHNAKIA SPOYDAZOYN STHN PLEIOPSHFIA TOYS STA MPOYRDELA THS AGGLIAS. EPISHS TA ELLHNAKIA THS AGGLIAS EPI ISOIS OROIS DIAGWNIZONTAI ME TA AGGLAKIA.

TWRA GIA POLEMO KTL, OI KYPRIOI DEN DIKAIOYSTE NA MILATE GIA POLEMO KTL

KYPROS - KRHTH, MHN ME KANETE NA TO PW[/quote:1h55wmk1]

Sou milao apo prosopiki empeiria i mitera moy itan prosfygas kai ton ezise ton polemo para poly kala.[/quote:1h55wmk1]

TO 1974 DEN EGINE KAN POLEMOS, KRISH EGINE
POSA XRONIA POLEMAGE H ELLADA KAI POSA H KYPROS?
STRATIWTIKA, AN POYME OTI GRAFOYME THN KYPRO STA PAPARIA MAS, MPOREI OPOIODHPOTE KRATOS NA MPEI NA SAS FAEI LAXANO?
STHN KRHTH GIATI OPOIOS PHGE APO 200 mX kai epeita etrwge maxairies kai mpalw8ies enw sthn kypro anoigane ta podia?

Tonosalata
23-05-2005, 00:37
edit: to post afto htan prin tou nerd opote...
episis de dexontai mono ta ellhnakia oi aggloi alla opoiosdipote plirwnei ta didaxtra tou, k mallon niazonta pio poly gia non european mias k ta didaktra einai 5plasia :P

Medusa
23-05-2005, 00:38
egw gnwriza kyprious 1997-2001.
esy poso mikroteros eisai?

chris_boss
23-05-2005, 00:39
gia na pw thn alh8eia, oute kai egw exw katalabei.
kai genikotera to epipedo twn kypriwn foithtwn einai poly xamhlo. toulaxiston sthn epoxh moy prin 4 xronia.
kai den nomizw oti edeixnan kamia eygnwmosynh sto ellhniko kratos.

dhladh ti na kanoune na pane stin bouli na proskinane kai na lene euxaristoume gia tis theseis?

oson afora to epipedo twn foititwn den blepw pou kollaei me to olo thema, alla an theleis mporeis na entrifiseis epi autou kai na analiseis apo pou bgazeis to simperasma

sth 8essalonikh sthn opoia spoudaza 4 xronia, eixa pragmati thn tyxh na synanastrafw para pollous kyprious, kai apo thn kalh kai apo thn anapodh, apo polles sxoles.
kyprioi foithtes ths filosofikhs kai ths filologias eixan problhmata or8ografias, (kai stis sxoles aytes mpainoun oi aristoi kyprioi) kai malista megala.
paidia apo gewponikh kai tei kai alles sxoles (kai nomikh akomh) eixan xasei to paixnidi kai dyskoleyontan. kai enw to lykeio eixe ta idia biblia me ta dika mas, to epipedo stis genikes gnwseis htan katwtero tou dikou mas. ayto to kserw kala.
Είσαι σίγουρη ότι και εκείνοι σε έκαναν παρέα; Οι Κύπριοι είναι γκετάκηδες.

The Nerd
23-05-2005, 00:39
Stamataw na postarw gia shmera, mexri na sygkentrwsw egkyro istoriko yliko.
viva_emptiness: elpizw na se kalypsa egw kai o pr0n ( :pink: ) kai na soy pw oti en anti8esei me agglia, ellada den einai akoma viomhxania h 3ova8mia ekpaideysh

silencerius
23-05-2005, 00:40
GIATI AN DEN PROSFEREI KATI TOTE H SXESH ELLADAS KYPROY E3 ORISMOY EINAI ASYMMETRH ARA DIKAIOLOGEIS TON TITLO TOY THREAD MOY.

Ama to pareis etsi tote nai ligo poly einai assimetri, alla giati auto einai kako dhladh?

House Of Low Culture
23-05-2005, 00:41
oi kyprioi einai klika...
kai dn tous paw.Einai kakoi an8rwpoi. :| :| :|

The Nerd
23-05-2005, 00:43
GIATI AN DEN PROSFEREI KATI TOTE H SXESH ELLADAS KYPROY E3 ORISMOY EINAI ASYMMETRH ARA DIKAIOLOGEIS TON TITLO TOY THREAD MOY.

Ama to pareis etsi tote nai ligo poly einai assimetri, alla giati auto einai kako dhladh?

TELEYTAIO POST +1:

DEN EINAI KAKO AMA EISAI KYPRIOS, EINAI KAKO AMA EISAI ELLHNAS.

Medusa
23-05-2005, 00:43
TO 1974 DEN EGINE KAN POLEMOS, KRISH EGINE
POSA XRONIA POLEMAGE H ELLADA KAI POSA H KYPROS?
STRATIWTIKA, AN POYME OTI GRAFOYME THN KYPRO STA PAPARIA MAS, MPOREI OPOIODHPOTE KRATOS NA MPEI NA SAS FAEI LAXANO?
STHN KRHTH GIATI OPOIOS PHGE APO 200 mX kai epeita etrwge maxairies kai mpalw8ies enw sthn kypro anoigane ta podia?

eimai perhfanh gia thn krhtikh moy katagwgh, h krhth pote den to ebale sta podia, parolo pou einai apo tous topous pou gnwrise polles katakthseis kai polemous.

exeis dikio, den egine polemos sthnkypro tote. mono eisbolh.
edw den exw apanthsh pros yperaspish twn kypriwn. mono na pw oti h maxh ths Krhths kai h eisbolh sthn kypro den einai apolytws sygkrisimes,an exete kai ayto sto nou sas.

silencerius
23-05-2005, 00:44
Είσαι σίγουρη ότι και εκείνοι σε έκαναν παρέα; Οι Κύπριοι είναι γκετάκηδες.

Allh mia pareksigimeni ennoia.
Simfwnw oti oi Kyprioi bgazoun tin eikona twn gketakidwn alla auto to fainomeno prokaleitai ws epi to pleiston apo tous Elladites kai apo to gegonos oti einai logiko na sinanastrefontai ws epi to pleiston metaksi tous.

viva_emptiness
23-05-2005, 00:44
gia na pw thn alh8eia, oute kai egw exw katalabei.
kai genikotera to epipedo twn kypriwn foithtwn einai poly xamhlo. toulaxiston sthn epoxh moy prin 4 xronia.
kai den nomizw oti edeixnan kamia eygnwmosynh sto ellhniko kratos.

dhladh ti na kanoune na pane stin bouli na proskinane kai na lene euxaristoume gia tis theseis?

oson afora to epipedo twn foititwn den blepw pou kollaei me to olo thema, alla an theleis mporeis na entrifiseis epi autou kai na analiseis apo pou bgazeis to simperasma

sth 8essalonikh sthn opoia spoudaza 4 xronia, eixa pragmati thn tyxh na synanastrafw para pollous kyprious, kai apo thn kalh kai apo thn anapodh, apo polles sxoles.
kyprioi foithtes ths filosofikhs kai ths filologias eixan problhmata or8ografias, (kai stis sxoles aytes mpainoun oi aristoi kyprioi) kai malista megala.
paidia apo gewponikh kai tei kai alles sxoles (kai nomikh akomh) eixan xasei to paixnidi kai dyskoleyontan. kai enw to lykeio eixe ta idia biblia me ta dika mas, to epipedo stis genikes gnwseis htan katwtero tou dikou mas. ayto to kserw kala.
Είσαι σίγουρη ότι και εκείνοι σε έκαναν παρέα; Οι Κύπριοι είναι γκετάκηδες.

Ntaxei se ayto exete dikio kai aytoi einai oi komplexikoi Kyprioii.

The Nerd
23-05-2005, 00:46
TO 1974 DEN EGINE KAN POLEMOS, KRISH EGINE
POSA XRONIA POLEMAGE H ELLADA KAI POSA H KYPROS?
STRATIWTIKA, AN POYME OTI GRAFOYME THN KYPRO STA PAPARIA MAS, MPOREI OPOIODHPOTE KRATOS NA MPEI NA SAS FAEI LAXANO?
STHN KRHTH GIATI OPOIOS PHGE APO 200 mX kai epeita etrwge maxairies kai mpalw8ies enw sthn kypro anoigane ta podia?

eimai perhfanh gia thn krhtikh moy katagwgh, h krhth pote den to ebale sta podia, parolo pou einai apo tous topous pou gnwrise polles katakthseis kai polemous.

exeis dikio, den egine polemos sthnkypro tote. mono eisbolh.
edw den exw apanthsh pros yperaspish twn kypriwn. mono na pw oti h maxh ths Krhths kai h eisbolh sthn kypro den einai apolytws sygkrisimes,an exete kai ayto sto nou sas.


Prosexe, anaferw hmeromhnies
200mX = Rwmaikh eisvolh poy phre poylo
mexri 1941 poy ta germana fagane poylo apo toys AOPLOYS Krhtes

Kypros: Perase o enas, perase o allos, o teleytaios na kleisei thn porta.

silencerius
23-05-2005, 00:46
[quote="The Nerd":nbpazxvv]
GIATI AN DEN PROSFEREI KATI TOTE H SXESH ELLADAS KYPROY E3 ORISMOY EINAI ASYMMETRH ARA DIKAIOLOGEIS TON TITLO TOY THREAD MOY.

Ama to pareis etsi tote nai ligo poly einai assimetri, alla giati auto einai kako dhladh?

TELEYTAIO POST +1:

DEN EINAI KAKO AMA EISAI KYPRIOS, EINAI KAKO AMA EISAI ELLHNAS.[/quote:nbpazxvv]

Eisai pantelws prokateilhmenos.
Kai eksaitias autou de mporeis na katalabeis h na dexteis oti kai oi Kyprioi einai Ellhnes.

Tonosalata
23-05-2005, 00:47
se proswpiko epipedo peri sinanastrofhs kypriwn omologw oti den exw kapoio parapono,osous exw gnwrisei itan poly kala paidia se shmeio na kanoun k thisies gia mena,opote de borw na milisw oti einai kolofara
apo thn allh an mia xwra 780.000 katoikwn me arketa kalh oikonomikh katastash de borei na exei kalitera sxolika sistimata kai alla tetoia tote 8a htan tragiko,(an k proswpika de gnwrizw ta sistimata tous).

House Of Low Culture
23-05-2005, 00:47
oi kyprioi einai kyprioi.&-

silencerius
23-05-2005, 00:49
Prosexe, anaferw hmeromhnies
200mX = Rwmaikh eisvolh poy phre poylo
mexri 1941 poy ta germana fagane poylo apo toys AOPLOYS Krhtes

Kypros: Perase o enas, perase o allos, o teleytaios na kleisei thn porta.

Ntaksei oi Krhtikoi einai magkes kai kseroun na polemane. Einai auto omws epixeirima na katigoreis tous Kyprious? Kai den katalabainw POU AKRIBWS KOLLAEI ME THN OLH SYZHTHSH STH SXESH METAKSY ELLADAS KAI KYPROU.

The Nerd
23-05-2005, 00:51
[quote="The Nerd":2e370los]
GIATI AN DEN PROSFEREI KATI TOTE H SXESH ELLADAS KYPROY E3 ORISMOY EINAI ASYMMETRH ARA DIKAIOLOGEIS TON TITLO TOY THREAD MOY.

Ama to pareis etsi tote nai ligo poly einai assimetri, alla giati auto einai kako dhladh?

TELEYTAIO POST +1:

DEN EINAI KAKO AMA EISAI KYPRIOS, EINAI KAKO AMA EISAI ELLHNAS.

Eisai pantelws prokateilhmenos.
Kai eksaitias autou de mporeis na katalabeis h na dexteis oti kai oi Kyprioi einai Ellhnes.[/quote:2e370los]

Gia mena re file, OXI den eiste ellhnes

Exete stoixeia agglikhs (!! poy kollaei h Vrettania me thn mesogeio?) nootropias , lete pipes oti kai kala xtisate th xwra sas (me ta lefta twn rwsswn), eiste eley8eroi me ntavatzhdes (ellada/agglia) me strato xeirotero kafeneio apo ton ellhniko kai den polemhsate to 1974. Poia ta koina mas shmeia? Oti milate mia sxetika paremferh glwssa? To idio mporoyn na poyn kai oi slavoi kai oi alvanoi ...
Oti moiazoyme fatsika? To idio isxyei gia olh th mesogeio.

Exeis na peis kapoia epixeirhmata enantion? pesta kai isws me voh8hseis na dw kati poy moy diafeygei
Mexri stigmhs ti vlepw? Thn klassikh kypriakh malakia
"Eixame polemo (LOL) xtisame spitarwnes (LOL) kai kala kanete oi ellhnes poy mas exete sto sverko (KARALOL)

Peite me komple3ara, adiaforw

enitharmon
23-05-2005, 00:53
eleos eleos
ayto enno otan leo komplexikoi ellines.
<[list=1]>
όταν είναι αλήθεια δεν είναι κόμπλεξ, είναι απλά η αλήθεια

viva_emptiness
23-05-2005, 00:54
[quote=silencerius][quote="The Nerd":2cq6f6e4]
GIATI AN DEN PROSFEREI KATI TOTE H SXESH ELLADAS KYPROY E3 ORISMOY EINAI ASYMMETRH ARA DIKAIOLOGEIS TON TITLO TOY THREAD MOY.

Ama to pareis etsi tote nai ligo poly einai assimetri, alla giati auto einai kako dhladh?

TELEYTAIO POST +1:

DEN EINAI KAKO AMA EISAI KYPRIOS, EINAI KAKO AMA EISAI ELLHNAS.

Eisai pantelws prokateilhmenos.


Kai eksaitias autou de mporeis na katalabeis h na dexteis oti kai oi Kyprioi einai Ellhnes.[/quote:2cq6f6e4]

Gia mena re file, OXI den eiste ellhnes

Exete stoixeia agglikhs (!! poy kollaei h Vrettania me thn mesogeio?) nootropias , lete pipes oti kai kala xtisate th xwra sas (me ta lefta twn rwsswn), eiste eley8eroi me ntavatzhdes (ellada/agglia) me strato xeirotero kafeneio apo ton ellhniko kai den polemhsate to 1974. Poia ta koina mas shmeia? Oti milate mia sxetika paremferh glwssa? To idio mporoyn na poyn kai oi slavoi kai oi alvanoi ...
Oti moiazoyme fatsika? To idio isxyei gia olh th mesogeio.

Exeis na peis kapoia epixeirhmata enantion? pesta kai isws me voh8hseis na dw kati poy moy diafeygei
Mexri stigmhs ti vlepw? Thn klassikh kypriakh malakia
"Eixame polemo (LOL) xtisame spitarwnes (LOL) kai kala kanete oi ellhnes poy mas exete sto sverko (KARALOL)

Peite me komple3ara, adiaforw[/quote:2cq6f6e4]

Den eisai komplexaras apla opos kai to 98% ton Ellinon eisai prokateillimenos. Teleios omos. Kai eytixos pote kanenos den prospathisa na toy allaxo gnomi opote ntaxei dikaioma soy na ta pisteueis ayta.

Medusa
23-05-2005, 00:55
dikaioutai kapoios na ta bazei me tous kyprious, alla oxi na amfisbhtei thn istorikh alh8eia ths ellhnikhs tous katagwghs. e.
malakes einai pantou, giati na mhn einai kai oi kyprioi?
o ka8enas exei dikaiwma sth malakia (sic).

viva_emptiness
23-05-2005, 00:56
eleos eleos
ayto enno otan leo komplexikoi ellines.
<[list=1]>
όταν είναι αλήθεια δεν είναι κόμπλεξ, είναι απλά η αλήθεια

Tespa. to poia einai i alithia einai sxetikotato.

freak brother
23-05-2005, 00:57
ellhn einai o ferwn thn ellhnikh paideia.. legan oi arxaioi...exw gnwrisei pollous kuprious eixa kolhto kyprio o opoios mou ferthhke apisteyta poustika kai htan kai apisteuta tsigkounhs ...alla den xerw genikotera an paw na zhsw sthn kupro tha sas pw :p

House Of Low Culture
23-05-2005, 00:59
http://www.elite-voyages.com/images/map-cyprus-greece.gif
no com.

viva_emptiness
23-05-2005, 01:00
ellhn einai o ferwn thn ellhnikh paideia.. legan oi arxaioi...exw gnwrisei pollous kuprious eixa kolhto kyprio o opoios mou ferthhke apisteyta poustika kai htan kai apisteuta tsigkounhs ...alla den xerw genikotera an paw na zhsw sthn kupro tha sas pw :p

Giati ti paideia feroyn oi Kyprioii..afrikaniki?
Kai episis opoiosdipote tha mporouse na einai sti thesi toy kollitoy soy den paei na pei oti epeidi soy ferthike poustika aytomatos oloi OI kyprioii einai tsiggoynides kai paizoyn pousties stoys filoys toys.

Deggial
23-05-2005, 01:00
Κάνετε συζήτηση ενός θέματος που αφορά εθνικότητες με τον Nerd...

dyingfreedom
23-05-2005, 01:01
Έχοντας ζήσει (καλώς ή κακώς ) στην Κύπρο 9 μήνες και 13 μέρες λόγω στρατού (υπηρέτησα ΕΛΔΥΚ) έχω να κάνω τις εξής βασικές παρατηρήσεις.

1. Οι Κύπριοι αισθάνονται Έλληνες μόνο όταν τους συμφέρει (βλ. Euro04)

2.Η νοοτροπία τους πιο πολύ κλίνει πρός τους Άγγλους (καλώς ή κακώς είχαν- έχουν μεγάλη επιρροή)

3.Ο τρόπος ζωής είναι σχετικά όμοιος με τον δικό μας

Εγώ προσωπικά δεν μπορώ να πώ ότι έχω και τις καλύτερες εντυπώσεις για την Κύπρο αλλά μάλλον αυτό προκείπτει από την θητεία μου εκεί.
όσον αφορά τις μεταξύ μας σχέσεις πιστεύω ότι εμείς είμαστε πιο κάφροι στις απόψεις μας. Δηλαδή θεωρούμε τους κουμπάρους ψεύτες, λεφτάδες,διπρόσωπους κτλ (κυρίως μέσα από γνωριμίες σε φοιτητικούς κύκλους). Εν μέρει έχουμε και κάποιο δίκιο.

Εγώ δεν μπορώ να καταλάβω γιατί γίνεται τόσος μεγάλος ντόρος για ένα ζήτημα τόσο απλό.
Οι άνθρωποι είναι ελληνόφωνοι οι μισοί και οι άλλοι μισοί τουρκόφωνοι. ΜΕ τους Ελληνοκυπρίους οφείλουμε να έχουμε καλές σχέσεις μιας και τα πράγματα κάτω είναι τεταμένα και μόνο από μας έχουν υποστήριξη (ηθική βασικά).
Το ζήτημα του '74 είναι τόσο σκοτεινό από μόνο του και δεν νομίζω ποτέ να γίνει γνωστό το τι πραγματικά έγινε από μέρους μας.
Υπάρχουν Κύπριοι που μας θεωρούν προδότες από τότε. Καλώς ή κακώς έγιναν λάθη και τόσοι άνθρωποι ξεσπιτώθηκαν κακήν κακώς.

Πάντως την δεκαετία του 50 όταν και ανακηρύχθηκαν ανεξάρτητο έθνος ζητούσαν την ένωση. Ο Αγώνας του ΕΟΚΑ ήταν πάντως αγώνας που έδειξε ελληνική ψυχή και κάποια πράγματα που διαπίστωσα ιδίοις όμμασι με έκαναν να αιστανθώ περήφανος πάντως.

Τότε αγωνίστηκαν να αποτάξουν τον αγγλικό ζυγό. Τώρα μάχονται μόνο για την πάρτη τους και καλά κάνουν. Και το νόμισμα μετράει και η ''ελεύθερη'' Κύπρος είναι οικονομικά δυνατή.

Medusa
23-05-2005, 01:03
Κάνετε συζήτηση ενός θέματος που αφορά εθνικότητες με τον Nerd...

htan mia pe8era poy eniw8e fobera apaisia e3aitias ths korhs ths poy ths parousiase enan mayro gia gampro.
otan o antras ths thn kathgorhse gia ratsismo, ekeinh apanthse:
"egw eimai ratsistria? aytos o idios einai, poy 8elei na pantreytei leykh!" .

silencerius
23-05-2005, 01:03
Gia mena re file, OXI den eiste ellhnes

Exete stoixeia agglikhs (!! poy kollaei h Vrettania me thn mesogeio?) nootropias , lete pipes oti kai kala xtisate th xwra sas (me ta lefta twn rwsswn), eiste eley8eroi me ntavatzhdes (ellada/agglia) me strato xeirotero kafeneio apo ton ellhniko kai den polemhsate to 1974. Poia ta koina mas shmeia? Oti milate mia sxetika paremferh glwssa? To idio mporoyn na poyn kai oi slavoi kai oi alvanoi ...
Oti moiazoyme fatsika? To idio isxyei gia olh th mesogeio.

Exeis na peis kapoia epixeirhmata enantion? pesta kai isws me voh8hseis na dw kati poy moy diafeygei
Mexri stigmhs ti vlepw? Thn klassikh kypriakh malakia
"Eixame polemo (LOL) xtisame spitarwnes (LOL) kai kala kanete oi ellhnes poy mas exete sto sverko (KARALOL)

Peite me komple3ara, adiaforw

Prwton exeis plaka, giati an paratirises ta epixeirimata pou xrisimopoiouses prin twra ta xrisimopoieis me ton akribws antitheto tropo.

Deyteron, gia sena mporei oi Kyprioi na min einai Ellines, gia olo ton ypoloipo logiko kai mi prokateilhmeno kosmo einai. Einai ena gegonos. PWS NA TO KANOUME.
Ki egw mporei na lew oti h Gh gyrizei girw apo to feggari. Den allazei kati.
Ta "epixeirimata" pou theteis gia na apodeikseis tin mi-Ellinikotita twn Kypriwn einai epieikws asteia.

H Megalh Bretania kapote eixe stin katoxi tis ton miso planiti. Dhladh oles autes oi perioxes exoun XASEI tin ethnikotita tous?
Dhladh me thn idia logiki epeidh ki emeis eimastan 400 xronia kataktimenoi apo tous Tourkous kai exoume afomoiwsei kapoia stoixeia apo tin nootropia tous pauoume na yfistametha Ellhnes? Tha mas trelaneis teleiws?

Telika fainetai oti epeidh eisai prokateilimenos, akoma kai to pio xazo epixeirima sou fainetai traxanto kai autapodeikto.
Akoma kai to gegonos oti i oikonomia tis Kyprou anthise me tin kathodo rwssopontiwn sou fainetai epixeirima. Imarton.

Kai sthn telikh, h politiki tis tote eksousias einai pou ekane tin oikonomia na anthisei, to gegonos tis eleushs kefalaiou htan apla mia eunoiki katastash pou ekmetaleuthkan oi Kyprioi sto epakro. O,ti dhladh prospathoume na kanoume emeis oi Elladites twra gia oikonomiki anakapmsi.
Les kai ama to idio sinebaine stin Ellada den tha arpazame tin eukairia.

Oi Kyprioi mporei na min polemisan to '74 alla exoun dwsei alles maxes, ki allous polemous. Mia zwi auto to nhsi htan ypo kapoion katakthth. Exoun ginei polles epanastaseis kai exoun bgei polloi hrwes. De mporeis na sigkrineis tin Kypro me tin Kriti. Se kamia periptwsh.

silencerius
23-05-2005, 01:08
@dyingfreedom: oson afora to 1 tha diafwnisw, en merei.

oson afora ta ypoloipa ta les poly kala.

dyingfreedom
23-05-2005, 01:11
Μακάρι να είμαι λάθος silencerius αλλά τουλάχιστον για όσο τους έζησα αυτή την εντύπωση μου δωσαν.

The Nerd
23-05-2005, 01:18
1. Οι Κύπριοι αισθάνονται Έλληνες μόνο όταν τους συμφέρει (βλ. Euro04)

2.Η νοοτροπία τους πιο πολύ κλίνει πρός τους Άγγλους (καλώς ή κακώς είχαν- έχουν μεγάλη επιρροή)

3.Ο τρόπος ζωής είναι σχετικά όμοιος με τον δικό μας


0WNED!
0WNED!
0WNED!
0WNED!
0WNED!

respect kai pink sto palhkari.

silencerius
23-05-2005, 01:20
Oi perissoteroi Kyprioi den einai prokateilimenoi.
Anagnwrizoun tin ethniki tous tautotita.
Allwste zoune san Ellhnes. Pisteuw oti den xreiazetai kati parapanw. Ti tha pei "einai Ellhnes opote tous simferei".
Logiko einai na noiazontai prwta gia tin Kypro kai epeita gia tin Ellada. Den allazei tin ethniki tous syneidhsh auto omws.
To euro proswpika de mou stekei san paradeigma, an den panigirizan sigoura kapoioi tha ebgainan na poun "des tous mlkes tous Kyprious de xairontai gia mas".

freak brother
23-05-2005, 01:21
[quote="freak brother":3opspk66]ellhn einai o ferwn thn ellhnikh paideia.. legan oi arxaioi...exw gnwrisei pollous kuprious eixa kolhto kyprio o opoios mou ferthhke apisteyta poustika kai htan kai apisteuta tsigkounhs ...alla den xerw genikotera an paw na zhsw sthn kupro tha sas pw :p

Giati ti paideia feroyn oi Kyprioii..afrikaniki?
Kai episis opoiosdipote tha mporouse na einai sti thesi toy kollitoy soy den paei na pei oti epeidi soy ferthike poustika aytomatos oloi OI kyprioii einai tsiggoynides kai paizoyn pousties stoys filoys toys.[/quote:3opspk66]

giati pou eides na lew oti oi kuprioi den einai ellhnes?
kai pou eides na lew oti oloi oi kuprioi einai tsigkounhdes kai paizoune pousties?

viva_emptiness
23-05-2005, 01:27
[quote="viva_emptiness":1w2m8g7m][quote="freak brother":1w2m8g7m]ellhn einai o ferwn thn ellhnikh paideia.. legan oi arxaioi...exw gnwrisei pollous kuprious eixa kolhto kyprio o opoios mou ferthhke apisteyta poustika kai htan kai apisteuta tsigkounhs ...alla den xerw genikotera an paw na zhsw sthn kupro tha sas pw :p

Giati ti paideia feroyn oi Kyprioii..afrikaniki?
Kai episis opoiosdipote tha mporouse na einai sti thesi toy kollitoy soy den paei na pei oti epeidi soy ferthike poustika aytomatos oloi OI kyprioii einai tsiggoynides kai paizoyn pousties stoys filoys toys.[/quote:1w2m8g7m]

giati pou eides na lew oti oi kuprioi den einai ellhnes?
kai pou eides na lew oti oloi oi kuprioi einai tsigkounhdes kai paizoune pousties?[/quote:1w2m8g7m]

nai sto proto exeis dikio den to eipes
alla to deytero giati to eipes??? :P

president
23-05-2005, 01:30
FORUM STON PSILO

Angrafan
23-05-2005, 01:32
FORUM STON PSILO LEME

president
23-05-2005, 01:33
Angrafan :pink:

freak brother
23-05-2005, 01:34
[quote="freak brother":214xcsaq][quote="viva_emptiness":214xcsaq][quote="freak brother":214xcsaq]ellhn einai o ferwn thn ellhnikh paideia.. legan oi arxaioi...exw gnwrisei pollous kuprious eixa kolhto kyprio o opoios mou ferthhke apisteyta poustika kai htan kai apisteuta tsigkounhs ...alla den xerw genikotera an paw na zhsw sthn kupro tha sas pw :p

Giati ti paideia feroyn oi Kyprioii..afrikaniki?
Kai episis opoiosdipote tha mporouse na einai sti thesi toy kollitoy soy den paei na pei oti epeidi soy ferthike poustika aytomatos oloi OI kyprioii einai tsiggoynides kai paizoyn pousties stoys filoys toys.[/quote:214xcsaq]

giati pou eides na lew oti oi kuprioi den einai ellhnes?
kai pou eides na lew oti oloi oi kuprioi einai tsigkounhdes kai paizoune pousties?[/quote:214xcsaq]

nai sto proto exeis dikio den to eipes
alla to deytero giati to eipes??? :P[/quote:214xcsaq]

gia ton sugkekrimeno Kuprio giati tou xw axti.. moxuauxauxa

BLiTzER
23-05-2005, 01:37
gia ton sugkekrimeno Kuprio giati tou xw axti.. moxuauxauxa

Aytos sou paikse poustia ki esy kratas ta pragmata tou loipon. Eiste patsi.

silencerius
23-05-2005, 01:39
:cold: :P

enitharmon
23-05-2005, 01:41
ό,τι είπε ο dying freedom. Τονίζουν συνεχώς πως είμαστε ένα έθνος, αλλά όποτε γίνεται λόγος για την Ελλάδα "εσείς στην Ελλάδα αυτό και εσείς εκείνο"

president
23-05-2005, 01:52
Forum ston Psilo

The Nerd
23-05-2005, 01:56
Forum ston Psilo
http://www.nd.gr/n_images/index_03.gif

eyeamflesch
23-05-2005, 01:57
Forum ston Psilo

PisteBeis oti se 1on1 street-fighting me ton The Nerd to exeis i se exei?

president
23-05-2005, 01:58
Afiste tin Kypro isixi,min ta paroun kai den tha ksanadoume 12ari sto Eurovision

The Nerd
23-05-2005, 06:09
Nta3ei paidia to kaname poytana. Pame pali sta sovara.
O Silencirius anagnwrise oti h Kypros dexetai perissotera apo osa prosferei sthn Ellada. Symfwneite oi alloi OTI ginetai ayto? An nai, giati ginetai ayto? An ginetai kai symfwnete, tote giati?

Ayta ws ere8isma gia sovarh syzhthsh

kai :peace: se olon ton kosmo

House Of Low Culture
23-05-2005, 12:34
syggnwmh suggnwmh...
An einai efkolo na mou pei kapoios ti prosferei h kypros sthn ellada..

Angrafan
23-05-2005, 12:38
12 pontous kathe xronia sth eurovision.
den nomizw tipota allo.

Dark-Avenger
23-05-2005, 12:43
Ορδές φοιτητών που καταλαμβάνουν τις θέσεις στα πανεπιστήμια επίσης.

dyingfreedom
23-05-2005, 13:15
Χαλούμι και σεφταλιές.Επίσης τους One, τον Χριστοφόρου και τον Χατζηγιάννη.

House Of Low Culture
23-05-2005, 13:17
mhn ksexname vissi kai evridiki..

tamagothi
23-05-2005, 13:47
ta xaloumi kai i lountza gamane.

yparxei terastia diafora stin koultoura, dokimaste na zitisete apo kyprio mplanko!!!
(plaka kanw, variemai na skeftw kai na apantisw sovara.)

btw exei dei kaneis an exei lountza sto vasilopoulo?

a episis to oti oi kyprioi pou pernane ellada einai xamilou epipedou einai FACT. oi kaloi pianoun tis vaseis twn AEI tis xwras tous kai kathontai ekei.

gia peite gia ti lountza twra.

(e episis kyrineia rispekt.)

E PEITE GIA TH LOUNTZA.

dyingfreedom
23-05-2005, 13:54
Μαλακία η λούτζα. Δεν μάρεσε καθόλου ρε σύ.ένα άγευστο πράγμα έιναι.Από χοιρινό δεν είναι;Έτσι νομίζω.

tamagothi
23-05-2005, 14:02
nai, apo xoirino prepei na einai.
gousta.

Medusa
23-05-2005, 14:15
TO GAMATO POY EIXA faei sthn kypro htan makrostenes kroketes me plhgouri kai apo mesa kimas me maintano...
ola ta lefta.

kai gia kalokairi to paradosiako 3inogala me poly alati kai dyosmo.
PERNAS KALOKAIRI MOURLIA.

dyingfreedom
23-05-2005, 14:34
Πωπω ναι αυτό με τον κιμά γάμαγε. Δεν θυμάμαι πως το έλεγαν ρε γαμώτο.

Vic
23-05-2005, 14:42
Nerd eisai o klassikos o Ellhnas o malakas omws. Epeidh exeis mia asxhmh apopsh gia tous Kyprious pou gnwrises, ksafnika den einai Ellhnes, den prepei na mpainoun sta panepisthmia klp.

OPWS PANTA, oi Ellhnares prepei na plakwnontai metaksy tous, kai ayto paei kai stis dyo plevres, kai stous Elladites kai tous Kyprious. Amfoteroi einai ta klassika provata, thymata ths politikhs diairei kai vasileve, eidika o Nerd den perimena pote na faei to xapi toso eykola.

Safestata yparxoun malakes Kyprioi. Safestata yparxoun malakes Elladites. Safestata yparxoun malakes Ellhnes. Tromerh anakalypsh.

Sthn Agglia gnwrisa para pollous. Oi pio polloi htan malakes. Katse na sou pw kai to allo to wraio omws. Gnwrisa pollous Elladites epishs. Oi pio polloi htan malakes. Symperasma. Oi perissoteroi Ellhnes einai malakes. To kalytero paidi pou gnwrisa htan Kyprios. THEOS. Pio kalh kardia apo opoiondhpote gnwrisa sthn Agglia. Mia xara gennaiodwro paidi, otan arrwsthsa asxhma kathotan kai mou eftiaxne kotosoupa! Apo thn Pafo, paidi aplo alla eksw kardia...

Gia agwnes kai Krhth ta akouw verese. Esy Nerd me poio dikaiwma oikeiopoihsai tous agwnes twn palaioterwn Ellhnwn? Mhpws h shmerinh genia sou kanei gia hrwikh kai antrikia? Gia ton agwna ths EOKA exeis akousei katholou?

Genikws gia thn newterh istoria ths Kyprou tha prepei prwta na melethseis kala tis phges, na psakseis ti rolo epaikse o Makarios kai na deis poion synefere telika h Kypros na ginei aneksarthto kratos kai oxi na prosartithei sthn Ellada.

Gia ta 200mX, den sxoliazw kan.

Gia ta ellhnika panepisthmia kala kanoun, tous dinoun thn eykairia san Ellhnes na mpoun se ellhnika panepisthmia, parolo pou kapoioi thelisan nte kai kala na tous symperiferthoun san kseno kratos.

To xeirotero omws einai oti kai polloi Kyprioi kai polloi Elladites exoun tsimphsei to dolwma kai thn exoun dei alla krath.

Sthn telikh, fantazomai NErd oti oi Kyprioi den einai oi monoi Ellhnes pou exeis akousei na tous lene malakes? Kai tous Peloponnhsious exw akousei na tous lene etsi, kai tous Krhtikous kai tous Hpeirwtes kai ola. Eimaste experts sto na vgazoume o enas to mati tou allou. Sygxarhthria pou threis thn paradosh.

Ayta.-

Medusa
23-05-2005, 15:00
wraio post, vic. gia thn apofygh twn prosfilwn genikeysewn.

katwrimos
23-05-2005, 19:21
Loipon

Osoi kyprioi exo gnorisei ego aisthanontai ellines. Aloi itan kala paidia aloi malakes, genikos exo kales entiposeis. Pantos to oti esthanontai ellines opote tous simferei einai o megaliteros laikismos pou exo akousei. Peite mou MIA peristasi, pou to paiksan "kyprioi" eno eprepe na to paiksoune "ellines" logo tou simferontos tous...

viva_emptiness
23-05-2005, 23:53
TO GAMATO POY EIXA faei sthn kypro htan makrostenes kroketes me plhgouri kai apo mesa kimas me maintano...
ola ta lefta.

kai gia kalokairi to paradosiako 3inogala me poly alati kai dyosmo.
PERNAS KALOKAIRI MOURLIA.

Loipon ayto me tis kroketes legetai κούπες και το παραδοσιακό λέγεται αιράνι και είναι τούρκικο.

dyingfreedom
23-05-2005, 23:59
A, ναί. Κούπες.
Respect \m/

Acid Baby
24-05-2005, 00:00
Τα αηδόνια δε σ'αφήνουν να κοιμηθείς στις Πλάτρες...

Weiss
24-05-2005, 00:12
Πάντως την έχω κι εγώ αυτή την εντύπωση που διατυπώθηκε πριν κάποιες σελίδες, ότι οι κύπριοι δεν πολέμησαν ιδιαίτερα. Δηλαδή, μπαίνει κάποιος και σου παίρνει το σπίτι σου, τέλοσπαντων.
Ομολογώ ότι δεν έχω ασχοληθεί ιδιαίτερα με το θέμα, αλλά αυτή η εντύπωση μου δίνεται.
Anyway, για τα ελληνικά πανεπιστήμια, από τη στιγμή που υπάρχει αυτή η δυνατότητα περιμένει κανείς να πουν οι κύπριοι "α όχι εγώ δε θα πάω γιατί δε μου αξίζει"? Θεωρητικά (αν και υπάρχουν διπλωματικά θέματα μέσα I suppose) θα έπρεπε το ελληνικό κράτος να αλλάξει την υπάρχουσα κατάσταση. Νοn?

enitharmon
24-05-2005, 00:59
kai gia kalokairi to paradosiako 3inogala me poly alati kai dyosmo.
αυτό το λένε Ayran και είναι ποτό από την Τουρκία (χωρίς δυόσμο) που τόσο δε χωνεύεις :)

εντιτ: το είπε η viva παραπάνω

enitharmon
24-05-2005, 01:16
Osoi kyprioi exo gnorisei ego aisthanontai ellines. Aloi itan kala paidia aloi malakes, genikos exo kales entiposeis. Pantos to oti esthanontai ellines opote tous simferei einai o megaliteros laikismos pou exo akousei. Peite mou MIA peristasi, pou to paiksan "kyprioi" eno eprepe na to paiksoune "ellines" logo tou simferontos tous...
δεν είναι συγκεκριμένη περίπτωση, είναι το πως

είμαι Αγγλία πχ, μιλάω με μια Κύπρια.
Αυτή: "Είμαστε ένα έθνος, ένας λαός" κλπ, κλπ. Όποτε η συζήτηση πήγαινε στην Ελλάδα "εσείςστην Ελλάδα αυτό, εσείς εκείνο" συν η λάιτ αποδοκιμασία στη φωνή, όταν μιλούσαμε για τα αρνητικά της Ελλάδας. Όταν εγώ μιλάω για την Κρήτη πχ, δε λέω σε Κρητικό "εσείς", λέω "στην Κρήτη" ή δεν ξέρω τι άλλο, δε διαχωρίζω τη θέση μου.
Επίσης το αποκορύφωμα ήταν που ήθελε πόλεμο με την Τουρκία και όταν τη ρώτησα πως θα τα βγάλουν πέρα 700 χιλιάδες άτομα εναντίον 80 εκατομμυρίων, απάντησε φυσικότατα, ότι θα βοηθήσει η Ελλάδα...

novembrine
24-05-2005, 04:37
tha xasoun, oi tourkoi exoun pio polla ntoufekia..













ELEOS!!! :lol:

@Vic thumbs up

The Nerd
24-05-2005, 09:00
Nerd eisai o klassikos o Ellhnas o malakas omws. Epeidh exeis mia asxhmh apopsh gia tous Kyprious pou gnwrises, ksafnika den einai Ellhnes, den prepei na mpainoun sta panepisthmia klp.


:moutza: Ke Gewrgioy.



OPWS PANTA, oi Ellhnares prepei na plakwnontai metaksy tous, kai ayto paei kai stis dyo plevres, kai stous Elladites kai tous Kyprious. Amfoteroi einai ta klassika provata, thymata ths politikhs diairei kai vasileve, eidika o Nerd den perimena pote na faei to xapi toso eykola.


Poios omws dhmioyrgei ayth thn politikh kai me ti symferon?



Safestata yparxoun malakes Kyprioi. Safestata yparxoun malakes Elladites. Safestata yparxoun malakes Ellhnes. Tromerh anakalypsh.


...



Sthn Agglia gnwrisa para pollous. Oi pio polloi htan malakes. Katse na sou pw kai to allo to wraio omws. Gnwrisa pollous Elladites epishs. Oi pio polloi htan malakes. Symperasma. Oi perissoteroi Ellhnes einai malakes. To kalytero paidi pou gnwrisa htan Kyprios. THEOS. Pio kalh kardia apo opoiondhpote gnwrisa sthn Agglia. Mia xara gennaiodwro paidi, otan arrwsthsa asxhma kathotan kai mou eftiaxne kotosoupa! Apo thn Pafo, paidi aplo alla eksw kardia...


Kai egw exw gnwrisei kyprioys kala paidia, den exei na kanei kati. Kai oi nazi merikoi htan poly kala paidia, oi nazi omws htan kala paidia?



Gia agwnes kai Krhth ta akouw verese. Esy Nerd me poio dikaiwma oikeiopoihsai tous agwnes twn palaioterwn Ellhnwn? Mhpws h shmerinh genia sou kanei gia hrwikh kai antrikia? Gia ton agwna ths EOKA exeis akousei katholou?


Poios oikeiopoih8hke ti? Epishs, sth shmerinh genia anoikeis kai esy an den apatwmai. Kati gia enan Xith elladith exw akoysei poy phge sthn kypro exw akoysei.



Genikws gia thn newterh istoria ths Kyprou tha prepei prwta na melethseis kala tis phges, na psakseis ti rolo epaikse o Makarios kai na deis poion synefere telika h Kypros na ginei aneksarthto kratos kai oxi na prosartithei sthn Ellada.


Den eipame "enwsh" kai kala, mhn diastrevlwneis ta legomena moy, apla oi kyprioi den exoyn team spirit, einai ayto poy poly swsta e8ese to allo to palhkaraki "Ellhnes otan toys symferei", to opoio fainomeno parathreitai kai se alloys laoys (Germana - Aystriaka). Emeis trexoyme gia thn parth toys, aytoi tre3ane pote gia mas?



Gia ta 200mX, den sxoliazw kan.




Gia ta ellhnika panepisthmia kala kanoun, tous dinoun thn eykairia san Ellhnes na mpoun se ellhnika panepisthmia, parolo pou kapoioi thelisan nte kai kala na tous symperiferthoun san kseno kratos.


Thn eykairia epi isois orois NAI
Thn eykairia mpate skyloi aleste OXI




To xeirotero omws einai oti kai polloi Kyprioi kai polloi Elladites exoun tsimphsei to dolwma kai thn exoun dei alla krath.


Gia 2h fora
Dolwma apo poion?



Sthn telikh, fantazomai NErd oti oi Kyprioi den einai oi monoi Ellhnes pou exeis akousei na tous lene malakes? Kai tous Peloponnhsious exw akousei na tous lene etsi, kai tous Krhtikous kai tous Hpeirwtes kai ola. Eimaste experts sto na vgazoume o enas to mati tou allou. Sygxarhthria pou threis thn paradosh.
Ayta.-


Den to 3ekinhsa egw to mpineliki, egw apla parathrhsa oti h sxesh einai asymmetrh, gia to opoio to mono on-topic post apo ellhnokyprio elege oti htan swsto.

Medusa
24-05-2005, 09:27
oi kyprioi den exoyn team spirit, einai ayto poy poly swsta e8ese to allo to palhkaraki "Ellhnes otan toys symferei", to opoio fainomeno parathreitai kai se alloys laoys (Germana - Aystriaka). Emeis trexoyme gia thn parth toys, aytoi tre3ane pote gia mas?

Swsto epishs. mia kypros sto pleyro ths Elladas einai anekdoto.

Pantws mhn aporoume pou den exoun team spirit oi nees genies. megalwsan me xrhmata se ena aytonomo (apo thn Ellada) kratos me entono ton kseno politiko yperbatismo.
EInai logiko na lene "eseis" otan apey8ynontai stous Elladites (ti asxhmh leksh, telos pantwn).

Epishs exw akousei na lene kyprioi oti niw8oun prodomenoi apo thn Ellada giati tote o Karamanlhs den ekane tipota me ta episodeia alla perioristhke na apanthsei "H Kypros einai makria"...

Einai enas faylos kyklos.

katwrimos
24-05-2005, 13:26
Osoi kyprioi exo gnorisei ego aisthanontai ellines. Aloi itan kala paidia aloi malakes, genikos exo kales entiposeis. Pantos to oti esthanontai ellines opote tous simferei einai o megaliteros laikismos pou exo akousei. Peite mou MIA peristasi, pou to paiksan "kyprioi" eno eprepe na to paiksoune "ellines" logo tou simferontos tous...
δεν είναι συγκεκριμένη περίπτωση, είναι το πως

είμαι Αγγλία πχ, μιλάω με μια Κύπρια.
Αυτή: "Είμαστε ένα έθνος, ένας λαός" κλπ, κλπ. Όποτε η συζήτηση πήγαινε στην Ελλάδα "εσείςστην Ελλάδα αυτό, εσείς εκείνο" συν η λάιτ αποδοκιμασία στη φωνή, όταν μιλούσαμε για τα αρνητικά της Ελλάδας. Όταν εγώ μιλάω για την Κρήτη πχ, δε λέω σε Κρητικό "εσείς", λέω "στην Κρήτη" ή δεν ξέρω τι άλλο, δε διαχωρίζω τη θέση μου.
Επίσης το αποκορύφωμα ήταν που ήθελε πόλεμο με την Τουρκία και όταν τη ρώτησα πως θα τα βγάλουν πέρα 700 χιλιάδες άτομα εναντίον 80 εκατομμυρίων, απάντησε φυσικότατα, ότι θα βοηθήσει η Ελλάδα...

ego rotisa mia periptosi pou edrasan etsi OI KIPRIOI OS KRATOS, oxi pos skeftetai i ilithia simfititria sou... Ama piasoume ta paradeigmata exo na sou eanafero POLY XEIROTERA apo kritikous, thessalonikious, kerkyraious klp :)

enitharmon
24-05-2005, 13:55
χμ, υπήρξαν περιπτώσεις που η Κύπρος θα μπορούσε νε είχε βοηθήσει σε κάτι;

Medusa
24-05-2005, 17:17
nai.
8a mporouse na zhtouse proswpiko apo Ellada na apasxolhsei sta ksenodoxeia ths kai oxi Agglous. An einai dynaton.

Eleos.

silencerius
25-05-2005, 01:29
Πωπω ναι αυτό με τον κιμά γάμαγε. Δεν θυμάμαι πως το έλεγαν ρε γαμώτο.

koupes

(kai apeires posotites lemoniou bebaiws alliws de leei mia)

edit: molis eida oti apantithike hdh, soz

silencerius
25-05-2005, 01:32
a episis to oti oi kyprioi pou pernane ellada einai xamilou epipedou einai FACT. oi kaloi pianoun tis vaseis twn AEI tis xwras tous kai kathontai ekei.


kaneis TERASTIO lathos.
oi kaliteroi tous erxontai Ellada kai spoudazoun giatroi.

twra to oti einai xamilou epipedo de mporw na katalabw pws to simperaineis.

silencerius
25-05-2005, 01:51
είμαι Αγγλία πχ, μιλάω με μια Κύπρια.
Αυτή: "Είμαστε ένα έθνος, ένας λαός" κλπ, κλπ. Όποτε η συζήτηση πήγαινε στην Ελλάδα "εσείςστην Ελλάδα αυτό, εσείς εκείνο" συν η λάιτ αποδοκιμασία στη φωνή, όταν μιλούσαμε για τα αρνητικά της Ελλάδας. Όταν εγώ μιλάω για την Κρήτη πχ, δε λέω σε Κρητικό "εσείς", λέω "στην Κρήτη" ή δεν ξέρω τι άλλο, δε διαχωρίζω τη θέση μου.
Επίσης το αποκορύφωμα ήταν που ήθελε πόλεμο με την Τουρκία και όταν τη ρώτησα πως θα τα βγάλουν πέρα 700 χιλιάδες άτομα εναντίον 80 εκατομμυρίων, απάντησε φυσικότατα, ότι θα βοηθήσει η Ελλάδα...

Kala de tha prospathisw na dikaiologisw tin Kypria kopela pou milouses, pantws ama den hsoun prokateilimeni (estw kai ligo an eisai) tha ta blepes diaforetika ta pragmata.

Par'ola auta tha simfwnisw me katwrimo, an einai na milame me memonwmena paradeigmata exw na sou pw alla tosa gia Elladites.

Vic
25-05-2005, 04:13
Nerd, rwtas poios? Kala, oi agwnes ths EOKA ksereis enantion poianou htan? Gia to symferon, enas pou exei entryfhsei se thewries synomwsias tha eprepe na einai pio ponhremenos.

To paradeigma sou me tous Nazi htan entelws kathysterhmeno kai den to akoumpaw kan. Ektos ki an oi Nazi htan ethnos kai den to iksera...

Kai egw sthn nea genia eimai, egw omws den vgainw na pw oti "eseis oi Kyprioi eiste kotes, enw emeis gamhsame to '21 kai to '40", dioti den exw kamia sxesh. Allwste an thymamai kala, oi teleytaioi nekroi apo Tourkous einai apo thn Kypro. Esena oi Solwmou kai Isaak sou kanane gia voutyropaida? Ti shmaia kratagane? Apo symferon mhpws?

Na se rwthsw kati to opoio thelw aplws na mou apanthseis xwris follow up erwthsh, giati den exw oreksh kai kouragio na anoigw terastia istorika topics, exw ena oloklhro evolution thread to opoio kapoia stigmh prepei na ksanapiasw...

Pisteveis oti yparxei sxesh sta gegonota tou 73-74 sthn Ellada kai thn eisvolh sthn Kypro? O Makarios htan ethnarxhs 'h kati allo? O Karamanlhs thn poulhse gia den thn poulhse thn Kypro? Ti stash eprepe na krathsoun oi Kyprioi enanti tou ellhnikou kratous meta apo ayto?

Oso gia thn stash pollwn Kypriwn, exw hdh apanthsei.

The Nerd
25-05-2005, 04:21
Kata twn agglwn tactically. Strathgika omws?
Oso gia 8ewries synomwsias ktl, den shmainei oti epeidh tis diavazw, tis aspazomai kiolas.

To paradeigma me toys nazi apodykneiei oti ama kaneis psaxnei gia kala h kaka stoxeia ta vriskei opoy kai na koita3ei (akyrwnei dhladh aki mena kai sena)

Ti shmaia kratagane den 3erw, o enas phge enantia sta toyrkofasistakia kai efage lostaries (alh8eia, mia parea mhxanakia na pas apo th mia geitonia sthn allh 8a pesei 3yliki, ti perimenan?)
O allos phge na katevasei th shmaia kai ton skotwsan, opws 8a ekane opoiosdhpote stratiwtikos (sad but true). Den toys 3erw proswpika ktl, alla 3erw oti apeires fores exei vgalei h ELDYK to fidi apo thn trypa.

O makarios den htan e8narxhs, h kypros den poylh8hke, giati YPARXEI KAI TO GAMHMENO TO DIE8NES VIEWPOINT, TA PRAGMATA EIXAN MOIRASTEI.

Ti stash eprepe na krathsoyn oi kyprioi? Sigoyra oxi to "Den sas pame alla sas ta pairnoyme" poy dhlwnei to topic ... Den mas goystarete (san kratos?) Ante gamh8eite kai kommena ta paredwse. Mas goystarete? Vgalte to skasmo, oloi kanoyn malakies. Epishs, XWRA TOYS EINAI, oso kai an niw8oyn ellhnes ktl, dikia toys ypoxrewsh na thn yperaspisoyn.

Oso gia th xoynta kai ton panyvlaka ton Iwannidh, den nomizw kai ellada na einai poly sympa8hs (h na 8ewreitai kanas sovaros tespa) etsi, kai mas mas ekapse oyk oliges fores kai apodeixthke poly ligos gia ta kanalia ths diplwmatias, idiaitera apenanti ston "an8ellhna" Kissinger.

[2o edit] Dwse moy se parakalw plhfories gia to ti ennoeis peri karamanlh kai gia to "symferon"

Medusa
25-05-2005, 08:22
oti niw8oun prodomenoi apo thn Ellada giati tote o Karamanlhs den ekane tipota me ta episodeia alla perioristhke na apanthsei "H Kypros einai makria"...
den 3erw an einai anekdoto ths epoxhs, alla mallon den einai an skefteis oti den estalhsan epishmes dynameis sthn kypro otan egine eisbolh oute thn prwth oute th deyterh fora.

ayto profanws ennoei o Vic.

Weiss
25-05-2005, 10:56
Προσωπική μου άποψη, δε θα ήθελα να πολεμήσει κανένας Έλληνας (ή Ελλαδίτης, same thing) για την Κύπρο. Χωρίς άσχημα αισθήματα αυτό. Εκτός αν οι Έλληνες αποφασίσουν ότι θα πολεμούσαν και για την Ιταλία ξέρω'γω και για τα Ηνωμένα Αραβικά Εμιράτα και για όλες τις χώρες. Αν όχι, ούτε για την Κύπρο. Plain and simple.

enitharmon
25-05-2005, 12:04
Ti shmaia kratagane den 3erw, o enas phge enantia sta toyrkofasistakia kai efage lostaries (alh8eia, mia parea mhxanakia na pas apo th mia geitonia sthn allh 8a pesei 3yliki, ti perimenan?)
O allos phge na katevasei th shmaia kai ton skotwsan, opws 8a ekane opoiosdhpote stratiwtikos (sad but true).

freak brother
25-05-2005, 13:59
AMA AISTHANONTE ELLHNES EINAI ELLHNES

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/LOCK

The Nerd
25-05-2005, 14:02
AMA AISTHANONTE ELLHNES EINAI ELLHNES

.-

/LOCK


MPOREIS NA EISAI ELLHNAS TO 50% (STHN KALYTERH E?) TOY XRONOY SOY KAI MH-ELLHNAS STON YPOLOIPO?

Phoebus
25-05-2005, 15:14
Προσωπική μου άποψη, δε θα ήθελα να πολεμήσει κανένας Έλληνας (ή Ελλαδίτης, same thing) για την Κύπρο. Χωρίς άσχημα αισθήματα αυτό. Εκτός αν οι Έλληνες αποφασίσουν ότι θα πολεμούσαν και για την Ιταλία ξέρω'γω και για τα Ηνωμένα Αραβικά Εμιράτα και για όλες τις χώρες. Αν όχι, ούτε για την Κύπρο. Plain and simple.

Ούτε για την Κύπρο, ούτε για την Ελλάδα ούτε για κανέναν if you ask me. Το μεγαλύτερο λάθος του πατριώτη είναι να πιστεύει ότι το έθνος του είναι η προσωποποίηση της Ελευθερίας, της Δημοκρατίας, της Αλληλεγγύης και της Ισότητας... Γι'αυτά πρέπει να πολεμάμε κάθε μέρα με όπλο τον Λόγο, όχι για την "Ελλάδα", την "Κύπρο" κτλ.

Κατά τ'άλλα :pink: επειδή είπες προσωπική άποψη με απλά και όμορφα λόγια.

Phoebus
25-05-2005, 15:19
AMA AISTHANONTE ELLHNES EINAI ELLHNES

.-

/LOCK

Βλακώδες. Ελπίζω να κάνεις χιούμορ :) Αν όχι εξήγησέ μου τι πάει να πει "είμαι Έλληνας" και σε τι διαφοροποείται από το "είμαι Κύπριος" και από το "είμαι άνθρωπος".

Acid Baby
25-05-2005, 15:28
Eίμαι άρρωστος.